All Broker, Agent and Offshore Exchange Issues

[Poisec]

OrbitX have been recommending bet-football as their "preferred" agent for years.

Yes, I wonder what it means IMO very possible they are the same people.

Although I never used bet-football, I once contacted their customer service to ask what is the maximum stake on Orbtix, they said there is none other than the liquidity of the betting exchange markets. I was surprised so I asked a confirmation of that, telling them Asianconnect and BetinAsia have a maximum stake policy set at 3000 euros (while with Brokerstorm it is 1500 euros), and they double confirmed there is no limit on stakes. This confirms my guess they are Orbitx, but of course this is only speculation.

[Optional]

And behind Orbitx is probably bet-football ? Looks like it.

OrbitX have been recommending bet-football as their "preferred" agent for years.

[Poisec]

I couldn't find any information about problems with Orbitx via Asianconnect anywhere. But I've heard/read about issues via Betinasia and Brokerstorm.

To me it looks like an internal problem in ... Orbitx.

And behind Orbitx is probably bet-football ? Looks like it.

[kursonik]

I couldn't find any information about problems with Orbitx via Asianconnect anywhere. But I've heard/read about issues via Betinasia and Brokerstorm.

To me it looks like an internal problem in ... Orbitx.

[Maikiti]

Betinasia and Asianconnect seems to have problematic orbit accounts. Interesting why only these two had issue with orbit despite the fact all betting broker has the same Orbit account provider.

[yellowstorm21]

@yellowstone21 mentioned the same in his thread, didn't he?

How would this work, though? Can we be sure that the agent has full access to all IPs, or would they need to request them from Orbit before themselves? Because, tbh, whoever of the two didn't forward them is likely the one to blame for this, I'd say. And not as an inside job then, but on high level.

exactly the same happened to me!

[infotimbo]

GPDR request to get the Ips -> bia sends IP logs exactly outside the relevant time period

@yellowstone21 mentioned the same in his thread, didn't he?

How would this work, though? Can we be sure that the agent has full access to all IPs, or would they need to request them from Orbit before themselves? Because, tbh, whoever of the two didn't forward them is likely the one to blame for this, I'd say. And not as an inside job then, but on high level.

[infotimbo]

What happened here is position taking revenue, I can say that with >95% certainty. Why I am that certain? Because of the paragraph above, if it was funds passing, the odds would be way out of line for the market and it would be "easy" to pass funds in that manner - there is a lot of "stale" markets where you can do that, but nowadays BF is smart and is catching all of those guys who try it. Since this wasn't the case here, that means that someone simply wanted to "lose" all the funds from the OPs account.
We have 2 potential options, 1 - some random guy got into OPs account and wanted to make damage (<5% chance), or; 2 - BIA increased the PT% on the account, placed bets until everything was lost and subsequently generated revenue on their "agent" account.

From what we have seen so far on the forums all over the place, PT can range from 50 to 80% on OX accounts (bigger liquidity displayed in comparison to BF). With that all in mind, that is why I mean it might be inside job, or BIA job.

it can be 1000% even. I've had 10 times the normal liquidity for a short while before.

tbh, I don't quite see (yet?) how this is supposed to be a major factor in those cases, though. As far as I understood, the agent needs to cover the difference, so how would it lead to them benefitting when transferring money from A to B?

[Optional]

Sounds logical Alfie.

Betinasia do seem like the ones to benefit most. And I wasn't aware of them supplying IP lists with gaps at the relevant times. Thats pretty damning.

But OrbitX must be in cahoots to not expose the IP trickery, as they have been asked to help with tracing the user many times too.



But IMHO, Betfair needs to held to account as well. Just because tehy ask a criminal to act as front man for their service should not shield them from accountability.

[Alfie White]

True on that, I used harsh wording - but predominantly BIA is in these conversations where funds miraculously disappear from OX accounts via random Cricket bets.

Since these bets are "in line" with the market ranges (they are not significantly above or below the market price), they will not be constituted as potential funds passing incident and will not be investigated. Every party (BF/OX) will say those are "normal bets", which in general they are, when it comes to simple glance over the bets themselves.

What happened here is position taking revenue, I can say that with >95% certainty. Why I am that certain? Because of the paragraph above, if it was funds passing, the odds would be way out of line for the market and it would be "easy" to pass funds in that manner - there is a lot of "stale" markets where you can do that, but nowadays BF is smart and is catching all of those guys who try it. Since this wasn't the case here, that means that someone simply wanted to "lose" all the funds from the OPs account.

We have 2 potential options, 1 - some random guy got into OPs account and wanted to make damage (<5% chance), or; 2 - BIA increased the PT% on the account, placed bets until everything was lost and subsequently generated revenue on their "agent" account.

From what we have seen so far on the forums all over the place, PT can range from 50 to 80% on OX accounts (bigger liquidity displayed in comparison to BF). With that all in mind, that is why I mean it might be inside job, or BIA job.

Proof for me that it might be BIA job is the fact that they always delivered the IP addresses on request, but they were always "missing" the IPs in the period when the incident happened, which is impossible and they are hiding something.

BF is providing their liquidity to OX and they see only 1 trading account there. BF has 0 clue about the customers from OX and as such they will not honour any request any 3rd party makes. OX doesn't have a registration page and is only working trough agencies, so they also don't know who is the customer and they don't hold any data on the customer apart from the username and they have no reason to discuss anything with any 3rd party.

This leaves us with BIA, who has all the information about the customer, access to "agent" panel, ability to do whatever they want and get away with it since they are at Curacao, Mickey Mouse licensing and they can manipulate whichever data they want (not sending IPs for several customers now) and get away with it.

Good thing here is that they have a Cyprus base as well and I would hit them there with GDPR Complaint. Hard.

[Optional]

I don't think it is only BIA Alfie.

And Betfair cannot build a wall against accountability by offering a white label service.

Attacking them via their licenses jurisdictions all over would get some action I bet.

When I was authorized to advocate for these grey market operators, we got action from Betfair working with affected people.


GPDR action via Cyprus sounds like a good angle. It might be possible to find a lawyer there willing to take case on contingency if a few victims are willing.

[Alfie White]

You should focus all your power in chasing BIA for this - they are responsible for your account and they have Cyprus address. So fire all cylinders, contact a lawyer and request ALL data as per GDPR (including those IPs in that time period) and they will have to oblige. If they don't, your lawyer will have a good payday for that GDPR case.

Betfair has built a wall, you cannot do anything against them. OX is service provider, you are not their client, you are only using their services. Legal ladder here starts from BIA.

Also, Opti, make note how this ONLY happens with BIA, they are the ones to be held accountable imo.

[Optional]

This must be over 20 examples of the exact same BS now.


It's an exchange. Betfair can reverse activity.

And OrbitX needs to be accountable. And Betfair needs to be accountable for their rouge partner.



Betinasia seems to come up as the agent involved way too often as well.

Both need to be blackballed.

A class action suit against Betfair would also be good to see happen if it were possible.

[raiton]

Warning Orbitxch / BetInAsia 7000€ lost

Hello all,
I think the whole thing deserves its own thread, because it is now quite escalating and it may so reach one or the other.
In the night from 04. to 05.01.2023 between 02:08 to 08:07 someone used my Orbitxch account to place 34 bets on three different cricket matches.
I have never bet on a single cricket match in my entire betting career and I don't understand exactly what kind of bets are involved, maybe someone can help?
This was so-called "funds passing" to move the money in my account to another account, in total there was a loss of almost 7000€.I noticed the whole thing the following day and of course immediately wrote an email to my betting broker betinasia.
After "in-depth" investigation by them for which they took several weeks is now my own fault, I would have quite obviously used a phising site and thus compromised my login data myself.

I have been playing at Orbitxch since 2019 and have been using a password manager for years on both my PC and my cell phone, where I use 30-character passwords and where the correct URL is stored.So if I had accidentally used a phishing site, then the password manager would not have worked at all and by hand I would never have entered such a long password myself.....
On my part, there is no response to queries/enquiries as to whether Orbitxch/Betfair has already been contacted or at least to send me the IP logs of the corresponding period, but the same text modules are always sent. Very obliging from a "trustworthy" betting broker after losing almost 7000€.I can't understand why betinasia is acting like this. It should be possible to find out which account has profited from these bets during the time in question. I can hardly imagine that single bets of over 6000€ on women's cricket matches in New Zealand are normal .

Why did I write the whole thing?
In the meantime, I am already aware of 10 identical cases, the damage now easily exceeds 20000 €. You can easily find some of them via internet search.
What was already tried by me and also other people that were damaged:
Contacting Betfair, the provider of Orbitxch -> "not responsible".
Contacting Orbit -> no feedback
GPDR request to get the Ips -> bia sends IP logs exactly outside the relevant time period
Contacting different licensing authorities (Ecogra,IBAS) -> not responsible for Orbit

My own feeling is that the whole thing stinks to high heaven, if you believe a user in antoher thread of the SBR forum he himself was affected by a similar case from 3 years ago, after which an employee of bia himself bagged the money.

I can only appeal to be careful with your money when you use the exchange. In case of an emergency the money is gone and you can't expect any help from Orbit, bia and Betfair.

[weeminer]

Already got that done. He had no problems getting a new account.

[Moneygreen]

I moved my balance from odsy to piwi on christmas and been betting fine ever since. Haven't done any withdraws yet though. Will probably try to do one today since I have a very large balance with them.

My friend wanted to sign up with them from the US, does anyone know if they will take new US customers?

Maybe you can ask bianca's help for your friend to open piwi247 account.
She messaged me today on telegram that she is now back working with piwi247

[Moneygreen]

Maybe you can ask bianca's help for your friend to open piwi247 account.
She messaged me today on telegram that she is now back working with piwi247

[weeminer]

Update: Went through KYC again, even though I did it previously though Odyssey. They asked for quite a bit of stuff, but nothing out of the norm.

Was verified and today made a 1btc withdraw, so around $23,000 usd, and was paid very quickly.

I preferred the old ps3838 website, as piwi logs me out all the time and I still can't use Europe view on their sports section. But otherwise feel very good about the service and comfortable keeping a decent sized balance with them.

[Camma23]

hi guys, answering to this old 3d to bring it up instead of creating a new one.

I'm looking for an asian broker offering Skype betting operating till late evening / night. My actual one grants the service till more or less 07.30 PM EU timezone. I'd need it till 11 or 12 PM, at least to cover night matches and partially South America leagues.

Already tried BetInAsia but they have very limited resources on small leagues... so it's quite useless

Do you suggest any other trustable option with a decent working time for an EU resident? thanks

[yellowstorm21]

Response of BIA has been abysmal so far. Please contact me via PM so we can work together on a solution of this.

hi
I have sent you a PM.

[raiton]

Response of BIA has been abysmal so far. Please contact me via PM so we can work together on a solution of this.

[yellowstorm21]

I have been "hacked" in Orbit too, beginning of December. 5600 Euro. I am one of the guys he is speaking about in the German youtube video. I am from Austria. Registe
red via brokerstorm. Just text me, there seem to be a lot of cases. OrbitX is not helping at all to get the money back. I also never entered a password at a phising website. I have been customer for about 10 years there, never had this problem. So let's get together and do something about it together.

Please all who were scammed contact me via PM. I cannot because I don't have 40 postinngs

hello my friend
I have sent you a PM.

[Namtambo]

Thanks ...

No, they never limit you. Because they are not a bookmaker and don't take positions. They make their money on turnover.

[Optional]

are you mean to orbitx or specifce broker?

I mean Orbit Exchange

[blackf1re]

can you get limited on Sportmarket PRO if you are winning a lot?

No, they never limit you. Because they are not a bookmaker and don't take positions. They make their money on turnover.

[Namtambo]

can you get limited on Sportmarket PRO if you are winning a lot?

[blackf1re]

Sportmarket PRO are by far the best imho. I've been using them for close to a decade now and I can't say anything negative about them. Free deposits and withdrawals (one per month), no voided bets and (a very quick to respond) customer support that is available 24/7.

I've attached a screenshot showing the bookies and limits you can expect. They also offer separate Pinnacle (PS3838) and Betfair (FairExchange, 3% commision) accounts.

One thing to be aware of that Pinnacle odds are 0.02 worse on the trading platform. So you should stake directly through PS3838 instead. The only other broker I use is BetInAsia because Sportmarket only recently added the exchange and BIA also gives you 3% Betfair accounts (OrbitX) but I'm probably going to move my remaining money ver to Sportmarket.

https://tinypic.host/images/2023/01/24/sportmarket.jpg

[ahlem05]

I have been "hacked" in Orbit too, beginning of December. 5600 Euro. I am one of the guys he is speaking about in the German youtube video. I am from Austria. Registe
red via brokerstorm. Just text me, there seem to be a lot of cases. OrbitX is not helping at all to get the money back. I also never entered a password at a phising website. I have been customer for about 10 years there, never had this problem. So let's get together and do something about it together.

Please all who were scammed contact me via PM. I cannot because I don't have 40 postinngs

[kursonik]

hi! first tnx!
when you write that they lower liquidity.. how do you know that?

In all my cases, they first opened a new account, transferred the balance, but the old account was still active and I was able to compare liquidity on both accounts apple to apple.

Also, if you keep betting on the same markets, the difference in liquidity is big enough to be noticeable right away.

[holymoly2023]

Too many reports of fake bets being placed on OrbitX accounts to clean out the balance and then zero assistance from them or Betfair to investigate it.

Blacklisted for me now.

are you mean to orbitx or specifce broker?

[holymoly2023]

Bet-Football - my number 1 for several years, fast withdrawals (Skrill/Bitcoin), good CS. After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I've never had any other trouble with them...so far...
Assianconnect - a few years with them, quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). Some time after opening an account on Orbit, they increased my commission to 6%, and when I refused, they closed my Orbit account. Later I had an account with them on the Piwi247 exchange - no surprises, no problems. I set up a new Orbit account with them a few months ago - no surprises, no problems so far. Trustworthy...for now...
BetInAsia - at the beginning with them, you need to remember that before withdrawing funds, they require three times the turnover of the new deposit at the odds of at least 1.5. Quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I had no problems with them, but if you search other topics, you will find some doubts.
Brokerstorm - I had an Orbit account with them. After about 2 years they increased my commission to 6% and after another winning month they just closed my Orbit account without giving any reason. The funds were withdrawn without problems. Withdrawals from them have always taken the longest.
PremiumTradings - I just do not recommend, high, unreasonable commissions on Bitcoin withdrawals, problems with withdrawal, you will definitely find better options like the ones above.

hi! first tnx!
when you write that they lower liquidity.. how do you know that?

[Optional]

Too many reports of fake bets being placed on OrbitX accounts to clean out the balance and then zero assistance from them or Betfair to investigate it.

Blacklisted for me now.

[Alfie White]

If you want Orbit - BIA (but be VERY careful, several incidents where funds went missing happened), if you want Mollybet - Sportmarket. Others are irrelevant, imho.

[kursonik]

Bet-Football - my number 1 for several years, fast withdrawals (Skrill/Bitcoin), good CS. After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I've never had any other trouble with them...so far...
Assianconnect - a few years with them, quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). Some time after opening an account on Orbit, they increased my commission to 6%, and when I refused, they closed my Orbit account. Later I had an account with them on the Piwi247 exchange - no surprises, no problems. I set up a new Orbit account with them a few months ago - no surprises, no problems so far. Trustworthy...for now...
BetInAsia - at the beginning with them, you need to remember that before withdrawing funds, they require three times the turnover of the new deposit at the odds of at least 1.5. Quick withdrawals of funds (Skrill/Bitcoin). After a few months of opening an Orbit account, they switched my Orbit account to a lower liquidity one.I had no problems with them, but if you search other topics, you will find some doubts.
Brokerstorm - I had an Orbit account with them. After about 2 years they increased my commission to 6% and after another winning month they just closed my Orbit account without giving any reason. The funds were withdrawn without problems. Withdrawals from them have always taken the longest.
PremiumTradings - I just do not recommend, high, unreasonable commissions on Bitcoin withdrawals, problems with withdrawal, you will definitely find better options like the ones above.

[holymoly2023]

i'm live in europe.. (:

bet-football , anyone use?

or other recommnedtion?