USC-Raiders, What Would The Spread Be?

[englishmike]

This thread encapsulates perfectly why it's a waste of time posting on internet forums, especially this one. Like all the other handicapper and gambling threads, it's a bunch of kids telling other people that they are superior in every aspect of life and the only people that can possibly be right, and if you don't agree with what they say you're either dumb, ignorant, square, worthy of no respect or a combination of all four.

And that 'superior knowledge' over the dumbasses is backed up with comments like: 'If USC played Oakland they wouldn't get a first down,' and; 'The Raiders would score on every possesion.'

'Your comments are ridiculous but my ridiculous comments aren't ridiculous because I say you're dumb so I must be right.'

This forum is full of kids and sucks and I'm wondering why I spend my time indulging people I have fvck all in common with and wouldn't give the time of day in the real world.

[daggerkobe]

Buddybear you are the dumbest simpleton I have ever seen anywhere.

So USC loses to Stanford so that nullifies everything they have accomplished since 2002? 2 National championships, a 3rd that was lost in the final seconds. The blow out wins over Iowa, Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State, Auburn, etc and some of the other traditional powers houses?

Mcfadden played a good game but it was against one of the worst teams in the league. If u think 1 game sample = greatness then tell me how Timmy Smith's cared went after rushing for over 200 yds in the Super Bowl. And I guess they should cut Russell since he only threw for 50 yards. You are the dumbest nincumpoop alive.

So what if I said USC wins by 14 or 49..... Prove me wrong dickhead. Oh that's right u can't because it's a hypothetical and will not be played!!!!! D u h!!!!!! But considering my track record here with my predictions u would most likely be on the wrong side again.

I don't care who u respect or not but giving head and suckling duritos is embarrassing. Learn to form ur own opinions and not get lead around by a leash. No one here is right or wrong until the game is PLAYED you stupid ****!!!!!!!

I wish u had the balls or the sports IQ to actually post picks. Because I guarantee u have had tons of games u felt as strongly about that lost big. But ur probably broke ass loser who still gets allowances from mom because u can't be more than 12. Anyone who thinks one game samples mean anything is either mentally retarded or a child whose brain hasn't developed beyond puberty.

[daggerkobe]

This thread encapsulates perfectly why it's a waste of time posting on internet forums, especially this one. Like all the other handicapper and gambling threads, it's a bunch of kids telling other people that they are superior in every aspect of life, and the only people that can possibly be right, and if you don't agree with what they say you're either dumb, ignorant, square, worthy of no respect or a combination of all four.

And that 'superior knowledge' over the dumbasses is backed up with comments like: 'If USC played Oakland they wouldn't get a first down,' and; 'The Raiders would score on every possesion.'

'You're comments are ridiculous but my ridiculous comments aren't ridiculous because I say you're dumb so I must be right.'

This forum is full of kids and sucks.

No kidding. Gotta love it when nincumpoops like durito, monkey, buddybear don't have the balls or the sports IQ to post picks and express opinions on real games this past weekend but when it comes to hypothetical games that will never be played (so no worries about being proven wrong), they all act like they are Brandon Lang.

[daggerkobe]

Daggerkobe proves again that he is the dumbest poster on gambling forums. Quite an accomplishment.

USC wouldn't get a first down. The raiders would score on every possession.

Just because no NFL team has ever played an NCAA team does not mean that one cannot make inferences about what such a result would be.

What a fcuking dolt.

I guarantee if this game were scheduled for this weekend, this moron would go in to hiding since he wouldn't have the balls to actually bet his ridiculous predictions like the one above.

[daggerkobe]

AGAIN, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MADE THE PREDICTION, MORON. Heisman trophy's don't mean squat in the pros. Just because you're a great college player doesn't mean you'll be anything better than average in the NFL. And yeah, I suppose better players don't attend smaller schools for academic reasons or because they want to be closer to their family or (GET THIS!) maybe they were overlooked or poorly evaluated by scouts in high school. No way that could EVER happen with the thousands of high school football players graduating each year.

So you are 100% sure my prediction of USC winning is outrageous and erronous, since you can predict futures of hypothetical games, but durito's ridiculous comment that USC won't even get a 1st down doesn't fall on your radar? You are a dumbfcuk just like the the crowd you roll with.

I didn't say Heisman trophy winners would be great pros, you stupid fcuk. It shows the talent level of recruits when you got bunch of players winning college football's greatest individual award from the same team.

I never said there weren't any good high school players that went to small schools. I just think you're full of shit when you think the Raiders' rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U, and San Diego State are stronger, faster, better than the All-Americans at USC when they are sure 1st rd picks and future NFL stars. I guarantee they will have better NFL careers than those guys from Uconn, Buffalo U or San Diego St. Why? Because THEY ARE BETTER PLAYERS AND ATHLETES.

[BuddyBear]

Trojans would beat the Raiders!!!!!!!!!!

SC currently has 5-10 future 1st rd picks that can play in the NFL right now. Many of the Raiders are only 1-2 year removed from college like Russell and McFadden.

Not to mention SC has far superior coaching staff.

Didn't u guys watch a rookie WR punk the Raiders on MNF????????

Trojans 42 - Raiders 28

You still have the audacity to talk in this thread? I am being dead serious. And now you've been inspired because you've found an equally idiotic poster in EnglishMike.

Look at what you said in the above post. Take a good long and hard look at your exact words and the intensity and enthusiasm in which you wrote them and have defended them throughout this thread. You really expect a college team to put up 42 points on an NFL defense? Just to put in perspective, there were 9 games yesterday that did not have a total of 42 points combined between the two teams. Yet, you somehow believe that USC would do just that. How do you justify this type of belief? How do you go around with such deficient critical thinking skills?

And your same irrational logic is this: Because USC lost to Stanford as -40 favorite, it only goes to show that the same could be true between a hypothetical USC/Oakland matchup. Imagine how irrational somehow has to be to believe in such a ridiculous statement. Your whole thought process is irrational.

Do you know the difference between the NFL and NCAAF other than they play on different days. You do realize that the Tennesse that plays on Sunday is different than the one who plays on Saturday's? I mean, it's almost like you've never watched football before.

If I were you, I would have stopped posting long long ago in this thread. You've done nothing other than establish yourself as the world's stupidest person.

[daggerkobe]

I guess the Patriots SUCK since they lost to a wild-card team in the Super Bowl last season. Who cares if they've won tons of games, 3 SBs and went 18-0 before losing..... that one loss to a wild card team that barely made the playoffs means so much more.

WHAT A FCUKING DOLT!

Yes, my prediction is sooooooooo 100% wrong because you must own a hypothetical time machine which you can take to the hypothetical future to watch hypothetical games. Yet, you associate with a numbskull who predicts that USC won't even get a 1st down and that the Raiders would score a TD every possession.

You don't have the balls to predict REAL games because you can't handle being wrong. So stick to hypotheticals where you will never be proven wrong (or right) because it will never be played.

Got any opinions/predictions for tonight's MNF? Of course not.

[daggerkobe]

USC wins 70 - 3.

PROVE ME WRONG, DICKHEADS.

Oh, that's right........

[MonkeyF0cker]

Apparently the Raiders defense would give up more points than Ohio State did on Saturday. I'm done with this conversation. And as for my "picks" dagger, I have nothing to prove to you nor anyone else. I've spent a great deal of time and effort developing computer programs that do the vast majority of my work for me and I really don't feel like listing all of my plays throughout the day on here just to prove to boneheads on this forum that I can post a winning record. Anyone that cares about that has no idea how advantage gambling works and is generally a huge loser in the long term. Some of us simply come here to waste time and offer tidbits of advice here and there. We don't care about who the best loser is...

[Panic]

It would have actually been more productive to argue this point had it been the best college players assembled on one team against the worse NFL team. Not USC against whichever pro team. The Trojans would get killed. Now if you take the best players from each team around the nation and make a 47 player roster, then you would have a better chance to argue that a college team could beat a Pro team...but even then I think the worse Pro team wins it.

[BuddyBear]

Apparently the Raiders defense would give up more points than Ohio State did on Saturday. I'm done with this conversation. And as for my "picks" dagger, I have nothing to prove to you nor anyone else. I've spent a great deal of time and effort developing computer programs that do the vast majority of my work for me and I really don't feel like listing all of my plays throughout the day on here just to prove to boneheads on this forum that I can post a winning record. Anyone that cares about that has no idea how advantage gambling works and is generally a huge loser in the long term. Some of us simply come here to waste time and offer tidbits of advice here and there. We don't care about who the best loser is...

Well said MF. There are some very sharp guys on here who offer insights and techniques that will help players win. Then there are idiots like Dagger and EnglishMike whose critical thinking skills rival those of a 3rd grader in Saudia Arabia. What's sad is that his beliefs remain as steadfast as ever and he truly believes that USC would put up 42 points against an NFL defense and win going away at that. If they played this matchup 100 times, USC wouldn't score a combined 42 points...just to show you off your math is.

This thread says everything about critical thinking skills, and who has them and who does not. It should be very self-evident based on this thread that some have them and some refuse to even want them instead preferring to continue to live in total ignorance of facts.

[daggerkobe]

Dosen't have time to post predictions for real games, yet spends hours telling me USC couldn't possibly win a hypothetical game.

[daggerkobe]

It would have actually been more productive to argue this point had it been the best college players assembled on one team against the worse NFL team. Not USC against whichever pro team. The Trojans would get killed. Now if you take the best players from each team around the nation and make a 47 player roster, then you would have a better chance to argue that a college team could beat a Pro team...but even then I think the worse Pro team wins it.

Seriously... have you seen the Raiders' roster? You really think rookies from Uconn, San Diego St, and Buffalo U are better players than USC players? Even if they were the best players on their own teams.... it's still Uconn, SD St and Buffalo U. Come on now.

USC has at least 6 1st RD picks on this team. You think the Raiders have 6 players that would be 1st rd picks in the NFL draft???????

[BuddyBear]

Dosen't have time to post predictions for real games, yet spends hours telling me USC couldn't possibly win a hypothetical game.

Hypothetical or not, you've shown yourself to be the biggest idiot on this board. You should be very thrilled with such a distinction....there is a ton of competition on here. So be proud of that and keep up the good work

[Panic]

Seriously... have you seen the Raiders' roster? You really think rookies from Uconn, San Diego St, and Buffalo U are better players than USC players? Even if they were the best players on their own teams.... it's still Uconn, SD St and Buffalo U. Come on now.

USC has at least 6 1st RD picks on this team. You think the Raiders have 6 players that would be 1st rd picks in the NFL draft???????

Dagger, how can I put this?.....you could take the first 47 players in this years draft,#1 through #47, and make a team. And it would still not beat the worse team in the Pro's. So the fact that USC has 6 means nothing. You could have all of the best talent around the nation...the entire 1st round of the draft and they would still lose to whichever Pro team you want them to play.

[daggerkobe]

Well said MF. There are some very sharp guys on here who offer insights and techniques that will help players win. Then there are idiots like Dagger and EnglishMike whose critical thinking skills rival those of a 3rd grader in Saudia Arabia. What's sad is that his beliefs remain as steadfast as ever and he truly believes that USC would put up 42 points against an NFL defense and win going away at that. If they played this matchup 100 times, USC wouldn't score a combined 42 points...just to show you off your math is.

This thread says everything about critical thinking skills, and who has them and who does not. It should be very self-evident based on this thread that some have them and some refuse to even want them instead preferring to continue to live in total ignorance of facts.

Funny how this moron claims to have learned so much from "sharps" like durito yet has no opinions/predictions of real games, only the hypothetical ones. Yeah, have fun raking in those hypothetical dollars.

[daggerkobe]

Dagger, how can I put this?.....you could take the first 47 players in this years draft,#1 through #47, and make a team. And it would still not beat the worse team in the Pro's. So the fact that USC has 6 means nothing. You could have all of the best talent around the nation...the entire 1st round of the draft and they would still lose to whichever Pro team you want them to play.

You're avoiding my question. You think rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St are better than the All-Americans, Heisman trophy candidates of USC?

Do you really believe being the worst of the pros is better than being the best college players, who many would be starting for pro teams had they not decided to past up the draft for another chance at a national title???????

You're telling me, you'd rather have those rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St than the All-Americans on USC (all projected to go in the 1st rd)?????????

[element1286]

You're avoiding my question. You think rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St are better than the All-Americans, Heisman trophy candidates of USC?

Do you really believe being the worst of the pros is better than being the best college players, who many would be starting for pro teams had they not decided to past up the draft for another chance at a national title???????

You're telling me, you'd rather have those rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St than the All-Americans on USC (all projected to go in the 1st rd)?????????

Those rookies are down on the depth chart, so your argument really isn't valid.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Dosen't have time to post predictions for real games, yet spends hours telling me USC couldn't possibly win a hypothetical game.

That's exactly what I mean when I say you have no idea how advantage gambling works. It's about exploiting market inefficiencies not "picking winners". It's senseless to have a conversation with someone who doesn't even comprehend these basic concepts.

[Panic]

You're avoiding my question. You think rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St are better than the All-Americans, Heisman trophy candidates of USC?

Do you really believe being the worst of the pros is better than being the best college players, who many would be starting for pro teams had they not decided to past up the draft for another chance at a national title???????

You're telling me, you'd rather have those rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St than the All-Americans on USC (all projected to go in the 1st rd)?????????

Actually, Dagger, I was saying you could upgrade weak positions on the Trojans with the best player available in college and it would still lose. Since its hypothetical...we'll never know for sure. But if someone told me Mike Tyson could beat Manny Pacquio in a boxing match...I'd know they were right. I wouldnt want to see the fight. Mike would hit him once and his head would come off. Doesnt matter if Pacquio is the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

USC is pound for pound, the best in college. But put them in the ring with a heavyweight and their head gets knocked off. That simple.

[BuddyBear]

You're avoiding my question. You think rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St are better than the All-Americans, Heisman trophy candidates of USC?

Do you really believe being the worst of the pros is better than being the best college players, who many would be starting for pro teams had they not decided to past up the draft for another chance at a national title???????

You're telling me, you'd rather have those rookies from Uconn, Buffalo U and San Diego St than the All-Americans on USC (all projected to go in the 1st rd)?????????

YES, YES, and YES you moron.

What do not you understand? College players can not compete with NFL players. The training that NFL players receive is so amazing and substantial compared to what college players receive, that any "all-american" would be blown out of the water by those same rookies you keep referencing. In a single month, an NFL rookie will have spent more time training and learning than his entire college career.

And why do you keep putting down Buffalo and SDSU as that is somehow suppose to bolster your argument? Is that really what you are relying on to form a judgment that USC would put up 42 pts and win going away against an NFL team. Many of the greatest players in the NFL have attended obscure schools. Terry Bradshaw, Jerry Rice, Joe Greene, Gene Upshaw, Steve Young, Roger Staubach, Johnny Unitas, etc...

Who are you fooling on here other than EnglishMike?

[daggerkobe]

Do I look like I need help with gambling?

Like I said, the loudest ones in this thread are those who don't have to balls to cap real games or post them. Because they can't handle failure and ridicule. They only stick to hypothetical games because that way they are never proven wrong (or right.)

Those that can't do, teach.

[jackpot269]

IMO the worst NFL team who ever it may be could easily beat the best collage team year in and year out even if the collage teams talent was better (never happen)the collage teams and players have a faction of the time to practice and prepare also the pro players may have been playing together for many years in collage even if they are all 4 year starters thats all they can have its a "whole other league" no disrespect to USC who has a great collage program but i don't think they could stay on the field with any NFL team.IMO
Oh , im wrong a lot but this is what i think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daggerkobe]

YES, YES, and YES you moron.

What do not you understand? College players can not compete with NFL players. The training that NFL players receive is so amazing and substantial compared to what college players receive, that any "all-american" would be blown out of the water by those same rookies you keep referencing. In a single month, an NFL rookie will have spent more time training and learning than his entire college career.

And why do you keep putting down Buffalo and SDSU as that is somehow suppose to bolster your argument? Is that really what you are relying on to form a judgment that USC would put up 42 pts and win going away against an NFL team. Many of the greatest players in the NFL have attended obscure schools. Terry Bradshaw, Jerry Rice, Joe Greene, Gene Upshaw, Steve Young, Roger Staubach, Johnny Unitas, etc...

Who are you fooling on here other than EnglishMike?

So tell us, what physical training do these players receive that turns them from non All-Americans that weren't even good enough to receive scholarships to big schools but turns them in to great pro players?

[BuddyBear]

I doubt we'll get an answer, but it's worth a shot:

How the hell did Matt Lienart lose his starting job to a journeyman AFL and NFL QB from Northern Iowa Dagger?

[daggerkobe]

You mean the former NFL & SB MVP, Kurt Warner?

[daggerkobe]

IMO the worst NFL team who ever it may be could easily beat the best collage team year in and year out even if the collage teams talent was better (never happen)the collage teams and players have a faction of the time to practice and prepare also the pro players may have been playing together for many years in collage even if they are all 4 year starters thats all they can have its a "whole other league" no disrespect to USC who has a great collage program but i don't think they could stay on the field with any NFL team.IMO
Oh , im wrong a lot but this is what i think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey you're entitled to your opinion.

The problem with this thread are these idiots that tell you that your opinion is wrong and that theirs is 100% right. Probably the same ones that thought the Giants had no chance against the Patriots.

[BuddyBear]

You mean the former NFL & SB MVP, Kurt Warner?

Was he in MVP and SuperBowl form when he beat out Matt Lienart?

Yeah, an AFL QB who went to Northern Iowa beat out Matt Lienart. You still can't even grasp how this suppresses everything you are saying in this thread.

There is nothing you can even come back with anymore b/c it's all been shot down. Your theory of college program superiority is totally out the window.

[daggerkobe]

Was he in MVP and SuperBowl form when he beat out Matt Lienart?

Yeah, an AFL QB who went to Northern Iowa beat out Matt Lienart. You still can't even grasp how this suppresses everything you are saying in this thread.

There is nothing you can even come back with anymore b/c it's all been shot down. Your theory of college program superiority is totally out the window.

3400 yds & 27 TD last season.

[MonkeyF0cker]

No. The guy who was bagging groceries before his stint with the Rams. The guy who "wasn't good enough to receive a scholarship from a big school". The guy who competed against those notorious USC, All-American, first round draft pick, Heisman trophy winners and beat them out for a starting QB position in the NFL.

[element1286]

So to sum up your argument dagger, let me know if I am missing something.

1. There are multiple first round picks on the roster of the USC Trojans.

2. Oakland has rookies from UCONN, San Diego St, and Buffalo.

[Richkas]

Raiders -14.5 ?

You might be right.

[supershark]

Yeah let's eliminate the First round and see how many stars are born.

Fact of the matter is over 90% of the superstars in the league were 1st rd draft picks. Sure there are some late round gems but they are few and far between.

But we're talking about the Raiders. The worst team since 2002. Go look up there roster and try and tell me again how they are better talent than the All-Americans of USC.

D

man you must have 2000 posts of pure stupidity. I could make you a list of dozens of 3rd round+ starters/studs in the nfl.

secondly their offense consists of Jamarcus Russel, and Darren Mcfadden who were better in college that any player on USC offense. And while Russel would be throwing into USC's college secondary, Sanchez would be trying to pass against Huff, Hall, Gibril Wilson, and Asomugha. That doesnt seem fair. easily a 30+ point victory, look for Matt Ryan type stats(week 2) at best.

[durito]

I love how when donks realize they are making a ridiculous argument they fall back on the tried and true: you don't post picks.

[daggerkobe]

man you must have 2000 posts of pure stupidity. I could make you a list of dozens of 3rd round+ starters/studs in the nfl.

secondly their offense consists of Jamarcus Russel, and Darren Mcfadden who were better in college that any player on USC offense. And while Russel would be throwing into USC's college secondary, Sanchez would be trying to pass against Huff, Hall, Gibril Wilson, and Asomugha. That doesnt seem fair. easily a 30+ point victory, look for Matt Ryan type stats(week 2) at best.

Go head, list all your 3rd RD+ stars. I guarantee they are just a speck of dirt compared to all the stars drafted in the 1st RD.