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  • batt33
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    Originally posted by str
    Hers is a peek as to what Md. racing is in the midst of. Sad to see . I’m friends with all them. My frustration runs deep as all I see is disfunction . Now you can see why I was fine when the MTHA declined any affiliation with the non profit I am forming to help retired and semi retired backstretch workers.
    This is an article just written and posted about Md. racing :


    The next skirmish in the battle over the bylaws governing the Maryland Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association (MTHA) may be fought in an Anne Arundel County courthouse.

    Trainer John Robb sued the MTHA April 27, claiming two of its recent actions violate its own bylaws and are illegal. It’s the latest step in a multi-month fight that’s included dueling lawyers, a heated meeting, and efforts to involve state regulators.

    The larger question behind the struggle: Who should make decisions on behalf of Maryland’s horsemen, and whom should they represent?

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    Robb and other dissatisfied Laurel Park trainers, who claim to represent a “substantial and decisive majority” of Maryland horsemen, say they have been left out of the loop or ignored on important decisions.

    They have been pushing the MTHA to amend its bylaws in ways they claim will make the board of directors better informed, more responsive, and more representative of the trainers and owners with the most involvement in Maryland racing.

    But MTHA officials defend the board’s work and say the primary effects of the proposed changes would be to disenfranchise numerous owners and trainers and shrink the pool of potential board members. They portray it as an effort by Robb and others to take over the organization.

    Robb’s lawsuit followed a testy meeting March 19, when an effort at compromise ran aground. The MTHA board rejected one of the three proposed compromise bylaws and amended two others to – in the eyes of Robb and his supporters – weaken them.

    That led Robb to demand a special meeting of the membership and to seek the intervention of the Maryland Racing Commission, which declined to become involved.

    “Your allegations regarding MTHA’s corporate governance are not within the Commission’s jurisdiction,” Commission executive director Chris Merz wrote in a letter to Robb.

    The legal issue at hand in the lawsuit: whether the MTHA can require members seeking a special meeting to pay the costs of calling that meeting, which the organization estimates will amount to $15,000, and whether a bylaws amendment, which could it more difficult for members to change the bylaws and which the MTHA adopted April 15, well past the start of the current unpleasantness, should apply.

    Alan Foreman, general counsel for the MTHA, said both actions were at the advice of outside counsel the organization has retained to advise it in this matter.

    Under federal and state law, the MTHA, as the organization representing the majority of the state’s owners and trainers, plays a major role in the racing landscape, signing off on the import and export of simulcast feeds, overseeing the purse account, and more.

    Moreover, under the legislation enabling the Pimlico Plus project, it is the purse account that must backstop operating losses incurred by the nonprofit Maryland Jockey Club; that subsidy is projected to reach $18 million this year, sources said.

    The board currently is comprised of 15 members elected by the entire membership: seven owners, seven trainers, and one additional member, who is the top vote-getter not otherwise elected.

    Robb and his group are seeking three major amendments.

    The first would require that those only those owners who owned at least 25% of a horse or horses that made a combined total of at least 10 starts in Maryland in the preceding 12 months would be eligible either to vote or to serve on the board.

    The second is a similar restriction on trainers, requiring them to have, in the prior 12 months, made either 50% of their starts in Maryland or a total of at least 50 starts here to vote for or serve on the board.

    And the third is an unusual provision that would direct that, while both owners and trainers could vote for the owner representatives, only trainers may vote for the trainer representatives.

    The effort, said retired trainer Dale Capuano, who has advised the dissident group and who served a long tenure on the MTHA board, is designed to get “people that have a lot more skin in the game” onto the board.

    But MTHA president Katy Voss said the notion that current board members are insufficiently committed to Maryland racing is unfair.

    “You can’t find people that are more actively involved and heavily invested [in the industry]” than current board members, she said.

    Voss provided The Racing Biz an analysis claiming that the first two provisions would dramatically reduce – by, perhaps, as much as 85% in the case of owners – the number of owners and trainers who could vote or serve on the board. Some of those who would be rendered ineligible currently serve on the board.

    That, it seems, would be fine with many of the trainers, who portray the MTHA board as out-of-touch.

    “They were saying, ‘You guys can come here and say what you want, and then we figure it out together.’ But that’s not the truth,” said Jonathan Maldonado, a Laurel-based trainer. “If they decide they want something else, they make the decision. They always do whatever they want. I always thought that the board represents the whole community.”

    “There is no working with the general population of horsemen,” agreed Kenny Cox, another Laurel trainer. “When you do go to them, you always feel like you’re dismissed.”

    Their frustrations run the gamut: the size of the subsidy paid to the racetrack. Races that don’t fill. A racing strip that Maldonado said used to be “the best one on the East Coast” but is now too inconsistent. The imposition of the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Authority, which the MTHA’s umbrella group, the Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association, ultimately supported though many rank-and-file horsemen opposed it. The infrequency of open board meetings. Even the number of breaks during morning training.

    “There was a poll — one or two breaks — and it was pretty much unanimous [that] everyone just wanted the one break,” said trainer Hugh McMahon. “It was brought to the board, and they denied the one break. That’s not representation.”

    Voss, the MTHA president, believes the anger is more a result of challenging circumstances in the industry writ large than in anything the MTHA has done or failed to do.

    “I think that times are tough now, and it’s tough for a lot of people just trying to make ends meet in this business,” she said. “You’ve got a horse shortage, so we’re having a tough time filling races. A lot of times, you’re pointing for a race and it doesn’t go. I just think it’s total frustration.”

    Oddly enough, it was Robb, Voss, and Foreman, now opponents in this fight, who were among the leaders in the effort, 40 years ago, to unseat the Horsemen’s Benevolent and Protective Association as the local horseman’s group and replace it with the MTHA.

    For his part, Robb says, “I just want to get the MTHA back to what it was supposed to be, and the first thing I would do is start having monthly meetings again.”

    Voss and Foreman point out that it’s an election year for the MTHA board. All 15 seats are up.

    “We have an election this year, and we’ve told them, ‘Get your guy elected,’” Foreman said in an interview prior to the lawsuit. “Every other organization does it that way.”
    shaking my head STR I can understand your frustration...

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  • batt33
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    Originally posted by batt33
    Finally after a long wait nakoma races tomorrow!

    Good Luck Nakoma!



    Nakoma is set for her unveiling in the fourth race tomorrow at Belmont at the Big A. She’ll be the #2 and has been quoted at 5-1 on the morning line, which is probably a bit lower than we might have expected. Morning-line maker and DRF/TimeformUS handicapper David Aragona, who is considered very sharp, picks your filly second behind the #5 Only for Now.


    Nakoma Race Overview



    Nakoma will make her belated debut in the fourth race on Friday at Belmont at the Big A. She’s the #2 among a field of 7 (plus one main-track-only, but based on the current weather forecast they should stay on the grass). Post time is 2:40 p.m. ET. The race will be live-streamed on NYRA’s YouTube channel.

    We’ve been waiting for quite some time to see what this one can do, and are eager to get her going. Trainer Jena Antonucci is typically one who prefers to race her horses into fitness and let them learn as they go, though she can occasionally surprise with a newcomer and Nakoma has so much foundation that we would think she’s fairly fit at this stage. She’s also flashed speed in the mornings, which we’d hope to see from her in the afternoon as well.

    The surface is perhaps a question mark, and debuting on the grass mostly came down to race availability and distance, but the filly’s siblings have run well on turf and synthetic and Vekoma’s progeny are pretty versatile surface wise. Ultimately this race will be about giving Nakoma that first afternoon experience and getting a better gauge on her talent level.

    Good luck! See below for more on the competition:

    #1 Florida Patriot - Fellow firster by Vekoma fetched $125,000 last June off of a solid :10 flat breeze. Unraced dam is a full-sister to a G1SP juvenile and her one prior foal had speed and was a second-out winner on the dirt. Trainer Tom Morley wins at a solid 17% clip first out in turf sprints, good for a $3.39 ROI.

    #3 Angels Envy - Shortens up off of a pair of fourth-place runs in turf routes, once when rallying from far back and most recently after setting the pace here going a mile. She set very slow fractions in that last race and in general cutbacks are not very effective on the grass. Could go favored depending on the money the firsters take, but we’d side slightly against.

    #4 Jet Mist - Relatively pricey daughter of Frosted ($220K yearling) showed brief speed in her main-track unveiling before fading abruptly. Is half to a pair of stakes winners on the turf, but not sure that’s enough to give this one the nod.

    #5 Only for You - Homebred by super sire Not This Time out of a juvenile turf sprint graded stakes winner. Dam’s first foal finished second in her own debut. Must be respected for a hot barn that does well with firsters.

    #6 Time for You - Off the board in all four previous tries at various distances and on both turf and synthetic. Pretty exposed already; have to think some of these firsters will be better.

    #7 Cataenjo - $200K daughter of Into Mischief it out of a mare who was third in her debut on the grass but ultimately proved to be more of a dirt horse. Pedigree’s not screaming turf, but it’s Pletcher and Prat.



    Pretty happy how she ran...Can't complain. I loved the way she galloped out past the finish line!

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  • str
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    Hers is a peek as to what Md. racing is in the midst of. Sad to see . I’m friends with all them. My frustration runs deep as all I see is disfunction . Now you can see why I was fine when the MTHA declined any affiliation with the non profit I am forming to help retired and semi retired backstretch workers.
    This is an article just written and posted about Md. racing :


    The next skirmish in the battle over the bylaws governing the Maryland Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association (MTHA) may be fought in an Anne Arundel County courthouse.

    Trainer John Robb sued the MTHA April 27, claiming two of its recent actions violate its own bylaws and are illegal. It’s the latest step in a multi-month fight that’s included dueling lawyers, a heated meeting, and efforts to involve state regulators.

    The larger question behind the struggle: Who should make decisions on behalf of Maryland’s horsemen, and whom should they represent?

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    Robb and other dissatisfied Laurel Park trainers, who claim to represent a “substantial and decisive majority” of Maryland horsemen, say they have been left out of the loop or ignored on important decisions.

    They have been pushing the MTHA to amend its bylaws in ways they claim will make the board of directors better informed, more responsive, and more representative of the trainers and owners with the most involvement in Maryland racing.

    But MTHA officials defend the board’s work and say the primary effects of the proposed changes would be to disenfranchise numerous owners and trainers and shrink the pool of potential board members. They portray it as an effort by Robb and others to take over the organization.

    Robb’s lawsuit followed a testy meeting March 19, when an effort at compromise ran aground. The MTHA board rejected one of the three proposed compromise bylaws and amended two others to – in the eyes of Robb and his supporters – weaken them.

    That led Robb to demand a special meeting of the membership and to seek the intervention of the Maryland Racing Commission, which declined to become involved.

    “Your allegations regarding MTHA’s corporate governance are not within the Commission’s jurisdiction,” Commission executive director Chris Merz wrote in a letter to Robb.

    The legal issue at hand in the lawsuit: whether the MTHA can require members seeking a special meeting to pay the costs of calling that meeting, which the organization estimates will amount to $15,000, and whether a bylaws amendment, which could it more difficult for members to change the bylaws and which the MTHA adopted April 15, well past the start of the current unpleasantness, should apply.

    Alan Foreman, general counsel for the MTHA, said both actions were at the advice of outside counsel the organization has retained to advise it in this matter.

    Under federal and state law, the MTHA, as the organization representing the majority of the state’s owners and trainers, plays a major role in the racing landscape, signing off on the import and export of simulcast feeds, overseeing the purse account, and more.

    Moreover, under the legislation enabling the Pimlico Plus project, it is the purse account that must backstop operating losses incurred by the nonprofit Maryland Jockey Club; that subsidy is projected to reach $18 million this year, sources said.

    The board currently is comprised of 15 members elected by the entire membership: seven owners, seven trainers, and one additional member, who is the top vote-getter not otherwise elected.

    Robb and his group are seeking three major amendments.

    The first would require that those only those owners who owned at least 25% of a horse or horses that made a combined total of at least 10 starts in Maryland in the preceding 12 months would be eligible either to vote or to serve on the board.

    The second is a similar restriction on trainers, requiring them to have, in the prior 12 months, made either 50% of their starts in Maryland or a total of at least 50 starts here to vote for or serve on the board.

    And the third is an unusual provision that would direct that, while both owners and trainers could vote for the owner representatives, only trainers may vote for the trainer representatives.

    The effort, said retired trainer Dale Capuano, who has advised the dissident group and who served a long tenure on the MTHA board, is designed to get “people that have a lot more skin in the game” onto the board.

    But MTHA president Katy Voss said the notion that current board members are insufficiently committed to Maryland racing is unfair.

    “You can’t find people that are more actively involved and heavily invested [in the industry]” than current board members, she said.

    Voss provided The Racing Biz an analysis claiming that the first two provisions would dramatically reduce – by, perhaps, as much as 85% in the case of owners – the number of owners and trainers who could vote or serve on the board. Some of those who would be rendered ineligible currently serve on the board.

    That, it seems, would be fine with many of the trainers, who portray the MTHA board as out-of-touch.

    “They were saying, ‘You guys can come here and say what you want, and then we figure it out together.’ But that’s not the truth,” said Jonathan Maldonado, a Laurel-based trainer. “If they decide they want something else, they make the decision. They always do whatever they want. I always thought that the board represents the whole community.”

    “There is no working with the general population of horsemen,” agreed Kenny Cox, another Laurel trainer. “When you do go to them, you always feel like you’re dismissed.”

    Their frustrations run the gamut: the size of the subsidy paid to the racetrack. Races that don’t fill. A racing strip that Maldonado said used to be “the best one on the East Coast” but is now too inconsistent. The imposition of the Horseracing Integrity and Safety Authority, which the MTHA’s umbrella group, the Thoroughbred Horsemen’s Association, ultimately supported though many rank-and-file horsemen opposed it. The infrequency of open board meetings. Even the number of breaks during morning training.

    “There was a poll — one or two breaks — and it was pretty much unanimous [that] everyone just wanted the one break,” said trainer Hugh McMahon. “It was brought to the board, and they denied the one break. That’s not representation.”

    Voss, the MTHA president, believes the anger is more a result of challenging circumstances in the industry writ large than in anything the MTHA has done or failed to do.

    “I think that times are tough now, and it’s tough for a lot of people just trying to make ends meet in this business,” she said. “You’ve got a horse shortage, so we’re having a tough time filling races. A lot of times, you’re pointing for a race and it doesn’t go. I just think it’s total frustration.”

    Oddly enough, it was Robb, Voss, and Foreman, now opponents in this fight, who were among the leaders in the effort, 40 years ago, to unseat the Horsemen’s Benevolent and Protective Association as the local horseman’s group and replace it with the MTHA.

    For his part, Robb says, “I just want to get the MTHA back to what it was supposed to be, and the first thing I would do is start having monthly meetings again.”

    Voss and Foreman point out that it’s an election year for the MTHA board. All 15 seats are up.

    “We have an election this year, and we’ve told them, ‘Get your guy elected,’” Foreman said in an interview prior to the lawsuit. “Every other organization does it that way.”

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  • batt33
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    Finally after a long wait nakoma races tomorrow!

    Good Luck Nakoma!



    Nakoma is set for her unveiling in the fourth race tomorrow at Belmont at the Big A. She’ll be the #2 and has been quoted at 5-1 on the morning line, which is probably a bit lower than we might have expected. Morning-line maker and DRF/TimeformUS handicapper David Aragona, who is considered very sharp, picks your filly second behind the #5 Only for Now.


    Nakoma Race Overview



    Nakoma will make her belated debut in the fourth race on Friday at Belmont at the Big A. She’s the #2 among a field of 7 (plus one main-track-only, but based on the current weather forecast they should stay on the grass). Post time is 2:40 p.m. ET. The race will be live-streamed on NYRA’s YouTube channel.

    We’ve been waiting for quite some time to see what this one can do, and are eager to get her going. Trainer Jena Antonucci is typically one who prefers to race her horses into fitness and let them learn as they go, though she can occasionally surprise with a newcomer and Nakoma has so much foundation that we would think she’s fairly fit at this stage. She’s also flashed speed in the mornings, which we’d hope to see from her in the afternoon as well.

    The surface is perhaps a question mark, and debuting on the grass mostly came down to race availability and distance, but the filly’s siblings have run well on turf and synthetic and Vekoma’s progeny are pretty versatile surface wise. Ultimately this race will be about giving Nakoma that first afternoon experience and getting a better gauge on her talent level.

    Good luck! See below for more on the competition:

    #1 Florida Patriot - Fellow firster by Vekoma fetched $125,000 last June off of a solid :10 flat breeze. Unraced dam is a full-sister to a G1SP juvenile and her one prior foal had speed and was a second-out winner on the dirt. Trainer Tom Morley wins at a solid 17% clip first out in turf sprints, good for a $3.39 ROI.

    #3 Angels Envy - Shortens up off of a pair of fourth-place runs in turf routes, once when rallying from far back and most recently after setting the pace here going a mile. She set very slow fractions in that last race and in general cutbacks are not very effective on the grass. Could go favored depending on the money the firsters take, but we’d side slightly against.

    #4 Jet Mist - Relatively pricey daughter of Frosted ($220K yearling) showed brief speed in her main-track unveiling before fading abruptly. Is half to a pair of stakes winners on the turf, but not sure that’s enough to give this one the nod.

    #5 Only for You - Homebred by super sire Not This Time out of a juvenile turf sprint graded stakes winner. Dam’s first foal finished second in her own debut. Must be respected for a hot barn that does well with firsters.

    #6 Time for You - Off the board in all four previous tries at various distances and on both turf and synthetic. Pretty exposed already; have to think some of these firsters will be better.

    #7 Cataenjo - $200K daughter of Into Mischief it out of a mare who was third in her debut on the grass but ultimately proved to be more of a dirt horse. Pedigree’s not screaming turf, but it’s Pletcher and Prat.



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  • JBEX
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    Originally posted by batt33

    If they did it..might as well place and astrek by any future triple crown winner.... takes away from great horses....
    1919 Sir Barton
    1930 Gallant Fox
    1935 Omaha
    1937 War Admiral
    1941 Whirlaway
    1943 Count Fleet
    1946 Assault
    1948 Citation
    1973 Secretariat
    1977 Seattle Slew
    1978 Affirmed
    2015 American Pharoah
    2018 Justify
    I think they need to call them something different because the spacing is different .. maybe " the classics" and you're going for a sweep of them .. needs to be distinguished from the old format in my opinion

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  • batt33
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    Bacio remains in good order today. Check out the accompanying video for more straight from trainer Wesley Ward (apologies for the audio quality—it was a windy morning in Kentucky).

    As you’ll hear from Wesley, he has his eyes on the Palace of Holyroodhouse Stakes on Friday, June 19 at Royal Ascot for your colt’s next start.



    This handicap event is a true five-furlong dash. Wesley expects Bacio to be very tough to beat in that spot, and he likes as it as prep for another exciting target as it will give Bacio experience on a straightaway course (some races overseas are run on courses with no turns).

    Assuming he runs to expectations at Royal Ascot, Bacio would stay in Europe and train there towards a start in the G2 King George S. at Goodwood on July 31. That prestigious race is a straightaway, downhill, five-furlong event that favors speed horses and should play to Bacio’s strengths.

    After that, Bacio would head home to freshen up and point for something in the States—hopefully the G1 Breeders’ Cup Turf Sprint if he’s proven up to the challenge.

    Of course, plans could change or be adjusted along the way, but that’s Wesley’s thinking at the moment. For now, Bacio will enjoy an easy stretch at the farm as he prepares for his big trip across the pond.

    Bacio Beyer Figure



    Bacio’s Beyer Speed Figure has been released, and he earned a solid number of 92. That’s in line with what we expected and is a strong figure for a 3-year-old turf sprinter at this point of the year. By comparison, the recent Palisades S. at Keeneland was won with

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  • batt33
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    Originally posted by batt33

    Ran like he has been training!
    Seizing the lead from the get-go while taking a bit of pressure from second choice and eventual runner-up Skellig Michael, your grey posted legitimate splits of :23.73 and :46.10. He began to inch away from his pursuer leaving the turn, but did shift out sharply into the lane when given a left-handed reminder by pilot Nik Juarez. Caldera still had a pretty good buffer on Skellig Michael, and righted the ship quickly to kick clear and report home 6 1/4 lengths to the good in 1:37.53.

    As mentioned beforehand, the plan was to get this first start back under Caldera’s belt before wading back into deeper waters. We’ll see how he exits this effort and huddle up soon with trainer Saffie Joseph, Jr.--who was quick to give much of the credit to Mr. Lukas--to pick a next target.
    Caldera Update



    We checked in with trainer Saffie Joseph Jr. as he has returned to Florida following Kentucky Derby week. Caldera remains in good order out of his dominant comeback win. Our plan will be to target a second-level allowance next, which will likely take Caldera on the road for his next race, and then from there hopefully it’s stakes from there on out.

    The last three notable second-level allowance races were won with 97 (Original Sin @ Keeneland), 96 (Vibe @ Churchill) and 95 (Bramito @ Aqueduct) Beyer Speed Figures, so our son of Liam’s Map will need to take a step forward next out, but with a race under his belt we feel that is well within reach.

    We do think it makes more sense to run back in an allowance race as the reality is that Caldera faced pretty weak competition in that return race. While he won convincingly, he should have if he’s the horse we think he is and can be. That race was also around one turn and it would be nice to get another race around two turns against allowance company before jumping back into the deep end. This measured approach will increase his chances to perform at the higher levels as we continue to climb the class ladder.

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  • batt33
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    Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

    As an outsider, I've made this comment b4. They should (seemingly) stretch out the series to allow longer recovery-time.
    If they did it..might as well place and astrek by any future triple crown winner.... takes away from great horses....
    1919 Sir Barton
    1930 Gallant Fox
    1935 Omaha
    1937 War Admiral
    1941 Whirlaway
    1943 Count Fleet
    1946 Assault
    1948 Citation
    1973 Secretariat
    1977 Seattle Slew
    1978 Affirmed
    2015 American Pharoah
    2018 Justify

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  • batt33
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    Originally posted by str
    Is anyone surprised that the Derby winner will skip the Preakness?
    No... If she thought she had a shot she would take it.....

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  • JBEX
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    Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

    As an outsider, I've made this comment b4. They should (seemingly) stretch out the series to allow longer recovery-time.
    in my opinion space them a month apart and that moves the belmont back 3 weeks to the final week of june..
    you probably wouldn't run in the haskell after the belmont as it's a little soon (unless they push that back a week or two) but it lines up nicely with the saratoga big 2 which are the jim dandy and travers .. sure we've discussed this before and I like the idea chucky .. fits modern racing much better and you'd certainly get more horses in the preakness with that schedule

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  • JBEX
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    meant to quote str post 2 above


    worked for sovereignty last year and he won the derby with a similar running style .. you get a chance to go the derby distance in the belmont again at saratoga (for the last time) off 5 weeks rest and 6 weeks off prior to the derby worked well for GT .. if things go well in the belmont you'll be fresher for the jim dandy and the travers which also overlaps what sovereignty did

    as much as I would've liked to see him run in the preakness ,I think for the above reasons , skipping it makes some sense





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  • ChuckyTheGoat
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    Originally posted by str
    Is anyone surprised that the Derby winner will skip the Preakness?
    As an outsider, I've made this comment b4. They should (seemingly) stretch out the series to allow longer recovery-time.

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  • str
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    Is anyone surprised that the Derby winner will skip the Preakness?

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  • str
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    Looks like a full field for the Preakness.

    Good for them. I find myself rooting for them of course, but man there are somethings I see going on that are sickening in my book.

    Can't elaborate but it's detrimental to the game as well as it's participants IMHO.

    But... let's stay positive right ? I'll try harder.

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  • batt33
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    Originally posted by str

    I can't begin to try and describe it. Here is just one snipit.

    Every morning around sunrise, actually just before, a flock of geese would fly in to the Laurel pond from a pond about 4-5 miles away ( as the goose flies), where they went every afternoon when the races ran . On dark days, they flew about an hour before sunset.

    Fast forward from 1976 when I realized it when I first started training, they still do exactly that. I know because my house is about half way in between the two. So darn cool.


    Reminds me of back in the day everyday. Not sad I'm not there anymore. Just so thankful I once was.
    STR and I have chatted about this( he did it for ages.... I had a chance to enjoy for a few) but to para phrase..... up too early.... open the door to start up the car....smell the ocean breeze(yes some smells you just associate with the track DELMAR!)off to the track.....San L Buzzabout the barn as staff and horses know it's training time....(I was ONLY involved and with the grace of my cousin involved with the prep of horses for the 2 year old and training sales) smell of leather smell of straw..... (not going to mention the other lol) grooms HARD at work... riders show up instructions given... saddle up and off to training! sip of coffee wow what a wonderful feeling.... How lucky was I... pretty dang!!!

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  • str
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    Originally posted by Snowball

    sorry for quoting myself but I feel good today. Watched it later on DVR. And the youtube stuff.
    Race played out like I thought it would on the most serious bet which was Golden Tempo.
    Good thing I put i some Ocelli on the Show also. But I wish two things...
    1) I went even deeper on 19.
    2) I put Remegade with the 19 (instead I put 6 others)

    Will check my balance Monday as I get the +25% boost from BetAmerica/TwinSpires bonus they were running. Although that caps off at $50. Basically one every week they run now. Only on Win,Exacta,Tri,Super.
    The biggest factor in this Derby was lack of experience especially at the 10 furlongs.
    Also some bumping affected the Middle which helped Ocelli (he bumped Commandment who bumped Chief Wallabee)
    But Golden Tempo was going past them in the final furlong anyway. Congrats to Jose and Cheri.
    Congrats also to Renegade and Ocelli. Renegade is a beast at long distance and a closer fully established now. Ocelli is out of the weeds. Notes: Don't be lazy with your own work and opinions, what does that mean? It means watching Youtube videos and reading and podcasts in the biggest races GETS OUT OF HAND. Too many opinions and you might not think they affect you but they linger in your actions, like making me distribute to the main others too much. ALthough there were a few who picked the winner -- Emily Gullickson, Vosburgh Report, Nate Shepherd. Esp. Emily who made 19 her only pick. I had already settled on 19 without them but I still enjoy seeing what others say... it's a double-edged sword, though... and also I don't know how much to takeaway on the Rail at the Derby because Renegade's massive comeback was a lot more about him than about fading the Rail going wrong. It didn't go wrong at all, it was just that Renegade and Irad were beasts. Also Danon Bourbon impressive. Six Speed at 1m or less. On to the next day and thanks for letting me intrude into your thread again.
    That’s a great job Snowball !!
    Happy to see you cash.
    Very well done.

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  • BOA12
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    Originally posted by str

    I can't begin to try and describe it. Here is just one snipit.

    Every morning around sunrise, actually just before, a flock of geese would fly in to the Laurel pond from a pond about 4-5 miles away ( as the goose flies), where they went every afternoon when the races ran . On dark days, they flew about an hour before sunset.

    Fast forward from 1976 when I realized it when I first started training, they still do exactly that. I know because my house is about half way in between the two. So darn cool.


    Reminds me of back in the day everyday. Not sad I'm not there anymore. Just so thankful I once was.

    1976 I started playing horses " full time " as my past time.

    I was playing, you were working.

    Always been an early riser, haven't missed many sunrises, my best time to shine.

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  • str
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    Originally posted by BOA12


    Self employed and working outdoors very gratifying an added plus.
    I can't begin to try and describe it. Here is just one snipit.

    Every morning around sunrise, actually just before, a flock of geese would fly in to the Laurel pond from a pond about 4-5 miles away ( as the goose flies), where they went every afternoon when the races ran . On dark days, they flew about an hour before sunset.

    Fast forward from 1976 when I realized it when I first started training, they still do exactly that. I know because my house is about half way in between the two. So darn cool.


    Reminds me of back in the day everyday. Not sad I'm not there anymore. Just so thankful I once was.

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  • BOA12
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    Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

    Very cool. There's a reason you guys did it.

    Like anything, success is directly tied to the time you put into it. Has to be VERY gratifying to see your horse cross the wire in 1st.

    Self employed and working outdoors very gratifying an added plus.

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  • BOA12
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    Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
    Props, Snowball. Not too many had 19. Nice hit!

    And NOBODY has 22. 22 shocks and hits the board. Made for a huge Tri payout.


    i know one guy who had #22 for 3rd ( didn't hit )

    in his tri ,

    known as an ALL ticket.

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  • ChuckyTheGoat
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    Something I didn't pick up on at first: *Irad Ortiz Jr (2nd) did acknowledge his brother Jose (1st) after they crossed the wire. Very nice gesture. Not too many people appreciate how much preparation goes into a race.

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  • ChuckyTheGoat
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    Props, Snowball. Not too many had 19. Nice hit!

    And NOBODY has 22. 22 shocks and hits the board. Made for a huge Tri payout.

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  • ChuckyTheGoat
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    Originally posted by str

    I can still close my eyes and smell that morning air. The closest to thing to heaven I suppose.
    Very cool. There's a reason you guys did it.

    Like anything, success is directly tied to the time you put into it. Has to be VERY gratifying to see your horse cross the wire in 1st.

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  • JBEX
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    Originally posted by JBEX

    with smaller field and a reasonable pace i think he will be tough with whoever winds up running in it .. guess waiting for the belmont also has some merit considering all the travel he's done .. 5 weeks off and being up at saratoga might be a good refresher for him
    5 weeks since he raced in japan and 5 weeks to the belmont .. does make some sense

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  • JBEX
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    Originally posted by Jellymancan

    Super impressed by danon bourbons effort yesterday. Looked great pre race as well.
    with smaller field and a reasonable pace i think he will be tough with whoever winds up running in it .. guess waiting for the belmont also has some merit considering all the travel he's done .. 5 weeks off and being up at saratoga might be a good refresher for him

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  • Jellymancan
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    Originally posted by JBEX
    danon bourbon (jpn) got a perfect prep for the preakness the way he ran .. think he'll go off lower than golden tempo assuming that one runs .. not an automatic anymore (sovereignty)
    Super impressed by danon bourbons effort yesterday. Looked great pre race as well.

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  • BOA12
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    Originally posted by stevenash
    Go right to the source and ask the horse
    He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse
    He's always on a steady course
    Talk to Mr. Ed

    Post the way I do

    in honor of Ed & wilburr Post

    par 4 any horse course.

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  • JBEX
    replied
    danon bourbon (jpn) got a perfect prep for the preakness the way he ran .. think he'll go off lower than golden tempo assuming that one runs .. not an automatic anymore (sovereignty)

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  • stevenash
    replied
    Go right to the source and ask the horse
    He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse
    He's always on a steady course
    Talk to Mr. Ed

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  • BOA12
    replied
    Originally posted by Snowball

    This is all I do now. No more human sports. Since the tennis stars got old or injured, the other league pros got old and retired, I didn't feel like putting in the effort to learn all the new players. Plus I got sour on NFL. Totally ignored March Madness. Just this for the last year but more seriously than ever in decades past, even though I started betting dogs and horses in the mid-1980's, now it's my daily thing. I've gotten to know them like we know the players and jockeys and trainers like qb's and coaches, etc. Got my "stable" watchiist. The cold pick 6 at Tampa I only bet 20 cents on. Weekday and low pot but man. If I bet more on that. Hit a lot of Supers too, even in Harness. Just betting small, though. This is where I'm staying now. This is the best sport today. IMO.
    Soured on the nba in the 80's.

    Nfl 2 years ago.

    Have to play march madness a little.

    Mlb will make or break me.

    Horses, #1 because it's fun for my daily fix.

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  • Snowball
    replied
    Originally posted by BOA12


    Your pitcher and cup runs over like A pot of gold.
    This is all I do now. No more human sports. Since the tennis stars got old or injured, the other league pros got old and retired, I didn't feel like putting in the effort to learn all the new players. Plus I got sour on NFL. Totally ignored March Madness. Just this for the last year but more seriously than ever in decades past, even though I started betting dogs and horses in the mid-1980's, now it's my daily thing. I've gotten to know them like we know the players and jockeys and trainers like qb's and coaches, etc. Got my "stable" watchiist. The cold pick 6 at Tampa I only bet 20 cents on. Weekday and low pot but man. If I bet more on that. Hit a lot of Supers too, even in Harness. Just betting small, though. This is where I'm staying now. This is the best sport today. IMO.

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  • BOA12
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    Originally posted by stevenash

    Known 2b longwinded but never a blowhard.
    A man of few words

    that says alot


    The Element's Of Style.

    BOL BOS.

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  • BOA12
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    Originally posted by Snowball

    thanks BOA. And Nash. I just found out I also had Golden Tempo amongst my 4 futures picks. More Boom.
    They were Paladin, Brandt, Dr Kapur and Golden Tempo.

    Your pitcher and cup runs over like A pot of gold.

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  • stevenash
    replied
    Originally posted by BOA12


    known 2B loud but polite.
    Known 2b longwinded but never a blowhard.

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  • BOA12
    replied
    Originally posted by stevenash

    Nash, the 2nd widest poster

    known 2B loud but polite.

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