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  • pazim
    SBR Sharp
    • 02-09-10
    • 316

    #1471
    Has anyone tried chasing the team totals for these teams. So far I think only SF and Detroit would have failed to cover their team totals and the price would be under -130 too.
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    • sstrunks52005
      SBR Sharp
      • 07-15-11
      • 251

      #1472
      Originally posted by moshi
      I told you guys before, you should play the underdog for the first game in a series and then the fave thereafter. Then you won't have to go through an entire series loss.


      here is a nice dog chase system. it was posted by cisco
      Last edited by sstrunks52005; 05-10-12, 01:42 AM.
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      • moshi
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 12-18-11
        • 801

        #1473
        Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
        So your suggesting for all the A bets we fade our team? If the favorite wins then continue betting the underdog? I hope you realize A bets win 60+% for this system so you are saying we should take the 40% + odds on the A bets?
        Game 1 win = 21-20; 7-2
        Game 2 win = 14-6; 2-0
        Game 3 win = 2-3; 0-0
        I hope you realize 21-20 is not 60+% and you obviously did not read the rest of my post. Play the underdog for the FIRST game and then the FAVE thereafter. I suggested before splitting the bet between the RL and ML so if the fave DOES win the first game, you will be refunded if they only win by one run. This eliminates the problem of people losing massively on an ABC series.
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        • alexknyc
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 03-22-11
          • 861

          #1474
          Originally posted by moshi
          Game 1 win = 21-20; 7-2
          Game 2 win = 14-6; 2-0
          Game 3 win = 2-3; 0-0
          I hope you realize 21-20 is not 60+% and you obviously did not read the rest of my post. Play the underdog for the FIRST game and then the FAVE thereafter. I suggested before splitting the bet between the RL and ML so if the fave DOES win the first game, you will be refunded if they only win by one run. This eliminates the problem of people losing massively on an ABC series.
          You know what else eliminates the problem of people losing massively on an ABC series? Money management.

          If you're in a situation that can bust you, your problem isn't the system, it's your money management.
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          • moshi
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 12-18-11
            • 801

            #1475
            Originally posted by alexknyc
            You know what else eliminates the problem of people losing massively on an ABC series? Money management.

            If you're in a situation that can bust you, your problem isn't the system, it's your money management.
            I'm quoting from #1454:
            "last year was fine and if the system was back tested only 1 year and that was the base of our future success not many would be jumping ship. However, in 2007 this system lost around 40-70units no matter how you managed your money wether it be labby or martingale. There was just no saving that system for that year."
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            • alexknyc
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 03-22-11
              • 861

              #1476
              Originally posted by moshi
              I'm quoting from #1454:
              "last year was fine and if the system was back tested only 1 year and that was the base of our future success not many would be jumping ship. However, in 2007 this system lost around 40-70units no matter how you managed your money wether it be labby or martingale. There was just no saving that system for that year."
              Again, if 40-70 units is busting you, your unit size is too high. That's money management.
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              • moshi
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 12-18-11
                • 801

                #1477
                Originally posted by alexknyc
                Again, if 40-70 units is busting you, your unit size is too high. That's money management.
                Yeah...I don't think anyone is keen to actually LOSE UNITS on baseball. If the system isn't profitable, it is less to do with money management than it is with the fact that it just isn't working.
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                • Lakey
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 05-06-12
                  • 430

                  #1478
                  Originally posted by moshi
                  Game 1 win = 21-20; 7-2
                  Game 2 win = 14-6; 2-0
                  Game 3 win = 2-3; 0-0
                  I hope you realize 21-20 is not 60+% and you obviously did not read the rest of my post. Play the underdog for the FIRST game and then the FAVE thereafter. I suggested before splitting the bet between the RL and ML so if the fave DOES win the first game, you will be refunded if they only win by one run. This eliminates the problem of people losing massively on an ABC series.
                  You're using a sample size of 41 games to make that conclusion though. If you go back through the past years you'll find 60+% is the correct number of Game 1's hitting.
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                  • alexknyc
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 03-22-11
                    • 861

                    #1479
                    Originally posted by moshi
                    Yeah...I don't think anyone is keen to actually LOSE UNITS on baseball. If the system isn't profitable, it is less to do with money management than it is with the fact that it just isn't working.
                    You keep moving the goalposts... no one WANTS to lose 40-70 units but IF THAT'S BUSTING YOU, your unit size is too high.
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                    • moshi
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 12-18-11
                      • 801

                      #1480
                      Originally posted by Lakey
                      You're using a sample size of 41 games to make that conclusion though. If you go back through the past years you'll find 60+% is the correct number of Game 1's hitting.
                      Two things:

                      Firstly, past performance does not guarantee similar results now.

                      Secondly, you're right, it is a small sample size. All I am doing is putting out an idea that would help people avoid losing an entire ABC series. This system may have been amazing last year or some other year but the fact is that it is still early and there have already been three HUGE losses. Its no surprise people are having doubts now, especially when we know that the backtest revealed a big loss in 2007.
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                      • moshi
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 12-18-11
                        • 801

                        #1481
                        Originally posted by alexknyc
                        You keep moving the goalposts... no one WANTS to lose 40-70 units but IF THAT'S BUSTING YOU, your unit size is too high.
                        Well I'm not even talking about that. If you can't afford to lose, you shouldn't be gambling period. What I said was that the system should not be losing money. With the proper money management currently, it IS losing money. The problem is therefore not money management, but the system itself.
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                        • thelimit0310
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-24-11
                          • 1233

                          #1482
                          What are you even talking about? Can you even name a system that has gone 10 years without going negative once? The last time this system went negative was 5 years ago. Even if you played the losing season as your first season with the system, you would still have a substantial net gain by this point from the system. That is not a failure in the slightest.

                          This always happens on a system that hits a losing streak. Everyone freaks out. If your too timid to handle system anomalies then you shouldn't be playing systems.
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                          • Taro Punk
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 03-03-12
                            • 294

                            #1483
                            where's the faith man? haha
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                            • on3
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-23-10
                              • 2197

                              #1484
                              in regards to the posts of money management. the $20/unit is based off of a $2000 bankroll at 1%. the system as it stands is -22 units or $440. i dont know how you would lose your entire bankroll if you only lost 25% of it. even if you jumped on the system at its peak +20 units, you are down 42 units, or 42%. if your entire bankroll is gone when the system AT MOST has lost 50%, your other 50% of losses have come from other areas.

                              System record 37-4-0; 9-0-0
                              Units -22
                              1 unit = $20

                              5/10

                              #42 -- cleveland @ BOS -147 (A) -- o/u 9 -- eligible for 5/2 if (A) loses

                              Game 1 win = 21-20; 7-2
                              Game 2 win = 14-6; 2-0
                              Game 3 win = 2-3; 0-0

                              Labby Line (regular)


                              65-67-82-95
                              40-40-87-93
                              85-152-126-134

                              Labby Line (filter)

                              10-10-10-10

                              BOS to win 65

                              BOS to win 20
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                              • Douchebag50
                                SBR Rookie
                                • 11-12-11
                                • 37

                                #1485
                                Originally posted by sstrunks52005
                                https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...a2JWYXc#gid=30

                                here is a nice dog chase system. it was posted by cisco
                                Does this spreadsheet automatically update itself or is there a new link each day?
                                D50
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                                • chound
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 05-27-10
                                  • 158

                                  #1486
                                  There's a girl updating it daily
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                                  • chound
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 05-27-10
                                    • 158

                                    #1487
                                    Well I'm assuming from the avatar its a girl?
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                                    • sstrunks52005
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 07-15-11
                                      • 251

                                      #1488
                                      damn boston is a filtered play too lol
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                                      • alexknyc
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 03-22-11
                                        • 861

                                        #1489
                                        Originally posted by moshi
                                        Well I'm not even talking about that. If you can't afford to lose, you shouldn't be gambling period. What I said was that the system should not be losing money. With the proper money management currently, it IS losing money. The problem is therefore not money management, but the system itself.
                                        So every system should always be in the black? That's absurd. It's about long-term performance and this system does fine. If you're not in it for the long haul and want to make quick money, good luck to you.

                                        The unit size should be 1% of your bankroll. This system is down 22 units. That should be 22% of your bankroll. The people complaining that this system bankrupted them are down 100%. THAT is a money management issue.
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                                        • eric14tsui
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 10-19-10
                                          • 187

                                          #1490
                                          Finally a filtered play. Can't wait for the game to start.
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                                          • boycali01
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 07-12-07
                                            • 118

                                            #1491
                                            let's go BOS. all in
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                                            • Gamble32jn
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 02-07-12
                                              • 1860

                                              #1492
                                              First time i went against the system was when philly lost the 1st game to mets and i fired mets the whole way. Made out for a good pay day. Not to knock the system but i think philly needs to be faded no matter what...LOL
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                                              • moshi
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 12-18-11
                                                • 801

                                                #1493
                                                Originally posted by thelimit0310
                                                What are you even talking about? Can you even name a system that has gone 10 years without going negative once? The last time this system went negative was 5 years ago. Even if you played the losing season as your first season with the system, you would still have a substantial net gain by this point from the system. That is not a failure in the slightest.

                                                This always happens on a system that hits a losing streak. Everyone freaks out. If your too timid to handle system anomalies then you shouldn't be playing systems.
                                                Ok. I just checked the last two pages and I get what you and alexknyc are saying. I'm not actually playing the system myself. I was just putting out a suggestion for all those who were saying things like 'I had several thousand two weeks ago, now I only have a few hundred'. Yes, that is a money management problem.
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                                                • J.M. Disciple
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 11-16-10
                                                  • 5154

                                                  #1494
                                                  On3 nailed it right on the dot in his post. People following the labby lines should only be down 42% of their roll at max. My problem was that I was using 1% and constantly changing unit sizes so even though I was in it from the begiinning with 20 net units gained I am still down 42units. constantly changing my unit size was my problem. Also following 2 other systems was my problem.

                                                  martingale players I believe are down more since its a straight chase, but shouldn't be broke because of it. Roughly 50-70units max considering a 3 game chase with the juice. Just readjust your unit size and start over; much better idea then going broke on the next 5-6 bets at 5% per bet with only 30units left.
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                                                  • J.M. Disciple
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 11-16-10
                                                    • 5154

                                                    #1495
                                                    Originally posted by moshi
                                                    Ok. I just checked the last two pages and I get what you and alexknyc are saying. I'm not actually playing the system myself. I was just putting out a suggestion for all those who were saying things like 'I had several thousand two weeks ago, now I only have a few hundred'. Yes, that is a money management problem.
                                                    People understand your trying to help, but a lot of people take it the wrong way when you post advice on an incomplete back test. I have done this many times and I am slowly learning my lesson about giving small sample size advice.

                                                    Good Luck
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                                                    • J.M. Disciple
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 11-16-10
                                                      • 5154

                                                      #1496
                                                      Also I think the only system in the positive over 10 years would be the NBA system where its a 6 game chase fading the home team on a 3 game road trip each half. Its solamans system I guess.

                                                      Good Luck on Boston tonight.


                                                      Keep up the good work on3. Im sure now a lot more people understand the variance and can start over with a more open mind and better understanding to sports betting.
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                                                      • wolvereen
                                                        SBR Rookie
                                                        • 09-29-09
                                                        • 44

                                                        #1497
                                                        Beckett not going tonight
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                                                        • dlunc3
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 10-31-09
                                                          • 9129

                                                          #1498
                                                          Originally posted by on3
                                                          in regards to the posts of money management. the $20/unit is based off of a $2000 bankroll at 1%. the system as it stands is -22 units or $440. i dont know how you would lose your entire bankroll if you only lost 25% of it. even if you jumped on the system at its peak +20 units, you are down 42 units, or 42%. if your entire bankroll is gone when the system AT MOST has lost 50%, your other 50% of losses have come from other areas.
                                                          Hey On3... just wanted to discuss this a little more. The danger so far is not what has happened, it is what could potentially happen. Losing 22 units so far is nothing, and you should have plenty of bullets left in the barrel.. But right now, the way the labby lines are looking, I would really EXTREMELY caution anyone to continue the way the lines are. Spread them out / start over / whatever... but for example, tonights game on Boston, the -147 line is actually a low line for this system... and this number you are playing to win ($85), is much less then some of the other numbers on your lines. But with that $85 number you are playing to win tonight, you will be risking $125 to win $85 on this game. With the starting bankroll of $2000 down to $1560, this wager is 8% of your bankroll. Until/if/when this system goes on a great run, every bet will be basically a minimum of 8% of your bankroll. Since every series is completely independent, what is to say this win streak will start this week?

                                                          So just some caution. I am a huge fan of the system and have made great money of it.... but I would urge anyone following to be extremely careful right now. Making 5% bets on a regular, let alone 8% or more!, is a quick way to go bust...

                                                          Hopefully a huge streak is ahead... BOL and thanks for the hard work On3 caution
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                                                          • Ghenghis Kahn
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 01-02-12
                                                            • 19734

                                                            #1499
                                                            dlunc3 has a good point. people bringing up about bankroll management has no idea what they are talking about. consistently betting 8% of your roll isn't managing your roll properly. boston bet is already looking grim. how many more of these 8% bets can this system lose without breaking your roll? rethink this system before your egos get in the way...
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                                                            • WVU9494
                                                              SBR Sharp
                                                              • 11-14-11
                                                              • 333

                                                              #1500
                                                              Cool, 4-1. Trying to see if I can get down 150 units.
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                                                              • Gndias
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 11-23-11
                                                                • 1607

                                                                #1501
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                                                                • moshi
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 12-18-11
                                                                  • 801

                                                                  #1502
                                                                  Still early but Boston has no chance.
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                                                                  • daddyv
                                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                                    • 10-05-10
                                                                    • 241

                                                                    #1503
                                                                    omg this is brutal
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                                                                    • xgame
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 07-21-10
                                                                      • 675

                                                                      #1504
                                                                      Game over
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                                                                      • ChiLLx
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 12-24-11
                                                                        • 5412

                                                                        #1505
                                                                        Red Sox really are a joke

                                                                        These overrated big market teams have killed this system so far
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