Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

big prices! of note
hip 139 a Violence colt of an Army Mule mare went for 400,000
Seize the Grey's half sister hip 209 went for 1,0025!
Hip 222 a Half sister to my horse"black tie affair" went for 285,000
Hip 165 a Into mischief filly was RNA'd at 3.9 million!! WTH???? reserve was at 4 million..... I think I would have let the filly go... so much can happen to them.....

some nice info relative to the horse's we follow ..thanks

amazing with the into mischief filly and maybe not going to $4M was the plan going in..the filly is a half to journalism and ironically IM is the sire of sovereignty his arch rival

[str]

big prices! of note
hip 139 a Violence colt of an Army Mule mare went for 400,000
Seize the Grey's half sister hip 209 went for 1,0025!
Hip 222 a Half sister to my horse"black tie affair" went for 285,000
Hip 165 a Into mischief filly was RNA'd at 3.9 million!! WTH???? reserve was at 4 million..... I think I would have let the filly go... so much can happen to them.....

Wow. Think about that. A FILLY !

[str]

I went back to look an Into Mischief's first year at stud and the fee was $12,500 and we know what he demands now. Now, Army Mule is getting much better mares and if his babies keep doing this I will tip my hat to either JBEX or STR that had him pegged way before his youngsters started to race.

JBEX mentioned him to me in the beginning. He deserves the credit for finding him Since then, we have both had a great time watching him grow.
The things his offspring bring to the table is simply different than what most horses do across the board.
Consistency is always wished for but with these AM’s it’s part of the package. That is rare.
What a horse !

[batt33]

The Saratoga yearling sales are going on this week. You will need to sit down to see the prices that these yearlings are selling for.
2.7 million is the high so far.
incredible !!

big prices! of note
hip 139 a Violence colt of an Army Mule mare went for 400,000
Seize the Grey's half sister hip 209 went for 1,0025!
Hip 222 a Half sister to my horse"black tie affair" went for 285,000
Hip 165 a Into mischief filly was RNA'd at 3.9 million!! WTH???? reserve was at 4 million..... I think I would have let the filly go... so much can happen to them.....

[JBEX]

nothing on thursday

[JBEX]

I went back to look a Into Mischief's first year at stud and the fee was $12,500 and we know what he demands now. Now, Army Mule is getting much better mares and if his babies keep doing this I will tip my hat to either JBEX or STR that had him pegged way before his youngsters started to race.

noticed AM cost a boatload relative to his pedigree .. crushed them his first race and kept an eye out for his next start ..me and str discussed before and after all 3 races in his career and off 3 brilliant performances (won by 22+ lengths cumulatively, none by less than 6L) thought he might make a good sire and he certainly has exceeded expectations

it will be interesting pigpen..next year will be the 1st increased fee crop and the following year his fee doubled from that .. be cool to see how his progeny does with better quality mares..if he peaked as a $40-50k sire that'd be a nice accomplishment but you never know ..into mischief is a good example that it is possible to climb all the way to the top starting as an inexpensive sire

[Pigpen]

Incredible!!

I went back to look a Into Mischief's first year at stud and the fee was $12,500 and we know what he demands now. Now, Army Mule is getting much better mares and if his babies keep doing this I will tip my hat to either JBEX or STR that had him pegged way before his youngsters started to race.

[str]

Into Mischief colt goes for $4.1 million. He is quite the sire.

Incredible!!

[Snowball]

The Saratoga yearling sales are going on this week. You will need to sit down to see the prices that these yearlings are selling for.
2.7 million is the high so far.
incredible !!

I saw the video of that on Bloodhorse YT channel. It sucks losing Aqueduct but it looks like the new Belmont and Pimilco are going to be catalysts.. I see more big money getting in. They don't know much but they can buy experience and insight because the disposition is to save the industry which took a beating from legal sports betting. With the right management in media and government I think horse racing can at least hold its own but more likely, even grow participation rates. If the purses are going up someday soon it would make a lot of sense to pay bigger money not just on inflation but higher stakes payouts. Hope I'm not being too optimistic but I doubt it because Saratoga is getting a lot of looks and Belmont opening will be major.

[JBEX]

Into Mischief colt goes for $4.1 million. He is quite the sire.

started off very cheap and climbed up the ranks to be one of the best and most expensive stallions out there

[Pigpen]

Into Mischief colt goes for $4.1 million. He is quite the sire.

[JBEX]

The Saratoga yearling sales are going on this week. You will need to sit down to see the prices that these yearlings are selling for.
2.7 million is the high so far.
incredible !!

have to check that out str

no army mule runners at any of our tracks tomorrow

[str]

The Saratoga yearling sales are going on this week. You will need to sit down to see the prices that these yearlings are selling for.
2.7 million is the high so far.
incredible !!

[JBEX]

only because it's a listed stakes race an AM won at 10f on the turf at woodbine on saturday and paid $5.90..added to the week's results (11063) and mentioned it was posted after the race

[JBEX]

previous week 11063



week 6 .. 8/4-8/10
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial
(del mar and colonial haven't begun yet)

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/4 monday ****

thistledown 4 @ 2:30
#1 sgt york (7-2)


ellis 5 @ 2:44
#6 army girl (10-1) rick d trained


presque isle 7 @ 6:12
#9 grade a (8-1) listed stakes

mistake sorry..rick has #5 itwillbefun

[JBEX]

previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063


week 6 .. 8/4-8/10
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/4 monday ****

thistledown 4 @ 2:30
#1 sgt york (7-2)
out @ 5-1 .. 1-5 (odds) won the race

ellis 5 @ 2:44
#6 army girl (10-1)
3rd @ 5-1 .. photo for 2nd

presque isle 7 @ 6:12
#9 grade a (8-1) listed stakes
4th @ 5-1 .. photo for 3rd
all 3 off @ same odds

8/5 tuesday ****

nothing

8/6 wednesday ****

only 2 core tracks ..nothing


8/7 thursday ****

nothing

8/8 friday ****

nothing

8/9 saturday ****

nothing

8/10 sunday ****

nothing

[JBEX]

He was still getting the hang of things and remember that long race where the rider lost his iron leaving the gate. That had him running scared and upset early not having a clear idea what all was going on.
It took him several months to figure that out. Clement giving him the time to mentally grow and develop made this horse what he now is.

Thats the thing about the Ky. Derby. It’s always such hype leading up to it and everything these young horses are trying to cram in mentally, you see the back end effect on horses that then put it together and learn to breath, relax, understand, etc. it’s really something to see isn’t it. All the crazy hype from babies up to the race. Then, it’s all gone and it’s off to the Preakness and Belmont.
It happens every year. Never changes it doesn’t seem.

He sure did do a Hall of Fame job with Deterministic.

oh yeah I forgot (and I shouldn't have) about the circumstances in those races and that was a good catch by you to see that ..if I remember correctly it was the left iron which you can only tell by how the jockey appears on the mount..that was the 2nd leg which I believe is the withers and then with that bad experience went on to the wood ..not an ideal sequence at all

can definitely see what you mean about the rush to the triple crown races not being the ideal learning environment for them..starting a horse off in the spring of his 3yo year when it's more mature and developed physically might lead to a better career long haul but will mostly be a secondary option with all the glitz and money of running early

definitely have more appreciation of the process of getting these young horses ready from you and certainly the clement's did a great job with deterministic

[str]

and I am initially referring to the ML and then the $$$ comes in knocking his odds even lower. I guess that can create opportunities like tonight in RACE #3 a 30/1 shot beat Bocachica.

Again, I do think he is the best rider there. I don’t necessarily think he makes horses win that often, but it is rare to see him get one in a bad spot, stopped, or him screw up. Fans do over bet him which can create an opportunity to play against but he is very consistent from what I’ve seen.
Gotta give props for that. He seems ultra consistent.

[str]

Hey STR: the track in question is CT. The Rider is Arnaldo Bocachica. Every time I look at that track Bocachica is riding one of the favs in the race about 80% of the time. It gets old. Wanted your thoughts on the matter. thx in advance.

Hi EZ. Thanks for checking in. Yeah, he gets the best mounts, and he is the best rider. I do not know him at all. Never met him. I know he rides a lot for Runco who has all the ties with Md. trainers, owners etc. and those horses are always even money it seems. Jeff started out as a jockey. A bug boy for Bud Delp. He was before Ronnie Franklin .
That rider is very good especially against the other riders there. He is simply better. But he has a lock on the best horses. It does get old sometimes and he’s hard to beat but.. it’s not, IMO, that his talent alone is making those horses win. It’s not a Chris McCarron in Md. thing. It’s a very solid rider that is fed a pipeline of better horses and does very well keeping them out of trouble and making smart choices . He can pick and choose his mounts .
I remember talking about Runco before in here. I’ve know him for 45 years +. Let’s just say , not a fan at all.
I saw what he did time and again while establishing himself there waaay back. A back stabber and I’ll say IMO. But it’s not an opinion , it’s a fact that was repeated multiple times.
Not my kind of guy. At all.
I would not even acknowledge him if we passed each other.

[str]

amazing how 2 turns on the dirt threw him for a loop in starts 3 and 4 but nothing but good things ever since putting him on the turf .. know it's not happening but I think he could possibly be a graded stakes horse on the dirt going 2 turns.. would love to see him try that if he runs next year .. my memory is horrible but seems like something you don't see much, if at all, in recent years or even further back

He was still getting the hang of things and remember that long race where the rider lost his iron leaving the gate. That had him running scared and upset early not having a clear idea what all was going on.
It took him several months to figure that out. Clement giving him the time to mentally grow and develop made this horse what he now is.

Thats the thing about the Ky. Derby. It’s always such hype leading up to it and everything these young horses are trying to cram in mentally, you see the back end effect on horses that then put it together and learn to breath, relax, understand, etc. it’s really something to see isn’t it. All the crazy hype from babies up to the race. Then, it’s all gone and it’s off to the Preakness and Belmont.
It happens every year. Never changes it doesn’t seem.

He sure did do a Hall of Fame job with Deterministic.

[JBEX]

put up sunday AM ..11063

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: the track in question is CT. The Rider is Arnaldo Bocachica. Every time I look at that track Bocachica is riding one of the favs in the race about 80% of the time. It gets old. Wanted your thoughts on the matter. thx in advance.

and I am initially referring to the ML and then the $$$ comes in knocking his odds even lower. I guess that can create opportunities like tonight in RACE #3 a 30/1 shot beat Bocachica.

[batt33]

ah the ups and downs of horse racing....

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: the track in question is CT. The Rider is Arnaldo Bocachica. Every time I look at that track Bocachica is riding one of the favs in the race about 80% of the time. It gets old. Wanted your thoughts on the matter. thx in advance.

[JBEX]

amazing how 2 turns on the dirt threw him for a loop in starts 3 and 4 but nothing but good things ever since putting him on the turf .. know it's not happening but I think he could possibly be a graded stakes horse on the dirt going 2 turns.. would love to see him try that if he runs next year .. my memory is horrible but seems like something you don't see much, if at all, in recent years or even further back

[JBEX]

hell yeah! nice run by deterministic !!!

Oh my!!
Look whose relaxing and finishing i
Clean right eye . Race was over into the first turn when he settled.
Man that is so fun to see a horse mature .
Great call JBEX.

thanks guys..at this point i think we are just as much fans as concerned about the mutuels but nothing wrong with hitting at 9-2 .. as you said str was able to settle just off the lone speed and had plenty left for the stretch..kendrick rode him great

was a win and you're in race for the breeders cup and likely have one more race before that..need a little luck but I think he'll be a serious contender in the bc mile

[str]

Oh my!!
Look whose relaxing and finishing i
Clean right eye . Race was over into the first turn when he settled.
Man that is so fun to see a horse mature .
Great call JBEX.

[batt33]

hell yeah! nice run by deterministic !!!

[batt33]

Good stuff Batt.

Hope she runs well and stays safe.

A quick comment on the picture shown. Do you see that left ear which is slightly more back than her right ear? That, along with the left eye and expression on her face?
What is the horse thinking and muttering to herself?

She is thinking... Wait.. what the hell are you doing now? Hey, whatyoutalkinabout Willis.

She is hawking every second of that.

That picture is priceless !!

Good luck my] friend.

Thanks STR! okay you made me chuckle with Wacha takin about Willis! always enjoy you making me take another look at the photo's or video's!

[batt33]

tactics will play a key role here..don't think he will try to go with #2 my boy prince (15-1) and a possibility #5 win for the money (8-1) will ..think a stalking trip is what he wants .. find it interesting that the front end running started with the off the turf,sloppy race 3 back ..look forward to seeing it also

for sure !a bunch of runners in here I follow..... what s race!

[JBEX]

Very cool.
Can't wait to see him.

tactics will play a key role here..don't think he will try to go with #2 my boy prince (15-1) and a possibility #5 win for the money (8-1) will ..think a stalking trip is what he wants .. find it interesting that the front end running started with the off the turf,sloppy race 3 back ..look forward to seeing it also

[JBEX]

only 1 AM today .. 11063

[str]

So one of the horses that I have been involved in and able to watch from almost the beginning starting with .. "phase one " about 9 months ago....
Blip Says Bye ’23 going through phase one of the breaking process, which incorporates “the roller,” which replicates a saddle. As you will see in the video above, she is doing a lot of the same things she did in stage one, but with the addition of that pressure from the roller. watching her develop and learn new things has been pretty cool! and as always enjoyed sharing the video's and learning from STR's keen eye!

She is in the same group as "black tie optional" and "Munny problems" She is the first one to make it to the track!
Tomorrow is the day for her! Race 6 number 6 a Del Mar. Juan has been getting on her in the morning.... you never know with these young horses... hopefully she runs well!

Race 6 POST Time - 4:33 PM PT

PP (Race 6)

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$1 Exacta / $2 Quinella / 50c Trifecta / $2 Rolling Double 50c Rolling Pick Three / $1 Superfecta (10c min) $1 Pick 6 / $2 WPS Parlay

Del Mar MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT

Purse $100,000. Five And One Half Furlongs. (Includes $20,000 – Other Sources) (Plus $24,000 – CBOIF - California Bred Owner Fund). For Maidens, Fillies Two Years Old. Weight, 122 Lbs. (Non-Starters For A Claiming Price Of $40,000 Or Less In The Last 3 Starts Preferred).

1	1	Jasmine (KY)		2/F		H I Berrios	122	P Eurton	6/1
2	2	Grandma Mary (KY)		2/F		R Gonzalez	122	M Ruis, Sr.	8/1
3	3	Umbralle (KY)		2/F		A Fresu	122	J W Sadler	4/1
4	4	Bourbon and Ginger (KY)		2/F		M Demuro	122	R E Mandella	3/1
5	5	Roccabella (KY)		2/F		A Espinoza	122	M W McCarthy	12/1
6	6	Misstrial (KY)		2/F		J J Hernandez	122	B Baffert	2/1
7	7	Separator (KY)		2/F		K Kimura	122	M W McCarthy	15/1
8	8	Golden Two Step (KY)		2/F		E A Maldonado	122	D F O'Neill	12/1

Owners: 1 - Exline-Border Racing LLC, Hausman or Kennedy, et al ; 2 - Ruis Racing LLC ; 3 - Don Alberto Stable ; 4 - Spendthrift Farm, LLC ; 5 - Don Alberto Stable ; 6 - MyRacehorse ; 7 - Colbart Stables ; 8 - Glenn Sorgenstein WC Racing Inc.

Breeders: 1 - Rose Hill Farm; 2 - Ruis Racing LLC; 3 - Don Alberto Corporation; 4 - Mulholland Springs LLC & Tom GretherFarms, Inc.; 5 - Don Alberto Corporation; 6 - E. H. Beau Lane; 7 - Mulholland Springs LLC, Jay Young & BethYoung; 8 - Glenn Sorgenstein WC Racing Inc.

Pedigrees (Sire - Dam, by Dam Sire): 1 - Bolt d'Oro - Beautiful Princess , by Giant's Causeway ; 2 - Bolt d'Oro - Mary Edna , by Pioneerof the Nile ; 3 - Into Mischief - Unique Bella , by Tapit ; 4 - Bolt d'Oro - Touchy Feely , by Bernardini ; 5 - Ghostzapper - Royal Azahar , by Curlin ; 6 - Constitution - Blip Says Bye , by Fed Biz ; 7 - Charlatan - Shanghai Rain , by Shanghai Bobby ; 8 - Goldencents - Dance America , by Tapit ;

Good stuff Batt.

Hope she runs well and stays safe.

A quick comment on the picture shown. Do you see that left ear which is slightly more back than her right ear? That, along with the left eye and expression on her face?
What is the horse thinking and muttering to herself?

She is thinking... Wait.. what the hell are you doing now? Hey, whatyoutalkinabout Willis.

She is hawking every second of that.

That picture is priceless !!

Good luck my friend.

[str]

deterministic going in the fourstardave (g1) @ saratoga on saturday ..R8 #8 (9-2)
post 3:52

Very cool.
Can't wait to see him.

[JBEX]

deterministic going in the fourstardave (g1) @ saratoga on saturday ..R8 #8 (9-2)
post 3:52