Are People actually Dumb enough to believe the NBA is Rigged?

[sballen]

funny shit right there. referees and a tip-off in a baseball game!

That's how rigged it was. Crazy i tell you, just crazy.

[RubberKettle]

When was the last time Lebron had foul trouble like that?
I remember him fouling out of a playoff game vs celtics.

Didnt make a bet on the game but the officiating on his fouls was not normal, but then again when is NBA officiating normal. They have separate rules for different players, different games, different point of games.

[sballen]

K im done here. Can't talk any sense into anyone. Like arguing with a 10 year old, they just won't get it and you'll never win. Enjoy living in your own ignorance folks.

[nyplayer33]

if the nba refs dont call fouls on the star players the same its due to respect and maybe they want the game to showcase the stars..the nba commission who's net worth is prob 20 million plus..isnt risking an indictment for nba rigging telling the refs what to do...wake the fk up peop[le

[nyplayer33]

if u think the sport is unfair and not honest..simple..watch one of the other 130 channels on tv..become a fan of enhancing ur kids lives/parents/spouse etc..help the under privelaged..then u will be better then an all star is ur heart and before the highest power whoever that might be

[TwoWays]

It's all fixed. Game over

[vasilli07]

When was the last time Lebron had foul trouble like that?
I remember him fouling out of a playoff game vs celtics.

It's the 1st time in LBJ career that he got 5 fouls in 3 quarters.

[SharpAngles]

if the nba refs dont call fouls on the star players the same its due to respect and maybe they want the game to showcase the stars..the nba commission who's net worth is prob 20 million plus..isnt risking an indictment for nba rigging telling the refs what to do...wake the fk up peop[le

When was Vince McMahon indicted for rigging the WWF? Sports ENTERTAINMENT can be scripted.

[gasto]

Sharpanes thanks for the simple but poignant question. I am waiting to hear that one. How many boxing matches have been fixed.

The Feds have much more on their plate than dealing with willing consumers of sports entertainment. They simply don't care. There are victims so to speak even though gambling can have numerous negative effects if not handled with cam are.

[jtoler]

if the nba refs dont call fouls on the star players the same its due to respect and maybe they want the game to showcase the stars..the nba commission who's net worth is prob 20 million plus..isnt risking an indictment for nba rigging telling the refs what to do...wake the fk up peop[le

Youre clueless. And he doesnt have to tell them, they know what to do.

[James Marques]

K im done here. Can't talk any sense into anyone. Like arguing with a 10 year old, they just won't get it and you'll never win. Enjoy living in your own ignorance folks.

I'm with you pal... some people just believe what they want to believe. No concept of variance whatsoever. They also think the roulette wheel is rigged, the decks are stacked against them, the dice are loaded, etc. Anything to explain what they cannot understand logically. There's a lot of plain ol' dumb luck in sports.

[Eddy Munny]

You guys are unbelievable. It's always something, ain't it? Of course tonight it's Lebron and his foul trouble... A clear case of rigging. Any minor deviation from the norm, and it's a fix. Hundreds of NBA games are played each and every year, and over such a large sample size you expect absolutely everything to unfold according to your preconceived notions or else the fix is in.

How do you guys breath with your heads so far up your asses?

You allege they control everything with an iron fist and yet the most creative way they can conjure up a fix is to put their biggest star (and consequently their biggest cash cow) on the bench with foul trouble. Isn't that a bit like disqualifying Hulk Hogan from the main event? Tell me how that enriches the plot.

How are "real life" games supposed to go according to you? Every player plays their exact minutes, hits their exact averages in all categories, every foul call in real time is spot on, and the better team always wins?

Fvkk me, you can't even get two consecutive pickup games at the YMCA to pan out in this fashion. So are they all rigged too? Maybe the fat lady at the counter who hands me my towel had money on the other team, which would explain why my late game pass to the baseline went square off my teammate's face. He obviously took the dive, because in the previous game, that would have resulted in an assist.

Oh by the way, if any of you "fixers" actually bothered to watch the game, you may have picked up on the fact that Paul George played out of his mind. That may have something to do with the Pacers winning the game. Oh I forgot, you people believe that the size of the rim can be digitally manipulated remotely. But that wouldn't account for why PJ hit five 3-pointers while the rest of the Pacer team went 1-7 from downtown. They're all shooting at the same rim if I'm not mistaken, yes?

Nah, you guys got it all figured out.... The NBA figured let's just put our main attraction on the bench and leave him to rot. Nobody tunes in to watch the best player in the world anyways.

Anybody care to point out exactly which of the five fouls on Lebron were so egregiously called that a fix is the only possible explanation? Of course nobody is going to answer that... it would require rationale, objective thought, which apparently is absent in spades around here.

[James Marques]

You guys are unbelievable. It's always something, ain't it? Of course tonight it's Lebron and his foul trouble... A clear case of rigging. Any minor deviation from the norm, and it's a fix. Hundreds of NBA games are played each and every year, and over such a large sample size you expect absolutely everything to unfold according to your preconceived notions or else the fix is in.

How do you guys breath with your heads so far up your asses?

You allege they control everything with an iron fist and yet the most creative way they can conjure up a fix is to put their biggest star (and consequently their biggest cash cow) on the bench with foul trouble. Isn't that a bit like disqualifying Hulk Hogan from the main event? Tell me how that enriches the plot.

How are "real life" games supposed to go according to you? Every player plays their exact minutes, hits their exact averages in all categories, every foul call in real time is spot on, and the better team always wins?

Fvkk me, you can't even get two consecutive pickup games at the YMCA to pan out in this fashion. So are they all rigged too? Maybe the fat lady at the counter who hands me my towel had money on the other team, which would explain why my late game pass to the baseline went square off my teammate's face. He obviously took the dive, because in the previous game, that would have resulted in an assist.

Oh by the way, if any of you "fixers" actually bothered to watch the game, you may have picked up on the fact that Paul George played out of his mind. That may have something to do with the Pacers winning the game. Oh I forgot, you people believe that the size of the rim can be digitally manipulated remotely. But that wouldn't account for why PJ hit five 3-pointers while the rest of the Pacer team went 1-7 from downtown. They're all shooting at the same rim if I'm not mistaken, yes?

Nah, you guys got it all figured out.... The NBA figured let's just put our main attraction on the bench and leave him to rot. Nobody tunes in to watch the best player in the world anyways.

Anybody care to point out exactly which of the five fouls on Lebron were so egregiously called that a fix is the only possible explanation? Of course nobody is going to answer that... it would require rationale, objective thought, which apparently is absent in spades around here.

[akphidelt]

When was Vince McMahon indicted for rigging the WWF? Sports ENTERTAINMENT can be scripted.

Actually it can't. It has to be explicitly stated if it is scripted and the matches are not fair. The NBA would be dissolved if it was found out they rig games. You guys are really dumb.

[IamsoBurnt]

Actually it can't. It has to be explicitly stated if it is scripted and the matches are not fair. The NBA would be dissolved if it was found out they rig games. You guys are really dumb.

Lakers vs kings 2002 game 6 playoffs ....YouTube that

[IamsoBurnt]

There's a ref Tim Donahue or whatever how u spell his name he was once a nba ref and nba is rigged and btw I took the over 183.5 in heat vs pacers game 5 final 90-93 like how do they know to make the total so close and the players can't make a free throw in the end ..and y in the hell did lebron James kicked it out to bosh had a nice lay up but faked

[James Marques]

There's a ref Tim Donahue or whatever how u spell his name he was once a nba ref and nba is rigged and btw I took the over 183.5 in heat vs pacers game 5 final 90-93 like how do they know to make the total so close and the players can't make a free throw in the end ..and y in the hell did lebron James kicked it out to bosh had a nice lay up but faked

This must be a joke. It's pretty easy to get 1 out of 75 totals close to the line. A few fairly basic statistics will get you that much, guy. But more importantly, this is your evidence? Okay, it's rigged then. Why bet it? I mean I've literally never made a WWF bet in my life. I know it's staged. Kooks are all the same. They accept correlation as causation, and when you call them on it, they point to more correlation. Learn a little bit of mathematics, then talk about rigged shit. Show me Z scores, confidence intervals, chi-squared tests... literally anything other than "oh this total was 183.5 and it hit 183. Rigged."

[IamsoBurnt]

This must be a joke. It's pretty easy to get 1 out of 75 totals close to the line. A few fairly basic statistics will get you that much, guy. But more importantly, this is your evidence? Okay, it's rigged then. Why bet it? I mean I've literally never made a WWF bet in my life. I know it's staged. Kooks are all the same. They accept correlation as causation, and when you call them on it, they point to more correlation. Learn a little bit of mathematics, then talk about rigged shit. Show me Z scores, confidence intervals, chi-squared tests... literally anything other than "oh this total was 183.5 and it hit 183. Rigged."

Youtube game 6 lakers vs kings 2002 I think the year was explains it all

[IamsoBurnt]

And explain how serge ibaka or however u spell it...was out for the season rest of the playoffs or whatever ...and comes back like what shots did they give him...it's all entertainment ...but my opinion is that sports r rigged ...the trick is too pick the correct side.

[gasto]

These idiots who don't believe in the fix are crazy. You think the wise guys care about statistics. Donaghue in that 60 mins interview said he was betting 2000 a game but the FBI told him the wise guys were making millions off each game he correctly picked and he won over 80 percent of his bets. All he used was knowledge of relationships. And these we're mostly games he himself was not officiating in

All they did was go to him at a hotel and pick him up according to him. Let him know that they knew what he was up to and he should work with them or there is a possibility someone was going to visit his wife and kids down in Florida. Guy had no choice at that point.

How does stats explain how businesses used to or still are shaken down by the mafia. When the wise guys get to you you either cooperate or else.

The NBA is a very small business compared to the gambling business. Let me ask you this. The Premier league is big business in England. Heck Manchester United is the most expensive sports team in the world.

Yet the league allows teams to be sponsored or owned by betting houses in England and in Europe. Do you not see a conflict of interest. Stoke city is owned by Bet365 owners. Bet365 is a private company so they doe not have to file any information as to the going ons in their business.

And because you studied some stats you think that these betting houses seeing exposure in a particular game would not lean on Refs to maybe award a dubious penalty or just ref the game in a way that achieves desired outcomes. Or straight up tell their team to play to some desired outcome.

If you observe every night there is at least one baseball game that is off the board in terms of live betting. Yesterday it was Rangers vs Minnesota. Two gas can pitchers High Eras around 6. Texas has been hitting the ball so does Minny. Total set at 9. Minny favored and rightly so

Guess what. Final score 1 to O. 1 run scored and Texas won. The two most liky outcomes if you used your stats lost. And the game was not available for online betting at least on Bet365 and they carried every other game

So you can kiss hedging goodbye. Why. You figure it out. And stats will definitely not figure out why the one of the biggest live betting shop did not carry this game. Every night or so there is a game which seems obvious based on stats that it will go this way and at a very high rate it does not

One last example every week in baseball there is a couple games where a very good team plays a mediocre team with an average pitcher for mediocre team. Odds are set at around -190 or so for favorite team. 8 or 9 times out of 10 the favored team loses whether they are at home or not. Last night was Dodgers. Run your stats and let us know what you find out

[Cuse0323]

Here we are, 9 pages later with nothing changed. The proponents of every single game being pure and honest continue to go to the extreme end of the spectrum, never deviating from the same argument, nor listening or allowing any thought to enter but the same old shit they want to spew. It has to be that every single game is fixed and every single player, referee, coach, owner, league employee etc. is involved...no middle ground here. That's all I'm hearing, it's all or nothing and impossible to be done without every component of the NBA a part of it.

[Darkside Magick]

Gasto with the post of the year!!!!!!

[Eddy Munny]

Well maybe that's because hardly a single game goes by where the conspiracy gurus aren't whining about a fix. If they weren't crying wolf all the time, based on hollow, circumstantial evidence, it might be a little easier to digest the crap they're trying to shovel down our throats.

In the just the short lifespan of this very thread we've witnessed two rigged NBA games:

Game 3 Spurs/Thunder... Evidence: Ibaka returned from a calf injury and played well. He even block some shots and stuff.

Game 5 Heat/Pacers... Evidence: Lebron James got into foul trouble.

So this is the type of people you have championing the rigged side of the story. You can't reason with them. Nevermind the fact that if Bosh's three point attempt falls, Lebron's foul trouble is moot and the Heat win anyways... They'll just tell you he missed it on purpose, or worse, the remotely controlled digital rim was made smaller.

Everyone's a detective.

[Eddy Munny]

Gasto with the post of the year!!!!!!

Right, the same guy who thinks strippers are the power brokers of the NBA.

[mikemca]

I don't think there is some grand conspiracy to fix all the games but I do think the refs are waaaay to big of a factor.They decide how the game will be played out.

[EmpireMaker]

Serious question, are people actually dumb enough to believe that the NBA rigs games? I hear people say it, and I'm not sure if they seriously believe it or not because it is so stupid. I personally call it gambler's paranoia... because only a degenerate gambler can believe in such silly conspiracy theories. And yea, some international 3rd world country soccer was fixed and college basketball players where players make $0 threw games were rigged... but the NBA? A multi billion dollar global business? And please don't mention Bernie Madoff or Enron as if every business in the world is corrupt and those were the only ones that got caught. Just uneducated nonsense.

What would the logistics even be? Stern or Silver who make millions of dollars a year going to refs and telling them to fix a game? They are millionaires controlling a billion dollar organization... none of them would put that liability on themselves unless they were mentally insane. Even the one ref who was caught being a degenerate gambler had absolutely no evidence on the NBA fixing games. He had no evidence of Stern or any high level official telling them to fix a game a certain way, he had no juicy information of Vegas CEO's coming through and telling them to fix games, or the mafia, or millions of dollars exchanging hands. He dealt with low level local gamblers and provided them crap information about what refs felt like about players or coaches.

Absolutely nothing of value. Be honest, for those of you guys who believe the NBA is fixed... how many of you own an armadillo helmet?

It is rigged on level with professional wrestling. Anyone who thinks otherwise has teir head buried so far up their azz that they will never see daylight.

[Big Bear]

ofcourse the NBA is rigged. How the fukk do ya think Pacers won last night?

i tried to warn yall.

but nah posters like payton said " you guys are idiots who think the NBA is rigged. The Pacers are a deadman walking to their funeral." lol riiiggghtt....

[Indeep]

I don't think there is some grand conspiracy to fix all the games but I do think the refs are waaaay to big of a factor.They decide how the game will be played out.

You nailed it. I had the under last night, so no dog in the fight, but by calling it tight on Lebron and him ending up with 5 fouls early after he probably gets less fouls called on him than any player in the league all but secured a Pacers victory and extending it to game 6 and more ad revenue money for the league. Hmmm.

[Fred The Hammer]

You nailed it. I had the under last night, so no dog in the fight, but by calling it tight on Lebron and him ending up with 5 fouls early after he probably gets less fouls called on him than any player in the league all but secured a Pacers victory and extending it to game 6 and more ad revenue money for the league. Hmmm.

Brooklyn is a pretty decent sized market isn't it? That series went 5 and the Heat stole 2 games that the refs could've saved for the Nets. Nice try though

[gasto]

Eddy Munny you are a silly excuse for someone who claims to have an advanced degree or be an actuary. Or maybe I am just confusing you with the other poster here who tried to scare me about stats when I use that for a living.

One thing common I see is that these fools who dream that these games are not rigged never ever refute any of the information provided

You believe in Stats. Donoughe was winning over 80 percent of his bets based on knowing the relationships of refs owners and players. How much std deviation is that from the avg win percentage for bettors.

Not a piece of your small mind allows you to at least question or assume that there has to be some exogenous factors involved. Beyond sports being rigged there is something tiring about arguing with people whose mind is set and have little flexibility to change their views

I wonder how many people here actually have real college degrees let alone advanced degrees from big or real universities. I am sorry but Phoenix university may not be considered.

By the way being an actuary has never been synonymous with good reasoning logic as we can all see in this thread. Nobody said every game is fixed. It's probably a tiny percentage but it's the ones that matter where all the stats in the world point one way and the outcomes just make you wonder.

[James Marques]

Youtube game 6 lakers vs kings 2002 I think the year was explains it all

Youtube San Antonio and Detroit in the NBA Finals. What year was that, 2005 I think? Two tiny market cities playing in the most boring Finals of all time. But yeah, the league definitely rigged it to be that way. I have no doubt there are some corrupt refs, heck even some corrupt owners and coaches. But there's no way the entire league is fixed.

Who was that guy that had the theory that Michael Jordan was suspended from the NBA in secret for 2 years, and that's why he left to play baseball? That was one of my favorites. Every time there's a two point game, rigged. When the favorite wins by 20, crickets.

[sballen]

There's a ref Tim Donahue or whatever how u spell his name he was once a nba ref and nba is rigged and btw I took the over 183.5 in heat vs pacers game 5 final 90-93 like how do they know to make the total so close and the players can't make a free throw in the end ..and y in the hell did lebron James kicked it out to bosh had a nice lay up but faked

Do you recall how the game was a clear under the whole way until a blowout 4th quarter to actually get it close to the listed total? Hell, I took over 162 on a live bet midway thru the 3rd quarter. One thing I will say is this, your bookie must've phoned into the refs that your $5 over bet couldn't hit because you bet it. The refs then called a timeout to tell west that he had to miss the free throws because they couldn't let little lamsocunt win his bet. LMAO.

[thetrinity]

refs clearly have biases on games, donaghy even said certain guys biased against teams and coaches, dick bavetta favored underdogs. players rigging games is a joke

[Fred The Hammer]

Every other conspiracy/rigged numnut brings up Tim Donahue. Donahue DIDN'T RIG GAMES....HE RIGGED TOTALS. That was the beauty of it....he could just call more ticky-tacky fouls both ways and give each team 15 more ft's and nobody was the wiser for quite a while.

[Fred The Hammer]

Youtube San Antonio and Detroit in the NBA Finals. What year was that, 2005 I think? Two tiny market cities playing in the most boring Finals of all time.

San Antonio and New Jersey was another one....nobody cares about New Jersey