Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

only because it's a listed stakes race an AM won at 10f on the turf at woodbine on saturday and paid $5.90..added to the week's results (11063) and mentioned it was posted after the race

[JBEX]

previous week 11063



week 6 .. 8/4-8/10
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial
(del mar and colonial haven't begun yet)

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/4 monday ****

thistledown 4 @ 2:30
#1 sgt york (7-2)


ellis 5 @ 2:44
#6 army girl (10-1) rick d trained


presque isle 7 @ 6:12
#9 grade a (8-1) listed stakes

mistake sorry..rick has #5 itwillbefun

[JBEX]

previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063


week 6 .. 8/4-8/10
opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
army mule progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post


8/4 monday ****

thistledown 4 @ 2:30
#1 sgt york (7-2)
out @ 5-1 .. 1-5 (odds) won the race

ellis 5 @ 2:44
#6 army girl (10-1)
3rd @ 5-1 .. photo for 2nd

presque isle 7 @ 6:12
#9 grade a (8-1) listed stakes
4th @ 5-1 .. photo for 3rd
all 3 off @ same odds

8/5 tuesday ****

nothing

8/6 wednesday ****

only 2 core tracks ..nothing


8/7 thursday ****

nothing

8/8 friday ****

nothing

8/9 saturday ****

nothing

8/10 sunday ****

nothing

[JBEX]

He was still getting the hang of things and remember that long race where the rider lost his iron leaving the gate. That had him running scared and upset early not having a clear idea what all was going on.
It took him several months to figure that out. Clement giving him the time to mentally grow and develop made this horse what he now is.

Thats the thing about the Ky. Derby. It’s always such hype leading up to it and everything these young horses are trying to cram in mentally, you see the back end effect on horses that then put it together and learn to breath, relax, understand, etc. it’s really something to see isn’t it. All the crazy hype from babies up to the race. Then, it’s all gone and it’s off to the Preakness and Belmont.
It happens every year. Never changes it doesn’t seem.

He sure did do a Hall of Fame job with Deterministic.

oh yeah I forgot (and I shouldn't have) about the circumstances in those races and that was a good catch by you to see that ..if I remember correctly it was the left iron which you can only tell by how the jockey appears on the mount..that was the 2nd leg which I believe is the withers and then with that bad experience went on to the wood ..not an ideal sequence at all

can definitely see what you mean about the rush to the triple crown races not being the ideal learning environment for them..starting a horse off in the spring of his 3yo year when it's more mature and developed physically might lead to a better career long haul but will mostly be a secondary option with all the glitz and money of running early

definitely have more appreciation of the process of getting these young horses ready from you and certainly the clement's did a great job with deterministic

[str]

and I am initially referring to the ML and then the $$$ comes in knocking his odds even lower. I guess that can create opportunities like tonight in RACE #3 a 30/1 shot beat Bocachica.

Again, I do think he is the best rider there. I don’t necessarily think he makes horses win that often, but it is rare to see him get one in a bad spot, stopped, or him screw up. Fans do over bet him which can create an opportunity to play against but he is very consistent from what I’ve seen.
Gotta give props for that. He seems ultra consistent.

[str]

Hey STR: the track in question is CT. The Rider is Arnaldo Bocachica. Every time I look at that track Bocachica is riding one of the favs in the race about 80% of the time. It gets old. Wanted your thoughts on the matter. thx in advance.

Hi EZ. Thanks for checking in. Yeah, he gets the best mounts, and he is the best rider. I do not know him at all. Never met him. I know he rides a lot for Runco who has all the ties with Md. trainers, owners etc. and those horses are always even money it seems. Jeff started out as a jockey. A bug boy for Bud Delp. He was before Ronnie Franklin .
That rider is very good especially against the other riders there. He is simply better. But he has a lock on the best horses. It does get old sometimes and he’s hard to beat but.. it’s not, IMO, that his talent alone is making those horses win. It’s not a Chris McCarron in Md. thing. It’s a very solid rider that is fed a pipeline of better horses and does very well keeping them out of trouble and making smart choices . He can pick and choose his mounts .
I remember talking about Runco before in here. I’ve know him for 45 years +. Let’s just say , not a fan at all.
I saw what he did time and again while establishing himself there waaay back. A back stabber and I’ll say IMO. But it’s not an opinion , it’s a fact that was repeated multiple times.
Not my kind of guy. At all.
I would not even acknowledge him if we passed each other.

[str]

amazing how 2 turns on the dirt threw him for a loop in starts 3 and 4 but nothing but good things ever since putting him on the turf .. know it's not happening but I think he could possibly be a graded stakes horse on the dirt going 2 turns.. would love to see him try that if he runs next year .. my memory is horrible but seems like something you don't see much, if at all, in recent years or even further back

He was still getting the hang of things and remember that long race where the rider lost his iron leaving the gate. That had him running scared and upset early not having a clear idea what all was going on.
It took him several months to figure that out. Clement giving him the time to mentally grow and develop made this horse what he now is.

Thats the thing about the Ky. Derby. It’s always such hype leading up to it and everything these young horses are trying to cram in mentally, you see the back end effect on horses that then put it together and learn to breath, relax, understand, etc. it’s really something to see isn’t it. All the crazy hype from babies up to the race. Then, it’s all gone and it’s off to the Preakness and Belmont.
It happens every year. Never changes it doesn’t seem.

He sure did do a Hall of Fame job with Deterministic.

[JBEX]

put up sunday AM ..11063

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: the track in question is CT. The Rider is Arnaldo Bocachica. Every time I look at that track Bocachica is riding one of the favs in the race about 80% of the time. It gets old. Wanted your thoughts on the matter. thx in advance.

and I am initially referring to the ML and then the $$$ comes in knocking his odds even lower. I guess that can create opportunities like tonight in RACE #3 a 30/1 shot beat Bocachica.

[batt33]

ah the ups and downs of horse racing....

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: the track in question is CT. The Rider is Arnaldo Bocachica. Every time I look at that track Bocachica is riding one of the favs in the race about 80% of the time. It gets old. Wanted your thoughts on the matter. thx in advance.

[JBEX]

amazing how 2 turns on the dirt threw him for a loop in starts 3 and 4 but nothing but good things ever since putting him on the turf .. know it's not happening but I think he could possibly be a graded stakes horse on the dirt going 2 turns.. would love to see him try that if he runs next year .. my memory is horrible but seems like something you don't see much, if at all, in recent years or even further back

[JBEX]

hell yeah! nice run by deterministic !!!

Oh my!!
Look whose relaxing and finishing i
Clean right eye . Race was over into the first turn when he settled.
Man that is so fun to see a horse mature .
Great call JBEX.

thanks guys..at this point i think we are just as much fans as concerned about the mutuels but nothing wrong with hitting at 9-2 .. as you said str was able to settle just off the lone speed and had plenty left for the stretch..kendrick rode him great

was a win and you're in race for the breeders cup and likely have one more race before that..need a little luck but I think he'll be a serious contender in the bc mile

[str]

Oh my!!
Look whose relaxing and finishing i
Clean right eye . Race was over into the first turn when he settled.
Man that is so fun to see a horse mature .
Great call JBEX.

[batt33]

hell yeah! nice run by deterministic !!!

[batt33]

Good stuff Batt.

Hope she runs well and stays safe.

A quick comment on the picture shown. Do you see that left ear which is slightly more back than her right ear? That, along with the left eye and expression on her face?
What is the horse thinking and muttering to herself?

She is thinking... Wait.. what the hell are you doing now? Hey, whatyoutalkinabout Willis.

She is hawking every second of that.

That picture is priceless !!

Good luck my] friend.

Thanks STR! okay you made me chuckle with Wacha takin about Willis! always enjoy you making me take another look at the photo's or video's!

[batt33]

tactics will play a key role here..don't think he will try to go with #2 my boy prince (15-1) and a possibility #5 win for the money (8-1) will ..think a stalking trip is what he wants .. find it interesting that the front end running started with the off the turf,sloppy race 3 back ..look forward to seeing it also

for sure !a bunch of runners in here I follow..... what s race!

[JBEX]

Very cool.
Can't wait to see him.

tactics will play a key role here..don't think he will try to go with #2 my boy prince (15-1) and a possibility #5 win for the money (8-1) will ..think a stalking trip is what he wants .. find it interesting that the front end running started with the off the turf,sloppy race 3 back ..look forward to seeing it also

[JBEX]

only 1 AM today .. 11063

[str]

So one of the horses that I have been involved in and able to watch from almost the beginning starting with .. "phase one " about 9 months ago....
Blip Says Bye ’23 going through phase one of the breaking process, which incorporates “the roller,” which replicates a saddle. As you will see in the video above, she is doing a lot of the same things she did in stage one, but with the addition of that pressure from the roller. watching her develop and learn new things has been pretty cool! and as always enjoyed sharing the video's and learning from STR's keen eye!

She is in the same group as "black tie optional" and "Munny problems" She is the first one to make it to the track!
Tomorrow is the day for her! Race 6 number 6 a Del Mar. Juan has been getting on her in the morning.... you never know with these young horses... hopefully she runs well!

Race 6 POST Time - 4:33 PM PT

PP (Race 6)

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$1 Exacta / $2 Quinella / 50c Trifecta / $2 Rolling Double 50c Rolling Pick Three / $1 Superfecta (10c min) $1 Pick 6 / $2 WPS Parlay

Del Mar MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT

Purse $100,000. Five And One Half Furlongs. (Includes $20,000 – Other Sources) (Plus $24,000 – CBOIF - California Bred Owner Fund). For Maidens, Fillies Two Years Old. Weight, 122 Lbs. (Non-Starters For A Claiming Price Of $40,000 Or Less In The Last 3 Starts Preferred).

1	1	Jasmine (KY)		2/F		H I Berrios	122	P Eurton	6/1
2	2	Grandma Mary (KY)		2/F		R Gonzalez	122	M Ruis, Sr.	8/1
3	3	Umbralle (KY)		2/F		A Fresu	122	J W Sadler	4/1
4	4	Bourbon and Ginger (KY)		2/F		M Demuro	122	R E Mandella	3/1
5	5	Roccabella (KY)		2/F		A Espinoza	122	M W McCarthy	12/1
6	6	Misstrial (KY)		2/F		J J Hernandez	122	B Baffert	2/1
7	7	Separator (KY)		2/F		K Kimura	122	M W McCarthy	15/1
8	8	Golden Two Step (KY)		2/F		E A Maldonado	122	D F O'Neill	12/1

Owners: 1 - Exline-Border Racing LLC, Hausman or Kennedy, et al ; 2 - Ruis Racing LLC ; 3 - Don Alberto Stable ; 4 - Spendthrift Farm, LLC ; 5 - Don Alberto Stable ; 6 - MyRacehorse ; 7 - Colbart Stables ; 8 - Glenn Sorgenstein WC Racing Inc.

Breeders: 1 - Rose Hill Farm; 2 - Ruis Racing LLC; 3 - Don Alberto Corporation; 4 - Mulholland Springs LLC & Tom GretherFarms, Inc.; 5 - Don Alberto Corporation; 6 - E. H. Beau Lane; 7 - Mulholland Springs LLC, Jay Young & BethYoung; 8 - Glenn Sorgenstein WC Racing Inc.

Pedigrees (Sire - Dam, by Dam Sire): 1 - Bolt d'Oro - Beautiful Princess , by Giant's Causeway ; 2 - Bolt d'Oro - Mary Edna , by Pioneerof the Nile ; 3 - Into Mischief - Unique Bella , by Tapit ; 4 - Bolt d'Oro - Touchy Feely , by Bernardini ; 5 - Ghostzapper - Royal Azahar , by Curlin ; 6 - Constitution - Blip Says Bye , by Fed Biz ; 7 - Charlatan - Shanghai Rain , by Shanghai Bobby ; 8 - Goldencents - Dance America , by Tapit ;

Good stuff Batt.

Hope she runs well and stays safe.

A quick comment on the picture shown. Do you see that left ear which is slightly more back than her right ear? That, along with the left eye and expression on her face?
What is the horse thinking and muttering to herself?

She is thinking... Wait.. what the hell are you doing now? Hey, whatyoutalkinabout Willis.

She is hawking every second of that.

That picture is priceless !!

Good luck my friend.

[str]

deterministic going in the fourstardave (g1) @ saratoga on saturday ..R8 #8 (9-2)
post 3:52

Very cool.
Can't wait to see him.

[JBEX]

deterministic going in the fourstardave (g1) @ saratoga on saturday ..R8 #8 (9-2)
post 3:52

[batt33]

So one of the horses that I have been involved in and able to watch from almost the beginning starting with .. "phase one " about 9 months ago....
Blip Says Bye ’23 going through phase one of the breaking process, which incorporates “the roller,” which replicates a saddle. As you will see in the video above, she is doing a lot of the same things she did in stage one, but with the addition of that pressure from the roller. watching her develop and learn new things has been pretty cool! and as always enjoyed sharing the video's and learning from STR's keen eye!

She is in the same group as "black tie optional" and "Munny problems" She is the first one to make it to the track!
Tomorrow is the day for her! Race 6 number 6 a Del Mar. Juan has been getting on her in the morning.... you never know with these young horses... hopefully she runs well!

Race 6 POST Time - 4:33 PM PT

PP (Race 6)

Free Tools:


$1 Exacta / $2 Quinella / 50c Trifecta / $2 Rolling Double 50c Rolling Pick Three / $1 Superfecta (10c min) $1 Pick 6 / $2 WPS Parlay

Del Mar MAIDEN SPECIAL WEIGHT

Purse $100,000. Five And One Half Furlongs. (Includes $20,000 – Other Sources) (Plus $24,000 – CBOIF - California Bred Owner Fund). For Maidens, Fillies Two Years Old. Weight, 122 Lbs. (Non-Starters For A Claiming Price Of $40,000 Or Less In The Last 3 Starts Preferred).

1	1	Jasmine (KY)		2/F		H I Berrios	122	P Eurton	6/1
2	2	Grandma Mary (KY)		2/F		R Gonzalez	122	M Ruis, Sr.	8/1
3	3	Umbralle (KY)		2/F		A Fresu	122	J W Sadler	4/1
4	4	Bourbon and Ginger (KY)		2/F		M Demuro	122	R E Mandella	3/1
5	5	Roccabella (KY)		2/F		A Espinoza	122	M W McCarthy	12/1
6	6	Misstrial (KY)		2/F		J J Hernandez	122	B Baffert	2/1
7	7	Separator (KY)		2/F		K Kimura	122	M W McCarthy	15/1
8	8	Golden Two Step (KY)		2/F		E A Maldonado	122	D F O'Neill	12/1

Owners: 1 - Exline-Border Racing LLC, Hausman or Kennedy, et al ; 2 - Ruis Racing LLC ; 3 - Don Alberto Stable ; 4 - Spendthrift Farm, LLC ; 5 - Don Alberto Stable ; 6 - MyRacehorse ; 7 - Colbart Stables ; 8 - Glenn Sorgenstein WC Racing Inc.

Breeders: 1 - Rose Hill Farm; 2 - Ruis Racing LLC; 3 - Don Alberto Corporation; 4 - Mulholland Springs LLC & Tom GretherFarms, Inc.; 5 - Don Alberto Corporation; 6 - E. H. Beau Lane; 7 - Mulholland Springs LLC, Jay Young & BethYoung; 8 - Glenn Sorgenstein WC Racing Inc.

Pedigrees (Sire - Dam, by Dam Sire): 1 - Bolt d'Oro - Beautiful Princess , by Giant's Causeway ; 2 - Bolt d'Oro - Mary Edna , by Pioneerof the Nile ; 3 - Into Mischief - Unique Bella , by Tapit ; 4 - Bolt d'Oro - Touchy Feely , by Bernardini ; 5 - Ghostzapper - Royal Azahar , by Curlin ; 6 - Constitution - Blip Says Bye , by Fed Biz ; 7 - Charlatan - Shanghai Rain , by Shanghai Bobby ; 8 - Goldencents - Dance America , by Tapit ;

[str]

around when I first became interested in the sport at 15 years old .. a big assignment for anyone let alone an 18 yo and thought cauthen handled the interviews well considering the pressure situation..jim mckay always a polished broadcaster who loved horseracing and a lot of Howard which is always entertaining ..culminated in one of the greatest belmont stakes of all time ..had $10 on affirmed at I believe 4-5 ..very happy to win that $8 back then lol

Jim McKay was such a great man. He stood for everything that was good about horse racing.

Don’t get me started with Howard.
I’m sure I’ve written about him butting in when I had Willie Shoemaker riding my horse on Preakness day. Horse had quirks to him and I never got the time to explain that to Shoemaker because Cosell wouldn’t shut up and get out of the way. I liked him until that day. My horse went off 2-5 and finished 5th. After that, I hated him. Lol.

[str]

yes he had only won the derby so not as big a deal at that point .. not making light of that lol but the TC obviously is another level of accomplishment

Exactly JBEX. Who knew what was going to happen.

[str]

Straight No Chaser Workout Report



Straight No Chaser was back on the tab this morning at Del Mar, breezing three furlongs in :36.00 flat under assistant trainer Juan Landeros. Our Champ left the 3/8 pole under a stranglehold in an attempt to keep him as slowed down as possible, which Juan was able to do. He galloped out a half naturally in :49.20. Trainer Dan Blacker remains pleased with Straight No Chaser as he eases him back into his work routine. Our plan remains for the Santa Anita Sprint Championship on September 28th to be his comeback race in preparation for the Breeders’ Cup Sprint.

Awesome!

[str]

another horse that black tie optional grew up with at the farm...Misstrial Workout Report



Misstrial breezed 1:00(5/29) flat from the gate this morning under Juan Hernandez while on the outside of older stablemate Donata (Uncle Mo). Your daughter of Constitution broke very well this morning and cruised past the grandstand in hand. As you will see in the video above, Misstrial took command in the later stages of this drill and both trainer Bob Baffert and Juan Hernandez were quite pleased yet again with the work. As long as everything continues well from now until Wednesday, Bob is planning to enter Misstrial for her debut on Saturday, August 2nd at Del Mar.

The Baffert team, starting with assistant Mike Marlow, have been very high on this filly since day one. It’s always an accomplishment to make the races as a 2-year-old, but we hope there is plenty more to be excited about in eight days' time.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...3471549143.mp4

Donata needs to clean up the lead’s confusion. She will. She is all left as of now.

[str]

Playing catch-up after a long fire assignment ... some updates for STR black tie optional......
Black Tie Optional Workout Report 18 days ago..

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/MyMovie222_1752259125854/MP4/MyMovie222_1752259125854.mp4

Black Tie Optional had an improved breeze this morning at Los Alamitos, covering four furlongs in :49.60 while on the outside of his usual mate Cherokee Nation. In the previous two weeks, Cherokee Nation was out working him slightly to the wire, but today your son of Not This Time was clearly best. This was another nice step forward for Black Tie Optional and we would expect him to likely have one additional half-mile breeze before moving on to 5/8, but we will leave that decision up to assistant trainer Mike Marlow.

Please note, for the next few weeks the consistency of our work videos may drop as the majority of horsemen and horsewomen, including our MRH staff, are heading south to Del Mar for the summer. We will still do our best to keep weekly content.

Steady progress.

I like it.

[JBEX]

friday's AM up .. 11063

[JBEX]

Thursday's up ... 11063

[batt33]

In May of 1978, I had only trained less than 2 years, and was still so young (23)compared to all the other trainers (that was really young for a trainer back then). But I was winning and was the "new kid in town" in Maryland. That is code for a short for a cup of coffee fame that leaves as quick as it comes. Lol. You know, when the next new kid in town comes along. The song by the Eagles, says it all, which ironically came out in 1976, the year I started.
Because Cauthen was in for the Preakness, an agent had set up a time in the morning, probably the Friday before or that Saturday morning, for us to meet. The track photographer was going to snap a picture of us and the back page racing form writer was going to do a small piece on our young age. But, it got all screwed up with Cauthen being pulled all over the place and it never happened. Met him for about 10 seconds on Preakness day when he was on the jocks room porch and I was at the outdoor boxes at the finish line.
I introduced myself, he said hi and we maybe talked for half a minute but he was getting pounded with people asking him for pictures, etc. So that was it. We never crossed paths again . He was indeed, a story book tale Chucky.
Horses ran for him and his magic hands. He had a repour with horses that I've only seen 2-3 times in my life.
Julie (Jules), had that as well. (Krone).

I was so fortunate to be able to meet so many incredible people along the way. Just blessed Chucky.

Thanks for checking in my friend.

cool story STR!

[str]

yes he had only won the derby so not as big a deal at that point .. not making light of that lol but the TC obviously is another level of accomplishment

Exactly. Kind of didn’t realize how big a thing it would have been especially years later.
All good though. A lot went very right along the way.
i was really lucky to be a part of it.

[JBEX]

It would have been pretty cool. But at the time, it was just something that happened. or didn’t happen.
Sometimes you don’t realize how much a certain thing might mean later on. It wasn’t a big deal at the time but in hindsight I sure do wish it had happened.

yes he had only won the derby so not as big a deal at that point .. not making light of that lol but the TC obviously is another level of accomplishment

[str]

what a shame as that would've been a cool momento to have

that eagles song has a lot of meaning to me also as our family moved to the burbs from the city that year .. that's who I was lol

It would have been pretty cool. But at the time, it was just something that happened. or didn’t happen.
Sometimes you don’t realize how much a certain thing might mean later on. It wasn’t a big deal at the time but in hindsight I sure do wish it had happened.

[JBEX]

In May of 1978, I had only trained less than 2 years, and was still so young (23)compared to all the other trainers (that was really young for a trainer back then). But I was winning and was the "new kid in town" in Maryland. That is code for a short for a cup of coffee fame that leaves as quick as it comes. Lol. You know, when the next new kid in town comes along. The song by the Eagles, says it all, which ironically came out in 1976, the year I started.
Because Cauthen was in for the Preakness, an agent had set up a time in the morning, probably the Friday before or that Saturday morning, for us to meet. The track photographer was going to snap a picture of us and the back page racing form writer was going to do a small piece on our young age. But, it got all screwed up with Cauthen being pulled all over the place and it never happened. Met him for about 10 seconds on Preakness day when he was on the jocks room porch and I was at the outdoor boxes at the finish line.
I introduced myself, he said hi and we maybe talked for half a minute but he was getting pounded with people asking him for pictures, etc. So that was it. We never crossed paths again . He was indeed, a story book tale Chucky.
Horses ran for him and his magic hands. He had a repour with horses that I've only seen 2-3 times in my life.
Julie (Jules), had that as well. (Krone).

I was so fortunate to be able to meet so many incredible people along the way. Just blessed Chucky.

Thanks for checking in my friend.

what a shame as that would've been a cool momento to have

that eagles song has a lot of meaning to me also as our family moved to the burbs from the city that year .. that's who I was lol