Are People actually Dumb enough to believe the NBA is Rigged?

[packerd_00]

No competition and no other entertainment there. NFL has teams that make more.

More pathetic excuses as usual. You have never been outside of your door what would you know about Italy or any other country for that matter.

[packerd_00]

Theres only three NFL teams that make more in annual revenue then Juventus

[SpreadSniper]

The fact that cheating goes on in soccer does not surprise me. 3rd world countries are corrupt. I'm talking about America here and there is no evidence like they have in Italy for their whacked out soccer leagues.

shouldn't you be driving your pick-up truck, or shooting guns or fukking your cousin?

No, America is not corrupt..... that really helps your credibility right there.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Rigged or not, if you spent more than 3 min on this thread, you are the fool. The guys that belive the NBA is not on the up and up, should let the ignorant get burried. And the folks that believe its 100% legit, should realize they will never be able to convince the skeptics.../thread

[akphidelt]

More pathetic excuses as usual. You have never been outside of your door what would you know about Italy or any other country for that matter.

Well all I know about it so far is that they are corrupt, lol. Not a good start.

[stevenash]

Absolutely nothing of value.

Key word: Value

Game six: 2002 Western Conference Finals
Sacremento Kings up 3 games to 2 on LA Lakers.

Scenario:
Close out game for Sacremento, if Kings win they go to NBA finals.
If Kings win, owners also lose a shitload of money that a game 7 would provide.
Also if Lakers win (game six and seven) the league benefits due to higher TV ratings which translates into more lucrative television contracts.

There's your value.

Suspicious:

Lakers shoot 27 free throws in the fourth quarter, Kings nine.
Some very suspicous touch fouls were called late in the fourth quarter that enable, assist, (use your own word) a Laker four point win.

Commentator Bill Walton was livid and voiced his displeasure about the 'horrible' officiating.
Consumer advocate Ralph Nader demanded an investigation the next day.
Direct quote from Nader:
“Referees are human and make mistakes but there comes a point that goes beyond any random display of poor performance”

4th Quarter Calls/Non-Calls in last five minutes

Time	<center>Score</center>	<center>Play</center>	<center>Type</center>	<center>Right Call?</center>	<center>Ref</center>	<center>Pro</center>	<center>Comments</center>	<center>SAC Pts</center>	<center>LAL Pts</center>
4:37	89-87 Lal	Divac fouled and makes the shot so and1 chance	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Sac	amazing pass by Webber
4:24	90-89 Sac	Shaq fouled by Webber on post move as CW doubles	Call	Yes	Bernhardt	Lal	replay Steve: Shaq spinning in and Webber does get him right on the noggin
3:56	90-90	Kobe shot blocked by Christie with no foul call with Kobe look to ref	No Call	Maybe	Bernhardt	Sac	hard to see on tv angle		-0.8
3:26	92-90 Sac	Late in Shot clock ball into paint to Shaq who goes up and Divac makes block from behind for jump ball call	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Sac	on replay Bill: that's a terrific play by Divac. Bad toss on jump ball by Bavetta helps Sacramento gain possession
3:06	92-90 Sac	Webber offensive foul…huge call as he makes the shot but wiped out. Horry moving on the play flops and gets the whistle although Webber leans in	Call	Maybe	Bernhardt	Lal	before replay Bill: and this is a terrible call. On seeing replay Bill: Webber has this all the way…look at his feet…on the outside of Robert Horry's	-1.3
2:58	92-90 Sac	Non call as Webber hits arm of Horry who loses control of ball	No Call	Wrong	Delaney	Sac	…but foul on Divac moments later so no cost to lal		0
2:56	92-90 Sac	Divac loose ball foul	Call	Yes	Delaney	Lal	Bill: Adelman is beyond belief here. Steve: but Horry was fouled on that play by Chris Webber (as replay shows) when he brings the ball across he rakes his arm
2:40	92-92	Christie pass deflected OB Kings retain possession	Call	Yes	Delaney?	Sac
2:34	92-92	Foul on Kobe as Bibby dribbles on switch. No FT but <4 secs left on shot clock at time of foul	Call	Yes	Bernhardt	Sac	on replay Steve: clearly a reach across
2:28	92-92	Webber missed fg airball while double teamed with no call with Horry defending and Kobe on double	No Call	Maybe	Bavetta	Lal	hard to see on tv but to miss so badly is suspicious and Webber looked to Bavetta for whistle	-0.6
2:16	92-92	O'Neal fouled on post entry pass by Funderburke	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Lal	bad position on call by Bavetta? But replay looks like there was sufficient contact for the call
2:06	93-92 Lal	Funderburke fouled by Shaq	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Sac	obvious call
1:54	94-93 Sac	Kobe drives to hoop along baseline and gets foul called on Christie with Webber coming over for block on help defense	Call	Prob	Bavetta	Lal	replay Bill: Bibby cannot believe it and falls to the ground saying what is happening here. Webber had a great block on the play. I'm not sure where the foul is other than Kobe jumping into defenders who are backing up. Steve: Christie opened up the baseline and now he's riding Kobe the entire way. Once Kobe goes in the air that call is not going in the favor of Christie.		0.5
1:37	95-94 Lal	Fox fouled on defensive rebound by Funderburke	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Lal	Obvious bad foul
1:27	97-94 Lal	Bibby fouled by Fisher	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Sac	Steve: an impossible cover for Derek Fisher. Caught reaching in (?) More body contact than arm contact to me.
1:15	97-96 Lal	Fox fouled by Turkoglu in paint with heavy contact	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Lal	Steve: he's reaching and trying to slap the ball away
0:52	99-98 Lal	Shaq makes basket with some minor contact by Webber with no call for the and1 option	No Call	Yes	Bernhardt	Sac
0:43	101-98 Lal	No call of foul when Bibby goes baseline for missed fg…MB wants call	No Call	Maybe	Delaney	Lal		-0.8
0:20	101-98 Lal	Blocking foul on Fox as Turkoglu moves in left corner	Call	Yes	Bavetta	Sac	Steve: Fox trying to get what he thought was going to be the game winning play but instead got the blocking foul
0:19	101-100 Lal	Intentional Foul on Kobe by Christie	Call	Intentional	All
0:12	103-102 Lal	Non call on forearm to chin by Kobe trying to break free of Bibby to catch inbounds pass	No Call	Maybe	All	Lal	Bibby also at fault for grabbing Kobe		0.5
0:11	103-102 Lal	Intentional Foul on Kobe by Christie	Call	Intentional	All
0:02	105-102 Lal	Intentional Foul on Horry by Turkoglu	Call	Intentional	All

Sorry to break the news to you OP
NBA games are fixed, not all of them, but where there are millions and millions of dollars to be gained, the league will make sure it goes in their favor.

Michael Wiborne of ESPN and Washington post said " too many call in the fourth quarter were stunningly incorrect, all against Sacremento, I have never seen officiating in a game of this consequence as bad as that in game six"


Would you like to revisit game seven of the 2000 Trail Blazer / Laker final?
Same sceneario as the aforementioned 2002 example.
The league would lose millions if Portland gets to the finals and not Los Angeles.

Portland's defensive guru's Scottie Pippen and Sabonis were each fouled out on four highly questionable touch and blocking calls.
Especially Sabonis who got fouls five and six on phantom calls, with Sabonis out, Portland was forced to use Brian Grant on Shaq.
How do you think that worked out. The allegations were for the refs to get Sabonis out of the game.
There are more suspicious calls in this game, but you get the gist.

2006 Heat / Mavs
Dwayne Wade went to the free throw line 25 times.
25 times !
Watch the replay of the game, experts have, 1000 times over, it's proven Wade was never touched, clear to the naked eye five times.
Five ghost, phantom fouls on the Mavs on Wade alone. Doesn't matter if Dallas had six more field goals, and eleven more rebounds than Miami, as long as the Heat get to the line 49 times, on bullshit calls, Miami is going to win.
49 to 25 was the difference in free throws.
Wade alone went to line 25x, same as the whole Mav team.

Oh, is it coincidence, in 2006 Converse, T-Mobile, Gatorade, and Lincoln automobiles were major paying advertisers in the playoffs.
You know who was the spokesperson for all those companies/corporations?
If you guess Dwayne Wade, you'd be correct.

Cuban got fined 250 K for screaming this at the scorer's table "F**k you, f**k you, your league is rigged" to Stern who was by the scorer's table right after the game.

Where there's smoke, there is fire.

Q? What's the difference between the WWE and the NBA

A. At least Vince McMahon admits his WWE is rigged.

[daneblazer]

One could say game 6 of Indianapolis and Atlanta this year was officiated in a way tailor made for the Pacers. Hawks still had a shot, but the way the game was called favored Indy. Rigged?

[sballen]

Quick question to all you conspiracy theorists:

Why is it that the vast majority of you have low income jobs?

Answer: because the job market is rigged against you. The reason, you don't have a proper education is because ever since birth, the school system decided to rig it against you. Want proof? Well just look where you are. It certainly couldn't be because you assclowns take NO responsibility for your actions.

[sballen]

Always easier to blame your failings on something outside your control because it then let's you get angry at others instead of recognizing how pathetic you really are.

In all seriousness tho, I talked to KD tonight am he's def rigging the game, he said he got caught at the local strip club and the free women and booze was just too much to pass up for rigging a measly WCF game. True story lol.

[stevenash]

Quick question to all you conspiracy theorists:

Why is it that the vast majority of you have low income jobs?

Answer: because the job market is rigged against you. The reason, you don't have a proper education is because ever since birth, the school system decided to rig it against you. Want proof? Well just look where you are. It certainly couldn't be because you assclowns take NO responsibility for your actions.

I have a high paying job and a tech degree and college education, I'm also smart enough to know that the NBA is rigged.
I just provided 3 and I can provide 30 more examples that the league is fixed, with facts you can't refute.
Go ahead, tell me where I am wrong?
You can't, so you are left with nothing but posting psycho-babble shit about taking no responsibility for actions.


The job market to an extent is rigged by the way.
You can be armed to the teeth with certifications and education and experience, but if Joe Average, who is the nephew of the board of directors wants the job you are applying for, he's going to get it over you.

[stevenash]

Always easier to blame your failings on something outside your control because it then let's you get angry at others instead of recognizing how pathetic you really are.

In all seriousness tho, I talked to KD tonight am he's def rigging the game, he said he got caught at the local strip club and the free women and booze was just too much to pass up for rigging a measly WCF game. True story lol.

Do us all a favor, please unsubscribe, or at very least bring something to the table.

Thank you in advance
signed - Those of us with at least a half a brain

[akphidelt]

I have a high paying job and a tech degree and college education, I'm also smart enough to know that the NBA is rigged.
I just provided 3 and I can provide 30 more examples that the league is fixed, with facts you can't refute.
Go ahead, tell me where I am wrong?
You can't, so you are left with nothing but posting psycho-babble shit about taking no responsibility for actions.


The job market to an extent is rigged by the way.
You can be armed to the teeth with certifications and education and experience, but if Joe Average, who is the nephew of the board of directors wants the job you are applying for, he's going to get it over you.

You did not provide a single piece of evidence the league is fixed. Cuban running his mouth or how many fouls Wade got is not proof it is fixed, lol. Just more logical fallacies.

[StackinGreen]

Indeed. Questions that beg more questions are speculation circle jerks

Proof is proof, ie evidence

[stevenash]

You did not provide a single piece of evidence the league is fixed. Cuban running his mouth or how many fouls Wade got is not proof it is fixed, lol. Just more logical fallacies.

Did you even read the above two references?

Read the entire body of work, do not cherry pick.
More proof than you can possibly need is in all three examples.
And I can cite scores more.

Disprove my points.
Show and tell me where I am wrong

[I/O]

Haven't read any of this thread.......with that said

Let's go with the K.I.S.S. method on this......if this hasn't been brought up

ALL of the HUNDREDS of busted out former pro players ......

And NOT ONE has come out and said in an interview for (insert $$ here) about some massive corporate conspiracy culture to fix games or fix the league??

Allen Iverson wouldn't step forward and have a tell all??

Scotty Pippen, Sean Kemp

[stevenash]

It's rigged in Park Ave offices, behind closed doors.
Players are not involved.

[akphidelt]

Did you even read the above two references?

Read the entire body of work, do not cherry pick.
More proof than you can possibly need is in all three examples.
And I can cite scores more.

Disprove my points.
Show and tell me where I am wrong

I read it all. You are wrong that is evidence the league is fixed. Associating NBA advertiser with how many fouls Wade got?? And you call that proof? Lol

You basically just listed off games that had questionable calls by human refs and consider that evidence.

[SpreadSniper]

this one night I was watching boxing, years back... I think it was like HBO fight night or something like that .... and this guy who was one of the announcers for the show went fukkin bananas because of the outcome of judges decision... basically saying the fight was fixed and how he was probably done announcing the fights because of how it was so obvious a screw job... all on live T.V.... wish I could find a video of it

[TwoWays]

nasher they don't know. they like to think big business is legit.

[jtoler]

It's rigged in Park Ave offices, behind closed doors.
Players are not involved.

Now you see how 911 truthers feel when you disvalued their articles of substance.

[cane]

Did you even read the above two references?

Read the entire body of work, do not cherry pick.
More proof than you can possibly need is in all three examples.
And I can cite scores more.

Disprove my points.
Show and tell me where I am wrong

No matter what profession there are always going to be the very best and very worst. You give a few examples of games that appear to have the potential for a "fix". Isn't it possible that those games just happen to be some of the worst officiated games ever called? I mean there has to be a few games where the refs got every call right and made only a couple of minor mistakes, and those would be the very best games ever officiated. I could take Michael Jordan's five worst games of his career, and show you his numbers, but that wouldn't prove that he's a bad player, just that that those were his worst games. Couldn't those games you talked about just be the worst refereed games ever?

[convick]

It's rigged in Park Ave offices, behind closed doors.
Players are not involved.

Classic confirmation bias. You will point out the handful of games that were shady and possibly rigged but you ignore the 1000s of other games that don't confirm your assumptions. This coming from me, one of the people that believe Jordan was "suspended", banned by the league when he retired the 1st time.

If the NBA was rigged I wonder why we got so many terrible Finals in the early 2000s and even as recently as 2007 when the Spurs swept Lebron and his D-League roster of teammates.

[jtoler]

You gotta understand Nash some calling you crazy only present themselves to be against you when in fact their not sure themselves, but for the sake of enlightenment will disagree with you vehemently, hoping, wishing, to be presented with evidence which they deem sufficient enough so they too can believe as you do.

[Bill Dozer]

Serious question, are people actually dumb enough to believe that the NBA rigs games? I hear people say it, and I'm not sure if they seriously believe it or not because it is so stupid. I personally call it gambler's paranoia... because only a degenerate gambler can believe in such silly conspiracy theories. And yea, some international 3rd world country soccer was fixed and college basketball players where players make $0 threw games were rigged... but the NBA? A multi billion dollar global business? And please don't mention Bernie Madoff or Enron as if every business in the world is corrupt and those were the only ones that got caught. Just uneducated nonsense.

What would the logistics even be? Stern or Silver who make millions of dollars a year going to refs and telling them to fix a game? They are millionaires controlling a billion dollar organization... none of them would put that liability on themselves unless they were mentally insane. Even the one ref who was caught being a degenerate gambler had absolutely no evidence on the NBA fixing games. He had no evidence of Stern or any high level official telling them to fix a game a certain way, he had no juicy information of Vegas CEO's coming through and telling them to fix games, or the mafia, or millions of dollars exchanging hands. He dealt with low level local gamblers and provided them crap information about what refs felt like about players or coaches.

Absolutely nothing of value. Be honest, for those of you guys who believe the NBA is fixed... how many of you own an armadillo helmet?

Have you seen Peter Loshak's interview with former referee Tim Donoghy?

[Eddy Munny]

My proof that the NBA isn't rigged is this current WCF..... Five games in, and five lopsided wins. Where's the drama come fourth quarter? Somebody call some phantom fouls and slim down this deficit already.

Need more evidence it's not rigged? The LA Clippers aren't playing. If you send the Clippers home early, you let the racists win. So I've concluded that either the NBA condones racism, or it's not rigged.

[akphidelt]

You gotta understand Nash some calling you crazy only present themselves to be against you when in fact their not sure themselves, but for the sake of enlightenment will disagree with you vehemently, hoping, wishing, to be presented with evidence which they deem sufficient enough so they too can believe as you do.

We can't be sure of something that doesn't exist, lol. That's why we call you guys loon conspiracy theorists.

[jtoler]

My proof that the NBA isn't rigged is this current WCF..... Five games in, and five lopsided wins. Where's the drama come fourth quarter? Somebody call some phantom fouls and slim down this deficit already.

Need more evidence it's not rigged? The LA Clippers aren't playing. If you send the Clippers home early, you let the racists win. So I've concluded that either the NBA condones racism, or it's not rigged.

How is that proof? The goal is ensuring a win for extended series not creating close games for purposes of drama which could easily backfire.

[jtoler]

We can't be sure of something that doesn't exist, lol. That's why we call you guys loon conspiracy theorists.

Youre on a posting frenzy after two years did you recently do a bid.

[James Marques]

Burden of proof is on the whacko theorists.... not the status quo. You make the accusation, you bear the burden.

[KVB]

After years of browsing I’ve decided to make my first post.I, like most other winning bettors, either read posts for information and opinions to use in novel, unconventional, and “out of the box” ways OR we simply don’t waste time if these type of forums, we are too busy winning. To the few true winners here…we are a rare breed indeed.

Now, I wanted my first post to name all the classic posters here from JJGOLD to leetreaper and everyone in between. There is no way to name all of you but most of you know who you are. I wanted to give the props where props are due, but that won’t happen today.
akphidelt…you have written many things, provided your reasoning and logic called other posters names and ages (which, regardless of age, shows your immaturity [I’m guessing fraternity boy]) when they provided their logic, and most of all criticized all responders for not proving that the NBA is rigged.
akphidelt…there is one thing you have not done. For someone who’s reality so relies on others to prove their points, you have proven nothing.
You started this post; you called people out for lack of proof in their evidence but, akphidelt, the burden of proof is on you. Why would you think all sports aren’t scripted? Legal statements, copyright notices and the words from the executives of the league all leave open the possibility that the whole thing is a soap opera.
I do know you have been wrong in your posts. What makes you think the NBA predetermining the outcome of a game is illegal? That is an incorrect notion.
There are two laws regarding the fixing of events in the USA.
1) You can’t bribe a player to fix a sporting event. That would be illegal.
2) You can’t fix a televised intellectual event (the famous quiz show of 60’s)
If the commissioner of the league wanted his ENTERTAINMENT product to reach a scripted outcome, it would be no different than a television show’s writers doing their jobs…and it would not be illegal…no players are “bribed” and the NBA sure as hell isn’t Jeopardy.
If you are so certain that sporting events can’t be rigged, then prove it.
I’ll make it easy, find an NBA representative (commissioner, legal counsel, player or ref, ANYONE) who claims it is not scripted…that would be a start for you. Remember, the posts above show a referee who claims that it is.
Just because you can’t imagine a situation, possibility, or reality in which all sports that are bet on are scripted does not mean that they aren’t.
The burden of proof akphidelt, is on YOU.
If you are so certain sports aren’t scripted, so certain that other people are “dumb enough”, then PROVE IT!
This should be interesting…

[akphidelt]

Youre on a posting frenzy after two years did you recently do a bid.

Don't worry about me. Worry about getting smarter.

[ChiLLx]

Nice rigged under by 1 point. WHAT the fukk...

[bob6199]

After years of browsing I’ve decided to make my first post.I, like most other winning bettors, either read posts for information and opinions to use in novel, unconventional, and “out of the box” ways OR we simply don’t waste time if these type of forums, we are too busy winning. To the few true winners here…we are a rare breed indeed.

Now, I wanted my first post to name all the classic posters here from JJGOLD to leetreaper and everyone in between. There is no way to name all of you but most of you know who you are. I wanted to give the props where props are due, but that won’t happen today.
akphidelt…you have written many things, provided your reasoning and logic called other posters names and ages (which, regardless of age, shows your immaturity [I’m guessing fraternity boy]) when they provided their logic, and most of all criticized all responders for not proving that the NBA is rigged.
akphidelt…there is one thing you have not done. For someone who’s reality so relies on others to prove their points, you have proven nothing.
You started this post; you called people out for lack of proof in their evidence but, akphidelt, the burden of proof is on you. Why would you think all sports aren’t scripted? Legal statements, copyright notices and the words from the executives of the league all leave open the possibility that the whole thing is a soap opera.
I do know you have been wrong in your posts. What makes you think the NBA predetermining the outcome of a game is illegal? That is an incorrect notion.
There are two laws regarding the fixing of events in the USA.
1) You can’t bribe a player to fix a sporting event. That would be illegal.
2) You can’t fix a televised intellectual event (the famous quiz show of 60’s)
If the commissioner of the league wanted his ENTERTAINMENT product to reach a scripted outcome, it would be no different than a television show’s writers doing their jobs…and it would not be illegal…no players are “bribed” and the NBA sure as hell isn’t Jeopardy.
If you are so certain that sporting events can’t be rigged, then prove it.
I’ll make it easy, find an NBA representative (commissioner, legal counsel, player or ref, ANYONE) who claims it is not scripted…that would be a start for you. Remember, the posts above show a referee who claims that it is.
Just because you can’t imagine a situation, possibility, or reality in which all sports that are bet on are scripted does not mean that they aren’t.
The burden of proof akphidelt, is on YOU.
If you are so certain sports aren’t scripted, so certain that other people are “dumb enough”, then PROVE IT!
This should be interesting…

lol creates an account today just to comment on this

[Eddy Munny]

Well Jtoler, I took a page from the "riggers" and presented circumstantial evidence as to why the NBA isn't rigged. I figured surely two can play at that game, right? Why let the riggers have all the fun?

But you said it's all about stretching a series out, which points to my earlier complaint about the riggers being all over the place. If I'm going to controvert their claims, it's like trying to hit a moving target because they're here one minute, and over there the next.

But let's say it's about stretching a series out. First of all, that disqualifies the entire regular season. Secondly, I posted earlier about recent series that failed to reach their potential, but I'll defer to Mr. Marques on this, as he makes some very good points in this regard.

Let's operate under the assumption that prolonging each series is in the NBA's best interest, for ratings sake. So let's assume that is the NBA's endgame.

Since 2003 (when the NBA moved to all "Best of 7" series), there have been 36 game 7's... including the 5 this year in the first round. Over that same span, 155 playoff series have been played. That means 23% of the NBA Playoff Series' since 2003 have gone 7 games. Theoretically, that number should be around 30%. However, one could argue (rightly so, IMO) that the first round is not nearly as competitive as the later rounds because of the obvious talent gap in the 1-8 and 2-7 seed games. So let's throw those out. So we're left with 18 game 7's in 81 series, including this year's second round (but not conference finals obviously, as they're not finished yet). The result is even lower at 22%, again significantly down from that 30% expected value. But we'll assume there's still a great deal of parity in the second round, so we'll throw that one out too. Now we're down to 6 7-gamers in 33 series total. That's a whopping 18%. But we'll keep throwing out data, let's just talk the Finals. Absolute closest thing we can get to an even matchup, right? A grand total of 3 Game Seven's out of 11 Finals played. That hits just over 27%, pretty close to what it should be. End result: our null hypothesis is bullshit.

Those damn numbers again.....

[SharpAngles]

Haven't read any of this thread.......with that said

Let's go with the K.I.S.S. method on this......if this hasn't been brought up

ALL of the HUNDREDS of busted out former pro players ......

And NOT ONE has come out and said in an interview for (insert $$ here) about some massive corporate conspiracy culture to fix games or fix the league??

Allen Iverson wouldn't step forward and have a tell all??

Scotty Pippen, Sean Kemp

Rasheed Wallace and Chris Webber are two that come to mind instantly and there's countless more who've made similar comments. Paul George was just fined 25k yesterday for talking about it after game 3.