Horse Racing questions and answers

[stevenash]

How can you not love a horse named 'Book 'em Danno'?

[str]

Sorry to hear Bud. Stuff I'd brush off with little thought years ago takes its toll now. Hope you are on the upswing.

Doing fine now Madison. Appreciate the well wishes.

[JBEX]

put up saturday ... 10699

keep putting 699 instead of 999 .. sorry

[JBEX]

put up saturday ... 10699

[JBEX]

both army mules's at saratoga scratched

[Madison]

Sorry for the absence folks. This Covid crap is a bitch.

I'm seeing things. Just haven't been up to answering but I will soon.

Sorry to hear Bud. Stuff I'd brush off with little thought years ago takes its toll now. Hope you are on the upswing.

[str]

that's what's happening to army gal tomorrow except they're trying the turf ..she ran last friday

Running back this quickly is a real positive. With today’s entry times being so far out, for a trainer to have that thought run across their mind to enter back that quickly after a poor performance tells you quite a bit. Anytime I see a quick turnaround, I always see it as a big positive . With the last race being a poor one, making the odds likely higher today, I find it very difficult to toss those types.

[JBEX]

posted result (last @ 1-2)

have a hunch she might have not liked being pressed on the rail for the first time ..considering it was a mile and she held the lead for about 6.5 furlongs I think it sets up nice for a cutback next race ..back to stalking the pace again in that

that's what's happening to army gal tomorrow except they're trying the turf ..she ran last friday

[JBEX]

posted 3 for tomorrow..10999

[JBEX]

"leon blue" named after the late trainer leon blusiewucz who you said you knew (quite a character you said as do many others) in his racetrack days and a horse we discussed once before ..he won today and is quite a gritty performer overall including today's win ..check out his pp's if you get a chance

R3 #5

[JBEX]

what a bummer..RTC scratched at the gate

[JBEX]

Pretty cool you caught that "Remember The Chief" reference, in honor of Allen Jerkins, AM's trainer.

Both can win in here and while I do get 20-1, don't you wish all 20-1 shots looked like this one does.

remember on ocassion he gave horses multiple 6f to 1 mile workouts approaching a race ..knew he meant business when he did that

well they'll only be one going ..#4 army proud is scratched..kind of glad about that with all the talk about the other ..also chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon..off track wouldn't discourage me as AM's like the mud

[str]

the other one #4 army proud (9-2)certainly live also especially with irad taking the mount but I'm more intrigued with RTC at a price

Pretty cool you caught that "Remember The Chief" reference, in honor of Allen Jerkins, AM's trainer.

Both can win in here and while I do get 20-1, don't you wish all 20-1 shots looked like this one does.

[JBEX]

glad you're feeling better str

these are great betting races for sure and either wouldn't surprise me ..I think #6 RTC has some interesting things going on at a big price..in a nutshell;a shot to run at this level and distance (together) with a race in him for fitness and blinkers back on which produced front running ability in the past .. be interesting if he does pull it off will the fox crew mention the late,great allen jerkens whose nickname was "the chief" for those who don't know

the other one #4 army proud (9-2)certainly live also especially with irad taking the mount but I'm more intrigued with RTC at a price

[JBEX]

I think I'm back in the saddle again, but, still some fog in the vicinity. Lol.

Just looked at the Saratoga race for today with to AM's entered. Maiden 20k and really competitive.
You can tell when Saratoga runs. All the horses are entered with a purpose. No running just to run stuff there. Everybody wants to win every race. Not that they always don't but they enter in reasonable spots instead of this wish and hope stuff. Great racing up there. Half the horses could win that race and it would not be a surprise. Great to see. Value all over the place. No need to stick with favorites when at Saratoga. GL everyone.

glad you're feeling better str

these are great betting races for sure and either wouldn't surprise me ..I think #6 RTC has some interesting things going on at a big price..in a nutshell;a shot to run at this level and distance (together) with a race in him for fitness and blinkers back on which produced front running ability in the past .. be interesting if he does pull it off will the fox crew mention the late,great allen jerkens whose nickname was "the chief" for those who don't know

[str]

4:47 AM.
It's feed time.

1 scoop of oats for everyone. Just a hand full if they are in today.

Let's get this day started.

[str]

I think I'm back in the saddle again, but, still some fog in the vicinity. Lol.

Just looked at the Saratoga race for today with to AM's entered. Maiden 20k and really competitive.
You can tell when Saratoga runs. All the horses are entered with a purpose. No running just to run stuff there. Everybody wants to win every race. Not that they always don't but they enter in reasonable spots instead of this wish and hope stuff. Great racing up there. Half the horses could win that race and it would not be a surprise. Great to see. Value all over the place. No need to stick with favorites when at Saratoga. GL everyone.

[JBEX]

added thursday army mule ...10999

[JBEX]

mountaineer horse scratched

[JBEX]

have a hunch with the northeast weather penn will be off the turf which is no problem for army mule progeny ..will report back later

got confused.. it's mountaineer not penn and forecast looks good there

[JBEX]

have a hunch with the northeast weather penn will be off the turf which is no problem for army mule progeny ..will report back later

[JBEX]

posted results of 4 early races..one more at mountaineer tonight

[JBEX]

10959/10994



week 3 .. 7/14 -7/20
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

from now on [NEW]
monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


7/14 monday ****

ellis 4 @ 2:16
#8 airborne elite (7-2)
2nd @ 9-5 ..neck

thistledown 5 @ 2:50
#6 holidays army brat (5-1)
2nd @ 8-1 .. 2 horses <= 2-1 .. $34 ($2) exacta with one of those

parx 6 @ 2:59
la de peluche (20-1)
last @ 41-1

horseshoe 4 @ 3:43
#2 lalily (4-1)
2nd @ 6-1

mountaineer 2 @ 7:25
#4 lieutenant stan (4-1)
scratched


7/15 tuesday ****


finger lakes 6 @ 3:25
#1 trojan mule (9-2)
4th @ 9-2..head off 3rd


parx 9 @ 4:20
#1 amy mule (6-1)
4th @ 6-1


7/16 weds ****

only core tracks going are saratoga and colonial and there is nothing


7/17 thursday ****

saratoga 5 @ 3:27
#4 army proud (9-2) early scratch
#6 remember the chief (20-1) gate scratch

going in same race

7/18 friday ****

saratoga 2 @ 1:43
#8 army gal (8-1)
scratched

saratoga 6 @ 3:57
#2 party in the army (5-2)
2 year old debut
scratched

monmouth 8 @ 5:17
#9 molly's a bullet (6-1)
last @ 17-1


7/19 saturday ****

colonial 2 @ 1pm
#3 colonel tully (5-2)
out @ 8-5


ellis 2 @ 1:19
#8 brooklyn drew (6-1)
2nd @ 5-2 .. < 1 length

colonial 7 @ 3:30
#4 splash of jack (20-1)
out @ 24-1

woodbine 6 @ 3:43
#6 danse macabre (2-1)
WON $4.60



7/20 sunday ****

nothing at 5 core tracks


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[JBEX]

Sorry for the absence folks. This Covid crap is a bitch.

I'm seeing things. Just haven't been up to answering but I will soon.

sure you'll make some progress next week str ..whenever you feel up to it on the comments

[Easy-Rider 66]

Sorry for the absence folks. This Covid crap is a bitch.

I'm seeing things. Just haven't been up to answering but I will soon.

no rush STR get well. thx

[str]

Sorry for the absence folks. This Covid crap is a bitch.

I'm seeing things. Just haven't been up to answering but I will soon.

[JBEX]

added sunday army mule

[JBEX]

10959

new page

week 2 .. 7/7 -7/13
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial
(del mar and colonial haven't begun yet)
may look at other tracks on occasion but committed to above 5

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post



7/7 monday ****


parx 2 @ 1:07
#5 la de peluche (8-1)
last @ 27-1


thistledown 7 @ 3:50
#7 sgt york (7-2)
out @ 9-2



7/9 weds ****


belterra 2 @ 1:05
#2 bourbon state (2-1) 222
won $2.80 .. easy


horseshoe 2 @ 2:41
#6 army girl (10-1)
3rd @ 6-1


thistledown 4 @ 2:20
#4 army kitten (2-1)
2nd @ 2-1 .. < 1 length


7/10 thursday ****


thistledown 6 @ 3:20
#1 wisconsin gal (2-1)
scratched

7/11 friday ****

saratoga 4 @ 2:52
#9 army gal (3-1)
off turf and she is main track only
last @ 1-2


7/12 saturday ****

colonial 2 @ 12:58
#1 flick (2-1)
3rd @ 3-1


gulfstream 2 @ 1:24
#10 army medic (10-1)
out @ 7-1


saratoga 4 @ 2:13
#6 cee pee gee (7-2)
out @ 9-5


fairmount 2 @ 2:55
#2 alto road (9-2)
3rd @ 1-2 ..nose from 2nd ..5 horse field




ellis 7 @ 3:42
#6 wonder of you (6-1)
WON $14.74




sunday 7/13 ****

ellis 2 @ 1:19
#1 colonel caliente (5-1)
out @ 6-1


woodbine 10 @ 6:03
#6 human desire (5-1)
3rd @ 5-2 .. 6 horse field and missed 2nd by a neck




.

[JBEX]

That is what I was referring to. If the trainer says the horse is coughing, did not eat dinner last night but does not have a fever as of now but taking into consideration that she has traces of bute in her from the pre race treatment, which will alter the true temperature, the state vet has no choice but to accept the trainer’s recommendation.
That can be the truth or not. Therein lies the problem I tried to address all those years ago . Only the trainer actually knows. Fans cannot possibly know what to make of it. That is where we find ourselves now.

too bad with this one especially..finally lands in a winnable spot and would've been nice to see her give it a go ..not about money of course as she certainly would have been a big underlay but because we've followed along for a long while..if she gets through her 2 allowance conditions there in 3 or less starts be interesting to see how she progresses..hope she gets that opportunity again

[str]

when it just says veterinarian they don't tell you anything more..maybe when it's a private vet scratch they want more specifics

That is what I was referring to. If the trainer says the horse is coughing, did not eat dinner last night but does not have a fever as of now but taking into consideration that she has traces of bute in her from the pre race treatment, which will alter the true temperature, the state vet has no choice but to accept the trainer’s recommendation.
That can be the truth or not. Therein lies the problem I tried to address all those years ago . Only the trainer actually knows. Fans cannot possibly know what to make of it. That is where we find ourselves now.

any time a race has seven or less horses in it or nine or less in a daily double or triple race only a state vet can scratch the horse for the trainer. More than that in any race, and you can either scratch for no reason or with an excuse from your regular vet, and not the state vet.
Hope that makes sense.

[JBEX]

posted result (last @ 1-2)

have a hunch she might have not liked being pressed on the rail for the first time ..considering it was a mile and she held the lead for about 6.5 furlongs I think it sets up nice for a cutback next race ..back to stalking the pace again in that

[JBEX]

Wow. 50 years later .
so what was the reason stated ?

when it just says veterinarian they don't tell you anything more..maybe when it's a private vet scratch they want more specifics

[str]

they actually do distinguish it ..it will say just "veterinarian" or "priv vet " and why .. WG was the former



also saratoga 4 @ 2:52 is off the turf and army gal (mto) is running #9 (3-1)

Wow. 50 years later .
so what was the reason stated ?

[JBEX]

That vet scratch means that the scratch was allowed to go through because in that short a field to begin with, no trainer can just decide to scratch. It has to be a clear reason. What is unclear is which vet and why.
The state vet when they did want to run and the morning exam went badly, or, the connections decided to scratch and had their vet call in an excuse to the Stewards?
The first one , a state vet scratch, is not at all good although it could mean the horse was sore or simply running a fever. One is not a big deal while the other is a huge deal.
So much grey area there is no way to tell without more information.

That is one of those things that really leaves the fan without a clue as to what really happened.

The lack of transparency with “ vet” scratches has always been bad. Typically, if interested, like to claim the horse for instance, there are ways available that I used to have at my disposal to find out if I really cared to. But for the fan, it’s just not available. That’s unfair and always has been. I suppose it’s one of those things that most fans don’t really care about but when a fan does, and gets stymied along the way, it can be frustrating to say the least.

Racing could and should address that. It is certainly more important than how much the horse weighs when they provide that information.
This should be fixed. I mentioned it in an HBPA meeting about 48 years ago when I was elected to the board but got laughed. I was so young compared to the other board members back then.
I served one term and quit. They were ridiculous. A complete waste of time for me.

they actually do distinguish it ..it will say just "veterinarian" or "priv vet " and why .. WG was the former



also saratoga 4 @ 2:52 is off the turf and army gal (mto) is running #9 (3-1)

[str]

said it was a vet scratch on the chart so at least it wasn't the connections deciding not to run

That vet scratch means that the scratch was allowed to go through because in that short a field to begin with, no trainer can just decide to scratch. It has to be a clear reason. What is unclear is which vet and why.
The state vet when they did want to run and the morning exam went badly, or, the connections decided to scratch and had their vet call in an excuse to the Stewards?
The first one , a state vet scratch, is not at all good although it could mean the horse was sore or simply running a fever. One is not a big deal while the other is a huge deal.
So much grey area there is no way to tell without more information.

That is one of those things that really leaves the fan without a clue as to what really happened.

The lack of transparency with “ vet” scratches has always been bad. Typically, if interested, like to claim the horse for instance, there are ways available that I used to have at my disposal to find out if I really cared to. But for the fan, it’s just not available. That’s unfair and always has been. I suppose it’s one of those things that most fans don’t really care about but when a fan does, and gets stymied along the way, it can be frustrating to say the least.

Racing could and should address that. It is certainly more important than how much the horse weighs when they provide that information.
This should be fixed. I mentioned it in an HBPA meeting about 48 years ago when I was elected to the board but got laughed at. I was so young compared to the other board members back then.
I served one term and quit. They were ridiculous. A complete waste of time for me.