Horse Racing questions and answers

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: A trainer from Belterra Park is asking the stewards to critique a ride in race #2 on 8/21. The horse in question is the #1 Afleet Vintage ridden by Albin Jimenez. I checked out the replay and it looked like the rider let the horse fall back and urged the #1 on late to finish 2nd as the 3/5 fav. When you get a chance watch the replay. Interested to get your take on the ride. THX in advance.

just read STR that the stewards have suspended Jimenez 1 year for that ride. I also read that he has a child with the rider on the winner(Summer Pauly) of that race the #3. Makes you wonder?

[str]

A comment on the Army Mules…

I see they have not had a win this week I don’t think. One runs today . Three have finished last this week. I put that along with other off the boards on the trainers.
Probably unfair as a blanket statement but with horses that try as hard or harder than any other blood line running, I go back to what I was taught back in the day.
Winning races is a matter of placement.

When this week’s group run back and are entered in spots that use that bad placement to find softer spots good results will follow.

[JBEX]

posted today's result and tomorrow's lone entry

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: A trainer from Belterra Park is asking the stewards to critique a ride in race #2 on 8/21. The horse in question is the #1 Afleet Vintage ridden by Albin Jimenez. I checked out the replay and it looked like the rider let the horse fall back and urged the #1 on late to finish 2nd as the 3/5 fav. When you get a chance watch the replay. Interested to get your take on the ride. THX in advance.

[str]

Q. Black Tie Optional has not been moving to assistant trainer Mike Marlow’s liking behind at Los Alamitos since receiving a week off from breezing last week. There’s nothing pathological showing, which has lead us to set up a nuclear scan. A nuclear scan, also known as a bone scan, is used to detect and diagnose various bone and soft-tissue problems.

A scan is scheduled to take place tomorrow, which will give us a clear image of what we are dealing with. We should receive the results later in the week and will follow up as soon as we get them.

A. To be honest , I’ve been kind of waiting for something to possibly show up.
Why? Because this horse is thick and weighty as well as talented. So that equals weight, speed, stamina, and reach and with all that usually comes a form of muscle or Bone/body over exertion.
He is off somewhere behind. Honestly Batt, that beats the heck out of off up front. But if not remedied he will shift his weight and throw it up front and that will cause stuff we do not want.

So, they are doing exactly the right thing in my opinion. They will figure out the area that is inflamed and deal with it. More often than not with hind ends and muscle , backing off of work outs and jogging even 2 miles a day, is often the prescribed treatment as well as acupuncture or tenz unit type treatment while still in lighter training.
Often times this can be either muscular irritation which can be dealt with with light exercise for a month +\- or bone bruising which depending where can be either the same program or other exercises and treatment.
This hopefully small back off can also help him up front as the front leg bones are slowly thickening by layering additional bone. All that is typical and needed as he starts to run.
This typically occurs when the horse starts getting competitive and pushes things a bit. Especially those with talent and baby fat type weight. He’s a chunkster Batt. That’s who he is.
Of course, this is just speculation on my part. So let’s see what they find. I’m anxious to hear. Please keep me informed.
Thanks, Batt

[JBEX]

added lone friday entry

[batt33]

Couple of up dates STR including your favorite of mine! all is well here... on 2 hour call for new starts .... keeping me busy with admin stuff( and I thought I was retired ) )
Real Savvy Post-Race Follow-Up



Real Savvy exited his race the other day in pretty good order. It should be noted that in his post-race scope his arytenoid cartilage was about 80% abducted. This is not uncommon for horses with tie-backs—that procedure rarely gets them to 100%, but it is certainly an improvement compared to where he was before the surgery and so far the sutures appear to be holding. It’s just something we’ll have to keep in mind and monitor moving forward. We’ll see how he trains coming out of this race and likely look for a next start when they’re back downstate.
and ugh
Black Tie Optional Update



Black Tie Optional has not been moving to assistant trainer Mike Marlow’s liking behind at Los Alamitos since receiving a week off from breezing last week. There’s nothing pathological showing, which has lead us to set up a nuclear scan. A nuclear scan, also known as a bone scan, is used to detect and diagnose various bone and soft-tissue problems.

A scan is scheduled to take place tomorrow, which will give us a clear image of what we are dealing with. We should receive the results later in the week and will follow up as soon as we get them.

[JBEX]

3 tracks thursday .. none running

[JBEX]

new page


previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134


week 8 .. 8/18-8/24

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post




8/18 monday ****

parx 9 (4:18)
#1 amy mule (15-1)
4th @ 12-1 .. 11 horse field

parx 11 (5:14)
#5 mission first (10-1)
scratched

prarie meadows 10 (8:51)
#2 come on mulitch (10-1)
3rd @ 3-2 .. 5 horse field w/ 2 scratches


8/19 tuesday ****

parx 1 (12:40)
#10 forward move (8-1)
last @ 17-1 ..never involved at any point

parx 12 (5:41)
#8 mission first (8-1)
out @ 6-1

8/20 wednesday ****

colonial 3 @ 1:28
#1 splash of jack (8-1)
out @ 20-1

8/21 thursday ****

nothing

8/22 friday ****

del mar 5 @ 8pm
6 charlie foxtrot (4-1)
3rd (of 6) @ 5-1


8/23 saturday ****

ellis 1 @ 12:50
7 colonel caliente (6-1)
WON $14.72



a couple involved in stakes
outside of the 5 tracks

timonium 9 (4:02) listed
6 discreet ops (2-1)
WON $6.20


woodbine 9 (5:51) grade 3
5 a little frisky (15-1)
4th @ 16 -1 (about 2 lengths from winner)


8/24 sunday ****

ellis 9 (4:42)
11 hope restored (15-1)
out @ 16-1


monmouth 10 (5:01)
statebred stakes .. full siblings
6 molly's a bullet (12-1)
7 bel pensiero (8-1)

4th (of 10) @ 46-1
WON $7.40


del mar 4 (6:33)
6 saint miheil (6-1)
out @ 25-1

[Easy-Rider 66]

Have to admit, the track owners being affiliated with the CAW’s is a little slimy. These people with mega bucks have no shame when it comes to trying to accumulate more money.
I think it’s a sickness. I mean, cmon man, help out other people. I think it’s gross.

THX STR for your takes. Yeah I was surprised to see that NYRA and CDI are affiliated with these groups.

[str]

Some prominent track operators own the betting platforms used by CAW players, with The Stronach Group and the New York Racing Association owning one such company, Elite Turf Club, and Churchill Downs Inc. owning another known as Velocity. A Sept. 5, 2024, document outlining Elite Turf Club for the California Horse Racing Board said TSG owns 80% of Elite and NYRA 20%. Elite Turf Club is responsible for the bulk of CAW play on California racing, while Velocity is primarily focused on CDI-owned tracks.

Speaking last summer before the CHRB, Scott Daruty, president of TSG's Monarch Content Management and Elite Turf Club, acknowledged that the effectiveness of CAW teams raises the effective takeout for retail players. The aforementioned 2024 document estimated Elite's wagering results in a 2.5% increase in effective takeout for retail players.

Have to admit, the track owners being affiliated with the CAW’s is a little slimy. These people with mega bucks have no shame when it comes to trying to accumulate more money.
I think it’s a sickness. I mean, cmon man, help out other people. I think it’s gross.

[str]

I do know one player for sure and probably more that are a big part of the CAW scene. While the CAW betting has added to a takeout kind of, without them, at least 1/2 of that money and probably more would be wagered anyway by a small group of individual players. That’s what happened back in the day when the high rolling sharps bet individually.
So it’s not all gloom and doom. And I thought about if this was the rule in Florida, 2 minutes to post is really more like 8 minutes to post because they are purposely late to make sure they get every drop of handle.
I personally find that as bush league and if I was a horseman there with any pull, I would be screaming about it. It’s amateurish. I wouldn’t bet a nickel at that place.

[str]

Some prominent track operators own the betting platforms used by CAW players, with The Stronach Group and the New York Racing Association owning one such company, Elite Turf Club, and Churchill Downs Inc. owning another known as Velocity. A Sept. 5, 2024, document outlining Elite Turf Club for the California Horse Racing Board said TSG owns 80% of Elite and NYRA 20%. Elite Turf Club is responsible for the bulk of CAW play on California racing, while Velocity is primarily focused on CDI-owned tracks.

Speaking last summer before the CHRB, Scott Daruty, president of TSG's Monarch Content Management and Elite Turf Club, acknowledged that the effectiveness of CAW teams raises the effective takeout for retail players. The aforementioned 2024 document estimated Elite's wagering results in a 2.5% increase in effective takeout for retail players.

Yes. It does. And while they have every right to be able to bet that money, the other 80% of the handle should have more consideration than the CAW’s IMO.

[str]

CAW teams bet vast sums of money—accounting for 20% or more of the handle at some racetracks. Usually, CAW wagers are sent in the final moments before a race's start through sophisticated wagering technologies. Sometimes the amounts of money wagered and the timing of those wagers results in dramatic odds changes. The information on those odds changes often isn't fully available until after the gates open.

It really is unfair to the public IMO. At least with two minutes, some fans will have a chance to adjust their plays.

[str]

Hey STR: Did you hear that Del Mar decided to shut down computerized whale wagering 2 minutes till post. on win bets. I guess they were receiving some complaints from regular betting folk on the fluctuations of the odds late. what do you know if anything about CAW's.

I would hope that every jurisdiction would follow this. Fans just cannot be expected to have this stuff take place. It is totally unacceptable in my book.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Some prominent track operators own the betting platforms used by CAW players, with The Stronach Group and the New York Racing Association owning one such company, Elite Turf Club, and Churchill Downs Inc. owning another known as Velocity. A Sept. 5, 2024, document outlining Elite Turf Club for the California Horse Racing Board said TSG owns 80% of Elite and NYRA 20%. Elite Turf Club is responsible for the bulk of CAW play on California racing, while Velocity is primarily focused on CDI-owned tracks.

Speaking last summer before the CHRB, Scott Daruty, president of TSG's Monarch Content Management and Elite Turf Club, acknowledged that the effectiveness of CAW teams raises the effective takeout for retail players. The aforementioned 2024 document estimated Elite's wagering results in a 2.5% increase in effective takeout for retail players.

[Easy-Rider 66]

CAW teams bet vast sums of money—accounting for 20% or more of the handle at some racetracks. Usually, CAW wagers are sent in the final moments before a race's start through sophisticated wagering technologies. Sometimes the amounts of money wagered and the timing of those wagers results in dramatic odds changes. The information on those odds changes often isn't fully available until after the gates open.

[Easy-Rider 66]

Hey STR: Did you hear that Del Mar decided to shut down computerized whale wagering 2 minutes till post. on win bets. I guess they were receiving some complaints from regular betting folk on the fluctuations of the odds late. what do you know if anything about CAW's.

[JBEX]

only two of the tracks going .. posted lone entry

[JBEX]

results for today and entries for tomorrow posted

[JBEX]

parx 11 scratched

[JBEX]

previous weeks

10959/10994/10999/11026/11063/11108/11134


week 8 .. 8/18-8/24

opening day sar to last day dmr (mid sept)
ARMY MULE progeny at ...

saratoga/del mar/monmouth/ellis/colonial

monday and tuesday will look at all tracks ..weds to sunday the 5 above

everything for this week will be in this post
will be a notification when I post




8/18 monday ****

parx 9 (4:18)
#1 amy mule (15-1)
4th @ 12-1 .. 11 horse field

parx 11 (5:14)
#5 mission first (10-1)
scratched

prarie meadows 10 (8:51)
#2 come on mulitch (10-1)
3rd @ 3-2 .. 5 horse field w/ 2 scratches


8/19 tuesday ****

parx 1 (12:40)
#10 forward move (8-1)
last @ 17-1 ..never involved at any point

parx 12 (5:41)
#8 mission first (8-1)
out @ 6-1

8/20 wednesday ****

colonial 3 @ 1:28
#1 splash of jack (8-1)


forwarded next page

[batt33]

I think they are out of touch with the customer base. Sad.

well not the result I wanted..... a bunch a little quicker out of the gate.....

[JBEX]

nothing sunday .. today's results posted 11134

[JBEX]

“It’s Our Time”

Saratoga first time starter.

That might be the most impressive first start by any 2 year old horse I have ever seen.

That time and the way he did it was unbelievable .

crushed them with ease

[batt33]

“It’s Our Time”

Saratoga first time starter.

That might be the most impressive first start by any 2 year old horse I have ever seen.

That time and the way he did it was unbelievable .

Yes it was !

[str]

“It’s Our Time”

Saratoga first time starter.

That might be the most impressive first start by any 2 year old horse I have ever seen.

That time and the way he did it was unbelievable .

[batt33]

I will get to previous posts for sure.

Just wanted to say one thing:

If the NY stewards don’t get their heads screwed on right quickly, and I’m being kind, this stuff they have decided to allow to happen leaving the gate at Saratoga will end tragically.

For Gods sake, what the hell is going on up there !

Dad and I watched and wondered why the stewards didn't even look at the 7th race( I believe) yesterday .. or at least put the sign up...

[str]

I will get to previous posts for sure.

Just wanted to say one thing:

If the NY stewards don’t get their heads screwed on right quickly, and I’m being kind, this stuff they have decided to allow to happen leaving the gate at Saratoga will end tragically.

For Gods sake, what the hell is going on up there !

[JBEX]

added saturday's .. army mule

post 11134

[batt33]

Have a horse in the 9th race on Sunday at saratoga.... won his maiden race impressively last fall .... shut down for the winter ( pretty much a turf only horse. )He started getting back into training and then needed the tie back surgery( STR and I chatted about the surgery in earlier post... because another horse that I was involved with had it... well she moved on to better things!) so any way here we go!

Real Savvy Race Overview

Real Savvy makes his return to the races in the ninth race on Sunday, Aug. 17 at Saratoga. He’ll be the #5 among a full field of 10. Miguel Clement has tabbed rider Flavien Prat, who piloted your son of Authentic to his maiden-breaking victory last fall. Post time is 5:45 p.m. ET.

Real Savvy will be making his first start of the year, as well as his first since having throat surgery. Up to this point, all indications suggest that the procedure has been successful. He stacks up well with this bunch, especially if he can take the step forward from his freshman to sophomore year. Best of luck to all owners.



More on the competition:

#1 Zapruder: A 5-year-old gelding who has spent much of his career thus far in the claiming ranks . He will be making his first start for the Todd Pletcher barn, which typically does not get many new additions that look like this guy.

#2 Annexperience: Was an open-length winner last time out as he stretched out to two turns and earned a 90 Beyer for the effort. Will be facing winners for the first time in this spot.

#3 Detail Oriented: Not much turf pedigree for this colt, but they will give him a go in this spot. Was eased last time out in an off-the-turf event at this same level.

#4 Just for Luck: Has been competitive against open company and will get a touch of class relief as he switches to state-bred company for this race. A deep closer who will need some pace to close in to.

#6 The Paddock Pastor: Gets back in against state-bred company where he has been competitive in prior starts. Runs back fairly quickly here off of a fading effort going 1 3/8 miles.

#7 Van Vollenhoven: Won an off-the-turf maiden event two back before posting a runner-up finish in another rained-off race at this level. Will try to get back to the lawn here where he has only ran over on on occasion. Figures will need to improve for this one to be a factor.

#8 Li’l Lang: Will go two turns on the turf for the first time. He should appreciate the added ground and has run well at this level in multiple previous occasions.

#9 Royal Browne: Will have to send to the lead from this outside post. Steps up from the claiming ranks into allowance company for this race. Looks to be up against it in here.

#10 Sounds Like a Plan: Another who will likely attempt to send to the lead from this outside post. Was loose on the lead against state-bred stakes company last time out where he was caught late finishing third. Looks to be a stakes-caliber horse, but has a very tough draw in this race.

[Pigpen]

I think they are out of touch with the customer base. Sad.

[JBEX]

1 army mule today .. 11134

[batt33]

Did you guys see the race over the weekend at Saratoga where they ran a race at a mile and a sixteenth that was carded for a mile and one eighth? They put the gate in the wrong starting position. I had no skin in the race but if I would have had the 10 on the nose I would be pissed.

I missed that also... and for it to fly under the radar.... well.... the industry struggles enough now days as it is.... and then this happens

[Pigpen]

Also, you are correct this should have been corrected before the start. I went back to watch a replay of Saratoga Live and they never brought it up before or after the race. It is not their job but I would think they were watching the splits and the final time. Nothing.