Horse Racing questions and answers

[JBEX]

JBEX, I welcome mistakes from others every once in a while. Makes me feel like I have some company.

And I am confused on where that response of mine came from. Not sure what I was referring to .

2nd day of this thread .. page 1 .. post 34

[str]

just to clarify my initial response back to you was based on I thought for some reason you were referring to chancer mcpatrick with your response to str's post..not sure why I would think that based on what you said as it admittedly makes no sense ..the chad brown trainer and you tube replays is about CM .. again I apologize for the confusion I caused

JBEX, I welcome mistakes from others every once in a while. Makes me feel like I have some company.

And I am confused on where that response of mine came from. Not sure what I was referring to .

[JBEX]

Yeah, that makes sense — Chad Brown’s horses usually have all their races uploaded. You can just search the horse’s name on YouTube and they should pop right up.

just to clarify my initial response back to you was based on I thought for some reason you were referring to chancer mcpatrick with your response to str's post..not sure why I would think that based on what you said as it admittedly makes no sense ..the chad brown trainer and you tube replays is about CM .. again I apologize for the confusion I caused

[ProSportsEdge]

his trainer is chad brown..all his 2yo races (and probably 3yo also) are on you tube

Yeah, that makes sense — Chad Brown’s horses usually have all their races uploaded. You can just search the horse’s name on YouTube and they should pop right up.

[JBEX]

weds by army mule

churchill 1 (12:45)
7 brooklyn drew (5-2)

[JBEX]

his trainer is chad brown..all his 2yo races (and probably 3yo also) are on you tube

nevermind this response .. wrong context ..sorry

[str]

Totally — I’d be stunned to hear that at places like Pimlico, Del. Park or Parx. Sounds like something you’d only see at a tiny backwater track. Got a trainer name or race/date? I can dig into it.

Not sure where this comes from. Can you provide a page that this was on . I might have more info.
Thanks

[JBEX]

Totally — I’d be stunned to hear that at places like Pimlico, Del. Park or Parx. Sounds like something you’d only see at a tiny backwater track. Got a trainer name or race/date? I can dig into it.

his trainer is chad brown..all his 2yo races (and probably 3yo also) are on you tube

[JBEX]

I thought that this next race might be it for him. I think that he could be a stallion that has a chance to surprise some people.
The initial peak into his talent never got to the heights that it potentially could have but his record is still solid. Might be a little under the radar and that’s ok. In a what have you done lately world we are in today, he has a chance to surprise.

What he did in that last 1/8th mile of his debut race is indeed extremely rare air.

Thanks for the heads up JBEX.

no problem str

agree about his prospects as a stallion .. it was a sensational 3 races to start his career and obviously that operation knows what sets a horse up to be a successful stallion .. thought there were quite a few legit excuses for the subpar efforts he had .. joins kingsbarns and they have one of the best overall lineup of stallions in the industry

if he has a good effort in the bc I will be very impressed as that track is probably a tough layout for his running style

[ProSportsEdge]

Honestly I think this might happen to some degree in harness racing, but I do not know for sure, but if it is happening anywhere in flat racing other than some rinky dink track as small and backwards as Charlestown at least and probably less than that , I would be stunned. For a trainer to say something like that at let's say Pimlico , Del. Park , Parx. is simply unheard of. In my time it did not exist. If you could give me more info as to who would do this or where the race took place I could better speak too it. Please let me know.

Totally — I’d be stunned to hear that at places like Pimlico, Del. Park or Parx. Sounds like something you’d only see at a tiny backwater track. Got a trainer name or race/date? I can dig into it.

[str]

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...at-spendthrift

will finish his career in the breeders cup mile and stand at spendthrift next year

I thought that this next race might be it for him. I think that he could be a stallion that has a chance to surprise some people.
The initial peak into his talent never got to the heights that it potentially could have but his record is still solid. Might be a little under the radar and that’s ok. In a what have you done lately world we are in today, he has a chance to surprise.

What he did in that last 1/8th mile of his debut race is indeed extremely rare air.

Thanks for the heads up JBEX.

[JBEX]

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/287279/chancer-mcpatrick-to-stand-at-spendthrift

will finish his career in the breeders cup mile and stand at spendthrift next year

[JBEX]

made 3 changes to recording results ..explained in that post "*"

[JBEX]

by army mule sunday

baq 3 (2:05)
1 remember the chief (15-1)

churchill 1 (12:45)
6 hope restored (10-1)

churchill 2 (1:14)
4 bourbon state (20-1)

churchill 3 (1:43)
3 flick (6-1)

churchill 5 (2:45)
4 colonel caliente (4-1)


tracking post 11229

[JBEX]

world record (a since his debut follow horse for me and str) is running in a listed stakes at churchill tomorrow R10 #1 (4-1) .. post 5:29

I like him here ..it sets up well with an honest pace (3,10) which I think he will stalk ..he does have excellent speed but from the rail don't think he'll try to go with those two early .. capable vs these with his best effort

scratched

[JBEX]

saturday by army mule

churchill 2 (1:16)
6 wonder of you (5-1)

laurel 6 (2:33) stakes
2 discreet ops (10-1)

monmouth 8 (4:06)
4 bel pensiero (7-2)
7 molly's a bullet (15-1)
full siblings

woodbine 9 (5:39) grade 1
1 stanley house (10-1)


results post 11229

[JBEX]

world record (a since his debut follow horse for me and str) is running in a listed stakes at churchill tomorrow R10 #1 (4-1) .. post 5:29

I like him here ..it sets up well with an honest pace (3,10) which I think he will stalk ..he does have excellent speed but from the rail don't think he'll try to go with those two early .. capable vs these with his best effort

[JBEX]

If you are interested in Maryland racing in the late 70’s or later, and the accuracy of this article, you have come to the right place. I was a top 10 trainer there in 1978. Bernie and Bill were both acquaintances and fellow trainers then. Bobby Pineda was among the riders I used as well as Herbie and others.

Like most articles, this does have some truth within it but also, incorrect information. Not knocking as that is rather typical.

Having left the game mentally in 1992 and physically in early 2001, when it comes to Md. racing and what happened there with drug use in that era, I know a little bit about it. Happy to answer a specific question if it helps.

must've been a lot of bad blood between the cheats and trainers , like yourself ,who did things honestly

[JBEX]

posted today's results 11229 .. nothing friday

[JBEX]

thursday
by army mule @ baq,cd or gulfstream

baq 3 (2:10)
7 army gal (3-1)


baq 8 (4:40)
7 backstretch rose (8-1)

[str]

If you are interested in Maryland racing in the late 70’s or later, and the accuracy of this article, you have come to the right place. I was a top 10 trainer there in 1978. Bernie and Bill were both acquaintances and fellow trainers then. Bobby Pineda was among the riders I used as well as Herbie and others.

Like most articles, this does have some truth within it but also, incorrect information. Not knocking as that is rather typical.

Having left the game mentally in 1992 and physically in early 2001, when it comes to Md. racing and what happened there with drug use in that era, I know a little bit about it. Happy to answer a specific question if it helps.

[str]

If anyone is interested:


I wanted to share a post I saw somewhere else with you folks. I am providing a link below that will take you to an article written way back in 1978 about Maryland racing and the " Drug" usage. If you are interested, read the article and I will follow up in the next post with my initial response.

https://archive.ph/YUJbd

[JBEX]

will continue following horses by ARMY MULE through october (breeders cup friday 10/31) but only in NY,KY and FLA and out of town stakes .. will put up the horses in each new post and record the results in this one through september..start a new one in october .. leave an opt out option for the end of this month if I decide to stop .. this will probably be it for posting and recording results for his progeny

no details about bad trips (including starts) but may mention close finishes ..going to number each entry so if I want to mention something can do it below the results and have a reference to the race..also it will keep a count of the number of plays

baq .. belmont at aqueduct
cdn .. churchill downs
gpk .. gulfstream park
san .. santa anita
prx .. pa derby day (explained 11259)

churchill ends next sunday (reopens 10/26) so I will replace it with santa anita which opens next friday .. I will not post entries for the few days of churchill leading up to the breeders cup

* SL sloppy / MU muddy / OT off turf
* top 4 will give field size..4/12 = 4th of 12
* 1st 4 letters of name (instead of 6)

worth considering weds and thursday there's typically 3 cards combined so really like it's 1 day .. obviously friday through sunday 3 cards/day


example

3) mo0908 cd 5 xxxx (5-2) out [7-1]

monday/sept 8/churcill R5 /horse*/ml/result
/final odds

________________

** comment below

01) th0911 baq 3 army (3-1) WON $8.82
02) th0911 baq 8 back(8-1) scratched
xx) fr0912 nothing
03) sa0913 cdn 2 wond(5-1) out [2-1]
04) sa0913 lrl 6 disc(10-1) scratched **
05) sa0913 woo 9 stan (10-1) out [18-1] **
06) su0914 baq 3 reme (15-1) 4/6 [25-1]
07) su0914 cdn 1 hope (10-1) out [46-1]MU
08) su0914 cdn 2 bour (20-1) out [29-1] MU
09) su0914 cdn 3 flic(6-1) 4/12 [9-1] MU
10) su0914 cdn 5 colo(4-1) 4/8 [6-1]MU
xx) mo0915 tu0916 off days
11) we0917 cdn 1 broo (5-2) WON $3.74
xx) th0918 nothing
xx) fr0919 nothing
12) sa0920 prx 2 miss (8-1) 4/10 [10-1]
13) sa0920 prx 6 ceep (4-1) out [5-1]
14) su0921 cdn 8 hill (5-2) WON $3.46
15) mo0922 fin 8 part (3-1) 3/9 [5-2]
xx) tu0923 nothing
16) we0924 cdn 1 mast (10-1) 2/6 [5-1] MU
17) we0924 cdn 8 grad (8-1) scratch
xx) th0925 nothing
18) fr0926 san 2 sain (5-1) WON $19.20
19) sa0927 baq 3 shad (8-1) out [7-1]
20) sa0927 del 8 disc (5-1) 4/4 [10-1] **
21) su0928 baq 1 reme (15-1) scratched
22) su0928 cdn 4 my s (8-1) 2/10 [7-1]
23) su0928 rem 4 doub (15-1) out [45-1] **


added a couple of parx plays to end the month so will record them

24) mo0929 prx 6 pam p (4-1) [5-2]
25) tu0930 prx 9 forw (4-1) WON $6.80

[JBEX]

nothing tomorrow

[JBEX]

nothing tomorrow..today's results posted

[JBEX]

army girl (11224) is scratched

[JBEX]

I think I have come to the realization that I do NOT like the Breeders Cup format.

Sure , it is a really cool day. No doubt. BUT, There are so darn many great, historic races that get bypassed or watered down with 2nd stringers due to the fact that trainers are not willing to run their big name horses 7-9 times a year.
Now I'm not knocking any trainer for aiming for a race that typically lofts the winner to horse of the year in that category. I totally get that and would be doing the same thing if it was me. But look what it does to the year full of historic races.
I hate to make a list of these races because I will leave some historic races off, but I don't personally think that winning one race in November makes you a champion. It should be the best horse that year, NOT the best horse that day in early November.

I'm just ranting I guess but remember when the Champagne Stakes really meant something ? Or, the Sapling and the Sorority Stakes were a big deal? The filly and Mare Delaware Handicap? The Carter? Most are just races and some are no longer running. The Preakness was special? I mentioned to the Head of the Md. racing Comm. that I was worried the Maryland was pouring over half a Billion dollars into Pimlico and if Md. isn't careful, the Preakness might be a Grade 2 before too long. Was it really a grade 1 this year? I guess, but not by much IMO.

I'll stop ranting now.

I sound like a cranky old trainer that the game is passing by.

Uh, oh. .....







Never mind.

Happy first week of the NFL season everybody.

agree..as great as these races are they minimize the importance of the big races leading up to them .. bc races will always be "too" important in deciding division championships
..let the best horses meet up over the course of the year and decide it based on this..if some of the these horses don't cross paths then break down their records and each voter comes up with their decision ..will never happen but I think it's a better way to do it

[JBEX]

final week ..only colonial and monmouth left

previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134/
11172/11203/11211


week 11 .. 9/8 - 9/14

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post

results and tomorrow's entries posted at the same time


9/8 monday ****

parx 1 (12:40)
1 amy mule (7-2)
WON $5.60

horseshoe 3 (3:12)
7 army girl (12-1)
scratched

prarie meadows 7 (6:03)
2 kissed a cadet (3-1)
2nd @ 17-1

9/9 tuesday ****

nothing

9/10 wednesday ****

nothing

9/11 thursday ****

nothing

9/12 friday ****

nothing

9/13 saturday ****

monmouth 8 (4:06)
4 bel pensiero (7-2) 3rd @ 5-2
7 molly's a bullet (15-1) 5th @ 46-1 *
full siblings

* 11 horse field .. < 1 length 3rd

9/14 sunday****


that's a wrap

[str]

I think I have come to the realization that I do NOT like the Breeders Cup format.

Sure , it is a really cool day. No doubt. BUT, There are so darn many great, historic races that get bypassed or watered down with 2nd stringers due to the fact that trainers are not willing to run their big name horses 7-9 times a year.
Now I'm not knocking any trainer for aiming for a race that typically lofts the winner to horse of the year in that category. I totally get that and would be doing the same thing if it was me. But look what it does to the year full of historic races.
I hate to make a list of these races because I will leave some historic races off, but I don't personally think that winning one race in November makes you a champion. It should be the best horse that year, NOT the best horse that day in early November.

I'm just ranting I guess but remember when the Champagne Stakes really meant something ? Or, the Sapling and the Sorority Stakes were a big deal? The filly and Mare Delaware Handicap? The Carter? Most are just races and some are no longer running. The Preakness was special? I mentioned to the Head of the Md. racing Comm. that I was worried the Maryland was pouring over half a Billion dollars into Pimlico and if Md. isn't careful, the Preakness might be a Grade 2 before too long. Was it really a grade 1 this year? I guess, but not by much IMO.

I'll stop ranting now.

I sound like a cranky old trainer that the game is passing by.

Uh, oh. .....







Never mind.

Happy first week of the NFL season everybody.

[JBEX]

nothing on saturday for AM

nothing sunday

[JBEX]

nothing on saturday for AM

[JBEX]

A win, two seconds, a third and a forth with 5 starters.

Not too shabby.

Thanks JBEX.

no problem str ..just to clarify I only post the listed tracks (except mon,tue and stakes) but yesterday looked at them all .. gave str the others he mentioned..actually it was 4 altogether with 1st,2nd,3rd and far back ..winner at delaware was real impressive

[str]

A win, two seconds, a third and a forth with 5 starters.

Not too shabby.

Thanks JBEX.

[JBEX]

posted result .. nothing tomorrow

[JBEX]

1 play thursday added ..11211

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