USC-Raiders, What Would The Spread Be?

[daneblazer]

I think a better question is what would the spead of the Rams/USC game be

[JRS21386]

I think a better question is what would the spead of the Rams/USC game be

Still, Rame -41

[daggerkobe]

Daggerkobe: I have never seen anyone quite as ignorant or as proud of their ignorance as you in this thread. Even despite today, OAK goes on the road and dominates their opponents, you still hold onto your steadfast belief that USC could beat Oakland on any given day? Umm yeah. USC can't even beat Stanford, yet you somehow rationalize that, yeah, it's possible that USC could beat a roster full of players who are bigger, faster, stronger, and more experienced. Do you realize the players on USC practice only a certain set amount of hours....they go to class moron! They are "student-athletes." Professional football players practice and train all day...it's their livelihood.

There is no circumstance in which USC could even be remotely competitive against a professional NFL football team. I doubt they could even be competitive against a CFL team.

Hypothetical or not, your ignorance is certainly real.

I give up. Can't argue with 1-game samples, they are bullet proof.

[daggerkobe]

Someone should start a Batman vs. Superman topic.... the same idiots that are so sure of Raiders dominance will be just as sure of which cartoon character is superior to the other. Geeks.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Don't you find it rather odd that everyone in this thread disagrees with you? Not one person agrees with you. You should probably assess whether that generally means that you are ignorant or everyone else is...

[daggerkobe]

And if everyone jumped off the bridge......

I'm used to everyone here disagreeing with me.

When I said Big Brown wouldn't win the Belmont (+400) everyone disagreed.
When I said Yankees +160 over Angels was the play, everyone disagreed.
When I said Dementieva would win the Olympic Gold, everyone disagreed.
When I said Djokovic would beat Roddick at the US Open, everyone disagreed.

Notice a theme here?


Popular doesn't equal righteousness.

[BuddyBear]

And if everyone jumped off the bridge......

I'm used to everyone here disagreeing with me.

When I said Big Brown wouldn't win the Belmont (+400) everyone disagreed.
When I said Yankees +160 over Angels was the play, everyone disagreed.
When I said Dementieva would win the Olympic Gold, everyone disagreed.
When I said Djokovic would beat Roddick at the US Open, everyone disagreed.

Notice a theme here?


Popular doesn't equal righteousness.

No I don't notice a theme at all.

Seriously, you are an absolute idiot beyond belief. Do you not for a moment see how stupid you sound with every post you make. Great you've made some "good calls" like taking a +160 underdog in baseball and a +130 dog in a tennis final and -200 favorite in the US Open QFs. Wow, we are all impressed.

Of course USC and Oakland playing was a hypothetical. But that's not the point. When you go to a job interview they give you hypothetical questions about what you would do given X, Y, and Z. In standardized tests, it's not uncommon to find questions that feature unrealistic situations. In political campaigns, candidates are always asked hypothetical questions which become the basis for opinion formation and integration among many voters.

The fact that Oakland vs. USC is hypothetical does not change anything. The whole point of this thread was for you to demonstrate some level of critical thinking skills based on an identifiable set of information that everyone has access to. How long have you watched football? You are sitting here seriously believing that Oakland would be -17 against a college football team that lost at home as a -40 pt favorite against one of the worst teams in 1-AA???? A team that features maybe 7-10 players who will get shots in the NFL and from that 7-10, 2 of them will play past 4 years in the NFL. A team whose possibly greatest player and Heisman trophy winner Matt Lienert was benched in favor of a journeyman NFL QB and on one of the worst franchises no less. A team whose coach was fired from his 2 coaching gigs in the NFL. A team whose players go to class during the week and have curfews and are on their parents' health insurance.

It does not even dawn on you that professional sports is a business. Each franchise takes players who are built like machines. Every player on Oakland is bigger, faster, stronger, more experienced, more mature, etc... than their college counterpart. Yet you somehow rationalize that Oakland would be about a -17 point favorite against this same college football team and even go on to say that they would win by 2tds.

Yet, somehow we are suppose to believe you are some sort of contrarian or independent thinking person because you said Novak Djokovic would beat Andy Roddick in U.S. Open QFs. Yeah, the same Novak Djokovic who opened up -218 against Roddick.

Who do you think you are fooling on here?????

[MonkeyF0cker]

BB, this clown isn't saying that Oakland would be 17 point favorites. He's saying USC would BEAT Oakland.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Uhh. So because you got four completely unrelated games right, that makes you some sort of expert? Your cluelessness is astounding.

[BuddyBear]

Yeah, I saw that. I guess for him, USC would be -4.5 or something on a neutral field

[daggerkobe]

I know all about hypotheticals. Unfortunately, you remain clueless and hopeless.

THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER TO A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION DUMB****!!!!!

You do not go around ridiculing others because their answers don't conform to your own. Who gives a crap if someone thinks the line should be -17? -10 or even -3? That is their OPINION to a HYPOTHETICAL question!!!!!! For you to insult them because their opinion is different than your own is equivalent to throwing a drink in someone's face and yelling at them. Not only is it rude but bordering on mental illness. What an egotistical jackass you must be in real life to think the world revolves around your conceited ass. Wait, you can't even form your own opinion, you have to depend on your babysitter, durito, to tell you what to think.

THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER IN A HYPOTHETICAL DUMB****!!!!!!!! (read it another 1,000,000 times so you can absorb it through your thick skull)

Who gives a shit if USC lost to Stanford? It proves nothing. It just goes to show that a bigger, stronger, faster and better teams doesn't always win.

I'll bet in that little cave you have lived in all your life, it would absolutely blow your mind if you found out a female player beat a male player in tennis or that bunch of college kids beat the Dream-Team loaded with NBA legends such as Jordan, Magic, Bird, Barkley. I can almost imagine you throwing a temper tantrum and tossing your dirty diapers at the wall. Oh no, weaker, slower, inferior players beating their physically superior opponents.... the fantasy world as you know must be crumbling down!!!!!!!!!

But what baffles me the most is how someone as dense as you can possibly think rookies such as Trevor Scott, Chaz Schilens, Tyvon Branch from such football "powerhouses" San Diego St, Uconn and Buffalo are bigger, stronger, faster and more experienced when they weren't even good enough to make the All-American team nor recruited by any real college powerhouses?

Or how about McFadden who has played against the Trojans twice and gained only 70 yards a game while his team lost by an avg of 50 pts?

Maybe all those All-Americans and 1st round picks that were NFL ready out of high school had something to do with his pitiful performance? Nawwwwwwwwwww, couldn't be!

[daggerkobe]

Btw, Djokovic was -140 not -200. He was bet down to around EV because dopes like you got caught up in the hype.

[daggerkobe]

Uhh. So because you got four completely unrelated games right, that makes you some sort of expert? Your cluelessness is astounding.

I pick side A.

The mob ridicule me and lecture me that side B is the correct side.

Side A wins.... almost every single time.

Figure it out, Sherlock.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Do you even know how a line is set, dagger? It's called a probability distribution. There's always a chance that any team will beat another team, thus - A LINE! There's also a chance that pigs will fly out of your ass or you'll win the Powerball jackpot. It doesn't mean it's going to happen.

[daggerkobe]

Then tell me, why was there no line on Michigan-Appalachian State last season?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Uhh. It may have something to do with balancing books and trying to make a profit on vig rather than an outcome, along with the high probability that Michigan would win the game convincingly. Do you really not know the fundamentals of how sportsbooks turn a profit?

[daggerkobe]

WRONG. But nice try.

I find it quite amusing that linesmakers with years and years of experience can not set a line for college teams playing across divisional ranks due to lack of data, yet armchair linesmakers like yourself can make lines for professional vs. college in the blink of an eye and even telling others how wrong they are. The ego of some people.

[MonkeyF0cker]

What's even more odd is that you're wrong, once again. There were books that offered a line on the game. In fact, I KNOW the Hilton here had a line on the game. And I'd love for you to show me where I EVER mentioned an appropriate line in this thread. I have merely disputed your ridiculous notion that USC would beat the Raiders were they to actually play. Keep trying. Eventually you might get something right...

[daggerkobe]

Wow, you're so clairvoyant that you already know the results of games that will never be played?

The ego of some people......

[poetwarrior41]

Dagger you really need to get a life! Do you know you have spent more then 2 days defending your ridiculous comments? We all agree that USC is a phenomenal team, but never and i mean never will the best college team beat the worst NFL team. You can pull out all the Buster Douglas or Markie Wahlbergs of the world you want, but it aint ever happening. They are at the very least a 34 point favorite, and do you know how motivated an NFL team would be to want to obliterate USC. I dont care how good you are, its the speed of the NFL is what takes rookies sooooo long to adjust too. The Raider defense would have USC soooo confused with blitzes and coverage schemes, that Sanchez would either be sacked or throwing an INT on every play. You try and run the ball, the LB's and Safeties are soooooooo fast, your getting nothing or losing yards on every play. The USC 1st rounders that your touting have potential, everybody on the Raiders has already made it and have lived up to their potential.
Go to sleep dude, or watch a movie, or here is a genius idea, instead of arguing some ridiculous point for two straight days, put some of that energy into trying to get laid. I promise you, you will stop thinking about this ridiculous thread that you have wasted two days of your life debating.

Raiders 56
USC 3

[daggerkobe]

Yes, those studs from San Diego St, Uconn and Buffalo U would make USC's All-Americans & 1st RD talent shiver in their jockstraps.



Wow......

[reno cool]

It seems that the sheer difference in weight would be a bigger factor in football than in other sports.
Good job fighting them off though Dagger.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yes, those studs from San Diego St, Uconn and Buffalo U would make USC's All-Americans & 1st RD talent shiver in their jockstraps.



Wow......

Yeah. You're so right. USC gets EVERY great player in the nation! Better players couldn't possibly come from smaller schools. Players like Randy Moss, Brett Favre, Tony Romo, Terrell Owens, Donald Driver... Bums. They'd never make a USC squad much less a Pro Bowl. You're brilliant.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Wow, you're so clairvoyant that you already know the results of games that will never be played?

The ego of some people......

You're the one that made the prediction you fvckin idiot... How dumb are you?

[daggerkobe]

Yeah. You're so right. USC gets EVERY great player in the nation! Better players couldn't possibly come from smaller schools. Players like Randy Moss, Brett Favre, Tony Romo, Terrell Owens, Donald Driver... Bums. They'd never make a USC squad much less a Pro Bowl. You're brilliant.

Yeah, USC ranking #1 in recruiting 4 out of past 6 seasons, and sending 22 picks in the first two rounds of the NFL draft since 2003 is worthless compared to other schools producing 1 star every 25 years.

Randy Moss was EXPELLED from ND & FSU, he had no choice.

[daggerkobe]

You're the one that made the prediction you fvckin idiot... How dumb are you?

"USC will NOT win".... yeah that sure doesn't sound like a prediction.

[MonkeyF0cker]

"USC will NOT win".... yeah that sure doesn't sound like a prediction.

Hard to argue with someone of such infantile intelligence. It was, in fact, your "clairvoyance" and ego that began the conversation, genius.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah, USC ranking #1 in recruiting 4 out of past 6 seasons, and sending 22 picks in the first two rounds of the NFL draft since 2003 is worthless compared to other schools producing 1 star every 25 years.

Randy Moss was EXPELLED from ND & FSU, he had no choice.

Boy are you smart. The fact remains, they don't get the best player at every single position, genius. How many USC alumni out of all of those first rounders started in the Pro Bowl last year again? Zero. And you just described a legitimate reason in your Randy Moss example of why better players may play at smaller schools and why they come to the NFL and beat out your precious USC first rounders for a starting position.

[daggerkobe]

Well we're sure lucky to have someone that can predict the hypothetical future of hypothetical games to set me straight.

Hmmmm 3 Heisman trophy winners since 2003, All-Americans at QB, RB, WR, DL, OL, S,CB, PK.... yeah ur right they haven't had a great punter.

Yes, Randy Mosses getting expelled from big schools for drug use and starring at smaller schools is a dime a dozen occurrence

[MonkeyF0cker]

AGAIN, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT MADE THE PREDICTION, MORON. Heisman trophy's don't mean squat in the pros. Just because you're a great college player doesn't mean you'll be anything better than average in the NFL. And yeah, I suppose better players don't attend smaller schools for academic reasons or because they want to be closer to their family or (GET THIS!) maybe they were overlooked or poorly evaluated by scouts in high school. No way that could EVER happen with the thousands of high school football players graduating each year.

[Tosser]

It is simply not true that every NFL player is in his prime, and that all college players are still kids.

• Darren McFadden
• #20
• Running back
• Oakland Raiders

• Height: 6-2
• Weight: 210
• Born: Aug 27, 1987 - North Little Rock, AR
• College: Arkansas
• Draft: 2008 - 1st round (4th pick) by the Oakland Raiders

This guy won the game for Oak yesterday, barely more than a college kid right?

[BuddyBear]

I know all about hypotheticals. Unfortunately, you remain clueless and hopeless.

THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER TO A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION DUMB****!!!!!

Actually, there is. There is an objective truth out there. There is a "true" population line. Sure, if you want to argue that the line should be closer to -60 instead of -41 or so, that makes more sense. But if you say USC should be -4.5 favorites, I should now treat your opinion as somehow equivalent to mine because it is just an opinion and there is no "right or wrong" to it. I don't think so.

You do not go around ridiculing others because their answers don't conform to your own. Who gives a crap if someone thinks the line should be -17? -10 or even -3? That is their OPINION to a HYPOTHETICAL question!!!!!! For you to insult them because their opinion is different than your own is equivalent to throwing a drink in someone's face and yelling at them. Not only is it rude but bordering on mental illness. What an egotistical jackass you must be in real life to think the world revolves around your conceited ass.

You deserve to be ridiculed. You've made an absolute dunce of yourself in this thread. You said USC would beat OAK by 14if they played. What did you expect? It's almost like facts and reality are oblivious to you. You really think that you could say something so outrageous and continue to defend such a ridiculous set of beliefs?

Wait, you can't even form your own opinion, you have to depend on your babysitter, durito, to tell you what to think.

I respect his opinion and look forward to his insights and comments. He's certainly established himself much better than you have on here.

THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER IN A HYPOTHETICAL DUMB****!!!!!!!! (read it another 1,000,000 times so you can absorb it through your thick skull)

I doubt this to be the case, but there is an objective truth out there waiting to be studied.

Who gives a shit if USC lost to Stanford? It proves nothing. It just goes to show that a bigger, stronger, faster and better teams doesn't always win.

Actually, it goes to show that they can't even beat one of the worst teams in the country, yet you somehow believe they can beat an NFL team. Do you not see how stupid you sound when you say something like this. Think about it slowly, very slowly: USC lost at home to one of the weakest teams 1-AA, yet this same team you expect to beat an NFL team by 2 touchdowns.

I'll bet in that little cave you have lived in all your life, it would absolutely blow your mind if you found out a female player beat a male player in tennis or that bunch of college kids beat the Dream-Team loaded with NBA legends such as Jordan, Magic, Bird, Barkley. I can almost imagine you throwing a temper tantrum and tossing your dirty diapers at the wall. Oh no, weaker, slower, inferior players beating their physically superior opponents.... the fantasy world as you know must be crumbling down!!!!!!!!!

But what baffles me the most is how someone as dense as you can possibly think rookies such as Trevor Scott, Chaz Schilens, Tyvon Branch from such football "powerhouses" San Diego St, Uconn and Buffalo are bigger, stronger, faster and more experienced when they weren't even good enough to make the All-American team nor recruited by any real college powerhouses?

Or how about McFadden who has played against the Trojans twice and gained only 70 yards a game while his team lost by an avg of 50 pts?

Maybe all those All-Americans and 1st round picks that were NFL ready out of high school had something to do with his pitiful performance? Nawwwwwwwwwww, couldn't be!

Or, yeah, how about Jerry Rice?

This is just rambling that makes no sense. We've addressed these points now on several occassions. Ignorance is bliss. Or basically you are a fundementalist...not willing to admit you are wrong or even for a moment change your mind.

Good luck...you no doubt, in my mind, will be a losing gambler forever if this is your mindset. In fact, I guarantee you will be a losing gambler. You haven't demonstrated any of the necessary critical thinking skills that are needed to be successful in gambling on sports. You fit in nicely with those "TV experts" who make picks every week who are square as can be. They, no doubt, probably believe USC can beat OAK too, and with such certainty as you've expressed and defended throughout this thread. The best you can do is point to the fact that you picked a -200 favorite to win in U.S. Open QFs as somehow indicative of your critical thinking skills. You've embarrassed yourself quite easily and frequently in this thread.

You should be really quite embarrassed to hold such a poorly developed set of beliefs.

USC 42 OAK 28

[BuddyBear]

It is simply not true that every NFL player is in his prime, and that all college players are still kids.

• Darren McFadden
• #20
• Running back
• Oakland Raiders

• Height: 6-2
• Weight: 210
• Born: Aug 27, 1987 - North Little Rock, AR
• College: Arkansas
• Draft: 2008 - 1st round (4th pick) by the Oakland Raiders

This guy won the game for Oak yesterday, barely more than a college kid right?

Yes, he had a full off-season of NFL training (DEC to SEPT) with NFL conditioners. The biggest leap a college kid makes is the off-season between college and his first year as a rookie. All the hours that McFadden trained and practiced in a single month was probably more than a college player at USC does for the entire year or possibly his entire career.

Why are certain points so difficult and hard for people to understand?

[durito]

Daggerkobe proves again that he is the dumbest poster on gambling forums. Quite an accomplishment.

USC wouldn't get a first down. The raiders would score on every possession.

Just because no NFL team has ever played an NCAA team does not mean that one cannot make inferences about what such a result would be.

[Tosser]

Durito and BB..i understand why you think the score would be 80-0 or something, but why do you have to try to enforce your opinion on others? I would set the line around 30, am i a stupid poster if i think USC could cover that just because they can play ball too?
This is about opinions, its fictional, so pls stop acting as if you are god and all-knowing..thanks.