Are People actually Dumb enough to believe the NBA is Rigged?

[jpot34]

I know. That's why it's not worth even trying to engage with these people. It's hard for me to not point out stupid, but ignoring these clowns really is the best path.

How much money betting have you two clowns made over the last 20 years? -$20,0000? Squares!

[jpot34]

I'm an actuary, so yes, yes i do. Thanks for playin.

Now I know why!

[sballen]

NBA players are born into a Basketball Illuminati.

The same Basketball Illuminati breeds referees, game officials, clock managers, owners of teams, every team personnel, broadcasters, and a good percentage of season-ticket holders.

I was a season-ticket holder for many years, and was given insight to several things most people don't know. I'm not going to destroy my privileges as a Basketball Illuminati, but will shed light on one thing:

For example: When a team is chosen to be victorious before a game, the basket they shoot in is 21 inches in diameter, as opposed to the regulated standard 18 inches. Almost impossible to tell at the arena, but the outcome speaks for itself. Miami got the larger basket in tonight's game. I was told this minutes before tonight's game, and made my wager accordingly.

The Basketball Illuminati is very real.

Respect it.

Love it.

It's where Amazing Happens.

this was great!

[brainfreeze]

NBA players are born into a Basketball Illuminati.

The same Basketball Illuminati breeds referees, game officials, clock managers, owners of teams, every team personnel, broadcasters, and a good percentage of season-ticket holders.

I was a season-ticket holder for many years, and was given insight to several things most people don't know. I'm not going to destroy my privileges as a Basketball Illuminati, but will shed light on one thing:

For example: When a team is chosen to be victorious before a game, the basket they shoot in is 21 inches in diameter, as opposed to the regulated standard 18 inches. Almost impossible to tell at the arena, but the outcome speaks for itself. Miami got the larger basket in tonight's game. I was told this minutes before tonight's game, and made my wager accordingly.

The Basketball Illuminati is very real.

Respect it.

Love it.

It's where Amazing Happens.

Its where amazing happens ... Hahaaahaa

[jpot34]

They don't have "power". They have a job to call the game according to the rules. Basketball is by far the hardest sport. People blame the refs from little kid boys and girl club leagues to high school to the pros. It is not an easy job.

Sheltered with blinders on!

[vividjohn45]

Serious question, are people actually dumb enough to believe that the NBA rigs games? I hear people say it, and I'm not sure if they seriously believe it or not because it is so stupid. I personally call it gambler's paranoia... because only a degenerate gambler can believe in such silly conspiracy theories. And yea, some international 3rd world country soccer was fixed and college basketball players where players make $0 threw games were rigged... but the NBA? A multi billion dollar global business? And please don't mention Bernie Madoff or Enron as if every business in the world is corrupt and those were the only ones that got caught. Just uneducated nonsense.

What would the logistics even be? Stern or Silver who make millions of dollars a year going to refs and telling them to fix a game? They are millionaires controlling a billion dollar organization... none of them would put that liability on themselves unless they were mentally insane. Even the one ref who was caught being a degenerate gambler had absolutely no evidence on the NBA fixing games. He had no evidence of Stern or any high level official telling them to fix a game a certain way, he had no juicy information of Vegas CEO's coming through and telling them to fix games, or the mafia, or millions of dollars exchanging hands. He dealt with low level local gamblers and provided them crap information about what refs felt like about players or coaches.

Absolutely nothing of value. Be honest, for those of you guys who believe the NBA is fixed... how many of you own an armadillo helmet?

ref timothy got busted for changing nba totals spent time in fed pen. Italy is a 3rd world country?

[Martinr]

Terrible called

Take a message.
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I can't see how a massive operation like the NBA could escape detection for long if it was as corrupt as some would have us believe. What, do all rookies and refs get a crash course in the intricacies of match fixing as part of their contracts before being sworn to silence?

But.....
I don't know if I can post links but for a taste of what does happen in professional sports type in:

Hanse Cronje.
or..
The Bochum Trial (goes a bit beyond an International Friendly between 3rd World countries).
or..
Ryan Tandy.
to any Wikkipedia linked search engine.

Just for three examples in different high profile sports.

There's money involved so there's corruption.

Also, teams tank because of the Draft, and a half intelligent punter would use that info for an edge, and wouldn't complain.

The layers would probably pack up and leave if corruption was as rife as people think though.

Sure, there'll be isolated instances of individuals succumbing to greed and getting caught out, but fcuk me, everyone involved in the betting industry, including the bettor, is after free money, and the odd example of corruption is the price you have to pay to be involved.

[jpot34]

They can definitely change the game. No question about that. The question is do they have a motive to change it in one way or the other.

Ever heard of quid? Pufta!

[jpot34]

You're full of shit. A man of his immense financial means and contacts would surely find a viable avenue through which to leak this information if it were true. Even if his life was in danger as a result, the cat would already be out of the bag. Not to mention, at his age, there really isn't that much to lose. He's already late in the fourth quarter of his life, the threat of death probably isn't that big of a silencer.

You're clueless. Let me know when you can think outside the box.

[jpot34]

Juice equates to a lot of money when you're dealing with the kind of volume Vegas does.

No sheet! You don't think they want more than one piece of that pie? LOL! No greed in this world.

[vividjohn45]

you are an absolute penetrating retard. it is legally open to be rigged. please end your miserable life

http://thefixisin.net/legal.html

Trevor no need to be a rude dog. Hes entitled to his opinion. But guys who tell people to commit suicide in a forum are frowned upon. Or even poo poo d on. One time warning man.

[Eddy Munny]

You're clueless. Let me know when you can think outside the box.

Listen, in all fairness, I think I made a valid point regarding Sterling. If you had a valid response, I'm assuming you would have posted it. But you didn't, you just fired back "you're clueless." To me that sounds like defeat. Trying using that line in a courtroom and see if it carries any weight with the jury.

No sheet! You don't think they want more than one piece of that pie? LOL! No greed in this world.

They make plenty of money. Would they like more? Sure, but is that proof positive that they're rigging every game to ensure this happens? Absolutely not. For every game where Vegas cleans up at the sportsbook, there's another game where the public holds the winning ticket. Lopsided games go both ways, which in the end, amounts to largely juice. They also make money off exotic sucker bets like teasers, pleasers, parlays etc. So do the math. If all one had to do was fade the public, we'd all be rich.

[TheMoneyShot]

Akphidelt has to be just fukking with us and trying to make a name here.

AK let me explain something to you pal... it's SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. NFL, NBA, MLB etc. If for whatever reason someone wants the other side to win... because stats show 80% on one side... with HUGE WAGERS... you can guarandamntee the 20% will mysteriously win. If Vegas constantly paid out the 80% side... there would be no vegas. You understand? How do you rig something you ask???

In MLB... there's a total. You want the Over to win??? The umpire mysteriously has a smaller strike zone than usual. More walks... more chances to score. The Over hits. Vegas wants the Under to win? That's easy... the umpire makes the strike zone unusually bigger... more called 3 strikes less chances for the ball to be hit.

In the NBA... if Vegas wants an OVER. Call the fouls get in the Bonus early... there's your Over. Vegas wants an Under... guy goes to the lane... gets hammered? I didn't see anything.. no foul... no bonus. Nothing.

There are several ways to screw a side over. The favorite is winning the point spread in the NFL and they have the ball with 3:00 minutes to go in the game. Call 1 offensive holding call. Backs them up 1st and 20... They are up by 2 scores... they will play conservative and Punt. Other team mysteriously scores an easy one.... and your SIDE LOSES!!!!! What if the ref never called the HOLD??? First down... and more... and a cover.

I've witnessed 23 points scored in an NBA game with 1:00 to go on the clock in the 4th Qtr. When the other team had a double digit lead and somehow the refs were still calling fouls??? WHY????? Game is out of hand. No need for it.

I've witnessed an NBA game that only scored 8 points with 4:00 minutes to go in the game. You mean no one got fouled??? No one can get a damn bucket???

No... it's not coincidence. It's called business. Our job is not only to cap the game... but also estimate which side Vegas wants to win.

So seriously AK... blow it out of your a$$ and stop with the novice explanations. I've been doing this for 15 years. I've seen practically everything.

There was a poster that mentioned majority of the people who go to games just eat and drink and have a good time. They have no clue to what's going on. That is 100% correct. Think of all the millions... and millions of fans... 90% of them DO NOT GAMBLE. They have no clue what a FIX is... they think it's part of the game. No one will ever RAT someone out. But there are "Company" men that do their job. They do their job so damn well... it looks 100% natural.

[akphidelt]

Akphidelt has to be just fukking with us and trying to make a name here.

AK let me explain something to you pal... it's SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. NFL, NBA, MLB etc. If for whatever reason someone wants the other side to win... because stats show 80% on one side... with HUGE WAGERS... you can guarandamntee the 20% will mysteriously win. If Vegas constantly paid out the 80% side... there would be no vegas. You understand? How do you rig something you ask???

In MLB... there's a total. You want the Over to win??? The umpire mysteriously has a smaller strike zone than usual. More walks... more chances to score. The Over hits. Vegas wants the Under to win? That's easy... the umpire makes the strike zone unusually bigger... more called 3 strikes less chances for the ball to be hit.

In the NBA... if Vegas wants an OVER. Call the fouls get in the Bonus early... there's your Over. Vegas wants an Under... guy goes to the lane... gets hammered? I didn't see anything.. no foul... no bonus. Nothing.

There are several ways to screw a side over. The favorite is winning the point spread in the NFL and they have the ball with 3:00 minutes to go in the game. Call 1 offensive holding call. Backs them up 1st and 20... They are up by 2 scores... they will play conservative and Punt. Other team mysteriously scores an easy one.... and your SIDE LOSES!!!!! What if the ref never called the HOLD??? First down... and more... and a cover.

I've witnessed 23 points scored in an NBA game with 1:00 to go on the clock in the 4th Qtr. When the other team had a double digit lead and somehow the refs were still calling fouls??? WHY????? Game is out of hand. No need for it.

I've witnessed an NBA game that only scored 8 points with 4:00 minutes to go in the game. You mean no one got fouled??? No one can get a damn bucket???

No... it's not coincidence. It's called business. Our job is not only to cap the game... but also estimate which side Vegas wants to win.

So seriously AK... blow it out of your a$$ and stop with the novice explanations. I've been doing this for 15 years. I've seen practically everything.

There was a poster that mentioned majority of the people who go to games just eat and drink and have a good time. They have no clue to what's going on. That is 100% correct. Think of all the millions... and millions of fans... 90% of them DO NOT GAMBLE. They have no clue what a FIX is... they think it's part of the game. No one will ever RAT someone out. But there are "Company" men that do their job. They do their job so damn well... it looks 100% natural.

You must be a super square because this is some of the dumbest shit I have read. Lock it up dude.

[Cuse0323]

You must be a super square because this is some of the dumbest shit I have read. Lock it up dude.

Well, you did your job. 5 pages...obvious you're not some new member after being somewhere for 7 years. Solid trolling if you don't see any logic in what TMS said.

[akphidelt]

Well, you did your job. 5 pages...obvious you're not some new member after being somewhere for 7 years. Solid trolling if you don't see any logic in what TMS said.

He had no evidence, it was pure conjecture about basic examples that would happen whether or not the game was fixed. I need proof, not stupid peoples opinions.

[Cuse0323]

He had no evidence, it was pure conjecture about basic examples that would happen whether or not the game was fixed. I need proof, not stupid peoples opinions.

There is no proof on either side of the argument. What Tim Donaghy wrote is more proof than what you can provide about nothing shady ever happening. Where's your proof?

[akphidelt]

There is no proof on either side of the argument. What Tim Donaghy wrote is more proof than what you can provide about nothing shady ever happening. Where's your proof?

Donaghy didn't have any proof. He basically just said refs have opinions. Absolutely nothing about league wide fixing. He was just a degenerate gambler that got caught. Horrible example.

[Cuse0323]

Donaghy didn't have any proof. He basically just said refs have opinions. Absolutely nothing about league wide fixing. He was just a degenerate gambler that got caught. Horrible example.

Still, where's the proof that nothing happens? He was closer to the game than any of us. Again, like I've been saying, I'm not saying it's fixed but along with what Donaghy said, refs have agendas. So, you can't possibly say that it is such a clean and pure game where the game is always decided solely by the players.

[greenhippo]

Why hasn't the exwife of someone on the take gone public with these accusations? A scorned woman doesn't stay quiet. Why aren't there any stories from a guy's neighbors wondering why all of a sudden he has 3 new cars and a new boat? Why isn't the IRS taking dozens of guys to court for these mysterious and undocumented deposits into these guys bank accounts or mystery purchases with cash? You can't be a professional sports referee or umpire and randomly have large cash deposits hitting your account without red flags. Why hasn't 60 Minutes, Dateline, Fox News, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, Good Morning America, BBC, TMZ (TMZ! They find out EVERYTHING) done a single story about large scale sports fixing? I guess they must be on the take as well, but then why isn't the government taking a look at the hundreds of reporters throughout the country for their unearned income? I guess the government officials must be in it too. Just think, fix a game, win $5M but spend $40M to pay off a few thousand people just to keep quiet.

Question, pretty sure we've all been in or seen a situation where a group of 10-15 people have to keep something to themselves. How often does that work out? Probably around zero, 2-3 of them will tell their friends like it's no big deal, another 4-5 will easily tell their spouse or partner. Most of the time it's not a big enough story that they'll go run to the nearest news station, but when it is, it happens. Now you're telling me that literally THOUSANDS of people who have to be on the take are keeping it secret. No recording of the conversations (because we all know someone is always recording) no one saying the wrong thing in front of the wrong person who then leaks it, no paper trail, no digital trail?

[akphidelt]

Still, where's the proof that nothing happens? He was closer to the game than any of us. Again, like I've been saying, I'm not saying it's fixed but along with what Donaghy said, refs have agendas. So, you can't possibly say that it is such a clean and pure game where the game is always decided solely by the players.

It's impossible to prove a negative bro. That's how conspiracy theorists roll

[Cuse0323]

Another sensationalist view hippo, thousands of people do not need to be on the take. It can be as simple as hey you three, lean to this team tonight. It's not a script or fix or a rig, just a suggestion.

[greenhippo]

My god, did someone really just say "you can't prove it's not happening" Jesus.

[Cuse0323]

It's impossible to prove a negative bro. That's how conspiracy theorists roll

I get that but again, I'm not arguing the extreme views so I'm done. It will never matter, everyone is entitled to their view.

[greenhippo]

Another sensationalist view hippo, thousands of people do not need to be on the take. It can be as simple as hey you three, lean to this team tonight. It's not a script or fix or a rig, just a suggestion.

So a total of 3 people referee and umpire all major sports now?

[Cuse0323]

So a total of 3 people referee and umpire all major sports now?

We're talking NBA with three referees a game and not thousands.

[greenhippo]

Understood, so we're to assume only 3 officials in the NBA are put in a position to fix it? That's to say it can only work on the games where 2 if not all 3 have to be working the same game of course. But then again the refs don't pick what games they officiate, they're assigned. Unless the league office is in on it as well.

[akphidelt]

I get that but again, I'm not arguing the extreme views so I'm done. It will never matter, everyone is entitled to their view.

Yea but if I have a view I usually have evidence. I don't just make shit up and believe it. Especially big conspiracies that would destroy an organization if it were true. You guys act like it's just common knowledge that the NBA commits federal crimes, lol

[Cuse0323]

My god, did someone really just say "you can't prove it's not happening" Jesus.

Reading would help. What I was saying is Donaghy is closer to the game so you cannot discredit what he said as false when you have no proof otherwise.

[Cuse0323]

Understood, so we're to assume only 3 officials in the NBA are put in a position to fix it? That's to say it can only work on the games where 2 if not all 3 have to be working the same game of course. But then again the refs don't pick what games they officiate, they're assigned. Unless the league office is in on it as well.

Jesus, hippo. You're worse than this ak guy. 3 a game, not 3 total.

[greenhippo]

Reading would help. What I was saying is Donaghy is closer to the game so you cannot discredit what he said as false when you have no proof otherwise.

Still, where's the proof that nothing happens? He was closer to the game than any of us. Again, like I've been saying, I'm not saying it's fixed but along with what Donaghy said, refs have agendas. So, you can't possibly say that it is such a clean and pure game where the game is always decided solely by the players.

Uhhhh, happens is present tense. Donaghy has been out of the league for some years now. You're saying things are still happening and are asking for proof that nothing is happening right now while referencing events from 10+ years ago........

[greenhippo]

Jesus, hippo. You're worse than this ak guy. 3 a game, not 3 total.

What the fukk is going on here? So you agree that dozens of officials are in on the take then?

[Cuse0323]

I wish I were so naive, life would be so much easier. We can argue semantics all night but I'm not into twisting words and having to defend misconceptions of what I say.

[nyplayer33]

people are dumb....more dumbells then smart people. Sports fan who put there heart soul are the most pathetic...they go to the games thinking they are part of the team, they spend 50 buxcks on beers and what not and dont spend it on there girls...u wanna know how dumb people are????

[nyplayer33]

officials are on thetake huh....the nfl officlas are doctors and dentists during the week..they r gonna risk that and indictments for rigging the sport cause the nfl commission told them..really??