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[Alfie White]

I would argue that you have no clue what you talk about Maikiti, you joined basically yesterday and some users here have 5+ years experience in certain brokers' wrongdoings. Thus, your opinion might be valid, but doesn't carry too much weight.

[Maikiti]

I will consider your opinion as valid, but based on my reviews and research from people using both mentioned agents, as well as a few others, PremiumTradings and Betinasa are not scammers. The bigger concern lies with the group of brokers and bookmakers/tools under the umbrella of Bet-Ibc.However, you are absolutely correct about the overall reliability of these agents. One should exercise caution and consider them only as a last resort

[Optional]

And how they proved themselves as a scammers?

Multiple complaint cases and threads on here where accounts have obviously been drained and they refuse ANY assistance and treat the customer like they are criminal and some sort of idiot.

They were given the opportunity to explain themselves multiple times but reacted to all attempts at ADR mediation just like we would expect scamming thieves to.

Do not even talk about Betinasia on SBR unless it's to warn people away.


Same for PremiumTradings. Banned from discussion as another scam outfit. The entire agent system is broken and none of them can be fully trusted anymore IMHO.

[craftbrewer]

Trustpilot is not a good indicator. Almost all brokers and bookmakers have a very low rating on Trustpilot. For example, Betfair rating is just 1.4 on Trustpilot. So If I trusted Trustpilot rating, I would think Betfair is a scam according to Trustpilot.

[Maikiti]

That's a lot of negativity, in the arb forum I saw more problems with the D/W. Seems they are lacking professionalism last few month. It seems they have been lacking professionalism in the last few months.

[povis]

Not great reviews for Betinasia https://www.trustpilot.com/review/betinasia.com

[Maikiti]

And how they proved themselves as a scammers?

[acltear]

Is Asian Connect recommended? Any other brokers?

[Optional]

I think betting only with the Betinasia Black platform (mollybet) is much safer.

Betinasia are proven scammers. Over and again.

Do not recommend them on SBR ever again please.

[randomuser]

I think betting only with the Betinasia Black platform (mollybet) is much safer.

[craftbrewer]

This thread is old.

These brokers can no longer be trusted.

Quite a few threads on here describing how users have had their OrbitX accounts drained and Betinasia in particular will not help users and appear to be involved in the scam themselves.

I don't know if it is just a coincidence or not, but after Orbit finally added 2-step authentication a couple of months ago, there is no more new cricket fake bets complaints on Orbit accounts.

[Alfie White]

Sportmarket is still spotless, not a single complaint of any sort I've seen online. Betinasia on the other hand... oh boy.

[Optional]

what amount to be considerable a high roller?

This thread is old.

These brokers can no longer be trusted.

Quite a few threads on here describing how users have had their OrbitX accounts drained and Betinasia in particular will not help users and appear to be involved in the scam themselves.

[Namtambo]

what amount to be considerable a high roller?

Both are safe, sportmarket are better but are made to a more high roller bettor, they will charge for deposit/withdrawal.
Betinasia are more from small bettor you can open a mollybet for only 100€, no deposit/ withdrawal fees, pretty sure that they cut the odds by 0.02 margin.
The platform is basically the same mollybet.
Personal I prefer sportmarket

[tristello]

Good news: after some days BetinAsia transfered money to my account :-)

[tristello]

I will try. Keep you posted

[Optional]

It was a post pay bank transfer. I don't know if Poste Italiane permit to revoke the transfer. And it is 20 days now, do you think I can ask to revoke after so many days? I tried mailing them asking for help... :-(

If it was a wire transfer, then 20 days is fine I am sure.

I'd get on the phone with them Tristello. They can do it for you and this is the exact situation revokes are designed for.

[tristello]

It was a post pay bank transfer. I don't know if Poste Italiane permit to revoke the transfer. And it is 20 days now, do you think I can ask to revoke after so many days? I tried mailing them asking for help... :-(

[Alfie White]

Since you are the remitter, you have every right to do what Opti said - you can revoke the transfer and/or you can ask for trace of the transfer. Regardless, if they said that word-for-word, that is bet-ibc level of customer support lol.

[Optional]

Another dodgy BetInAsia report of missing funds.


Using a broker as a US resident is now as risky as playing the shell game with a street hustler.

[Optional]

Ask your bank to revoke it?

BetInAsia has produced a constant flow of accusations that they have added fake bets and stolen funds for the last 12 months or so.


Scam operation now imho.

[tristello]

BetInAsia: A bank transfer DISAPPEARED

This is my nightmare with BetInAsia:

I have been an honest customer for many months, and I had no prob with them till now.
2 weeks ago I decided to deposit EUR 2025 and, as usual, I sent a bank transfer to the IBAN indicated on their site.
They mailed to me that in 2-5 working days my money will be in my account.
Now two weeks passed , and my money is DISAPPEARED.
They refuse to transfer the money to my account or to send back the money to my bank.
I have all proof that money was sent and arrived to their bank.
I have chatted and mailed one thousand times, but always the same answer:
“we have big trafic, as soon as our bank will notify us your money we will transfer it to your account. We are not responsable for third part (the bank) behaviour”.
Are you joking? What the bank you choose does is under your complete responsability, you have choosen them, not me.
So I write this post hoping that someone can help me to recover my money (it is a very big amount of money for me). Someone has the contact of a betinasia manager? Chatting with young people of the support is totally unuseful, the say what their boss tell them to say: wait wait wait your money is safe. But I know that my money is not safe, my money is DISAPPEARED, and we are not speaking about betting on fixed match or arbitrage…. IT IS A BANK TRANSFER THAT DISAPPEARED AT ALL
I am destroyed…. Ty for reading my post and please be aware of sending money to this broker….

[Shifty]

What's the deal with 4casters.io? They take your info and put you on a waiting list? You can't look at their prices or liquidity? Doesn't smell right.

Someone I respect told me they've had payout issues. Never considered them after that.

[bookie]

What's the deal with 4casters.io? They take your info and put you on a waiting list? You can't look at their prices or liquidity? Doesn't smell right.

[Optional]

Did something change regarding Americans (idk, new law or something)? Seems like a year ago there were multiple places that at least looked the other way.

20+ US states enacting laws that are enforcable to regulate sports betting is one big thing that has changed.

Unless you are a 100% non-American and never want to go there or to any country that is a close ally of them, then you probably don't want to just ignore all those state's laws like brokers used to.

[GipRock]

4casters.io

very good for US sports, you may need an agent for it

[MeanPeopleSuck]

Dont even try it. Any broker accepting US bettors is a red flag already.

Did something change regarding Americans (idk, new law or something)? Seems like a year ago there were multiple places that at least looked the other way.

[ouzoun]

Dont even try it. Any broker accepting US bettors is a red flag already.

[Optional]

Well welcome back but I don't think you are that easy to forget

There are others around here that still use brokers. I'll leave any tips and recommendations to them.

[MeanPeopleSuck]

Hey, awesome to see you again, Optional! Before I posted I figured the line on 'will Opti be the first to reply?' was even money.

Quick follow-up: if I did chance OrbitX, any recommendations on which bet broker to approach and/or which country my VPN should be out of? I can't remember exactly -- gettin' old, I figure -- but are there maybe a couple brokers with "Asia" in their names or something(?)

In any case, thanks very much and again, great to hear from you! (I figured the line of 'will anyone at SBR remember me?' at No -200, so you're an odds defying phenom!)

[Optional]

A lot of weird problem reports with OrbitX since you were last around here MPS.

Too many people have had their accounts drained and OrbitX actively covers it up and does not help them at all.

On my personal Balck List now. Never to be trusted again.

[MeanPeopleSuck]

Bet Broker Recommendations for a US based player?

Hi, guys. I'm an American looking for a bet broker to access Betfair's white label exchange (is it still Orbitx?)

I think I've got two questions:

1. Do any brokers allow US players? If not, are there any VPN workarounds that can get me hooked up with someone? (For my last account at odsy88, I had to represent as VPN-Canadian).

2. Are any brokers these days getting decent reviews from players, or flip side, are there any I should absolutely avoid?

Thanks very much for your time!

[ArAnah]

Maybe PS3838 only has agents who did not do stuff like that.

thanks for info, and I wanna ask you , where you find them ?

[Optional]

can't say for certain, but it seems like they have a different kind of white lable deal. As far as I know, when using Ps3838, the brokers have the options to either offer full Pinnacle limits to their customers (but take 50% risk themselves), or offer 50% limits only (with pinnacle taking full risk). Most opt for the latter.

That second option doesn't seem to exist on Piwi, so I guess the agent needs to take risk, meaning a winning account always causes losses for them.

I think the forced risk share came about when brokers were diverting losing accounts to a platform taking all the risk and leaving winners on the official platform with shared or no broker risk.

Maybe PS3838 only has agents who did not do stuff like that.

[infotimbo]

Didn't realize they operated so differently. I was up a decent number on ps3838, but since they switched to piwi I'm in the red overall. Guess I need to start looking for a new broker as having access to pinnacle is pretty vital.

can't say for certain, but it seems like they have a different kind of white lable deal. As far as I know, when using Ps3838, the brokers have the options to either offer full Pinnacle limits to their customers (but take 50% risk themselves), or offer 50% limits only (with pinnacle taking full risk). Most opt for the latter.

That second option doesn't seem to exist on Piwi, so I guess the agent needs to take risk, meaning a winning account always causes losses for them.