Horse Racing questions and answers

[Madison]

Looks like he ran a decent race finishing 2nd. I did notice that the horse that beat him was one of only two horses that won from coming more than about 2 lengths off the lead all day. Did not watch all of the races but I do find that rather curious.

2nd start adding 2.5f. Looked a little green and possibly a bit ragged in the stretch. If you watch the race again STR I always watch the horses (Young) ability to rate first few starts. I think was a challenge as the horse/jockey has their eyes on the very fast front runner and maybe didn't see the 8 coming late outside???

[batt33]

uncle mo an excellent dam sire ..lot's of potential there!

I hope so! all 4 foals will hopefully be sold at a sale.... Not sure what ones... long way off for that! fingers crossed.

[batt33]

Yes. I think that is exactly what Lukas had on his mind in doing that with the stick. A teaching moment. Don't know if it worked or not. We will see when he runs. That can be a really hard thing to try and break with some horses. But, some horses still have a serious will to win but just by a head. I think it is attention to detail things like that, that help separate trainers from horsemen.

And that most likely will not correct the issue overnight, but it definitely plants a seed in the horses brain as he matures.

GL Batt. We will be rooting for you !

Thanks STR! I was kinda thinking the same thing ... it may take a little longer than just one workout... Found a post after ward ( not sure if it is true) that Lukas thought he would have won if the Jockey went to the left handed whip earlier.

[batt33]

Scary Batt. But... just another day at the barn. All the things that can happen. It is why I often say that no news is good news sometimes when it comes to horses.

Glad to hear she is OK.

Thanks!

[batt33]

I sure do. If I went to a sale and came home with 2-3 Army Mules, I would be thrilled.

I can't stress enough that I always found that heart, and the pure will to compete and win, outweighs any breeding, conformation and perfect health . I will opt for the former every single time. Horses, people, anything.

Search back for the James (Jimmy) Hamilton story that LKid asked me about a few years ago. Vinnie Perrone did a piece in some magazine/ paper about him. Good ole Vinnie, always really liked that guy. Great writer back in my time there.

And yes, the movie Rudy, is one of my all time favorites. Lol.

Tagging along with STR. (and trying my best analogy ) For the best part every horse has a flaw( If they don't you are paying through the nose) . So bloodstock agents when looking at confirmation always have their opinion on what does and doesn't matter... ( head , Neck, balance withers, stride, tracking ,,,etc)based on previous success with those type of horses.. and the other is what STR said above ... the sire.... Heart and brains....
I remember( long ago) being around some of the most" mindless" horses for lack of better word you ever did see and wondered how they ever made it to the track vs some horses that just had the heart and brains and ran their tails off.. Think of " Bold Badget" sired horses vs some bigger named sires at the time.

So yeah great value for the horses and more likely to be more forgiving with conformation issues.

[JBEX]

I remember this one from 2 weeks ago.
Should improve today. I have to think he runs 1,2,3 in there somewhere.

The 11 is an interesting firster on paper at what seems like a nice price.

with the lack of works (except 1 slow 4f in jan) between races think lasting as well as he did was a good showing..what happened in feb lol

[str]

by army mule ..oak R2 #2 battleoftheravine (8-1) @ 2:03

we saw his race 2 weeks ago ..got some useful conditioning off a 2 month layoff and adds blinkers

I remember this one from 2 weeks ago.
Should improve today. I have to think he runs 1,2,3 in there somewhere.

The 11 is an interesting firster on paper at what seems like a nice price.

[JBEX]

by army mule ..oak R2 #2 battleoftheravine (8-1) @ 2:03

we saw his race 2 weeks ago ..got some useful conditioning off a 2 month layoff and adds blinkers

[str]

batt post

" When I get some time going to take a closer look at some video's to see why the price.
Took a look, I was hoping for a head on shot or walking away shot never did show it. I don't have a real good eye looking from the side."



have not figured out 2 quotes in the same posr so just copy and pasted batt's


either of you..kind of a rhetorical question but at this point having seen enough of the army mule's; do you think in the $20-60k range you are more likely to get something worthwhile vs the avg sire in his fee range ..if there are conformity flaws this sire is more likely to overcome them vs others ? guess the latter question kind of relates to the first

I sure do. If I went to a sale and came home with 2-3 Army Mules, I would be thrilled.

I can't stress enough that I always found that heart, and the pure will to compete and win, outweighs any breeding, conformation and perfect health . I will opt for the former every single time. Horses, people, anything.

Search back for the James (Jimmy) Hamilton story that LKid asked me about a few years ago. Vinnie Perrone did a piece in some magazine/ paper about him. Good ole Vinnie, always really liked that guy. Great writer back in my time there.

And yes, the movie Rudy, is one of my all time favorites. Lol.

[str]

and then this happend.... Yesterday
Tiffany's Mo Update



Tiffany’s Mo presented with colic symptoms this morning and was taken to the clinic as a precaution. The cause of her colic is nephrospleenic entrapment, which is not an uncommon occurrence for mares after they foal. The hope is to avoid surgery, and so far they have been able to do that. She remains stable at this time. We will stay in contact with the clinic and with Gainesway and pass along any updates as they come to us.

then an update this morning!
Tiffany’s Mo Update



Tiffany's Mo worked through the nephrospleenic entrapment with medical support at the clinic and did not require surgical intervention. She and her foal have returned back to Gainesway this morning.

Scary Batt. But... just another day at the barn. All the things that can happen. It is why I often say that no news is good news sometimes when it comes to horses.

Glad to hear she is OK.

[str]

meant to respond got sidetracked, Yes I did see that!

Wow. Very nice new foal Batt.

[str]

Love you get your thoughts STR on this workout by Caldera. Looks like the Jockey was asking him and using the whip. Do you think Lucas was using this as a teaching moment to go by the horse instead of the "herd mentality" he did in the Sunland Derby?
Compared to his last workout which seemed effortless.. this seemed like it took effort. the workout was a bullet.
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1969428036.mp4


Caldera to the Louisiana Derby

Caldera worked five furlongs in company this morning at Oaklawn Park in preparation for his next start, covering the ground in a swift :59.60.

At this time we can confirm at this time that your son of Liam’s Map will have his next start in the $1 million Louisiana Derby (G2), Mar. 22 at Fair Grounds. Hall of Fame trainer D. Wayne Lukas has booked Tyler Gaffalione to ride your colt, which many will consider an upgrade. Tyler is one of the top riders in the United States having been an Eclipse Awards finalist for outstanding jockey on multiple occasions. His strong-armed riding style will certainly complement Caldera’s running style. Entries for the Louisiana Derby will be taken tomorrow. We will be back with an update once entries are out.

Yes. I think that is exactly what Lukas had on his mind in doing that with the stick. A teaching moment. Don't know if it worked or not. We will see when he runs. That can be a really hard thing to try and break with some horses. But, some horses still have a serious will to win but just by a head. I think it is attention to detail things like that, that help separate trainers from horsemen.

And that most likely will not correct the issue overnight, but it definitely plants a seed in the horses brain as he matures.

GL Batt. We will be rooting for you !

[str]

Here's an interesting youngster. Your thoughts STR (and other regulars) always appreciated. HYMN going today AOC OP R7. 1 start OP 2/8 R10. Stretching way out today from 6F MSW to 8.5F AOC. Son of McKinsie. Quite the episode in the stretch in first.

Also have a Vekoma/AP Indy #1.

Looks like he ran a decent race finishing 2nd. I did notice that the horse that beat him was one of only two horses that won from coming more than about 2 lengths off the lead all day. Did not watch all of the races but I do find that rather curious.

[JBEX]

batt post

" When I get some time going to take a closer look at some video's to see why the price.
Took a look, I was hoping for a head on shot or walking away shot never did show it. I don't have a real good eye looking from the side."



have not figured out 2 quotes in the same posr so just copy and pasted batt's


either of you..kind of a rhetorical question but at this point having seen enough of the army mule's; do you think in the $20-60k range you are more likely to get something worthwhile vs the avg sire in his fee range ..if there are conformity flaws this sire is more likely to overcome them vs others ? guess the latter question kind of relates to the first

just realized you kind of answered that question in your post str lol

[JBEX]

I would throw a party if I got one for 22k. These Army Mules seem to overcome big odds regularly from the auction block.

batt post

" When I get some time going to take a closer look at some video's to see why the price.
Took a look, I was hoping for a head on shot or walking away shot never did show it. I don't have a real good eye looking from the side."



have not figured out 2 quotes in the same posr so just copy and pasted batt's


either of you..kind of a rhetorical question but at this point having seen enough of the army mule's; do you think in the $20-60k range you are more likely to get something worthwhile vs the avg sire in his fee range ..if there are conformity flaws this sire is more likely to overcome them vs others ? guess the latter question kind of relates to the first

[JBEX]

She's the Mom!

uncle mo an excellent dam sire ..lot's of potential there!

[batt33]

so tiffany's mo is the dam of the liam's map colt ? either way glad she's ok

She's the Mom!

[JBEX]

meant to respond got sidetracked, Yes I did see that!

so tiffany's mo is the dam of the liam's map colt ? either way glad she's ok

[batt33]

and then this happend.... Yesterday
Tiffany's Mo Update



Tiffany’s Mo presented with colic symptoms this morning and was taken to the clinic as a precaution. The cause of her colic is nephrospleenic entrapment, which is not an uncommon occurrence for mares after they foal. The hope is to avoid surgery, and so far they have been able to do that. She remains stable at this time. We will stay in contact with the clinic and with Gainesway and pass along any updates as they come to us.

then an update this morning!
Tiffany’s Mo Update



Tiffany's Mo worked through the nephrospleenic entrapment with medical support at the clinic and did not require surgical intervention. She and her foal have returned back to Gainesway this morning.

[batt33]

just didn't want this to get passed over as it was a bottom page post..possibly you've seen or would've anyway



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meant to respond got sidetracked, Yes I did see that!
and speaking of Liams map.. one of the mares I have gave birth to a Liams map colt!

[batt33]

Yeah, as green as he seemed almost hope he fails but has encouraging effort.

What do you all think about these McKensies?

He ran a heck of a race. I don't follow the Mckinzies to closely to be honest.

[JBEX]

thanks batt and agree str ..nice to see her in capable hands ..added of interest the $3M sales topper was out of a liam's map mare (by gun runner)

just didn't want this to get passed over as it was a bottom page post..possibly you've seen or would've anyway



.

[batt33]

Love you get your thoughts STR on this workout by Caldera. Looks like the Jockey was asking him and using the whip. Do you think Lucas was using this as a teaching moment to go by the horse instead of the "herd mentality" he did in the Sunland Derby?
Compared to his last workout which seemed effortless.. this seemed like it took effort. the workout was a bullet.
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1969428036.mp4


Caldera to the Louisiana Derby

Caldera worked five furlongs in company this morning at Oaklawn Park in preparation for his next start, covering the ground in a swift :59.60.

At this time we can confirm at this time that your son of Liam’s Map will have his next start in the $1 million Louisiana Derby (G2), Mar. 22 at Fair Grounds. Hall of Fame trainer D. Wayne Lukas has booked Tyler Gaffalione to ride your colt, which many will consider an upgrade. Tyler is one of the top riders in the United States having been an Eclipse Awards finalist for outstanding jockey on multiple occasions. His strong-armed riding style will certainly complement Caldera’s running style. Entries for the Louisiana Derby will be taken tomorrow. We will be back with an update once entries are out.

[Madison]

I like the Jockey trainer combo, It always scares me a little when a horse is doing something new I.E. the "stretch out vs others who already have.
1 horse has gone the distance and the 6 broke his maiden first time out going a mile and a 16th.
I would watch the odds/ will pays for a hint..

Yeah, as green as he seemed almost hope he fails but has encouraging effort.

What do you all think about these McKensies?

[batt33]

Here's an interesting youngster. Your thoughts STR (and other regulars) always appreciated. HYMN going today AOC OP R7. 1 start OP 2/8 R10. Stretching way out today from 6F MSW to 8.5F AOC. Son of McKinsie. Quite the episode in the stretch in first.

Also have a Vekoma/AP Indy #1.

I like the Jockey trainer combo, It always scares me a little when a horse is doing something new I.E. the "stretch out vs others who already have.
1 horse has gone the distance and the 6 broke his maiden first time out going a mile and a 16th.
I would watch the odds/ will pays for a hint..

[batt33]

Well... as you know Batt, it can be troublesome. But, the horse is in HOF hands in Cristopher Clement. If anyone can make this work, it is him.

We will hope for the best in the coming weeks Batt. Hang in there.

Thanks STR

[Madison]

Here's an interesting youngster. Your thoughts STR (and other regulars) always appreciated. HYMN going today AOC OP R7. 1 start OP 2/8 R10. Stretching way out today from 6F MSW to 8.5F AOC. Son of McKinsie. Quite the episode in the stretch in first.

Also have a Vekoma/AP Indy #1.

[JBEX]

I am glad to see that she is getting a real serious shot with some very nice horses. I am sure she earned that and her reputation on the backside must be stellar.

Good for her.

thanks batt and agree str ..nice to see her in capable hands ..added of interest the $3M sales topper was out of a liam's map mare (by gun runner)

[str]

Cherie DeVaux

I am glad to see that she is getting a real serious shot with some very nice horses. I am sure she earned that and her reputation on the backside must be stellar.

Good for her.

[str]

Black Tie Optional Update ( Not this time)



Black Tie Optional is doing well at Wavertree Stables. As you will see in the photo, he is going through a bit of a growth spurt and awkward phase, but he continues to catch the eye. He remains on a weekly speed work routine and can be seen galloping above. When purchasing this colt, we never had plans for him being a particularly early type. Based on his physical changes, patience and time is only going to benefit him. None of these are negative things, but they will be taken into consideration when we decide on timing for shipping him to the track.
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1912027739.mp4

Batt, Lololol,

Every time I see this horse in a video, I start laughing. He reminds me of several of mine over the years. He no doubt has ability but he doesn't give a crap, he just wants to be a kid and is enjoying everyday but no idea what he is actually doing there..

I really do like this guy. His personality is really special. I laugh when I see him walk around. I watch his eyes and try and see what he is thinking. His mind is going 100 MPH with different thoughts. I find him hilarious.

Thanks for sharing. I can't get enough of this guy.

[Easy-Rider 66]

^ THX for the info STR. Interesting take.

[str]

ups and downs of horse racing.....
Real Savvy Update



Real Savvy had his second breeze yesterday since shipping in to Payson Park, covering a half-mile in :51 flat. Team Clement has observed that he has been making some noise during training since rejoining the barn, and put a dynamic scope on him for the work to evaluate his airway while under the stress of exercise.

The dynamic scope revealed that the left arytenoid cartilage does not fully abduct—meaning his airway is not opening fully.

In some cases, decreased arytenoid function would warrant a tie-back surgery, but for now Dr. Karen Beste of Palm Beach Equine Clinic, who performed the initial evaluation; and Dr. Gary Priest, who provided a second opinion, believe we should continue on unless and until Real Savvy’s performance seems impacted by his asymmetrical airway.
Dr. Beste said, “My thought is to take him to a race and see how he runs. If he runs poorly then take him to surgery. If he runs well keep going and if his performance starts to drop recheck and do the surgery then. This will give you some assurance that the procedure is absolutely necessary. Dr. Priest is in agreement.”

This is no doubt frustrating news and unfortunate timing, but we at least take it as a positive that the vets do not believe that surgery is definitely necessary at this time. We’ll continue to let Christophe monitor the situation and go from there.

Well... as you know Batt, it can be troublesome. But, the horse is in HOF hands in Cristopher Clement. If anyone can make this work, it is him.

We will hope for the best in the coming weeks Batt. Hang in there.

[str]

Hey STR: FG R8. the horse in question is the #3 Ancient World. cost 525K. a 3-year-old. If able watch the replay. Interested to get your take on Him. You can access the PP's thru into mischief.
Not sure of the quality of the field he beat but a heck of a performance. THX in advance.

After watching the race, I had to find a chart to see who this excellent, patient, smart rider was. No surprise, it was Jose Ortiz.

The horse got caught doing what many firsters will do when loaded inside which is to not be fully prepared for what is coming. Simply because they have never done that before to the extent of that race. The horse was not sure what was going to happen when the race started. No idea. But, that is almost what you want . The alternative is having to settle nerves which is difficult and sometimes impossible.

So the rider, immediatly takes a hold of the horse and allows him to settle into stride. It was his only chance to win and his best chance to improve in the next few starts. Such a smart, veteran move from a HOF'er in Ortiz.

The rest was pretty simple. He got the horse to relax and await instructions. The kickback did not bother him very much at all.
He got a nice break when he slipped through a set of horses turning for home and the rest was predictable. Switched leads on que and got a lot out of that race. He looked a little tired, more like winded probably which is fully expected.

I would assume he gets about 4 weeks before he runs back in a nw/2. I hope it is not a stake. Why? Because he needs to mentally improve which he will if allowed to. That trainer is pretty sharp, no pun intended, well maybe just a little, and I have no doubt every step forward will be well thought out. I hope so. He is a real good horseman and married to Rosie Napravnik who was a real good rider.

Good to see some new blood get a chance witjh top quality horse flesh.

Thanks EZ.

[batt33]

ups and downs of horse racing.....
Real Savvy Update



Real Savvy had his second breeze yesterday since shipping in to Payson Park, covering a half-mile in :51 flat. Team Clement has observed that he has been making some noise during training since rejoining the barn, and put a dynamic scope on him for the work to evaluate his airway while under the stress of exercise.

The dynamic scope revealed that the left arytenoid cartilage does not fully abduct—meaning his airway is not opening fully.

In some cases, decreased arytenoid function would warrant a tie-back surgery, but for now Dr. Karen Beste of Palm Beach Equine Clinic, who performed the initial evaluation; and Dr. Gary Priest, who provided a second opinion, believe we should continue on unless and until Real Savvy’s performance seems impacted by his asymmetrical airway.
Dr. Beste said, “My thought is to take him to a race and see how he runs. If he runs poorly then take him to surgery. If he runs well keep going and if his performance starts to drop recheck and do the surgery then. This will give you some assurance that the procedure is absolutely necessary. Dr. Priest is in agreement.”

This is no doubt frustrating news and unfortunate timing, but we at least take it as a positive that the vets do not believe that surgery is definitely necessary at this time. We’ll continue to let Christophe monitor the situation and go from there.

[batt33]

Black Tie Optional Update ( Not this time)



Black Tie Optional is doing well at Wavertree Stables. As you will see in the photo, he is going through a bit of a growth spurt and awkward phase, but he continues to catch the eye. He remains on a weekly speed work routine and can be seen galloping above. When purchasing this colt, we never had plans for him being a particularly early type. Based on his physical changes, patience and time is only going to benefit him. None of these are negative things, but they will be taken into consideration when we decide on timing for shipping him to the track.

https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/blog/video/MyMovie180_1741912027739/MP4/MyMovie180_1741912027739.mp4