All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

Gaddamnit · 02-09-24, 04:57 AM

Collecting ideas for these brokers

Hello mate, for my additional resources any ideas and insights based from your experiences would highly appreciated. What do you think of them

Betfootball
ac88
bookielink
betac
bia

also i’m looking for exchange where i can lay bet particularly in horse racing. If you have any suggestion let me know i’m from canada

Gaddamnit · 01-27-24, 12:37 PM

Have you also heard about bookielink and betfootball?
one of my friend mentioned those to me. Seems they offer various products as well based on their website

SheSMySin · 01-11-24, 11:36 AM

Looking to bet NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB.

It seems at least BetInAsia offer a tiny cashback promotion on turnover, is this just for a while for new customers/long term losers ? Or is more common that other brokers offers some benefits as well. They do have a bit higher fees, like Betfair is 3% when it normally is 2%.

Gaddamnit · 01-09-24, 12:56 PM

Broker that provides best service for Orbitx

Hello mates,

just want to know which broker provides the best service who provides orbitx. I know a lot of broker provides this exchange but as i know they have differences when it comes to processing of payout, exposure limit, customer service etc.

any insight is highly appreciated

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Gaddamnit · 01-09-24, 12:53 PM

Best orbitx exchange provider

Hello mates

just want to know which broker provides the best service who provides orbitx. I know a lot of broker provides this exchange but as i know they have differences when it comes to processing of payout, exposure limit, customer service etc.

any insight is highly appreciated

Gaddamnit · 01-09-24, 12:40 PM

Do you have a particular product that you are looking for, for a broker?

SheSMySin · 01-09-24, 01:34 AM

There are multiple betting brokers, especially for EU customers I have seen:
BetInAsia
Sportmarket
3ET
Asianconnect
PremiumTrading

Are these brokers reliable, any recommendations, which brokers are the best and most trustworthy? I am probably missing some brokers in the list that could be worth trying?

I have tried BetInAsia and Sportmarket, everything gone smoothly so far after a month, but I am kind of worried still, feels there is very little to do if issues arise. There is so many scams nowadays in the field especially with Curacao or similar licenses.
I guess these are more or less safe to use but would not keep any extra balance on them. That said, they have 1 withdraw per month policy, to avoid too much back and forth transactions which is understandable given the transaction fees.

hawkwind · 11-16-23, 02:27 PM

Thx for the update.

arie1985 · 11-16-23, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by Optional

I hope Betfair eventually gets hammered by authorities for using Orbit as their front that allows customers to be scammed without recourse over and again.

Optional is right in a certain way, this could be taken straight against BetFair without having to use Curacao.

Originally posted by Dani83

If there is a good lawyer who can support us, i would be there immediately. This sh** has to stop.

One or more of you need to gather everyone together, online, grab details and then start shooting emails to "Gambling UK Solicitors" you find on Google, could be a short email such as:

Title = Class action against BetFair

Text = Hello, I'm reaching out on behalf of XX users affected by BetFair.
We would like to do this, this and that.
We'd be happy to work on a "no win no fee" basis, the potential for your firm is huge, so would appreciate your consideration.

And then move forward with whoever replies to you, some lawyers would be extremely happy to take on this case, it's just a matter of being active.

Optional · 11-13-23, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Dani83

Hello,

Betfair says they can't help as they don't have any customer data.
You should contact the broker. Always the same crap........

That's not correct. People have given them the account ID from Orbit and been identified by that before.

But good on you for asking anyway.

I hope Betfair eventually gets hammered by authorities for using Orbit as their front that allows customers to be scammed without recourse over and again.

Dani83 · 11-13-23, 11:29 AM

Hello,

Betfair says they can't help as they don't have any customer data.
You should contact the broker. Always the same crap........

Originally posted by Optional

Start with Betfair.

If they hear the same story often enough eventually the hammer will fall on OrbitX to address this properly.

infotimbo · 11-11-23, 08:39 AM

In general, I don't agree that 2FA is useless, by the way. Getting hold of user data is fairly easy: fake login pages (in Orbit's case they even buy the top search results on Google), inside jobs, leaks from other sites, etc. Most people use the same credentials at all bookies anyway.

In a perfect world, sites would automatically block access, but as this is not the case, 2FA can at least somewhat protect you against all of this. Hacking the phone is a different level.

So to get around 2FA, I'd think it either needs a really badly designed website, or its operator to be involved in the fraud.

infotimbo · 11-11-23, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by Optional

I've been told that first hand from victims.

it's the first this comes up, so would be good if those people could post a bit more about it.

If this is indeed the case, it basically would mean that the theft is happening at Orbit Exchange directly. The agents may have the logins, but normally wouldn't be able to access the accounts with 2FA activated.

Nonetheless, they are still to blame for the lack of cooperation, of course. Same as Betfair, who could figure out who the money is passed to within 2 minutes - if they wanted to.

Optional · 11-11-23, 04:26 AM

I've been told that first hand from victims.

infotimbo · 11-11-23, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Yes, they say to users that they know it's their own fault fake bets were placed, as they had 2FA enabled.

where exactly have you read that? Please post more details about that case, if available.

Optional · 11-10-23, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by kursonik

I wonder if any cases of fraud on Orbitxch accounts have occurred on accounts with Two-Factor Authentication login

Yes, they say to users that they know it's their own fault fake bets were placed, as they had 2FA enabled.

2FA is used to scam you and avoid responsibility by bad companies.

Optional · 11-10-23, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by infotimbo

would be interesting to know indeed, and also what exactly "recently" means. Personally I hadn't seen complaints anymore since 2FA was introduced

edit: just saw on another forum that this happened at the end of October, so very recently, and also found a French tweet reporting the same from 2 weeks ago.

Complaints have not stopped.

Once again 2FA is simply being used to shift blame on to customers. And showing how it does not even protect people. Just need an insider to steal and use the "you had 2FA enabled so its impossible for anyone to hack in unless its your own fault now" excuse, and your EFFED!

2FA is a total scam. Don't use companies who force you to use that crap. Being forced = being used as an excuse for their own security problems.

Optional · 11-10-23, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Dani83

If there is a good lawyer who can support us, i would be there immediately. This sh** has to stop.

Start with Betfair.

If they hear the same story often enough eventually the hammer will fall on OrbitX to address this properly.

kursonik · 11-10-23, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Dani83

The 2 factor authentication was not available. The incident happened on October 30th.
They gave me the IP address, but unfortunately that doesn't help much. BET-IBC also wanted my entire browser history. Of course they couldn't find anything

Two-Factor Authentication has been available on Orbitxch for at least several months, regardless of the broker.

I don't even remember if I had any other option than choosing this type of login.
That's why I'm very surprised that you don't have this option.

I wonder if any cases of fraud on Orbitxch accounts have occurred on accounts with Two-Factor Authentication login. If so, it's very likely someone from Orbitxch is involved too.

infotimbo · 11-10-23, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Dani83

The 2 factor authentication was not available. The incident happened on October 30th.

Not at all? That's certainly odd.

Personally I noticed some issues with browser compatibility (on Firefox it needs a hard refresh before login), but no general off time so far.

Dani83 · 11-10-23, 12:11 PM

If there is a good lawyer who can support us, i would be there immediately. This sh** has to stop.

Dani83 · 11-10-23, 11:50 AM

The 2 factor authentication was not available. The incident happened on October 30th.
They gave me the IP address, but unfortunately that doesn't help much. BET-IBC also wanted my entire browser history. Of course they couldn't find anything

Originally posted by kursonik

Do you use Two-Factor Authentication when logging in to Orbitxch?

arie1985 · 11-10-23, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Alfie White

That is wrong action to take I think, Orbit has no clue who the customers are - they never get in touch with them. Everything is handled by Brokers and for that reason action should be taken against Brokers in question (which are also on Curacao from what I recall).

BIA/Scam-IBC should be held accountable.

BetInAsia has a curacao license as well, so they can be sued likewise.
It's best to let a proper Curacao lawyer to handle this, they are extremely knowledgable about the entire industry and they can really change the outcome for these poor players.

Some might even work on a no-win-no-fee basis, because it's a very good case for them to handle in court, I'd seriously suggest for these individuals to somehow come together, or get someone to handle it for everyone, so they can get their stolen money back. It's worth it, and it's the only way to get the money back.

The only other option is to take it somehow against BetFair, but I am not sure how this can be done and if it can be done, as BetFair throws away their responsibility, so once again using Curacao is probably the best way forward. From my experience it does change things, and does force the companies to cooperate or else they won't lose their business but much more. A legal action here is a must.

infotimbo · 11-10-23, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by kursonik

Do you use Two-Factor Authentication when logging in to Orbitxch?

would be interesting to know indeed, and also what exactly "recently" means. Personally I hadn't seen complaints anymore since 2FA was introduced

edit: just saw on another forum that this happened at the end of October, so very recently, and also found a French tweet reporting the same from 2 weeks ago.

InsiderHer · 11-10-23, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by arie1985

Those who were affected by this should sue the license holder of OrbitExchange:

License Validation

https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=www.orbitexch.com&seal_id=a75acf62b87a41f9d7c92cc3c944685c8d7d98ef50f6e6764d9c2ad4d87afb1ae4e3e6ca87403c247b6888f5d0ef0e2b&stamp=4836e9fa79cbf029aec04181aaa16e92

By suing the license holder 8048/JAZ then Orbit would be forced to compensate the users or risk losing its license which effectively would shut down its business, and open it for criminal activity lawsuits and more, so it's in their best interest to avoid it.

It's best if all the users mentioned in these examples above, could come together, using a local lawyer in Curacao. I know one who helped me with a case once, but feel free to look around, I'm sure any local Curacao lawyer would love taking as many clients as possible, turn it to a class action, as Optional you suggested in one of these threads, and then get justice once and for all for all the poor users who lost money from these unscrupulous practices.

Optional, can you contact the users and ask them to come together? I seriously mean it, I love it when justice is served.
If this happens it could also shake the Curacao licensing system, there are up to 5-7 years I think to file, so the users involved should get together and use the court system in Curacao.

Without a legal action nothing would change, the only way to "communicate" with these scammers is via a legal action, and I'm talking from experience.

So much for your "licensed sportsbooks is the way to go" speech, lol

kursonik · 11-10-23, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Dani83

Hello,The same crap happened to me recently at BET-IBC. Some cricket bets were placed in my absence. Of course they say the blame lies with me......phishing sites or password sharing. What are the possibilities? I would be happy to receive some information.

Do you use Two-Factor Authentication when logging in to Orbitxch?

Alfie White · 11-10-23, 05:47 AM

That is wrong action to take I think, Orbit has no clue who the customers are - they never get in touch with them. Everything is handled by Brokers and for that reason action should be taken against Brokers in question (which are also on Curacao from what I recall).

BIA/Scam-IBC should be held accountable.

arie1985 · 11-10-23, 04:27 AM

Those who were affected by this should sue the license holder of OrbitExchange:

License Validation

https://validator.antillephone.com/validate?domain=www.orbitexch.com&seal_id=a75acf62b87a41f9d7c92cc3c944685c8d7d98ef50f6e6764d9c2ad4d87afb1ae4e3e6ca87403c247b6888f5d0ef0e2b&stamp=4836e9fa79cbf029aec04181aaa16e92

By suing the license holder 8048/JAZ then Orbit would be forced to compensate the users or risk losing its license which effectively would shut down its business, and open it for criminal activity lawsuits and more, so it's in their best interest to avoid it.

It's best if all the users mentioned in these examples above, could come together, using a local lawyer in Curacao. I know one who helped me with a case once, but feel free to look around, I'm sure any local Curacao lawyer would love taking as many clients as possible, turn it to a class action, as Optional you suggested in one of these threads, and then get justice once and for all for all the poor users who lost money from these unscrupulous practices.

Optional, can you contact the users and ask them to come together? I seriously mean it, I love it when justice is served.
If this happens it could also shake the Curacao licensing system, there are up to 5-7 years I think to file, so the users involved should get together and use the court system in Curacao.

Without a legal action nothing would change, the only way to "communicate" with these scammers is via a legal action, and I'm talking from experience.

Dani83 · 11-09-23, 03:15 PM

I can try, but I doubt it will help. Then something is wrong with Orbitx? Several agents are affected such as Betinasia, Asiaconnect etc.

Originally posted by Optional

Unfortunately, you are one of dozens OrbitX are involved in stealing from.

They wont help anyone.

My advice is always report Orbit to Betfair as a rouge partner and ask if they will help you.

Enough complaints might see Belfair punishing them and compensating victims.

Optional · 11-09-23, 03:13 PM

Warning - OrbitX - Betinasia - Bet-IBC SCAM ALERT

OrbitX victims please see this thread -> Warning - OrbitX - Betinasia - Bet-IBC SCAM ALERT

Optional · 11-09-23, 03:11 PM

Warning - OrbitX - Betinasia - Bet-IBC SCAM ALERT

SBR users continue to be scammed by these rouge Betfair partners.

Today we see yet another report of fake losing cricket bets added to an OrbitX account to drain the balance and as always, the broker acting like this is unknown to them and is the customers fault.

EVERYONE IN THE INDUSTRY KNOWS ABOUT THIS. Do not let them lie to you or make you think that they really think you are at fault.

If you get ripped off, complain to Betfair about their partner OrbitX or the scammy broker who is lying to you that they think it's your fault.

I want to share something. The owner of Betinasia reached out to me a month or two ago acting ignorant and wanting to know why I would think that Betinasia and OrbitX have been scamming many people.

I am going to post my response to him as he never responded even after reaching out to me for a conversation.

DO NOT BE TRICKED. THE BROKER INDUSTRY AND ORBITX ARE A BROKEN SYSTEM. DON"T TELL ANYONE TO USE THEM ANYMORE. TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VICTIMIZED NOW.

Reply to Betinasia owner asking why SBR would think they are a scam; (no response ever came back)

The opinion comes after many attempts to reach out to you to help both yourselves and users resolve problems with BetInAsia accounts being drained, and getting stonewalled or ignored or simply given nonsense responses from your staff.

There have been way too many complaints about balances going missing from your account holders who are then given no respect or assistance to investigate or properly resolve the issue. It became very obvious over time that BIA are involved in draining customer accounts or covering up the issue.

To seriously try to tell me Betinasia has never had a problem in 10 years tells me you are probably no less of a waste of time to talk to as your customers have found your staff over many years. Do you really believe that?? There is little point to a conversation if you do. Please educate yourself about your own company before wasting my time trying to "discuss" anything.

If you want to know any specifics, you are welcome to use the forum search function. Here are a few threads to get you started;

Sportsbook Review Forum

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3710007-violated-orbit-account.html

Sportsbook Review Forum

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3720440-warning-orbitxch-betinasia-7000-lost.html

Sportsbook Review Forum

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3726942-betinasia-bank-transfer-disappeared.html

Sportsbook Review Forum

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3707169-betinasia-closed-my-account-stole-my-eur-13-650-a.html

Orbit paid out 2k euros without my knowledge to an account known only to them - Sportsbook Review Forum

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3668566-orbit-paid-out-2k-euros-without-my-knowledge-account-known-only-them.html