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[JBEX]

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previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134/11172


week 9 .. 8/25-8/31

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/25 monday ****

horseshoe 3 (3:12)
5 army girl (10-1)
out @ 16-1


8/26 tuesday ****

parx 3 (1:34)
1 pam pam (8-5)
3rd @ 7-5 .. 5 horse field

horseshoe 2 (2:41)
6 master mule (3-1)
out @ 8-5

finger lakes 6 (3:25)
4 trojan mule (6-1)
3rd @ 7-1 ..head from 2nd..5 horse field

horseshoe 4 (3:43)
9 army chic (20-1)
3rd @ 14-1 .. missed 2nd by head..got 3rd by a nose..big field

8/27 wednesday ****

nothing at the 2 tracks going

8/28 thursday ****

kentucky downs 9 (5:57)
11 grade a (9-2)
4th @ 5-1 .. 12 horse field

8/29 friday ****

saratoga 5 (2:47)
2 party in the army (4-1)
2nd @ 5-1

del mar 7 (9:01)
8 barbara t (9-2)
out @ 3-1

8/30 saturday ****

kentucky downs 2 (12:57)
1 ground support (30-1)
WON $203.20 (100-1)

kentucky downs 8 (4:14)
4 danse macabre (15-1)
out @ 13-1


8/31 sunday ****

saratoga 7 (2:55)
3 paige turner (8-1)
2nd @ 6-1

saratoga 11 (5:11)
4 army proud (5-1)
3rd @ 3-1 ..nose 2nd .. 1+ lengths from winner

kentucky downs 8 (5:23)
5 my stubborn lassie (15-1)
WON $34.56 .. 3456

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[JBEX]

added tomorrow's and results for today ..11187

[str]

Thanks for your take on this. I have not heard of any suspension on that jockey. The eventually winner via DQ of the 8 was the 2- Ruse (ML 12-1, went off at 24-1). The daily double paid $137. The 8- Fredo (ML 15-1, went off at 21-1), yet DD would have paid $259. It seems a bit strange to me. While I’m still not totally agreeing with the call, I am just upset that caused me one grand. I think if the jockey were Prat, that objection probably wouldn’t have been called IMO. This jock was a newly graduated apprentice. Sorry STR, I’m just venting. Hope all is well with you.

If this jockey does not get days, they might as well stop giving days. He never looked, just came over. He did not take into consideration his horse switching to the left leg into the turn which is 3-4 ft. of movement to the inside. He jammed up 3 horses in the race . Too me, it was reckless endangerment, plain and simple.

Sometimes those daily double payouts can be weird. Because the 2 horse was 12-1 ML, the daily doubles were gagged on 12-1 not 24-1. So that probably has something to do with it. That and the inside numbers almost always get more play than the outside numbers as compared to their actual odds. It's a bettors mentality thing I guess, but it is common to see.

And hey Mr. GandT, you have every right to be upset . Losing a dime on a stupid, bone head move that was not necessary by that rider is brutal . He could have laid all over that horse legally down the backside, pinned his right eye and that horse would likely have run much worse that he did. It was a stupid move. Period. And no way Prat ever makes that move. He is every bit as great as this kid is mediocre or worse. Don't know him at all, but now I'm pissed at him for screwing you up for 1,000 bucks.

That is a tough beat my friend.

Vent away and get it all out. Great pick on your part. Lean on that going forward. Controlling speed on the outside is a sweet advantage when ridden correctly. That jock screwed it up. Hopefully he learns from that.

Very nice wager sir. That should not get lost in all this.

[mrginandtonic]

Unfortunately, yes, he needed to be DQ'ed for sure. The damn rider never even glanced over before sawing off the inside horse into the 1st turn. When you go inward like that into the clubhouse turn, the horse will automatically slide over 3-4 feet when they switch to the inside lead (leg) into that turn. That rider of the 8 horse, never even looked to see where he was, he just plowed over there and impeded not only the inside horse but two other horses had to take up as well that were behind that 2nd horse getting impeded and checking. That is riding in a race 101 EZ. No Steward can excuse that. It was bad, irresponsible riding and if he does not get days for that I'll be shocked.
Really sucks for the bettor though. That is a tough beat if you had that horse. All the riders fault EZ. Absolutely no reason the rider had to do that.

Thanks for your take on this. I have not heard of any suspension on that jockey. The eventually winner via DQ of the 8 was the 2- Ruse (ML 12-1, went off at 24-1). The daily double paid $137. The 8- Fredo (ML 15-1, went off at 21-1), yet DD would have paid $259. It seems a bit strange to me. While I’m still not totally agreeing with the call, I am just upset that caused me one grand. I think if the jockey were Prat, that objection probably wouldn’t have been called IMO. This jock was a newly graduated apprentice. Sorry STR, I’m just venting. Hope all is well with you.

[JBEX]

put up friday .. 11187

[Easy-Rider 66]

Unfortunately, yes, he needed to be DQ'ed for sure. The damn rider never even glanced over before sawing off the inside horse into the 1st turn. When you go inward like that into the clubhouse turn, the horse will automatically slide over 3-4 feet when they switch to the inside lead (leg) into that turn. That rider of the 8 horse, never even looked to see where he was, he just plowed over there and impeded not only the inside horse but two other horses had to take up as well that were behind that 2nd horse getting impeded and checking. That is riding in a race 101 EZ. No Steward can excuse that. It was bad, irresponsible riding and if he does not get days for that I'll be shocked.
Really sucks for the bettor though. That is a tough beat if you had that horse. All the riders fault EZ. Absolutely no reason the rider had to do that.

THX STR. I did not have any skin in the game that race #4 but Mr. G&T did have the #8. Appreciate your insights.

[str]

Hey STR: Looking for your opinion on Race #4 from the Spa today 8/27. The horse in question is the #8 Fredo. He scored at 21/1 but was DQ to 4th. Mr. G&T and I are questioning the decision by the stewards. On the replay in the first 2 panels he crosses over and impedes the 7 a bit. Do you think it was enough to take him down? THX in advance.

Unfortunately, yes, he needed to be DQ'ed for sure. The damn rider never even glanced over before sawing off the inside horse into the 1st turn. When you go inward like that into the clubhouse turn, the horse will automatically slide over 3-4 feet when they switch to the inside lead (leg) into that turn. That rider of the 8 horse, never even looked to see where he was, he just plowed over there and impeded not only the inside horse but two other horses had to take up as well that were behind that 2nd horse getting impeded and checking. That is riding in a race 101 EZ. No Steward can excuse that. It was bad, irresponsible riding and if he does not get days for that I'll be shocked.
Really sucks for the bettor though. That is a tough beat if you had that horse. All the riders fault EZ. Absolutely no reason the rider had to do that.

[str]

Hey STR: Looking for your opinion on Race #4 from the Spa today 8/27. The horse in question is the #8 Fredo. He scored at 21/1 but was DQ to 4th. Mr. G&T and I are questioning the decision by the stewards. On the replay in the first 2 panels he crosses over and impedes the 7 a bit. Do you think it was enough to take him down? THX in advance.

I’ll take a look EZ.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: Looking for your opinion on Race #4 from the Spa today 8/27. The horse in question is the #8 Fredo. He scored at 21/1 but was DQ to 4th. Mr. G&T and I are questioning the decision by the stewards. On the replay in the first 2 panels he crosses over and impedes the 7 a bit. Do you think it was enough to take him down? THX in advance.

[JBEX]

added lone entry for tomorrow.. 11187

[JBEX]

nothing weds and today's results posted .. 11187

[JBEX]

put up tuesday's entries .. 11187

[JBEX]

Thank you JBEX . Appreciate your efforts!!

no problem str..winding down over the next few weeks and considering a continuation for ny,ky and fla only .. possibly make some picks on the one's I like but also record results for all .. will decide at the end of this

don't think doing this has up or downgraded my opinion of him as a sire..too small a sample anyway ..certainly not as simple as playing them just because he's the sire ..it's a positive starting point but the work must be done

I do feel in general from looking at a lot of past performances over time that his offspring outperform their stud fee .. really all can you can ask for from a stallion

[batt33]

Headed out to another fire.... just a quick update on Black tie affair

Black Tie Optional Update



Good news: Black Tie Optional’s nuclear scan came back clean. He’s jogging sound currently on the shank, so Team Baffert plans to give him a few more days and then start him back under tack. We’ll see how he responds and looks at that point, but hopefully this minor blip is behind us.

[batt33]

Headed out to another fire.... just a quick update on Black tie affair

Black Tie Optional Update



Good news: Black Tie Optional’s nuclear scan came back clean. He’s jogging sound currently on the shank, so Team Baffert plans to give him a few more days and then start him back under tack. We’ll see how he responds and looks at that point, but hopefully this minor blip is behind us.

[str]

ellis park meet over



previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134/11172


week 9 .. 8/25-8/31

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/25 monday ****

horseshoe 3 (3:12)
5 army girl (10-1)

Thank you JBEX . Appreciate your efforts!!

[JBEX]

ellis park meet over



previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134/11172


week 9 .. 8/25-8/31

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/25 monday ****

horseshoe 3 (3:12)
5 army girl (10-1)
out @ 16-1


8/26 tuesday ****

parx 3 (1:34)
1 pam pam (8-5)
3rd @ 7-5 .. 5 horse field

horseshoe 2 (2:41)
6 master mule (3-1)
out @ 8-5

finger lakes 6 (3:25)
4 trojan mule (6-1)
3rd @ 7-1 ..head from 2nd..5 horse field

horseshoe 4 (3:43)
9 army chic (20-1)
3rd @ 14-1 .. missed 2nd by head..got 3rd by a nose..big field

8/27 wednesday ****

nothing at the 2 tracks going

8/28 thursday ****

kentucky downs 9 (5:57)
11 grade a (9-2)
4th @ 5-1 .. 12 horse field

8/29 friday ****

saratoga 5 (2:47)
2 party in the army (4-1)
2nd @ 5-1

del mar 7 (9:01)
8 barbara t (9-2)
out @ 3-1

8/30 saturday ****

kentucky downs 2 (12:57)
1 ground support (30-1)

kentucky downs 8 (4:14)
4 danse macabre (15-1)


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[JBEX]

added today's AM entries .. 11172

[JBEX]

added a couple of army mule's going in stakes not at the 5 tracks we look for

11172

[batt33]

Q. Black Tie Optional has not been moving to assistant trainer Mike Marlow’s liking behind at Los Alamitos since receiving a week off from breezing last week. There’s nothing pathological showing, which has lead us to set up a nuclear scan. A nuclear scan, also known as a bone scan, is used to detect and diagnose various bone and soft-tissue problems.

A scan is scheduled to take place tomorrow, which will give us a clear image of what we are dealing with. We should receive the results later in the week and will follow up as soon as we get them.

A. To be honest , I’ve been kind of waiting for something to possibly show up.
Why? Because this horse is thick and weighty as well as talented. So that equals weight, speed, stamina, and reach and with all that usually comes a form of muscle or Bone/body over exertion.
He is off somewhere behind. Honestly Batt, that beats the heck out of off up front. But if not remedied he will shift his weight and throw it up front and that will cause stuff we do not want.

So, they are doing exactly the right thing in my opinion. They will figure out the area that is inflamed and deal with it. More often than not with hind ends and muscle , backing off of work outs and jogging even 2 miles a day, is often the prescribed treatment as well as acupuncture or tenz unit type treatment while still in lighter training.
Often times this can be either muscular irritation which can be dealt with with light exercise for a month +\- or bone bruising which depending where can be either the same program or other exercises and treatment.
This hopefully small back off can also help him up front as the front leg bones are slowly thickening by layering additional bone. All that is typical and needed as he starts to run.
This typically occurs when the horse starts getting competitive and pushes things a bit. Especially those with talent and baby fat type weight. He’s a chunkster Batt. That’s who he is.
Of course, this is just speculation on my part. So let’s see what they find. I’m anxious to hear. Please keep me informed.
Thanks, Batt

As always STR I really appreciate your insight and perspective! you always give an end depth answer. I agree time is the answer. ...some people in the"MRH group "get ansy.... and my response is it just takes time... they are individuals and not machines...the managing group as well as the trainers jockeys and grooms are looking out for the horses best interest.

[JBEX]

A comment on the Army Mules…

I see they have not had a win this week I don’t think. One runs today . Three have finished last this week. I put that along with other off the boards on the trainers.
Probably unfair as a blanket statement but with horses that try as hard or harder than any other blood line running, I go back to what I was taught back in the day.
Winning races is a matter of placement.

When this week’s group run back and are entered in spots that use that bad placement to find softer spots good results will follow.

3 of the 6 were well over 10-1..come on mulitch battled on the front end (pressing) to the 1/16th pole and was 3rd by 2 lengths .. was a 1 mile race

[str]

just read STR that the stewards have suspended Jimenez 1 year for that ride. I also read that he has a child with the rider on the winner(Summer Pauly) of that race the #3. Makes you wonder?

Here is the link :

https://www.horseracingnation.com/news/Jockey_is_suspended_1_year_for_suspicious_ride_at_Belterra_123

Anyone interested should watch this race but only look at the 1 horse.
Im guessing that this was Not decided upon before the race, this was decided on by the rider in question down the backside when he saw his girlfriend range up next to him with some horse. Just a guess but that’s what it looks like too me.
it is quite obvious that he waited way too long to start his run. He never would have let that outside horse pin him going into the far turn. His girlfriend was already past him at that point. However the hit with the right hand and hold back with the left hand was actually something I was shown at Charlestown way back when I was in high school. That and the windmill whipping but the rider never actually hits the horse but hold it back with the left hand.

Good for that trainer for calling it out.

Boy did this jockey screw up his career with that move.

[str]

Hey STR: A trainer from Belterra Park is asking the stewards to critique a ride in race #2 on 8/21. The horse in question is the #1 Afleet Vintage ridden by Albin Jimenez. I checked out the replay and it looked like the rider let the horse fall back and urged the #1 on late to finish 2nd as the 3/5 fav. When you get a chance watch the replay. Interested to get your take on the ride. THX in advance.

Yep. Watch when he uses the whip early in the stretch that as he hits right handed, his left hand has a tight hold of the rein. That’s pitiful.

More on your follow up question and will try and provide a link so people can see what I’m talking about.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: A trainer from Belterra Park is asking the stewards to critique a ride in race #2 on 8/21. The horse in question is the #1 Afleet Vintage ridden by Albin Jimenez. I checked out the replay and it looked like the rider let the horse fall back and urged the #1 on late to finish 2nd as the 3/5 fav. When you get a chance watch the replay. Interested to get your take on the ride. THX in advance.

just read STR that the stewards have suspended Jimenez 1 year for that ride. I also read that he has a child with the rider on the winner(Summer Pauly) of that race the #3. Makes you wonder?

[str]

A comment on the Army Mules…

I see they have not had a win this week I don’t think. One runs today . Three have finished last this week. I put that along with other off the boards on the trainers.
Probably unfair as a blanket statement but with horses that try as hard or harder than any other blood line running, I go back to what I was taught back in the day.
Winning races is a matter of placement.

When this week’s group run back and are entered in spots that use that bad placement to find softer spots good results will follow.

[JBEX]

posted today's result and tomorrow's lone entry

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: A trainer from Belterra Park is asking the stewards to critique a ride in race #2 on 8/21. The horse in question is the #1 Afleet Vintage ridden by Albin Jimenez. I checked out the replay and it looked like the rider let the horse fall back and urged the #1 on late to finish 2nd as the 3/5 fav. When you get a chance watch the replay. Interested to get your take on the ride. THX in advance.

[str]

Q. Black Tie Optional has not been moving to assistant trainer Mike Marlow’s liking behind at Los Alamitos since receiving a week off from breezing last week. There’s nothing pathological showing, which has lead us to set up a nuclear scan. A nuclear scan, also known as a bone scan, is used to detect and diagnose various bone and soft-tissue problems.

A scan is scheduled to take place tomorrow, which will give us a clear image of what we are dealing with. We should receive the results later in the week and will follow up as soon as we get them.

A. To be honest , I’ve been kind of waiting for something to possibly show up.
Why? Because this horse is thick and weighty as well as talented. So that equals weight, speed, stamina, and reach and with all that usually comes a form of muscle or Bone/body over exertion.
He is off somewhere behind. Honestly Batt, that beats the heck out of off up front. But if not remedied he will shift his weight and throw it up front and that will cause stuff we do not want.

So, they are doing exactly the right thing in my opinion. They will figure out the area that is inflamed and deal with it. More often than not with hind ends and muscle , backing off of work outs and jogging even 2 miles a day, is often the prescribed treatment as well as acupuncture or tenz unit type treatment while still in lighter training.
Often times this can be either muscular irritation which can be dealt with with light exercise for a month +\- or bone bruising which depending where can be either the same program or other exercises and treatment.
This hopefully small back off can also help him up front as the front leg bones are slowly thickening by layering additional bone. All that is typical and needed as he starts to run.
This typically occurs when the horse starts getting competitive and pushes things a bit. Especially those with talent and baby fat type weight. He’s a chunkster Batt. That’s who he is.
Of course, this is just speculation on my part. So let’s see what they find. I’m anxious to hear. Please keep me informed.
Thanks, Batt

[JBEX]

added lone friday entry

[batt33]

Couple of up dates STR including your favorite of mine! all is well here... on 2 hour call for new starts .... keeping me busy with admin stuff( and I thought I was retired ) )
Real Savvy Post-Race Follow-Up



Real Savvy exited his race the other day in pretty good order. It should be noted that in his post-race scope his arytenoid cartilage was about 80% abducted. This is not uncommon for horses with tie-backs—that procedure rarely gets them to 100%, but it is certainly an improvement compared to where he was before the surgery and so far the sutures appear to be holding. It’s just something we’ll have to keep in mind and monitor moving forward. We’ll see how he trains coming out of this race and likely look for a next start when they’re back downstate.
and ugh
Black Tie Optional Update



Black Tie Optional has not been moving to assistant trainer Mike Marlow’s liking behind at Los Alamitos since receiving a week off from breezing last week. There’s nothing pathological showing, which has lead us to set up a nuclear scan. A nuclear scan, also known as a bone scan, is used to detect and diagnose various bone and soft-tissue problems.

A scan is scheduled to take place tomorrow, which will give us a clear image of what we are dealing with. We should receive the results later in the week and will follow up as soon as we get them.

[JBEX]

3 tracks thursday .. none running

[JBEX]

new page


previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134


week 8 .. 8/18-8/24

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post




8/18 monday ****

parx 9 (4:18)
#1 amy mule (15-1)
4th @ 12-1 .. 11 horse field

parx 11 (5:14)
#5 mission first (10-1)
scratched

prarie meadows 10 (8:51)
#2 come on mulitch (10-1)
3rd @ 3-2 .. 5 horse field w/ 2 scratches


8/19 tuesday ****

parx 1 (12:40)
#10 forward move (8-1)
last @ 17-1 ..never involved at any point

parx 12 (5:41)
#8 mission first (8-1)
out @ 6-1

8/20 wednesday ****

colonial 3 @ 1:28
#1 splash of jack (8-1)
out @ 20-1

8/21 thursday ****

nothing

8/22 friday ****

del mar 5 @ 8pm
6 charlie foxtrot (4-1)
3rd (of 6) @ 5-1


8/23 saturday ****

ellis 1 @ 12:50
7 colonel caliente (6-1)
WON $14.72



a couple involved in stakes
outside of the 5 tracks

timonium 9 (4:02) listed
6 discreet ops (2-1)
WON $6.20


woodbine 9 (5:51) grade 3
5 a little frisky (15-1)
4th @ 16 -1 (about 2 lengths from winner)


8/24 sunday ****

ellis 9 (4:42)
11 hope restored (15-1)
out @ 16-1


monmouth 10 (5:01)
statebred stakes .. full siblings
6 molly's a bullet (12-1)
7 bel pensiero (8-1)

4th (of 10) @ 46-1
WON $7.40


del mar 4 (6:33)
6 saint miheil (6-1)
out @ 25-1

[Easy-Rider 66]

Have to admit, the track owners being affiliated with the CAW’s is a little slimy. These people with mega bucks have no shame when it comes to trying to accumulate more money.
I think it’s a sickness. I mean, cmon man, help out other people. I think it’s gross.

THX STR for your takes. Yeah I was surprised to see that NYRA and CDI are affiliated with these groups.

[str]

Some prominent track operators own the betting platforms used by CAW players, with The Stronach Group and the New York Racing Association owning one such company, Elite Turf Club, and Churchill Downs Inc. owning another known as Velocity. A Sept. 5, 2024, document outlining Elite Turf Club for the California Horse Racing Board said TSG owns 80% of Elite and NYRA 20%. Elite Turf Club is responsible for the bulk of CAW play on California racing, while Velocity is primarily focused on CDI-owned tracks.

Speaking last summer before the CHRB, Scott Daruty, president of TSG's Monarch Content Management and Elite Turf Club, acknowledged that the effectiveness of CAW teams raises the effective takeout for retail players. The aforementioned 2024 document estimated Elite's wagering results in a 2.5% increase in effective takeout for retail players.

Have to admit, the track owners being affiliated with the CAW’s is a little slimy. These people with mega bucks have no shame when it comes to trying to accumulate more money.
I think it’s a sickness. I mean, cmon man, help out other people. I think it’s gross.

[str]

I do know one player for sure and probably more that are a big part of the CAW scene. While the CAW betting has added to a takeout kind of, without them, at least 1/2 of that money and probably more would be wagered anyway by a small group of individual players. That’s what happened back in the day when the high rolling sharps bet individually.
So it’s not all gloom and doom. And I thought about if this was the rule in Florida, 2 minutes to post is really more like 8 minutes to post because they are purposely late to make sure they get every drop of handle.
I personally find that as bush league and if I was a horseman there with any pull, I would be screaming about it. It’s amateurish. I wouldn’t bet a nickel at that place.