Are People actually Dumb enough to believe the NBA is Rigged?

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  • packerd_00
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    • 05-22-13
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    #36
    Do your damn research,Soccer does not only fix games in third world countries,did you not hear about the Italian match fixing scandal,where teams like Lazio and Juventus were both implicated.
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    • akphidelt
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      • 07-24-11
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      #37
      Originally posted by packerd_00
      Do your damn research,Soccer does not only fix games in third world countries,did you not hear about the Italian match fixing scandal,where teams like Lazio and Juventus were both implicated.
      I honestly don't care about International soccer.
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      • packerd_00
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        • 05-22-13
        • 17845

        #38
        Originally posted by akphidelt
        I honestly don't care about International soccer.
        Well then why mention it in your rant.
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        • SharpAngles
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          • 04-15-14
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          #39
          I like how op "doesn't care" when given evidence contrary to his opinions. In any billion dollar industry there will be people behind the scenes looking to boost profits by any means necessary.

          All it takes is a little research into which NBA refs work which games and the resulting suspicious endings to see something is going on. IMO it has a lot more to do with extending series and selling more tickets and merch than organizing with the gambling underground.
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          • akphidelt
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            • 07-24-11
            • 1228

            #40
            Originally posted by SharpAngles
            I like how op "doesn't care" when given evidence contrary to his opinions. In any billion dollar industry there will be people behind the scenes looking to boost profits by any means necessary.

            All it takes is a little research into which NBA refs work which games and the resulting suspicious endings to see something is going on. IMO it has a lot more to do with extending series and selling more tickets and merch than organizing with the gambling underground.
            What evidence was given?
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            • akphidelt
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              • 07-24-11
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              #41
              Originally posted by packerd_00
              Well then why mention it in your rant.
              So people don't use it in a logical fallacy approach that the NBA is rigged.
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              • SharpAngles
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                • 04-15-14
                • 9467

                #42
                Pretty sure believing the NBA would leave billions of dollars in revenue to chance is the biggest fallacy in this thread.
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                • packerd_00
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                  • 05-22-13
                  • 17845

                  #43
                  Originally posted by akphidelt
                  So people don't use it in a logical fallacy approach that the NBA is rigged.
                  I was correcting you on a mistake,match fixing goes on in major Sporting leagues,Italian Serie A is one of the top Soccer leagues in the World.
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                  • akphidelt
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                    • 07-24-11
                    • 1228

                    #44
                    Originally posted by SharpAngles
                    Pretty sure believing the NBA would leave billions of dollars in revenue to chance is the biggest fallacy in this thread.
                    They take a much bigger chance by trying to fix games than leaving it to chance. And there is no evidence that shows throughout history that the results of the games aren't by chance.

                    You have a serious case of Gamblers Paranoia.
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                    • MiDNiTe
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                      • 11-11-13
                      • 7684

                      #45
                      maybe there are a few suspicious refs but to think the whole nba is fixed is beyond crazy if one bit of proof came out it would cost the nba billions. I don't understand why ppl would watch or bet on a fixed match but then again its usually the gamblers who lose a lot who blame it on fixing, i noticed if you win most your bets fixed matches never appear in your head
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                      • Easy-Rider 66
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                        • 02-14-12
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                        #46
                        Originally posted by SharpAngles
                        Pretty sure believing the NBA would leave billions of dollars in revenue to chance is the biggest fallacy in this thread.
                        Wish you would expand further on your thoughts. For instance, a team is down 2-0 in a best of 7. So the NBA powers that be instruct the refs and the team up 2-0 to go on the take to even the series. NBA was on tape delay for the finals back in the day. The days of Jordan, Bird and Magic revitalized the NBA. They have been living on the spoils ever since. This grand conspiracy you talk of. When did it start,and how is it implemented? Now the draft lottery I can see being fixed. But playoff games on a major scale being orchestrated. Do not see it.
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                        • TheCentaur
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                          • 06-28-11
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                          #47
                          What does it say about it in the NBA's constitution?

                          NOTHING. NBA never claimed it was a sporting event with an undetermined or unaltered outcome
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                          • akphidelt
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                            • 07-24-11
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                            Wish you would expand further on your thoughts. For instance, a team is down 2-0 in a best of 7. So the NBA powers that be instruct the refs and the team up 2-0 to go on the take to even the series. NBA was on tape delay for the finals back in the day. The days of Jordan, Bird and Magic revitalized the NBA. They have been living on the spoils ever since. This grand conspiracy you talk of. When did it start,and how is it implemented? Now the draft lottery I can see being fixed. But playoff games on a major scale being orchestrated. Do not see it.
                            Exactly, the liability of even hinting to a ref to call the game a certain way for a certain outcome would be a billion dollar liability. There is no way Stern or Silver would talk to a ref and give the ref that kind of power over them. The NBA is on the up and up, they make far more dollars by having a league where the game is settled on the court than to do stupid things to extend series or rig games for some spread. Gamblers are known to be paranoid.
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                            • TwoWays
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                              • 03-24-10
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                              #49
                              Originally posted by TheCentaur
                              What does it say about it in the NBA's constitution?

                              NOTHING. NBA never claimed it was a sporting event with an undetermined or unaltered outcome
                              Mikeyjamm knows what's up
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                              • akphidelt
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                                • 07-24-11
                                • 1228

                                #50
                                Originally posted by TheCentaur
                                What does it say about it in the NBA's constitution?

                                NOTHING. NBA never claimed it was a sporting event with an undetermined or unaltered outcome
                                It doesn't have to. Match fixing is a federal crime and any comment as small as "Try to let the Lakers win" would lead to a massive investigation in to whether or not the NBA is fixing games. Where that rule comes from is that the NBA has the ability to change it's rules. Like adding a defensive 3 seconds so teams with tall dudes can't just camp out under the basket. Or to call more fouls when a player uses his hands on defense.

                                But to fix a game for one team to win is a major criminal violation.
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                                • TheCentaur
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                                  • 06-28-11
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by TwoWays
                                  Mikeyjamm knows what's up


                                  I christen you with the nickname The Aryan Zorro and this is how you repay me?
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                                  • capone1899
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                                    • 06-16-11
                                    • 1054

                                    #52
                                    People will say something is rigged anytime they can't explain it
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                                    • Menses
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                                      • 03-15-13
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                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by akphidelt
                                      Hahahahaha!! OMG, aren't you the guy that thinks Kennedy's passenger shot him or that the 9/11 jets were holograms? Real life conspiracy theorist here, haha.
                                      yea that's me...i knew u looked familiar....they banned me from the politcal forum...hahahaha....where the hell is total recall..?
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                                      • SpreadSniper
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                                        • 02-17-09
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                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by akphidelt

                                        Hahahahaha!! OMG, aren't you the guy that thinks Kennedy's passenger shot him or that the 9/11 jets were holograms? Real life conspiracy theorist here, haha.
                                        Is it just me or do posters who use "Hahahahaha!!" and "OMG" out themselves as the tweenage twats they really are?
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                                        • akphidelt
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                                          • 07-24-11
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by SpreadSniper
                                          Is it just me or do posters who use "Hahahahaha!!" and "OMG" out themselves as the tweenage twats they really are?
                                          It's just you
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                                          • akphidelt
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                                            • 07-24-11
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                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by Menses
                                            yea that's me...i knew u looked familiar....they banned me from the politcal forum...hahahaha....where the hell is total recall..?
                                            Hahahaha! I haven't seen total recall in years. It's pretty much the clown show of Joe Contrarian, Willie, festeringZit, Dave, and Russ. Not much going on in the Poly Forum there these days. I got banned from the Offshore Forum for calling Willie a racist and got in a fight with one of the mods and just bounced.
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                                            • Menses
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                                              • 03-15-13
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by akphidelt
                                              Hahahaha! I haven't seen total recall in years. It's pretty much the clown show of Joe Contrarian, Willie, festeringZit, Dave, and Russ. Not much going on in the Poly Forum there these days. I got banned from the Offshore Forum for calling Willie a racist and got in a fight with one of the mods and just bounced.
                                              LOL Jesus Christ...Willie a racist? lol Is wilheim still running the place? ..I miss those days....it was me and total vs the whole board...i remember there was a vote on who was the biggest Spook on the site.....i lost to Total....still haven't got over it...lol......only check in from time to time...but its just not the same...I actually registered with another name and got banned again..lol
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                                              • Menses
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                                                • 03-15-13
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                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by SpreadSniper
                                                Is it just me or do posters who use "Hahahahaha!!" and "OMG" out themselves as the tweenage twats they really are?
                                                LOL....I have never used OMG.....and unfortunately I am sad to say..I am far from a teenager...
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                                                • the_situation
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                                                  • 10-22-10
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                                                  #59
                                                  The better question is are people actually dumb enough to believe it's not
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                                                  • SharpAngles
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                                                    • 04-15-14
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                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66
                                                    Wish you would expand further on your thoughts...... Now the draft lottery I can see being fixed. But playoff games on a major scale being orchestrated. Do not see it.
                                                    If the NBA was wiling to fix the draft what would stop them from telling the refs in their pre game meeting what fouls to call and what to let go. Obviously the refs can only do so much but playoff basketball is usually close so all it takes is a few more freethrows for one side to get the result. There's a reason the ticket says entertainment event.
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                                                    • akphidelt
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                                                      • 07-24-11
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by Menses
                                                      LOL Jesus Christ...Willie a racist? lol Is wilheim still running the place? ..I miss those days....it was me and total vs the whole board...i remember there was a vote on who was the biggest Spook on the site.....i lost to Total....still haven't got over it...lol......only check in from time to time...but its just not the same...I actually registered with another name and got banned again..lol
                                                      Nope, I haven't seen wilheim in years. It's BAS and Hache. In 2012 Willie made like 100 posts claiming he knew Romney was going to win the election and everyone including Nate Silver was wrong with their predictions. So to cover up his embarrassment when Romney lost he started making all sorts of racist comments about minorities taking over and blah blah blah. So I called him out for it and they banned me. They Poly Forum there is useless these days. It's almost all extreme conservatives... almost like a Storm Front crowd.

                                                      I kind of like this forum, you can get away with a lot more.
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                                                      • akphidelt
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                                                        • 07-24-11
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                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by SharpAngles
                                                        If the NBA was wiling to fix the draft what would stop them from telling the refs in their pre game meeting what fouls to call and what to let go. Obviously the refs can only do so much but playoff basketball is usually close so all it takes is a few more freethrows for one side to get the result. There's a reason the ticket says entertainment event.
                                                        What draft did they fix?
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                                                        • Eddy Munny
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                                                          • 08-13-13
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                                                          #63
                                                          If it was rigged, I'm pretty sure the Clippers would still be playing.

                                                          On the heels of this Sterling scandal, just think of the countless subplots that the sports media, and media in general, would have had to salivate over if the Clipshow made some kind of heroic run to the Finals and dethroned the hated Miami Heat. Ratings would have been off the charts. The NBA would have been squarely in the spotlight and surely would have benefited from it.

                                                          But alas, the "writers" of this rigged sports saga apparently wanted nothing to do with "must see TV," and instead opted for a Finals that will be, comparatively speaking, a snoozefest. Anything with the Indiana Pacers in it is fairly forgettable. And if the Heat advance, we'll only see a rematch of the Finals from either of the last two years, regardless of who wins the West.

                                                          I could go on and on. The "NBA is rigged" faction loves to point out certain storylines that develop and automatically attribute it to some contrived grand design, as if nothing interesting ever happens through natural events. But what they fail to realize is that more often than not, even greater storylines slip through the cracks and never materialize. Why is this?

                                                          The Clippers are on the verge of being sold to a new owner. What better way to tie loose ends together than to send Clippers players/fans/coaches off into the sunset with a triumphant run through the NBA playoffs? The timing would have been fairy tale perfect. Nobody in the mainstream would have batted an eyelash either because the Clipper roster is stockpiled with championship caliber players.

                                                          But we all know what really happened. Clippers couldn't even reach the conference finals and were toast after a six game series with OKC. Talk about an anticlimactic finish to the devious plot twist of the Sterling debacle. Certainly a rigged sport could have figured that one out right?

                                                          Furthermore, Donald Sterling must certainly know that the games are fixed if he's an owner. I would think that would be part of negotiating the purchase of a franchise is knowing how your team fits in to the "grand scheme" of the NBA's future plans. So if I am Mr. Sterling, what better way to go out with guns blazing than to "out" the league, and reveal to the world the darkest, best kept secret in the history of sports?
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                                                          • Marquee
                                                            SBR Hustler
                                                            • 12-10-13
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                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by akphidelt
                                                            Serious question, are people actually dumb enough to believe that the NBA rigs games? I hear people say it, and I'm not sure if they seriously believe it or not because it is so stupid. I personally call it gambler's paranoia... because only a degenerate gambler can believe in such silly conspiracy theories. And yea, some international 3rd world country soccer was fixed and college basketball players where players make $0 threw games were rigged... but the NBA? A multi billion dollar global business? And please don't mention Bernie Madoff or Enron as if every business in the world is corrupt and those were the only ones that got caught. Just uneducated nonsense.

                                                            What would the logistics even be? Stern or Silver who make millions of dollars a year going to refs and telling them to fix a game? They are millionaires controlling a billion dollar organization... none of them would put that liability on themselves unless they were mentally insane. Even the one ref who was caught being a degenerate gambler had absolutely no evidence on the NBA fixing games. He had no evidence of Stern or any high level official telling them to fix a game a certain way, he had no juicy information of Vegas CEO's coming through and telling them to fix games, or the mafia, or millions of dollars exchanging hands. He dealt with low level local gamblers and provided them crap information about what refs felt like about players or coaches.

                                                            Absolutely nothing of value. Be honest, for those of you guys who believe the NBA is fixed... how many of you own an armadillo helmet?
                                                            So im guessing those "3rd" world country leagues gross peanuts huh. All i see here is the pot calling the kettle black. Go do your research if you think only a "3rd" world country has rigged games.

                                                            Hilarious seeing an imbecile throwing around baseless claims like gamblers paranoia. Its clear you havent done any research why dont we start there?
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                                                            • Marquee
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                                                              • 12-10-13
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                                                              #65
                                                              He doesn't care cause it goes against his rant lol. If its a associated with a "3rd" world country it can be dismissed. Dont mention a juventus tho!
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                                                              • akphidelt
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                                                                • 07-24-11
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                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Marquee
                                                                So im guessing those "3rd" world country leagues gross peanuts huh. All i see here is the pot calling the kettle black. Go do your research if you think only a "3rd" world country has rigged games.

                                                                Hilarious seeing an imbecile throwing around baseless claims like gamblers paranoia. Its clear you havent done any research why dont we start there?
                                                                Lmao, soccer is a 3rd world country sport that I do not care about. Talking about the NBA and America here. And I have done research and there is nothing there.
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                                                                • akphidelt
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by Marquee
                                                                  He doesn't care cause it goes against his rant lol. If its a associated with a "3rd" world country it can be dismissed. Dont mention a juventus tho!
                                                                  So you have no evidence the NBA is rigged. Got ya! Gamblers paranoia at its finest!
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                                                                  • NrmlCurvSurfr
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    Anyone know the storyline for tonight's game?
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                                                                    • tokio
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Dont know how many times I got crushed by the hook. Those lines can have you questioning a lot of shiit.
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                                                                      • akphidelt
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                                                                        • 07-24-11
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                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by NrmlCurvSurfr
                                                                        Anyone know the storyline for tonight's game?
                                                                        They won't know til after the game, lol. And whatever team wins there will be a storyline.
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