Are People actually Dumb enough to believe the NBA is Rigged?

[SpreadSniper]

if u think the sport is unfair and not honest..simple..watch one of the other 130 channels on tv..become a fan of enhancing ur kids lives/parents/spouse etc..help the under privelaged..then u will be better then an all star is ur heart and before the highest power whoever that might be

Shut-the-fukk-up.... moron

Actually it can't. It has to be explicitly stated if it is scripted and the matches are not fair. The NBA would be dissolved if it was found out they rig games. You guys are really dumb.

You do the same.... you have obviously asked a rhetorical question to which you (in your mind) already know the answer to. The NBA is a big money making machine - for the players, owners, coaches, etc..... in order for say an owner to prove there is fixing going on they would have to kill the proverbial golden goose, to which end would spell the demise of their money-making machine.

What would you rather be, a rich guy who falls victim to cheating once in a while or the guy mowing my lawn?

[Fred The Hammer]

Eddy Munny you are a silly excuse for someone who claims to have an advanced degree or be an actuary. Or maybe I am just confusing you with the other poster here who tried to scare me about stats when I use that for a living.

One thing common I see is that these fools who dream that these games are not rigged never ever refute any of the information provided

You believe in Stats. Donoughe was winning over 80 percent of his bets based on knowing the relationships of refs owners and players. How much std deviation is that from the avg win percentage for bettors.

Not a piece of your small mind allows you to at least question or assume that there has to be some exogenous factors involved. Beyond sports being rigged there is something tiring about arguing with people whose mind is set and have little flexibility to change their views

I wonder how many people here actually have real college degrees let alone advanced degrees from big or real universities. I am sorry but Phoenix university may not be considered.

By the way being an actuary has never been synonymous with good reasoning logic as we can all see in this thread. Nobody said every game is fixed. It's probably a tiny percentage but it's the ones that matter where all the stats in the world point one way and the outcomes just make you wonder.

Pete Rose won all the time betting baseball....bookies said that was the only thing he could win at and he bet everything. It doesn't mean he was corking bats and doctoring baseballs for the Reds

[packerd_00]

Every other conspiracy/rigged numnut brings up Tim Donahue. Donahue DIDN'T RIG GAMES....HE RIGGED TOTALS. That was the beauty of it....he could just call more ticky-tacky fouls both ways and give each team 15 more ft's and nobody was the wiser for quite a while.

Why is that different,screwing around with the totals can make the difference between winning and losing. Your not making any sense.

[Fred The Hammer]

Why is that different,screwing around with the totals can make the difference between winning and losing. Your not making any sense.

If I call 7 more fouls on each team which results in 28 free throws.....doesn't necessarily give one team an advantage over another....as opposed to benching LeBron James w/fouls or some "conspiracy" like that

[thetrinity]

donaghy lived off refs biases in his nba betting supposedly at least. there was one playoff game he reffed where there was a million ridiculous foul calls where i happened to have the over in, i always thought that game was kind of shady, suns spurs game 3 2007 playoffs.

[packerd_00]

If I call 7 more fouls on each team which results in 28 free throws.....doesn't necessarily give one team an advantage over another....as opposed to benching LeBron James w/fouls or some "conspiracy" like that

And what if one of those teams is terrible at free throws and the other one is very solid. That could end up being a huge point swing in one teams favour,in the playoffs especially because the games come down to solid free throw shooting alot of the time. I don't know about Lebron,just pointing out screwing with free throw shooting can win or lose a game.

[James Marques]

Let's operate under the assumption that prolonging each series is in the NBA's best interest, for ratings sake. So let's assume that is the NBA's endgame.

Since 2003 (when the NBA moved to all "Best of 7" series), there have been 36 game 7's... including the 5 this year in the first round. Over that same span, 155 playoff series have been played. That means 23% of the NBA Playoff Series' since 2003 have gone 7 games. Theoretically, that number should be around 30%. However, one could argue (rightly so, IMO) that the first round is not nearly as competitive as the later rounds because of the obvious talent gap in the 1-8 and 2-7 seed games. So let's throw those out. So we're left with 18 game 7's in 81 series, including this year's second round (but not conference finals obviously, as they're not finished yet). The result is even lower at 22%, again significantly down from that 30% expected value. But we'll assume there's still a great deal of parity in the second round, so we'll throw that one out too. Now we're down to 6 7-gamers in 33 series total. That's a whopping 18%. But we'll keep throwing out data, let's just talk the Finals. Absolute closest thing we can get to an even matchup, right? A grand total of 3 Game Seven's out of 11 Finals played. That hits just over 27%, pretty close to what it should be. End result: our null hypothesis is bullshit.

Those damn numbers again.....

[Menses]

Its funny tho..When Conseco came out and implicated himself and half the players in the league for steroid use...the talking idiots at ESPN along with Joe Sixpack...called him a liar and said the allegations were bogus....LMAOOO....Look what happened.

Mark Cuban claims the 06 finals were not on the level...even goes to the FBI to have the league investigated...Stern fines him a billion dollars, the talking idiots at ESPN and Joe Sixpack say he is crazy.....LMAOOO...look what happens....Donaghy comes out, implicates himself and specifically points to several games in the past NBA playoffs that were indeed rigged..including the 06 finals...ends up going to jail for it..where some wise guy who was in on those fixes beats him half to death...and the talking idiots at ESPN along with Joe Sixpack claim he is a liar and calls anybody who believes him crazy...LOL...

Folks this is what happens when you fall in love..you can't see straight...Love is Blind..Joe Sixpack loves his sports more than he loves his car or his wife....You can tell a man his girl is cheating on him but he won't believe until you show him the Polaroids and even then he won't accept it...he might say it was someone else....LOL.....

Do folks not realize what happened last night..?.they set the public up..lol and everybody bought it hook line and sinker... They call the game slightly slanted in Miami's favor the night before...and George calls them out in public which I believe was deliberate...But Lebron does not acknowledge the advantage Miami clearly had...yes the turnovers were the difference...but the game was indeed called in Miami's favor...
The next thing you know Stephenson is blowing in Lebron's ear...while he amasses 4 fouls in one half...LOLOL.....Look at Lebron's face...he knows damn well his team is not supposed to win...he could have easily taken over that game late..but HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO....this is about money and ratings...its about story lines and drama...these boys have to follow the script...they don't like it but they have to....What is Lebron going to say after the game? "Its Rigged" ? LOLOL....he refused to acknowledge it when it happened in Game 4....so he has to bite the bullet...even though it was a blatant rig job....This was a masterful performance by the NBA....because as a fan you know in your gut what you saw was a deliberate fix...but neither the players or fans will have the guts to speak loudly about it...Lebron just flat out denied the fix the game before...LOL....even tho it was 34-17 FT's......in miami's favor...Look at Battier smiling after the call late in the 4th that went against him....hahaha...he knows what time it is....why don't you?

[Menses]

[Menses]

[Fred The Hammer]

Its funny tho..When Conseco came out and implicated himself and half the players in the league for steroid use...the talking idiots at ESPN along with Joe Sixpack...called him a liar and said the allegations were bogus....LMAOOO....Look what happened.

Mark Cuban claims the 06 finals were not on the level...even goes to the FBI to have the league investigated...Stern fines him a billion dollars, the talking idiots at ESPN and Joe Sixpack say he is crazy.....LMAOOO...look what happens....Donaghy comes out, implicates himself and specifically points to several games in the past NBA playoffs that were indeed rigged..including the 06 finals...ends up going to jail for it..where some wise guy who was in on those fixes beats him half to death...and the talking idiots at ESPN along with Joe Sixpack claim he is a liar and calls anybody who believes him crazy...LOL...

Folks this is what happens when you fall in love..you can't see straight...Love is Blind..Joe Sixpack loves his sports more than he loves his car or his wife....You can tell a man his girl is cheating on him but he won't believe until you show him the Polaroids and even then he won't accept it...he might say it was someone else....LOL.....

Do folks not realize what happened last night..?.they set the public up..lol and everybody bought it hook line and sinker... They call the game slightly slanted in Miami's favor the night before...and George calls them out in public which I believe was deliberate...But Lebron does not acknowledge the advantage Miami clearly had...yes the turnovers were the difference...but the game was indeed called in Miami's favor...
The next thing you know Stephenson is blowing in Lebron's ear...while he amasses 4 fouls in one half...LOLOL.....Look at Lebron's face...he knows damn well his team is not supposed to win...he could have easily taken over that game late..but HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO....this is about money and ratings...its about story lines and drama...these boys have to follow the script...they don't like it but they have to....What is Lebron going to say after the game? "Its Rigged" ? LOLOL....he refused to acknowledge it when it happened in Game 4....so he has to bite the bullet...even though it was a blatant rig job....This was a masterful performance by the NBA....because as a fan you know in your gut what you saw was a deliberate fix...but neither the players or fans will have the guts to speak loudly about it...Lebron just flat out denied the fix the game before...LOL....even tho it was 34-17 FT's......in miami's favor...Look at Battier smiling after the call late in the 4th that went against him....hahaha...he knows what time it is....why don't you?

Why do you guys watch then? If its all fixed bullshit? Lewis, Allen, and Wade were sinking 3s right and left and if Bosh makes the last one then Miami wins. Yeah thats some fix! Has it happened before...yes....does all the home cooking and star treatment in the NBA suck...definitely.....but that doesn't mean that every time some clown loses a bet by a point that it was fixed. In the 4Q last night at one point...James was 0-3 and the rest of the Heat were 8 for 10. So obviously LeBron is the only one fixing the game then...by your dumba$$ logic???? One of the top players of alltime is fixing a game to increase TV revenue....Riiigggghhttttt

[TwoWays]

let us suspend zach randolph for game 7 but let paul george play. all sports is fixed. game over.

[akphidelt]

You do the same.... you have obviously asked a rhetorical question to which you (in your mind) already know the answer to. The NBA is a big money making machine - for the players, owners, coaches, etc..... in order for say an owner to prove there is fixing going on they would have to kill the proverbial golden goose, to which end would spell the demise of their money-making machine.

What would you rather be, a rich guy who falls victim to cheating once in a while or the guy mowing my lawn?

So now all the owners are in on it to or at least know their teams are being screwed by the NBA but do nothing about it because they are making money. You have got to be a retard to actually believe this is going on in the NBA and everyone knows about it but won't say anything.

[James Marques]

Why do you guys watch then? If its all fixed bullshit? Lewis, Allen, and Wade were sinking 3s right and left and if Bosh makes the last one then Miami wins. Yeah thats some fix! Has it happened before...yes....does all the home cooking and star treatment in the NBA suck...definitely.....but that doesn't mean that every time some clown loses a bet by a point that it was fixed. In the 4Q last night at one point...James was 0-3 and the rest of the Heat were 8 for 10. So obviously LeBron is the only one fixing the game then...by your dumba$$ logic???? One of the top players of alltime is fixing a game to increase TV revenue....Riiigggghhttttt

Again, they offer no proof. No concrete numbers. Just supposition. A few shady calls, some bad beats where square bettors all took the "obvious" play, and a corrupt ref... and it's gospel to them. Coaches make mistakes all the time. Players do as well. Officials always seem to be screwing up. No one disagrees with any of this. What any sane person has to disagree with is that these 3 groups are all involved in a complicated scheme to rig the outcome of the games, all to make a few extra bucks on an extra game or two. There is absolutely no evidence to support that. Show me one e-mail, one memorandum, one phone conversation... anything. In typical conspiracy theory fashion, instead of answering questions, they add layers of complexity. The illusions of pattern.

[Menses]

let us suspend zach randolph for game 7 but let paul george play. all sports is fixed. game over.

lol

[akphidelt]

Again, they offer no proof. No concrete numbers. Just supposition. A few shady calls, some bad beats where square bettors all took the "obvious" play, and a corrupt ref... and it's gospel to them. Coaches make mistakes all the time. Players do as well. Officials always seem to be screwing up. No one disagrees with any of this. What any sane person has to disagree with is that these 3 groups are all involved in a complicated scheme to rig the outcome of the games, all to make a few extra bucks on an extra game or two. There is absolutely no evidence to support that. Show me one e-mail, one memorandum, one phone conversation... anything. In typical conspiracy theory fashion, instead of answering questions, they add layers of complexity. The illusions of pattern.

Keep in mind, I know this Menses guy posting all these conspiracy videos. He also thinks the 9/11 jets were holograms and that the passenger in JFK's car shot him. He's a real life conspiracy loon.

[James Marques]

let us suspend zach randolph for game 7 but let paul george play. all sports is fixed. game over.

You should have taken the blue pill.

[SharpAngles]

So now all the owners are in on it to or at least know their teams are being screwed by the NBA but do nothing about it because they are making money. You have got to be a retard to actually believe this is going on in the NBA and everyone knows about it but won't say anything.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/05/nba-officiating-mark-cuban-2006-finals-fbi-agent

You're obv trolling but I'll post this for the people who might be swayed by your powerful arguements

[akphidelt]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/05/nba-...nals-fbi-agent

You're obv trolling but I'll post this for the people who might be swayed by your powerful arguements

Lol, you just proved my point and you are too dumb to even realize it. Of course the owners would not sit back if they thought their team was being screwed by the NBA. Obviously Mark Cuban found nothing in this so nothing will come of it. But just goes to show that it would be very improbable for the NBA to get away with fixing games.

Thanks for proving my point dumbass.

[SharpAngles]

Retired FBI agent Warren Flagg, a 20-year veteran of the bureau, said he consulted with Cuban after that playoff debacle. Flagg now runs his own New York-based investigation and security firm. He looked deep into officiating, as Flagg said, Cuban was considering a lawsuit.
“Cuban asked me what he should do,” Flagg said of the 2006 Finals. “I told him, ‘Sue and you’ll win your case,’ but he knew he’d be killing the Golden Goose.”
When asked about his discussions with Flagg, Cuban said: “I don’t remember.”

[packerd_00]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/05/nba-...nals-fbi-agent

You're obv trolling but I'll post this for the people who might be swayed by your powerful arguements

I think we should leave this clown to his own devices. Doesn't matter how much evidence we've provided about match fixing.

[akphidelt]

I think we should leave this clown to his own devices. Doesn't matter how much evidence we've provided about match fixing.

You guys haven't provided any real evidence, lol. You guys are just paranoid and believe in the most circumstantial evidence you can find, lol. Even this Cuban story has been debunked...

Mark Cuban -
To set the record straight. I have never hired or consulted with any former FBI agents to investigate our 2006 Finals.

Warren Flagg -
Warren Flagg, the 27-year FBI veteran, disputes some of the details but did confirm that Cuban never hired or paid for any services by Cuban.


Cuban never sued the league, as Flagg has suggested he could to recover the money he was fined.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/22/mark-cuban-denies-hiring-former-fbi-agent-after-2006-finals/

[cane]

Keep in mind, I know this Menses guy posting all these conspiracy videos. He also thinks the 9/11 jets were holograms and that the passenger in JFK's car shot him. He's a real life conspiracy loon.

Is this really true? Holograms? If this is what he really believes, then obviously nothing he posts could ever be taken seriously.

[akphidelt]

Is this really true? Holograms? If this is what he really believes, then obviously nothing he posts could ever be taken seriously.

You don't know the half of it, lol. He is a REAL LIFE conspiracy theorist. Like beyond just wearing tin foil hats.

[packerd_00]

You guys havent provided any real evidence, lol. You guys are just paranoid and believe in the most circumstantial evidence you can find, lol. Even this Cuban story has been debunked...

Mark Cuban -
To set the record straight. I have never hired or consulted with any former FBI agents to investigate our 2006 Finals.

Warren Flagg -
Warren Flagg, the 27-year FBI veteran, disputes some of the details but did confirm that Cuban never hired or paid for any services by Cuban.


Cuban never sued the league, as Flagg has suggested he could to recover the money he was fined.



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...r-2006-finals/

You asked me to provide you with a link to match fixing in high level Soccer and when I did of course you went silent. You said Sports fixing does not happen unless it's on the lowest level

[akphidelt]

You asked me to provide you with a link to match fixing in high level Soccer and when I did of course you went silent. You said Sports fixing does not happen unless it's on the lowest level

I don't care about Italian soccer match fixing, lol.

[SpreadSniper]

So now all the owners are in on it to or at least know their teams are being screwed by the NBA but do nothing about it because they are making money. You have got to be a retard to actually believe this is going on in the NBA and everyone knows about it but won't say anything.

whatever there sport. I walk around with my eyes wide open, you walk around with a closed mind. You are the product of a spoon-fed American upbringing where things are the way they are because the powers that be said so. I can't prove karma exists but I've seen enough examples of it in my life to believe something like it exists. I've seen enough fukk jobs in the NBA to believe fixing to some extent does exist as well.....

So again, what are you trying to achieve here since your mind is already made up just like the next guys is? Do you want someone to apologize and admit you are right and those opposed are wrong?

[akphidelt]

whatever there sport. I walk around with my eyes wide open, you walk around with a closed mind. You are the product of a spoon-fed American upbringing where things are the way they are because the powers that be said so. I can't prove karma exists but I've seen enough examples of it in my life to believe something like it exists. I've seen enough fukk jobs in the NBA to believe fixing to some extent does exist as well.....

So again, what are you trying to achieve here since your mind is already made up just like the next guys is? Do you want someone to apologize and admit you are right and those opposed are wrong?

You're a conspiracy nutter. Lot of uneducated people are.

[4TH AND STUPID]

You're a conspiracy nutter. Lot of uneducated people are.

Lolno offencedude but you're the one who's presening themselves as uneducated. Nobody is saying that yhe entire sport is rigged or every game is rigged. But if you can't understand that wherever there is money involved (stskeholders) there are agendas, then you are truly an idiot. Certaimn officialas have certain agendas, not every game or every play, but when the agenda is there it is easy to identify. Youre obviously making zero money or know nothing about sports handicapping so have fun losin money. If you've actually been watching the games and you can't identify the ones where there was significant favoritism (edge) on one side, you're stupid as shit haha

[James Marques]

whatever there sport. I walk around with my eyes wide open, you walk around with a closed mind. You are the product of a spoon-fed American upbringing where things are the way they are because the powers that be said so. I can't prove karma exists but I've seen enough examples of it in my life to believe something like it exists. I've seen enough fukk jobs in the NBA to believe fixing to some extent does exist as well.....

So again, what are you trying to achieve here since your mind is already made up just like the next guys is? Do you want someone to apologize and admit you are right and those opposed are wrong?

False consciousness is a really convenient thing. If you wonder why it is you fail in life, just blame it on the fact that nothing is real and everything was predetermined. "It's not my fault my bets are losing... it's all a fraud! Now I can pat myself on the back for noticing it."

Occam's Razor buddy, look it up.

[packerd_00]

I don't care about Italian soccer match fixing, lol.

Your so full of crap,you said fixing doesn't happen on a high level,I proved that to be total bunk.

[SpreadSniper]

You're a conspiracy nutter. Lot of uneducated people are.

I asked you a question fukkstick... how's about you answer that?

[Fred The Hammer]

The NBA is a bunch of fixed bullshit but what time is the game?

[James Marques]

The NBA is a bunch of fixed bullshit but what time is the game?

[easyliving]

These idiots who don't believe in the fix are crazy. You think the wise guys care about statistics. Donaghue in that 60 mins interview said he was betting 2000 a game but the FBI told him the wise guys were making millions off each game he correctly picked and he won over 80 percent of his bets. All he used was knowledge of relationships. And these we're mostly games he himself was not officiating in

All they did was go to him at a hotel and pick him up according to him. Let him know that they knew what he was up to and he should work with them or there is a possibility someone was going to visit his wife and kids down in Florida. Guy had no choice at that point.

How does stats explain how businesses used to or still are shaken down by the mafia. When the wise guys get to you you either cooperate or else.

The NBA is a very small business compared to the gambling business. Let me ask you this. The Premier league is big business in England. Heck Manchester United is the most expensive sports team in the world.

Yet the league allows teams to be sponsored or owned by betting houses in England and in Europe. Do you not see a conflict of interest. Stoke city is owned by Bet365 owners. Bet365 is a private company so they doe not have to file any information as to the going ons in their business.

And because you studied some stats you think that these betting houses seeing exposure in a particular game would not lean on Refs to maybe award a dubious penalty or just ref the game in a way that achieves desired outcomes. Or straight up tell their team to play to some desired outcome.

If you observe every night there is at least one baseball game that is off the board in terms of live betting. Yesterday it was Rangers vs Minnesota. Two gas can pitchers High Eras around 6. Texas has been hitting the ball so does Minny. Total set at 9. Minny favored and rightly so

Guess what. Final score 1 to O. 1 run scored and Texas won. The two most liky outcomes if you used your stats lost. And the game was not available for online betting at least on Bet365 and they carried every other game

So you can kiss hedging goodbye. Why. You figure it out. And stats will definitely not figure out why the one of the biggest live betting shop did not carry this game. Every night or so there is a game which seems obvious based on stats that it will go this way and at a very high rate it does not

One last example every week in baseball there is a couple games where a very good team plays a mediocre team with an average pitcher for mediocre team. Odds are set at around -190 or so for favorite team. 8 or 9 times out of 10 the favored team loses whether they are at home or not. Last night was Dodgers. Run your stats and let us know what you find out

if you believe all of this then why are you still wasting your time betting?