Originally posted by AndTheyreOff
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Why do you even bother trying to explain the obvious to this guy, his idea's are usually more than 2 deviations from the norm and no matter how many have tried to straighten him out he has the unique ability to agree with himself 100% of the time.Comment -
And can they please remove it. It has been up long enough. Good Gracious.
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Sorry your opinions are not very credible to me. I need evidence, not some made up shit about what you think goes on in the real world. You guys seem really dumb. Believing that a multi-billion dollar organization with a bunch of millionaires just commit federal crimes like it is nothing, lol. The fact you guys are serious that the NBA rigs its games is probably the funniest thing about this conversation. Like children believing in the Easter Bunny.Originally posted by 15805Comment -
Don't feed the trolls I guess.Comment -
Yea, it's trolling to believe that the NBA is not rigging games, lol. You guys have a serious case of gamblers paranoia.Originally posted by AndTheyreOffComment -
What planet are you living on? This happens daily...no conspiracies or any of that. People/organizations are literally doing that as I type this...no comment on sports fixing, but I have seen some crazy examples of people not playing by "the rules". There is just so much irony in bold.Originally posted by akphideltComment -
Lol, there are far more people/organizations that don't commit crimes than that do. Acting like the entire world is just some big old conspiracy where there are no one that takes the law seriously is very uneducated and the sign of someone who does not have much connection to the real world.Originally posted by NrmlCurvSurfrComment -
I cant be bothered to read this whole fukking thread.... I (for one) don't think the fix is in EVERY FUKKIN game like you are eluding to. I don't think EVERY FUKKIN player, coach and owner is on the take, like you are eluding to. Sure, coaches and players and owners are millionaires/billionaires. I never said coaches, players or owners are in on the fix. If you can't see how refs (the only ones who aren't millionaires/billionaires) favor one team over another in certain key spots (such as the playoffs), then you sir are a blind man walking bare-assed backwards through a corn field.Originally posted by akphidelt
The same people who you call "dumb" return the favor by calling you "naive".
Now can we agree to disagree and let this fukkin thread die already?Comment -
I refuse to believe this guy is serious. Don't feed the trolls on this one. Good luck on your plays ak. Once you lose your bankroll PM me so you could be ahead of the curve.Comment -
Nope, thread lives until all the idiots that believe the NBA is fixed with no proof admit they are conspiracy theorists. And your argument is not the same as people saying the NBA fixes games. Referees having biases or making bad calls is not the same as the NBA telling the refs to favor one team over the other. Even the one ref that was caught with degenerate gamblers had no proof the NBA ever told the refs to pick one team over another. All he had was evidence that referees have thoughts and are human. Referees making bad calls is much different than the NBA fixing games. Probably why the NBA allows refs to review plays in the last two minutes. To make the game even more legit.Originally posted by SpreadSniperComment -
So, believing the NBA is fixed is a sign of a good bettor? Lmao. You have gambled for far too long. You need to take a break if you actually believe what you are saying.Originally posted by AndTheyreOffComment -
Hey, I'm just pointing out that some people don't play by the rules. And they break the law like it's nothing. It's not far fetched, which is what my original quote was suggesting.Originally posted by akphideltComment -
It's very far fetched and the consequences are very severe. Just because it does happen doesn't mean it is happening in every company or business in the world. The logistics of covering up fixes in the NBA are pretty much impossible. You pretty much are left to rogue refs and even they will get caught eventually. When the players and refs get on the court it is what it is. Best athletes in the world playing basketball. The winner will be determined by coaching and performance, not some contrived scheme from shadowy figures in the NBA.Originally posted by NrmlCurvSurfrComment -
Originally posted by akphidelt
You think the stock market/gold market is manipulated???? Being you, probably not!Comment -
I think entities with a lot of money and power can manipulate the stock market, just like Lebron James can manipulate a game by putting up over 30 points, 10 boards, and dominating on both sides of the court.Originally posted by jpot34Comment -
Originally posted by akphidelt
I think this guy is an NBA mole!!!!
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Does the NBA have $ and power?Originally posted by akphideltComment -
Originally posted by akphidelt
I hope you don't bet over a fair amount of time. Good luck, and good bye!Comment -
I don't know anything about NBA fixing, but if it's like any other large organization, there will be people looking for an edge(more profit). As long as people are buying the product does it really matter what it is? I'm just speaking in general, but if you apply this thought process to the NBA, you can see how they could benefit from certain scenarios being played out.Originally posted by akphideltComment -
I doubt there is one sober poster here who agrees with your nonsense yet it doesn't matter to you. Let me guess why,Originally posted by akphidelt
as long as you agree with yourself and give yourself a high-five for doing so, that is somehow satisfying.Comment -
One of the problems with people who espouse the "pro sports is rigged" theory is that nobody can really seem to agree on how or why it's rigged. Everyone is all over the place. Nobody has really expressed a clear, concise postulation as to the actual mechanics of rigging a game, how often it occurs, and who is the beneficiary of such a bold, risky endeavor. Basically you guys hold a bunch of different theories within a broader theory. How do you expect to sell that as truth? Your case is a mess. You guys need a head coach to crystallize whatever it is you believe.
Some of you claim that it's rigged for Vegas, to fleece the betting public when the action becomes too lopsided. But that doesn't account for all the times that Vegas bites the big one when the public team cashes, and if you don't believe that it's relatively balanced, then you're not viewing things with an objective eye. I know someone who swears by fading the public and he's still waiting for this infallible get-rich-quick scheme to produce the amazing results he had in mind. He's just another gambler who foolishly thought he'd cracked the code.
Some of you claim it's rigged to produce the best storylines to garner viewer interest and maximize television revenue. "Stretch the series out for more money" they say, or manufacture a compelling plot. But again, if you take an objective view to the games you'll see that the results don't support the claim.
For instance, in last year's playoffs, there were 15 series played (from the 1st round to the Finals). Of those 15 series, only three went the distance (seven games). That's it? They have the advantage of scripting events to their liking, but only three series go seven? By comparison, the exact same number of series (three) resulted in sweeps, including a ho-hum 4-0 dismantling of Memphis by San Antonio in the Western Conference Finals.
Look at the NBA Finals just two years ago when you had Miami and Oklahoma City. Arguably the two best basketball players on the planet (James and Durant) took center stage in what figured to be an epic battle. It was the public darling versus the public enemy who vowed to "take his talents to South Beach." Sounds like a recipe for a dramatic seven game series right? WRONG... Apparently the players/officials/whoever didn't get the memo and the Miami Heat ended it in five.
And nobody really bothered to address my earlier post in this thread about how the LA Clippers winning it all would have been the ultimate win for the NBA. If it's all about plots, ratings, and major markets, why in the hell were they sent home early? How often is the NBA going to get an opportunity to cash in on a storyline like Sterling and the Clippers? Realistically? Probably never. Too good to pass up and yet, it was passed up.
So is it about storylines or public action? It certainly can't be both. Too often one would contradict the other. Who decides? Maybe they trade off? Vegas gets Mon-Wed-Fri and NBA gets Sun-Tue-Thu-Sat? I've already pointed out examples of series failing to reach their max-game potential, and thus leaving all kinds of money on the table. I've pointed out compelling storylines that never got off the ground. I could probably fill several pages of examples of big public teams (70% or more) cashing. What more do you want?
Then you have the issue of who's all involved in the conspiracy. Is it just the officials? Or are players taking the dive too? "timc021" seems to think that Duncan and Parker were lobbing up softballs the other night just so Ibaka could swat them and fulfill some storyline. To say the officials can tilt the balance of a game is one thing, but to imply that players are going full "WWE" and faking the action on the court is just beyond stupid... Seriously, there are fewer things in life I've heard that are more ridiculous than that.
What you're telling me to believe is that millionaire basketball players who've shed blood, sweat, and tears their whole lives to get to this point, are just going swallow their massive egos and risk their legacies, just because they get a note in their locker before the game that says... "I need you to not play as well as you can tonight. Maybe you get in the lane and let Ibaka embarrass you this game. That's what I need, ok pal?" ....Fvkkin obscene.
There's also the issue of frequency. How often are games rigged? Every night? Only big games? Only televised primetime games? Who the fvkk knows? Nobody in here can agree on it. If you read the posts around SBR, a game is rigged every time some mofo in here loses a bet. The bottom line is this, even if games are rigged, unless you're in with a very elite circle in sports, you have no idea which games are rigged, or for what particular bet the rigging favors (i.e. spread, total, 1H, prop, storyline). That being said, it renders the whole notion moot as far as you (the outsider looking in) are concerned right? So what's all the constant fussing about if you can't even reasonably expect to capitalize on a game that may or may not be fixed?Comment -
Eddy, thanks for brining some sanity and reason to this insane asylum.Comment -
There's a difference between the NBA making their product more profitable than the NBA fixing games. Changing rules, promoting players, matchups, etc. But to fix games? Not a chance. They aren't that dumb. That is a federal crime and would destroy the NBA if it were found out. I mean some dude got caught making racist comments and he is being forced to sell his billion dollar team yet you guys think everyone else is just talking about fixing games? Get outta here.Originally posted by NrmlCurvSurfrComment -
Eddy slamming down logic like it's his profession!! Nice post.Comment -
I don't usually agree with the general public because they happen to be very dumb and wrong most of the time.Originally posted by 15805Comment -
I don't know eddy, this is a funny world. You ask why? Money... Really power. People will bet and fixes will happen. Sometimes conspiracy theorist go a little to far to make it all sound bogus. If you take something that you found could be credible then search it out yourself, if its real and you search, no doubt you'll find. Most people of the world are good people and have no clue. The ones in on the fixes have all the clues and hide them in plain site... crazy, but real. Nba, I don't know but in life this stuffs for keeps man.Comment -
its funny you referenced WWE when talking about me because I had the exact same thought as you with the pro wrestling...seems like it all played out for the storyline to be fulfilled. at least it got you thinking and i got a full paragraph out of your shpeel. lol
i dont think every game is fixed or controlled but i do think game 3 was maniuplated and everything happened way too smoothly, including the storyline to be coincidence. ibaka comes back and does the impossible, without durant having a huge game so it looked like he was really the difference maker. i mean, come on. dude was supposed to be out the whole series and he magically comes back and has 4 blocks and rebounds and points that make him be the "difference maker." shit was fabricated.Comment -
the fix is in...spurs win tonightComment -
Originally posted by caneOriginally posted by akphidelt
thanx fellas
I agree that a lot of things in this world are illusory and that the average person is far more ignorant than they'd ever care to believe. I've taken considerable flak for my opinions on 9/11, an event which was a complete and utter cover-up in my mind, no doubt. But I don't take enormous logical leaps just to say I did. I prefer facts as a foundation, and with the "sports is rigged" crowd, you rarely get them. What you get is a whole lot of shots in the dark and lamentations about their losing bets being the result of malpractice on the parts of the players or officials.Originally posted by brainfreeze
I admit that unscrupulous officials can influence (not outright determine) the outcomes of games and I acknowledge that it may indeed happen on occasion. That's unfortunate. Life isn't perfect. But I don't think that players are acting in accordance with a script and I also don't think there's a league wide network that is pulling this off on a nightly basis. Where are the facts to support this, other than a bunch of butthurt losers who think the better team should always win because that's how it works on Xbox...
But most importantly is what I stated in the last paragraph of my previous post. If it's rigged, than that's just the risk you have to take. Gambling is inherently a risk to begin with, so the possibility of a fix is just one more angle to consider I suppose. But I don't care how cool some of these posters in here think they are, nobody really knows which games are fixed or to what end. I doubt these shadowy figures deeply entrenched in the seams of pro sports are sharing their secrets with a bunch of clowns on SBR. So whether or not you believe it's rigged, you still have to handicap games as thoroughly as you can, and hope to win more than you lose. Seeing a thread pop up every other day about a game being rigged gets really old after awhile. Suck it up, or go play bingo.Comment -
Eddy i do appreciate some of your points and especially not calling dumb because they dont necessarily see things the same way. The fact of the matter is no one here can lay their life on the line for either side of the argument.
I am sure a lot of people believed the WWE was real at some point. With time, the NBA may just end up being the same. With technology these days who knows someone will intercept real audio or video evidence of fixing.
Your argument that NBA players and owners are millionaires so would be unlikely to fix games is weak. Stanford was super rich, Madoff was super rich, Arthur Anderson had some of the smartest people, so did Enron yet they clearly broke the rules to make an extra million which in the big scheme of things they did not need. It baffles the mind but such is human nature
President Clinton had a lot to lose yet he still got himself involved with Lewinsky in the Oval Office. Its very difficult to know what people can and will do. As for players, has any player ever been prosecuted for fixing a game, so it would not seem far fetched they would shave points etc
Lastly i leave you with a few thoughts. How many here have fully disclosed that they gamble to their families. If not, just because no body know does it mean they dont gamble.
Some wise man said " Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". It is very crude and unintelligent to believe that something cannot be true because you have not been presented with evidence. For those with some knowledge of science there is a thing called Inference. That means you can still make a reasonable conclusions not only of observed phenomena.
More than half the world is religious but not one person has seen God or Allah. Why then do they believe when essentially there is no solid proof there is a God.Comment -
Dude you sound ridiculous. I'm willing to bet that even that average sports conspiracy theorist isn't in your corner right now. So your taking the position that game 3 was rigged because Ibaka had 4 blocks. Unbelievable. You should just stop posting.Originally posted by timc021
"Hey everyone: I've got the smoking gun. The NBA is rigged and I can prove it. I watched a game the other night and one of the best shot blockers in the league was blocking shots. It defies explanation. Extra, extra... read all about it!"
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AgreeOriginally posted by Eddy Munny thanx fellas
I agree that a lot of things in this world are illusory and that the average person is far more ignorant than they'd ever care to believe. I've taken considerable flak for my opinions on 9/11, an event which was a complete and utter cover-up in my mind, no doubt. But I don't take enormous logical leaps just to say I did. I prefer facts as a foundation, and with the "sports is rigged" crowd, you rarely get them. What you get is a whole lot of shots in the dark and lamentations about their losing bets being the result of malpractice on the parts of the players or officials.
I admit that unscrupulous officials can influence (not outright determine) the outcomes of games and I acknowledge that it may indeed happen on occasion. That's unfortunate. Life isn't perfect. But I don't think that players are acting in accordance with a script and I also don't think there's a league wide network that is pulling this off on a nightly basis. Where are the facts to support this, other than a bunch of butthurt losers who think the better team should always win because that's how it works on Xbox...
But most importantly is what I stated in the last paragraph of my previous post. If it's rigged, than that's just the risk you have to take. Gambling is inherently a risk to begin with, so the possibility of a fix is just one more angle to consider I suppose. But I don't care how cool some of these posters in here think they are, nobody really knows which games are fixed or to what end. I doubt these shadowy figures deeply entrenched in the seams of pro sports are sharing their secrets with a bunch of clowns on SBR. So whether or not you believe it's rigged, you still have to handicap games as thoroughly as you can, and hope to win more than you lose. Seeing a thread pop up every other day about a game being rigged gets really old after awhile. Suck it up, or go play bingo.Comment -
lol you should work for Obama...Originally posted by Eddy MunnyDude you sound ridiculous. I'm willing to bet that even that average sports conspiracy theorist isn't in your corner right now. So your taking the position that game 3 was rigged because Ibaka had 4 blocks. Unbelievable. You should just stop posting.
"Hey everyone: I've got the smoking gun. The NBA is rigged and I can prove it. I watched a game the other night and one of the best shot blockers in the league was blocking shots. It defies explanation. Extra, extra... read all about it!"
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So when whipping the words around with fellow posters on this site you're acknowledging by the above post that you consider yourself knee deep in mental midgets, do I have that right?Originally posted by akphideltComment -
gasto..... Trying to convince a guy like Kobe Bryant, Tony Parker, or Lebron etc. to play poorly goes beyond just the money. But how much would you have to pay a mega-millionaire to take the dive? Wouldn't that ultimately undermine your profit? It's not even a lucrative proposition.
But like I said, it's deeper than that. If you can't understand how a pro athlete wouldn't take that offer, than I'd venture to guess that you don't have a single competitive bone in your body. If they play badly, it's not just for one night. They have to relive the agony from friends and family, Sportscenter, newspapers, websites, Cold Pizza, you name it. Not to mention fellow players giving them shit on and off the court. Who the hell would take that deal? You're already rich, why take a few more bucks to tarnish your legacy, trade value, or even your role on the team? It makes no sense.
We're not talking about Joe College Student, who plays point for Pepperdine and can hardly make ends meet. If some Slugworth type of character approaches him with $10K in his pocket, maybe Joe College Student takes it. If that same Slugworth approaches Dwayne Wade with a similar offer, considering what all is at stake, Wade more than likely tells him to get the fvkk out.Comment
