Horse Racing questions and answers

[batt33]

Not surprised at all. He showed effort and try. That is what makes for body sore unless you get pounded or smashed in the race. (Think of you deciding to start jogging or doing sit ups for the 1st time in forever and how your body will likely feel on the morning of day 2.)

Tying up while not best defined this way, is more of a shock both mentally and physically to the horses system, typically caused by circumstances the horse did not expect. While it is rather rare that a horse does actually tie up from racing ( it is generally seen after a workout or extended gallop of some sort), the symptoms are similar. It's more often than not both physical but helped by the mental that occurred during the event. Kind of like cramping up but it can be deadly if not treated and the horse responds soon thereafter. Sounds like he did respond so no worries. Usually more severe in Females than males generally speaking.
Again, Mike knows exactly what he is doing. Smart move to figure it out, cover every angle and devise a plan to get him where he needs to be for his next start.
Mike will achieve that.

Thanks again STR! as always I enjoy reading your thoughts!

[JBEX]

soldier n diplomat (army mule) is a scheduled to run on sunday in the rebel stakes at oaklawn .. this race is the 2nd leg in their derby prep series .. it's R11 and he's #10 (10-1 ml) .. post time is 6:23

just a reminder cause I posted this 3 days ago.. I'm neutral on him this race and mainly rooting for him to do well because of the sire..not a lot of speed inside of him and think he should be able to secure a good position into the turn to overcome the post..also might be a little tighter 2nd off the layoff ..ultimately think he's more cut out to be a sprinter/miler type but would love to see a good performance today and a shot to move on to a final leg prep race

[str]

Munny Problem has come back in mostly good order from yesterday’s debut, but the Trombetta barn notes that he appears a bit body sore today, which can often be a sign of tying up (an electrolyte imbalance that can cause muscle cramping and stiffness). It was on the warmer side yesterday, and that scenario—plus Munny Problem being asked to exert himself more than ever before—could certainly cause a horse to tie up.

Mike has ordered some blood tests to determine definitively whether or not Munny Problem did in fact tie up. It’s not a major concern moving forward, and is generally pretty manageable.

Otherwise, Mike shared our interpretation of the race and is still confident that Munny Problem has significant ability. He plans to work him from the gate again before a next start, and will also contemplate adding blinkers to help your colt stay more focused.

Not surprised at all. He showed effort and try. That is what makes for body sore unless you get pounded or smashed in the race. (Think of you deciding to start jogging or doing sit ups for the 1st time in forever and how your body will likely feel on the morning of day 2.)

Tying up while not best defined this way, is more of a shock both mentally and physically to the horses system, typically caused by circumstances the horse did not expect. While it is rather rare that a horse does actually tie up from racing ( it is generally seen after a workout or extended gallop of some sort), the symptoms are similar. It's more often than not both physical but helped by the mental that occurred during the event. Kind of like cramping up but it can be deadly if not treated and the horse responds soon thereafter. Sounds like he did respond so no worries. Usually more severe in Females than males generally speaking.
Again, Mike knows exactly what he is doing. Smart move to figure it out, cover every angle and devise a plan to get him where he needs to be for his next start.
Mike will achieve that.

[batt33]

Munny Problem has come back in mostly good order from yesterday’s debut, but the Trombetta barn notes that he appears a bit body sore today, which can often be a sign of tying up (an electrolyte imbalance that can cause muscle cramping and stiffness). It was on the warmer side yesterday, and that scenario—plus Munny Problem being asked to exert himself more than ever before—could certainly cause a horse to tie up.

Mike has ordered some blood tests to determine definitively whether or not Munny Problem did in fact tie up. It’s not a major concern moving forward, and is generally pretty manageable.

Otherwise, Mike shared our interpretation of the race and is still confident that Munny Problem has significant ability. He plans to work him from the gate again before a next start, and will also contemplate adding blinkers to help your colt stay more focused.

[batt33]

Honestly, I have no problem with the race at all. I saw enough to know that he will win. He got very tired. Makes sense. All that kickback from a wet track? Never happened to him before most likely. He was understandably confused and burned a ton of energy from the gate to the 5/8ths pole, finally took a breath, actually responded for about 6 jumps when asked but was clearly out of gas and leg weary at the 3/8ths pole area.
So what now? He needs to pick himself up, and he will, work a bit behind some horses and learn to split them or go by and finish up NOT out of air. Once he gets the hang of that, he will be ready to run back where he will improve. Of course Mike knows all of this.
He will be just fine, and now the expectations are low. Perfect time to get better. No pressure.

Thanks STR ! Always enjoy your critique !

[str]

just got to laugh... gates open... and he was looking at his phone and checking his email......

Honestly, I have no problem with the race at all. I saw enough to know that he will win. He got very tired. Makes sense. All that kickback from a wet track? Never happened to him before most likely. He was understandably confused and burned a ton of energy from the gate to the 5/8ths pole, finally took a breath, actually responded for about 6 jumps when asked but was clearly out of gas and leg weary at the 3/8ths pole area.
So what now? He needs to pick himself up, and he will, work a bit behind some horses and learn to split them or go by and finish up NOT out of air. Once he gets the hang of that, he will be ready to run back where he will improve. Of course Mike knows all of this.
He will be just fine, and now the expectations are low. Perfect time to get better. No pressure.

[batt33]

just got to laugh... gates open... and he was looking at his phone and checking his email......

[ProSportsEdge]

Typically when you’re gonna go long in your first start on the turf, one of the bigger keys is that you just don’t break, runoff, get tired, and finish poorly. Typically in a case like this, you want the horse to break and settle .

He can settle fourth or fifth because he broke great. He could settle seventh or eighth, because he broke in the pack or was wide or what have you. But to me, the key is to not get exhausted and finish up slowly. I would much prefer to see him laying ninth and wind up sixth then I would see him lay third and wind up last. The idea will be to build off this race for his second and then third start. So watch For the lead switching to be proper, the horse to be settled, if possible, and to finish if possible. If he can relax and begin to understand what is going on, that’s something to build on. Anything more than that is a bonus. Hope that makes sense.
The plan is to start his career and build from each effort. It is not to win first time out. If he does, awesome. But there is so much more to look for that can be positive and be built on and that is what you might want to look for.

That makes a lot of sense. It’s not always about winning first time out, it’s about how the horse runs and whether he settles and finishes the right way. I’d rather see him relax and close a bit than burn out up front. If he builds from this one, that’s a win in itself.

[ProSportsEdge]

This is where I might be behind in the times. There is soooo much info out there today that did not exist 10 years ago that I do not want to tell you the wrong thing. To my knowledge DRF.com ( Daily Racing Form) is still the leader in info. But be aware that their is SO much for you to learn and so many variables involved that if you bet more than 2.00 dollars a race at this point , I would say you are crazy. Probably best served to watch as many races as possible and just start to get a feel for the game.
So, with that said, please do me 2 favors.
1st. READ THE CHARTS of the races you watch the next day and review what you think you saw.
2nd. Learn to watch replays of every race you witness. Both angles. Even if you do not know what you are watching yet, you will see things along the way and become a better handicapper for it.
Most handicappers are only as good as there routine. Make sure that yours is better than the guys you are playing against , namely all the other bettors out there.
Keep me posted.

That’s great advice honestly. It’s easy to get overwhelmed with all the info out there now. Starting small, reading charts, and watching replays is the smart way to really learn the game. Routine is everything.

[batt33]

Typically when you’re gonna go long in your first start on the turf, one of the bigger keys is that you just don’t break, runoff, get tired, and finish poorly. Typically in a case like this, you want the horse to break and settle .

He can settle fourth or fifth because he broke great. He could settle seventh or eighth, because he broke in the pack or was wide or what have you. But to me, the key is to not get exhausted and finish up slowly. I would much prefer to see him laying ninth and wind up sixth then I would see him lay third and wind up last. The idea will be to build off this race for his second and then third start. So watch For the lead switching to be proper, the horse to be settled, if possible, and to finish if possible. If he can relax and begin to understand what is going on, that’s something to build on. Anything more than that is a bonus. Hope that makes sense.
The plan is to start his career and build from each effort. It is not to win first time out. If he does, awesome. But there is so much more to look for that can be positive and be built on and that is what you might want to look for.

Ah the Guru! so much more to look at and think about ! I always appreciate the insight! Thanks STR!

[str]

Thanks JBEX ! this is what the managers thought of the race and background history from Lukas to trombetta. On a side note Kinda cool to hear about what goes on... of course STR lived it!
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1966944622.mp4

Typically when you’re gonna go long in your first start on the turf, one of the bigger keys is that you just don’t break, runoff, get tired, and finish poorly. Typically in a case like this, you want the horse to break and settle .

He can settle fourth or fifth because he broke great. He could settle seventh or eighth, because he broke in the pack or was wide or what have you. But to me, the key is to not get exhausted and finish up slowly. I would much prefer to see him laying ninth and wind up sixth then I would see him lay third and wind up last. The idea will be to build off this race for his second and then third start. So watch For the lead switching to be proper, the horse to be settled, if possible, and to finish if possible. If he can relax and begin to understand what is going on, that’s something to build on. Anything more than that is a bonus. Hope that makes sense.
The plan is to start his career and build from each effort. It is not to win first time out. If he does, awesome. But there is so much more to look for that can be positive and be built on and that is what you might want to look for.

[batt33]

think there's potentially a lot of talented horses that will exit that race .. obviously difficult to win 1st out especially going two turns on the grass but will certainly be rooting for and would not be surprised with a good effort from yours .. I like #3 easy pick (9-2) and will probably post that in my thread tomorrow .. best of luck tomorrow batt

Thanks JBEX ! this is what the managers thought of the race and background history from Lukas to trombetta. On a side note Kinda cool to hear about what goes on... of course STR lived it!
https://cdnb-media.myracehorse.com/b...1966944622.mp4

[batt33]

I know Mike pretty well. Real good guy AND trainer. That low percentage for firsters makes total sense. Not saying he can’t win but am saying that race 2 will be better as will race 3, etc.
Thats his program and that was mine. Pretty cool lady to knowto hear Mike has your horse. He’s in good hands.
GL.

Good to know! Yes reading some of the updates with Mike and the managers you already know! I find it interesting that they are taking this route with him(long on the turf in his first start) and never working on the turf.... but kinda excited also with this route ! things ya just go hmmmm

[JBEX]

soldier n diplomat (army mule) is a scheduled to run on sunday in the rebel stakes at oaklawn .. this race is the 2nd leg in their derby prep series .. it's R11 and he's #10 (10-1 ml) .. post time is 6:23

post is unfortunate but I think there's not a lot of speed just inside of him so he might be able to get good position into the turn.. could see him putting in a good effort here

[JBEX]

soldier n diplomat (army mule) is a scheduled to run on sunday in the rebel stakes at oaklawn .. this race is the 2nd leg in their derby prep series .. it's R11 and he's #10 (10-1 ml) .. post time is 6:23

[JBEX]

think there's potentially a lot of talented horses that will exit that race .. obviously difficult to win 1st out especially going two turns on the grass but will certainly be rooting for and would not be surprised with a good effort from yours .. I like #3 easy pick (9-2) and will probably post that in my thread tomorrow .. best of luck tomorrow batt

[str]

I know Mike pretty well. Real good guy AND trainer. That low percentage for firsters makes total sense. Not saying he can’t win but am saying that race 2 will be better as will race 3, etc.
Thats his program and that was mine. Pretty cool to hear Mike has your horse. He’s in good hands.
GL.

[batt33]

I have a first time starter racing in race 5 at Gulfstream on Friday "munny problems#7" 8-1 on the morning line. The "coach"was pretty excited to have him in the barn.
Just around the time for his first breeze "the coach" passed away and Munny had some"bonebrusing" and hoof issues come up.

He was given some time off and after his break he was sent to Michael J. Trombetta.

He has been training lights out at gulfstream and the barn is very excited to see him run. It is interesting to see him debut in a mile grass race as there was a 6 furlong dirt race the following day. There are a couple of expensive purchases in the race, Trombetta is 1/16 with horses racing a distance of ground on the turf.

We shall see! here is a couple of interesting things.
Munny Problem Breeze Report



Munny Problem had his final breeze this morning at Gulfstream Park ahead of Friday’s debut. He worked alongside older stablemate Uncle’s Gold (Uncle Mo), a winner of his last two starts with 80 Beyer Speed Figures. The pair were reportedly a good match and breezed well together, stopping the clock in :47.81(4/46) for the half before galloping out five furlongs in 1:00 flat. Jockey Jorge Ruiz was aboard for the work and is very excited for race day.

[batt33]

I went to Laurel yesterday. My third or fourth time in the last two months. I am not really sure what the problem actually is but there is a problem.
I honestly cannot believe some of the things I am seeing and hearing.
A public forum is not the best place to start talking about it so for now I will not. But, if the buck keeps getting passed around and nobody steps up and takes control of the situation, it will most likely end badly. I can’t believe what I am seeing and hearing.
The phrase Rudderless ship comes to mind.
I’ll keep everyone posted.

Ugh STR, This has to be so frustrating.... just a sad state of affairs ...hopefully they find a"rudder"

[str]

the plan is to upgrade it,run the preakness there and and have a shorter meet if I remember correctly ?

A lot of things are up in the air currently. Any plans to train at Shamrock Farms are dead. It just wasn't conceivable. Looks like they need to seriously consider Laurel as home. But nothing for sure yet.

[JBEX]

I went to Laurel yesterday. My third or fourth time in the last two months. I am not really sure what the problem actually is but there is a problem.
I honestly cannot believe some of the things I am seeing and hearing.
A public forum is not the best place to start talking about it so for now I will not. But, if the buck keeps getting passed around and nobody steps up and takes control of the situation, it will most likely end badly. I can’t believe what I am seeing and hearing.
The phrase Rudderless ship comes to mind.
I’ll keep everyone posted.

the plan is to upgrade it,run the preakness there and and have a shorter meet if I remember correctly ?

[str]

I went to Laurel yesterday. My third or fourth time in the last two months. I am not really sure what the problem actually is but there is a problem.
I honestly cannot believe some of the things I am seeing and hearing.
A public forum is not the best place to start talking about it so for now I will not. But, if the buck keeps getting passed around and nobody steps up and takes control of the situation, it will most likely end badly. I can’t believe what I am seeing and hearing.
The phrase Rudderless ship comes to mind.
I’ll keep everyone posted.

[str]

I was talking with another poster and we discussed a former topic within this thread that I want to be sure everyone is well aware of. It is simply the " every other race pattern".
And it is as simple as the definition. Every now and then you will see a horses form where they literally run very well, every other race. Good effort, weak effort, good effort, weak effort. It's that simple.
Now it must be legit in that they are not placed in racers off solid efforts and into an unwinnable , over their head race. It has to be clear. But if it is, it is as close to getting tomorrows results today (a dream of mine when I was a kid, lol).

You do not see it that often but when you do, play on or against it. Ride the cycle. MUCH more often than not, you will be glad you did.

You can word search my thread (every other race) to read more about this.
GL.

[ProSportsEdge]

This is where I might be behind in the times. There is soooo much info out there today that did not exist 10 years ago that I do not want to tell you the wrong thing. To my knowledge DRF.com ( Daily Racing Form) is still the leader in info. But be aware that their is SO much for you to learn and so many variables involved that if you bet more than 2.00 dollars a race at this point , I would say you are crazy. Probably best served to watch as many races as possible and just start to get a feel for the game.
So, with that said, please do me 2 favors.
1st. READ THE CHARTS of the races you watch the next day and review what you think you saw.
2nd. Learn to watch replays of every race you witness. Both angles. Even if you do not know what you are watching yet, you will see things along the way and become a better handicapper for it.
Most handicappers are only as good as there routine. Make sure that yours is better than the guys you are playing against , namely all the other bettors out there.
Keep me posted.

yeah that makes sense honestly better to watch and learn first instead of donating money early i’ve started checking charts and replays and already seeing stuff i missed live appreciate the tips i’ll keep at it and update as i go

[batt33]

I could ramble on about King T. Leatherbury but I'm not going to. King wouldn't have wanted that. He got to the point. He was really funny. Laughed at himself when he messed up. A really good guy. So I'll tell a story or two. He would have liked that.

I spent probably 5-10 years trying to " figure him out" in my first years training. I looked to figure out all the trainers. Especially the claiming trainers because that is what I did. Most were easy. Some were tricky. But I would eventually understood through watching how they train, and how they place horses, how their horses looked from race to race, warmed up, pulled up, etc. and how everything fit their particular circumstances. That is how I was taught.

There was only one that I could never pin down. That was King T. You see, trainers are all about repetition. They have a system and most try and stick with it. Some of them do this, or some of them do that. Not hard to analyze if you know what to look for. But there was one trainer who I never was able to totally figure out. That was King.
Decades after I walked away from the game, I went back to a once a year horseman's reunion. I saw all my old friends. While there, I sat down with King and talked with him. He was glad to see me, and I, him .
I had known him well along with his wife and twin sons before I left the game. He welcomed me like a long lost friend. I explained to him about how I analyzed all the trainers in Md. and how he was always, the only trainer I could never figure out. And he solved any questions about analysis out in one minute. He said that he never had any pattern. He just trained them and tried to win with them. He didn't wait because of a bad workout, or bad post, or tough setup. He just trained them, ran them, reevaluated there numbers, figures, whatever, and ran them back. That was it. His morning routine was ridiculous. He was not there to witness it, but it was unbelievably shoddy. Everything about his barn seemed to be a joke. His grooms brought the wrong horse to the paddock to race at least once a year and typically more than that. No working on the legs . No braiding the manes. No flashy looks. Just lead em over and watch them run. Reassess, and run them back.
King was a numbers guy. He used the sheets from the very beginning. Ragozin was one of his owners. So while most all trainers were analyzing their horse after each race, watching to see if they ate, their coat, how they trained, etc. King went solely on numbers and statistics. He was one of a kind. Trainers did not know what to make of him in the late 60's and into the 70's. And most, like me, never fully understood what he was doing. King never cheated. Absurd to think he did. I still get a kick out of who people think cheated and who did not back then. In Md. , I knew everything about every trainer that there was to know. Strengths and weaknesses. Again, how I was taught to a degree and the level I took it to when I was there.


King was so frustrating to run against. I think I went head and head with him for a training title 4-5 times over the years. I never beat him when head and head going into the last week . I was 2 wins in front going into the last day of a Timonium meet. Had just one horse in. He had six or seven. Mine was in like the 3rd race? and he was in that race as well. He won the 1st race, then beat me in the 3rd race which tied us. I didn't have to wait long as he won the 4th and that was that. So I left, and he won a couple more after that. Pretty sure he won 5 that day. Hahaha.
Once winter at LAUREL , he beat me out but I won the first percentage award for best win % of the meet. He got a silver cup and I got a check for 1,000.00. We were in the winners circle together with Frank DeFrancis presenting the awards and when King heard that he got a cup and I got 1,000.00 check, we started hollering "Well, Go to Hell" give him the damn cup and give me the check! Everyone was laughing. Even king was a little, but he kind of meant it.

That was King. Too me, one of the greatest trainers I ever saw. Not because of any horsemanship but because he was decades ahead of everyone else in his thought process. What a fabulous guy he was. I was lucky to get to know him. Rest In Peace my friend.

What a great story! I enjoy you sharing stories from the "inside" Yes RIP KIng...... Batt

[str]

I could ramble on about King T. Leatherbury but I'm not going to. King wouldn't have wanted that. He got to the point. He was really funny. Laughed at himself when he messed up. A really good guy. So I'll tell a story or two. He would have liked that.

I spent probably 5-10 years trying to " figure him out" in my first years training. I looked to figure out all the trainers. Especially the claiming trainers because that is what I did. Most were easy. Some were tricky. But I would eventually understood through watching how they train, and how they place horses, how their horses looked from race to race, warmed up, pulled up, etc. and how everything fit their particular circumstances. That is how I was taught.

There was only one that I could never pin down. That was King T. You see, trainers are all about repetition. They have a system and most try and stick with it. Some of them do this, or some of them do that. Not hard to analyze if you know what to look for. But there was one trainer who I never was able to totally figure out. That was King.
Decades after I walked away from the game, I went back to a once a year horseman's reunion. I saw all my old friends. While there, I sat down with King and talked with him. He was glad to see me, and I, him .
I had known him well along with his wife and twin sons before I left the game. He welcomed me like a long lost friend. I explained to him about how I analyzed all the trainers in Md. and how he was always, the only trainer I could never figure out. And he solved any questions about analysis out in one minute. He said that he never had any pattern. He just trained them and tried to win with them. He didn't wait because of a bad workout, or bad post, or tough setup. He just trained them, ran them, reevaluated there numbers, figures, whatever, and ran them back. That was it. His morning routine was ridiculous. He was not there to witness it, but it was unbelievably shoddy. Everything about his barn seemed to be a joke. His grooms brought the wrong horse to the paddock to race at least once a year and typically more than that. No working on the legs . No braiding the manes. No flashy looks. Just lead em over and watch them run. Reassess, and run them back.
King was a numbers guy. He used the sheets from the very beginning. Ragozin was one of his owners. So while most all trainers were analyzing their horse after each race, watching to see if they ate, their coat, how they trained, etc. King went solely on numbers and statistics. He was one of a kind. Trainers did not know what to make of him in the late 60's and into the 70's. And most, like me, never fully understood what he was doing. King never cheated. Absurd to think he did. I still get a kick out of who people think cheated and who did not back then. In Md. , I knew everything about every trainer that there was to know. Strengths and weaknesses. Again, how I was taught to a degree and the level I took it to when I was there.


King was so frustrating to run against. I think I went head and head with him for a training title 4-5 times over the years. I never beat him when head and head going into the last week . I was 2 wins in front going into the last day of a Timonium meet. Had just one horse in. He had six or seven. Mine was in like the 3rd race? and he was in that race as well. He won the 1st race, then beat me in the 3rd race which tied us. I didn't have to wait long as he won the 4th and that was that. So I left, and he won a couple more after that. Pretty sure he won 5 that day. Hahaha.
Once winter at LAUREL , he beat me out but I won the first percentage award for best win % of the meet. He got a silver cup and I got a check for 1,000.00. We were in the winners circle together with Frank DeFrancis presenting the awards and when King heard that he got a cup and I got 1,000.00 check, we started hollering "Well, Go to Hell" give him the damn cup and give me the check! Everyone was laughing. Even king was a little, but he kind of meant it.

That was King. Too me, one of the greatest trainers I ever saw. Not because of any horsemanship but because he was decades ahead of everyone else in his thought process. What a fabulous guy he was. I was lucky to get to know him. Rest In Peace my friend.

[batt33]

Thanks STR! You are spot on in so many ways... I appreciate you sharing... makes me take a deep breath....

[str]

STR ... just saw that the "king" of Maryland racing passed away.... what a great person! I can only imagine the stories you have had with him... dealing with my Dad and in/out of the hospital....

Just makes me think to enjoy the times and "memeories"

Yeah. Darn shame. I will write about King in the coming days.

As for your dealings:

You are exactly on point Batt !!
Just ride the cycle as long as it runs and no matter how hard any one day is, feel blessed that there is a tomorrow with your folks. It won't last forever and the only thing that will really bug you after the fact is that you did not let the time with them " slow down" a little bit.

At this point, try not to fix everything just right, ( like I did) , or worry if it is not that way. It's all about them, their comfort, and their happiness, to whatever degree you can provide. Things are far from perfect with them in all probability. And that is frustrating for them. If they see you are frustrated as well, that becomes more of a burden because they only know one way to look at you, which is as their son, who THEY need to make sure is also ok.
The narrative has shifted. It took me too long to recognize that. I wish I had of sooner than I did.
That is the best advice I can give you. Think things through as they come so as to have as few regrets as possible when it all concludes.

And cherish everyday of it. You'll have the rest of your life to rethink it and you will feel much better for knowing you gave it all you had with their comfort and happiness in mind first. You will have done your job. One that they prepared you for all your life.

All the best Batt.

[batt33]

STR ... just saw that the "king" of Maryland racing passed away.... what a great person! I can only imagine the stories you have had with him... dealing with my Dad and in/out of the hospital....

Just makes me think to enjoy the times and "memeories"

[batt33]

Honestly, all any head of any horseman's assn., etc. really has to do is want it to succeed. Don't get me wrong, there will be growing pains as well as missteps. But, it WILL work and the help and relief of just knowing something is there for them when and if needed, will give those old, retired workers a reason to keep going.
As of now, the silence is deafening. Let them feel as though they have a failsafe? What that would do for a person in a bad position is unable to be measured. It's piece of mind.

You stand outside in the cold without a coat on but you have one in the car whenever you need it. No big deal right.
Now stand outside in that same cold and know that you do NOT have a coat or a car.

See the difference?

All we really need to do is implement this. The comfort from the cold will come from those in need knowing it exists. They are a proud group of people. Many won't take it or just the minimum. But knowing it's there if needed will go along way. Just like the coat in the car.

Thanks BATT !

"You stand outside in the cold without a coat on but you have one in the car whenever you need it. No big deal right.
Now stand outside in that same cold and know that you do NOT have a coat or a car.

See the difference?"

This is so so true..... great thought!

[JBEX]

WG puts in a nice effort off a long layoff in a reasonable spot in her previous race .. would've been the perfect opportunity to put her where she belongs next out

[JBEX]

That outside post ended up being just fine yesterday. The outside dominated the day it looks like from the charts. An Army Mule on the Derby trail is so cool. Thanks for the heads up JBEX !

Wisconsin Gal: I would have loved to be able to train a horse like her. Had my share but I really like her. She has the heart of a lion. She would flourish in the proper setting.

good point about the outside posts doing well and rethinking whether that really was a hard effort for SnD just by the visuals ..obviously only the trainer will know how he came out of it .. the winner couldn't have done it easier and as you saw the jock was standing up on the horse for I guess about the last 50 yards ..he's bred top and bottom to go far so the derby distance shouldn't be a problem if he makes it .. that being said also looking forward to seeing how SnD fares wherever they decide to run him .. derby type horse or not think he's got a promising future ahead of him

[str]

Will be watching! I have the #2 horse in the southwest in my KD future bets

That was a really good effort IMO. Only horse all day that had that type of trip and made it to the 1/8th pole. Look for a big rebound effort next out .

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the first leg of oaklawn's KY derby prep series friday has an army mule going in in it ..southwest stakes R11 #13 soldier n diplomat (12-1 @ 5:40),obviously the post draw is not good .. in the preceding race ,a listed stakes , #6 wisconsin gal ( 30-1) is also an army mule ..in over her head again str

That outside post ended up being just fine yesterday. The outside dominated the day it looks like from the charts. An Army Mule on the Derby trail is so cool. Thanks for the heads up JBEX !

Wisconsin Gal: I would have loved to be able to train a horse like her. Had my share but I really like her. She has the heart of a lion. She would flourish in the proper setting.

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I hope this works STR! Wishing you the best of luck !

Honestly, all any head of any horseman's assn., etc. really has to do is want it to succeed. Don't get me wrong, there will be growing pains as well as missteps. But, it WILL work and the help and relief of just knowing something is there for them when and if needed, will give those old, retired workers a reason to keep going.
As of now, the silence is deafening. Let them feel as though they have a failsafe? What that would do for a person in a bad position is unable to be measured. It's piece of mind.

You stand outside in the cold without a coat on but you have one in the car whenever you need it. No big deal right.
Now stand outside in that same cold and know that you do NOT have a coat or a car.

See the difference?

All we really need to do is implement this. The comfort from the cold will come from those in need knowing it exists. They are a proud group of people. Many won't take it or just the minimum. But knowing it's there if needed will go along way. Just like the coat in the car.

Thanks BATT !