Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

posted today's results 11229 .. nothing friday

[JBEX]

thursday
by army mule @ baq,cd or gulfstream

baq 3 (2:10)
7 army gal (3-1)


baq 8 (4:40)
7 backstretch rose (8-1)

[str]

If you are interested in Maryland racing in the late 70’s or later, and the accuracy of this article, you have come to the right place. I was a top 10 trainer there in 1978. Bernie and Bill were both acquaintances and fellow trainers then. Bobby Pineda was among the riders I used as well as Herbie and others.

Like most articles, this does have some truth within it but also, incorrect information. Not knocking as that is rather typical.

Having left the game mentally in 1992 and physically in early 2001, when it comes to Md. racing and what happened there with drug use in that era, I know a little bit about it. Happy to answer a specific question if it helps.

[str]

If anyone is interested:


I wanted to share a post I saw somewhere else with you folks. I am providing a link below that will take you to an article written way back in 1978 about Maryland racing and the " Drug" usage. If you are interested, read the article and I will follow up in the next post with my initial response.

https://archive.ph/YUJbd

[JBEX]

will continue following horses by ARMY MULE through october (breeders cup friday 10/31) but only in NY,KY and FLA and out of town stakes .. will put up the horses in each new post and record the results in this one through september..start a new one in october .. leave an opt out option for the end of this month if I decide to stop .. this will probably be it for posting and recording results for his progeny

no details about bad trips (including starts) but may mention close finishes ..going to number each entry so if I want to mention something can do it below the results and have a reference to the race..also it will keep a count of the number of plays

baq .. belmont at aqueduct
cdn .. churchill downs
gpk .. gulfstream park
san .. santa anita
prx .. pa derby day (explained 11259)

churchill ends next sunday (reopens 10/26) so I will replace it with santa anita which opens next friday .. I will not post entries for the few days of churchill leading up to the breeders cup

* SL sloppy / MU muddy / OT off turf
* top 4 will give field size..4/12 = 4th of 12
* 1st 4 letters of name (instead of 6)

worth considering weds and thursday there's typically 3 cards combined so really like it's 1 day .. obviously friday through sunday 3 cards/day


example

3) mo0908 cd 5 xxxx (5-2) out [7-1]

monday/sept 8/churcill R5 /horse*/ml/result
/final odds

________________

** comment below

01) th0911 baq 3 army (3-1) WON $8.82
02) th0911 baq 8 back(8-1) scratched
xx) fr0912 nothing
03) sa0913 cdn 2 wond(5-1) out [2-1]
04) sa0913 lrl 6 disc(10-1) scratched **
05) sa0913 woo 9 stan (10-1) out [18-1] **
06) su0914 baq 3 reme (15-1) 4/6 [25-1]
07) su0914 cdn 1 hope (10-1) out [46-1]MU
08) su0914 cdn 2 bour (20-1) out [29-1] MU
09) su0914 cdn 3 flic(6-1) 4/12 [9-1] MU
10) su0914 cdn 5 colo(4-1) 4/8 [6-1]MU
xx) mo0915 tu0916 off days
11) we0917 cdn 1 broo (5-2) WON $3.74
xx) th0918 nothing
xx) fr0919 nothing
12) sa0920 prx 2 miss (8-1) 4/10 [10-1]
13) sa0920 prx 6 ceep (4-1) out [5-1]
14) su0921 cdn 8 hill (5-2) WON $3.46
15) mo0922 fin 8 part (3-1) 3/9 [5-2]
xx) tu0923 nothing
16) we0924 cdn 1 mast (10-1) 2/6 [5-1] MU
17) we0924 cdn 8 grad (8-1) scratch
xx) th0925 nothing
18) fr0926 san 2 sain (5-1) WON $19.20
19) sa0927 baq 3 shad (8-1) out [7-1]
20) sa0927 del 8 disc (5-1) 4/4 [10-1] **
21) su0928 baq 1 reme (15-1) scratched
22) su0928 cdn 4 my s (8-1) 2/10 [7-1]
23) su0928 rem 4 doub (15-1) out [45-1] **


added a couple of parx plays to end the month so will record them

24) mo0929 prx 6 pam p (4-1) [5-2]
25) tu0930 prx 9 forw (4-1) WON $6.80

[JBEX]

nothing tomorrow

[JBEX]

nothing tomorrow..today's results posted

[JBEX]

army girl (11224) is scratched

[JBEX]

I think I have come to the realization that I do NOT like the Breeders Cup format.

Sure , it is a really cool day. No doubt. BUT, There are so darn many great, historic races that get bypassed or watered down with 2nd stringers due to the fact that trainers are not willing to run their big name horses 7-9 times a year.
Now I'm not knocking any trainer for aiming for a race that typically lofts the winner to horse of the year in that category. I totally get that and would be doing the same thing if it was me. But look what it does to the year full of historic races.
I hate to make a list of these races because I will leave some historic races off, but I don't personally think that winning one race in November makes you a champion. It should be the best horse that year, NOT the best horse that day in early November.

I'm just ranting I guess but remember when the Champagne Stakes really meant something ? Or, the Sapling and the Sorority Stakes were a big deal? The filly and Mare Delaware Handicap? The Carter? Most are just races and some are no longer running. The Preakness was special? I mentioned to the Head of the Md. racing Comm. that I was worried the Maryland was pouring over half a Billion dollars into Pimlico and if Md. isn't careful, the Preakness might be a Grade 2 before too long. Was it really a grade 1 this year? I guess, but not by much IMO.

I'll stop ranting now.

I sound like a cranky old trainer that the game is passing by.

Uh, oh. .....







Never mind.

Happy first week of the NFL season everybody.

agree..as great as these races are they minimize the importance of the big races leading up to them .. bc races will always be "too" important in deciding division championships
..let the best horses meet up over the course of the year and decide it based on this..if some of the these horses don't cross paths then break down their records and each voter comes up with their decision ..will never happen but I think it's a better way to do it

[JBEX]

final week ..only colonial and monmouth left

previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134/
11172/11203/11211


week 11 .. 9/8 - 9/14

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post

results and tomorrow's entries posted at the same time


9/8 monday ****

parx 1 (12:40)
1 amy mule (7-2)
WON $5.60

horseshoe 3 (3:12)
7 army girl (12-1)
scratched

prarie meadows 7 (6:03)
2 kissed a cadet (3-1)
2nd @ 17-1

9/9 tuesday ****

nothing

9/10 wednesday ****

nothing

9/11 thursday ****

nothing

9/12 friday ****

nothing

9/13 saturday ****

monmouth 8 (4:06)
4 bel pensiero (7-2) 3rd @ 5-2
7 molly's a bullet (15-1) 5th @ 46-1 *
full siblings

* 11 horse field .. < 1 length 3rd

9/14 sunday****


that's a wrap

[str]

I think I have come to the realization that I do NOT like the Breeders Cup format.

Sure , it is a really cool day. No doubt. BUT, There are so darn many great, historic races that get bypassed or watered down with 2nd stringers due to the fact that trainers are not willing to run their big name horses 7-9 times a year.
Now I'm not knocking any trainer for aiming for a race that typically lofts the winner to horse of the year in that category. I totally get that and would be doing the same thing if it was me. But look what it does to the year full of historic races.
I hate to make a list of these races because I will leave some historic races off, but I don't personally think that winning one race in November makes you a champion. It should be the best horse that year, NOT the best horse that day in early November.

I'm just ranting I guess but remember when the Champagne Stakes really meant something ? Or, the Sapling and the Sorority Stakes were a big deal? The filly and Mare Delaware Handicap? The Carter? Most are just races and some are no longer running. The Preakness was special? I mentioned to the Head of the Md. racing Comm. that I was worried the Maryland was pouring over half a Billion dollars into Pimlico and if Md. isn't careful, the Preakness might be a Grade 2 before too long. Was it really a grade 1 this year? I guess, but not by much IMO.

I'll stop ranting now.

I sound like a cranky old trainer that the game is passing by.

Uh, oh. .....







Never mind.

Happy first week of the NFL season everybody.

[JBEX]

nothing on saturday for AM

nothing sunday

[JBEX]

nothing on saturday for AM

[JBEX]

A win, two seconds, a third and a forth with 5 starters.

Not too shabby.

Thanks JBEX.

no problem str ..just to clarify I only post the listed tracks (except mon,tue and stakes) but yesterday looked at them all .. gave str the others he mentioned..actually it was 4 altogether with 1st,2nd,3rd and far back ..winner at delaware was real impressive

[str]

A win, two seconds, a third and a forth with 5 starters.

Not too shabby.

Thanks JBEX.

[JBEX]

posted result .. nothing tomorrow

[JBEX]

1 play thursday added ..11211

entry

[JBEX]

1 play thursday added ..11211

[JBEX]

nothing weds

[JBEX]

updated today .. nothing tomorrow 11211

[JBEX]

added parx 1 5

[JBEX]

posted monday's entries above (new week)and sunday's results in last week's .. post 11203

[JBEX]

ellis meet over
saratoga last day


previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134/
11172/11203


week 10 .. 9/1 - 9/7

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post

results and tomorrow's entries posted at the same time


9/1 monday ****

parx 1 (12:40)
3 fast mule (4-1)
3rd @ 7-1 .. 5 horse field

thistledown 4 (2:20)
1 holiday's army brat (9-5)
2nd @ even .. by a head in a 3 horse field

parx 5 (2:28)
6 mission first (6-1)
WON $3.20

timonium 8 (3:41)
6 hooraw (5-1)
out @ 8-1

saratoga 9 (4:42) 2yo G1
6 soldier n diplomat (6-1)
4th @ 11-1 .. distant in a 7 horse field

9/2 tuesday ****

nothing

9/3 wednesday ****

nothing

9/4 thursday ****

colonial 1 (12:30)
1 splash of jack (9-2)
2nd @ 7-2

9/5 friday ****

nothing

9/6 saturday ****

nothing

9/7 sunday ****

nothing

[str]

I have not looked through the pp’s for todays card. So no opinion here. Sorry.
Hope you have a good day at the races.

GL

[Snowball]

Hope you had a productive day Snowball.

Glad you are searching for value. Picking winners is one thing, but finding value within your picks is pretty darned important as well. Picking winners, finding value, money management. Can't go wrong with those three things.

hit 3 shows out of 4 so far today. 2 average, 2.80, one at 5.90.
sticking with Saratoga's last day now. Going over the Brisnet pp's for each race.
still undecided about the big race although I expect SL and MF to be in charge late, I may shop for value with PF or WA.
what do you think

[JBEX]

will only be doing the army mule runners posts for about 2 more weeks and monday saratoga closes so they'll only be 3 tracks left..from here on out I'm not going to handicap these horses..it will just be a notification that they are running .. obviously I wouldn't bother doing this if I didn't like the sire so I feel going into any race you have that edge going for you just by playing his progeny

[str]

Spirit Doll here @ 19-1 in Saratoga R11
she is a fast horse I won with her last time
these 2 year old fillies
having a good day, hit a could not believe bet on harness someone loaded a horse to show fat fingered way out of line
and it did not show so I got a 18 on 2 there. plus i nailed a tri at KD.
Derby at KD they put Sandman and Wimbledon Hawkeye on top
cannot agree there but if Sandman does it good for him
just don't like the value. Tiztastic has value. later gl's

Hope you had a productive day Snowball.

Glad you are searching for value. Picking winners is one thing, but finding value within your picks is pretty darned important as well. Picking winners, finding value, money management. Can't go wrong with those three things.

[JBEX]

army mule results for today and entries for tomorrow 11203

[Snowball]

Spirit Doll here @ 19-1 in Saratoga R11
she is a fast horse I won with her last time
these 2 year old fillies
having a good day, hit a could not believe bet on harness someone loaded a horse to show fat fingered way out of line
and it did not show so I got a 18 on 2 there. plus i nailed a tri at KD.
Derby at KD they put Sandman and Wimbledon Hawkeye on top
cannot agree there but if Sandman does it good for him
just don't like the value. Tiztastic has value. later gl's

[str]

Headed out to another fire.... just a quick update on Black tie affair

Black Tie Optional Update



Good news: Black Tie Optional’s nuclear scan came back clean. He’s jogging sound currently on the shank, so Team Baffert plans to give him a few more days and then start him back under tack. We’ll see how he responds and looks at that point, but hopefully this minor blip is behind us.

Good luck and hope you and your crew stay safe Batt

[JBEX]

NEW PAGE


previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134/11172


week 9 .. 8/25-8/31

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/25 monday ****

horseshoe 3 (3:12)
5 army girl (10-1)
out @ 16-1


8/26 tuesday ****

parx 3 (1:34)
1 pam pam (8-5)
3rd @ 7-5 .. 5 horse field

horseshoe 2 (2:41)
6 master mule (3-1)
out @ 8-5

finger lakes 6 (3:25)
4 trojan mule (6-1)
3rd @ 7-1 ..head from 2nd..5 horse field

horseshoe 4 (3:43)
9 army chic (20-1)
3rd @ 14-1 .. missed 2nd by head..got 3rd by a nose..big field

8/27 wednesday ****

nothing at the 2 tracks going

8/28 thursday ****

kentucky downs 9 (5:57)
11 grade a (9-2)
4th @ 5-1 .. 12 horse field

8/29 friday ****

saratoga 5 (2:47)
2 party in the army (4-1)
2nd @ 5-1

del mar 7 (9:01)
8 barbara t (9-2)
out @ 3-1

8/30 saturday ****

kentucky downs 2 (12:57)
1 ground support (30-1)
WON $203.20 (100-1)

kentucky downs 8 (4:14)
4 danse macabre (15-1)
out @ 13-1


8/31 sunday ****

saratoga 7 (2:55)
3 paige turner (8-1)
2nd @ 6-1

saratoga 11 (5:11)
4 army proud (5-1)
3rd @ 3-1 ..nose 2nd .. 1+ lengths from winner

kentucky downs 8 (5:23)
5 my stubborn lassie (15-1)
WON $34.56 .. 3456

.

[JBEX]

added tomorrow's and results for today ..11187

[str]

Thanks for your take on this. I have not heard of any suspension on that jockey. The eventually winner via DQ of the 8 was the 2- Ruse (ML 12-1, went off at 24-1). The daily double paid $137. The 8- Fredo (ML 15-1, went off at 21-1), yet DD would have paid $259. It seems a bit strange to me. While I’m still not totally agreeing with the call, I am just upset that caused me one grand. I think if the jockey were Prat, that objection probably wouldn’t have been called IMO. This jock was a newly graduated apprentice. Sorry STR, I’m just venting. Hope all is well with you.

If this jockey does not get days, they might as well stop giving days. He never looked, just came over. He did not take into consideration his horse switching to the left leg into the turn which is 3-4 ft. of movement to the inside. He jammed up 3 horses in the race . Too me, it was reckless endangerment, plain and simple.

Sometimes those daily double payouts can be weird. Because the 2 horse was 12-1 ML, the daily doubles were gagged on 12-1 not 24-1. So that probably has something to do with it. That and the inside numbers almost always get more play than the outside numbers as compared to their actual odds. It's a bettors mentality thing I guess, but it is common to see.

And hey Mr. GandT, you have every right to be upset . Losing a dime on a stupid, bone head move that was not necessary by that rider is brutal . He could have laid all over that horse legally down the backside, pinned his right eye and that horse would likely have run much worse that he did. It was a stupid move. Period. And no way Prat ever makes that move. He is every bit as great as this kid is mediocre or worse. Don't know him at all, but now I'm pissed at him for screwing you up for 1,000 bucks.

That is a tough beat my friend.

Vent away and get it all out. Great pick on your part. Lean on that going forward. Controlling speed on the outside is a sweet advantage when ridden correctly. That jock screwed it up. Hopefully he learns from that.

Very nice wager sir. That should not get lost in all this.

[mrginandtonic]

Unfortunately, yes, he needed to be DQ'ed for sure. The damn rider never even glanced over before sawing off the inside horse into the 1st turn. When you go inward like that into the clubhouse turn, the horse will automatically slide over 3-4 feet when they switch to the inside lead (leg) into that turn. That rider of the 8 horse, never even looked to see where he was, he just plowed over there and impeded not only the inside horse but two other horses had to take up as well that were behind that 2nd horse getting impeded and checking. That is riding in a race 101 EZ. No Steward can excuse that. It was bad, irresponsible riding and if he does not get days for that I'll be shocked.
Really sucks for the bettor though. That is a tough beat if you had that horse. All the riders fault EZ. Absolutely no reason the rider had to do that.

Thanks for your take on this. I have not heard of any suspension on that jockey. The eventually winner via DQ of the 8 was the 2- Ruse (ML 12-1, went off at 24-1). The daily double paid $137. The 8- Fredo (ML 15-1, went off at 21-1), yet DD would have paid $259. It seems a bit strange to me. While I’m still not totally agreeing with the call, I am just upset that caused me one grand. I think if the jockey were Prat, that objection probably wouldn’t have been called IMO. This jock was a newly graduated apprentice. Sorry STR, I’m just venting. Hope all is well with you.

[JBEX]

put up friday .. 11187