Really, dagger? In Pete Carroll's seven years at USC, there have been 11 first round picks from his teams. You do realize that football is a team sport and that teams generally attempt to exploit weaknesses in the other team, that NFL players are selected from a pool of the entire NCAA's best talent, and that if a major league baseball team played a little league team that the MLB team would probably win, right? You'd feel sorry for USC by halftime.
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Yup. This thread definitely got more retarded with this asinine post of yours.Originally posted by daggerkobeComment -
There are currently 3 Trojans projected to go in the first rd of 2009 draft: Mays, Maualuga, and Cushing. After tonight Mark Sanchez is clearly the front runner for the Heisman and will undoutably be a #1 pick. Same with Joe McKnight who has Reggie Bush like speed and versatility. Anoter #1 pick. So that's at least 5 1st rd picks. There are other multiple 2nd rd and 3rd picks.Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
So which of these 5 can't replace a current Raider and couldn't do a better job?Comment -
If u don't comprehend I will gladly explain further.Originally posted by rjt721Comment -
People think everyone in the NFL is the best of the best but that's not true. Lots of these guys were grocery baggers, insurance salesmen, UPS worker, etc. NFL isn't about filling every position with stars. No team can afford that's. It's about surrounding couple of superstars with adequate and cheap talent. Most of these guys weren't even good standouts in college. They just did well at the NFL combines so a team wasted a pick on them.
This is why many of the top rookies can come in and start immediately because the ones they are replacing weren't very good to begin with.
If u were Al Davis and USC called and offered 10 players of ur choice u would decline?I don't think so. They would immediately improve ur team.Comment -
These threads are silly.
There has never been a college team that could have ever competed with a professional team.
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It would be interesting to watch one time though.Comment -
If NFL linemen are so much better why do all the linemen drafted in the first rd start as rookies?Originally posted by WileOut
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How many rookie linemen are starting in the NFL this season, dagger. And how many of those came from USC?Comment -
Daggerkobe is dumber than a bucket of horse shit. I dont give three damns and four fuks if USC has 32 1st rd draft picks on their team. As Monkey said, Oak or any other team is comprised of the best of the best, even if Oak is the worst of the best, which is surely about 8-10 TDs better than little teeny boys who are underdeveloped for the most part and lack complete football intuition. Another poster said it the best, that the O and D lines would maul USC to SHREDS. There would be 1985 Chi Bears-type pressure on QB each play. The O line would make holes as big as the parting of the Red Sea. The USC players dont possess the same stamina/durability needed to handle camp and 16 games. Their bodies, for the most part, arent up to the task yet. So I postulate if Oak played USC today the score would be:
Oak 77
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Also while there are still some duds in NFL that havent yet been weeded out (i.e. coaches still giving young guy's chances to pan out), the NFL is comprised of guys who made the cut, not just merely drafted high. So Oak would beat the living tar out of them.Comment -
Look at it this way.....If NE was beating teams BAD last yr what do you think they would do to USC? I say 125-0 and Brady would have 10 TDs by HTComment -
Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
4 Trojans were drafted in the First round and ALL of them start for their teams. 3 are linemen.Comment -
army stick to what u know best (fantasies about ur mom and other sick and twisted shit) because u are a clueless twat when it comes to football.
You don't care about first rounders? Even though they are the superstars and the reason people watch in the first place?
If the talent in the NFL is so good why is there such a huge disparity between teams????? Cowboys, Colts and Giants would CRUSH the Raiders in every game!!!!!!
That alone should tell a reasonably intelligent person how watered down talent in the league is. This is why so many rookies start immediately especially the linemen.
Well anyway I am sure I am boring u with logic and common sense. Go back to posting sick topics about raping moms and animals since ur so good at those.Comment -
Youre just as moronic as me. Go ahead and care abnout how first-round talent is all what its crapped up to be. Cade McNown, Akili Smith, Dan McGwire, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Alex Smith, Rick Mirer, etc. etc. etc. All of these top-flight picks were just fukkinng awesome bc they were drafted near the top of first round, yes? Guess that makes wankers like Tom Brady or Terrel Davis not worth much on your eyes.
The talent difference consists of many variables (no continuity, injuries, bad talent assessment, bad gameplanning, bad coaching, et al) but that doesnt negate the fact that the worst NFL team today would trounce the best collegiate program. And it isnt even close man.
And I know the league is so diluted. From the 5500 or so collegiate juniors and seniors (Div 1 only) available for the draft only 224 get picked. A whopping 4%. Real diluted
Jigga I have forgotten more about football than youll ever know. You make ZERO sense whatsoever. Keep on believing that 1st rd draft picks on paper can contend with an NFL team. If you really think that youre a bigger fool than I am.Comment -
Yeah let's eliminate the First round and see how many stars are born.
Fact of the matter is over 90% of the superstars in the league were 1st rd draft picks. Sure there are some late round gems but they are few and far between.
Who cares how many play college ball? Majority of them play in weaker conferences and have no future in the NFL.
Unlike those colleges USC ranks #1 in recruiting almost every year. And they are not bound by draft restrictions, salary or any other restrictions an NFL team like the Raiders face. So basically they can sign all the best players in America!!!! And they often do as many of them are good enough to play in the NFL.
USC has more talent than the Raiders, that's a fact. I bet u couldn't even name 3 Raiders without even looking it up.
There's no debate that the Cowboys and the handful of great teams can beat the Trojans. But we're talking about the Raiders. The worst team since 2002. Go look up there roster and try and tell me again how they are better talent than the All-Americans of USC.
You've forgotten more about raping moms and small mammals, yes that's very true.
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So there are three USC linemen drafted last year that start out of approximately 280 starting positions in the league? Is 1% a big number? Ever think that the reason linemen have a chance to start sooner than others is because of the greater number of positions available to them to play?Originally posted by daggerkobeComment -
I didn't say there were 3 Trojan linemen starting in the entire league (there are many more). I said there were 3 drafted in the first round and they all start as rookies.
Other linemen from other schools also are starters as rookies.
Kinds puts that "NFL linemen need years of seasoning to start" myth to rest.Comment -
The point is even if all 32 first round picks were on linemen and every one of them started, that would account for 11% of the total of starting linemen in the league. That means if every team drafted a linemen and every one of them started, they would need to play for 9 years, starting each and every game before they would be replaced by the next cycle of first round linemen.Comment -
And the percentage of superstars in the league that were drafted in the first round isn't even close to 90%. That's the percentage of first rounders that are busts. Here are a few examples of non-first round superstars:
Tom Brady (6th rd.)
Tony Romo (Undrafted)
Brett Favre (2nd rd.)
Terrell Owens (3rd rd.)
Chad Johnson (2nd rd.)
Steve Smith (3rd rd.)
Antonio Gates (Undrafted)
Clinton Portis (2nd rd.)
Brian Westbrook (3rd rd.)
Jason Taylor (3rd rd.)Comment -
hes a retard Monkey let the wanker believe that shite.Comment -
But that's not the case.
You have to factor in needs, injuries, retirements, trades, releasings, deminishment of talent. Too many variables.
The only constant variable is that majority of the linemen drafted in the first round become starters as rookies.Comment -
And you still fail to comprehend that those linemen drafted in the first round account for approximately 2% of the starting linemen in the league! How do you not grasp this simple concept?Comment -
Peyton
Eli
Jamal Lewis
Plaxico Burress
Brian Urlacher
Reggie Wayne
Pacman Jones
Julius Peppers
Roy Williams
Albert Haynesworth
Ed Reed
Carson Palmer
Terrell Suggs
Troy Palamalu
Willis McGahee
Dallas Clark
Larry Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Philip Rivers
Kellen Winslow
Roy Williams
Ben Roethlisberger
Ronnie Brown
Braylen Edwards
Shawne Merriman
Aaron Rodgers
Mario Williams
Reggie Bush
Vince Young
AJ Hawk
Jay Cutler
Joe Thomas
A Peterson
Marshawn Lynch
I wonder what round these stars were drafted in. Clue: 1Comment -
You're arguing a failed point. The point is nearly 100% of the lineman drafted in the first round start their rookie seasons.Originally posted by MonkeyF0ckerComment -
not to mention FOUR guys that are good enough to start immediately as rookies come from the SAME school!
What does that say about the talent level of that team?Comment -
I named 10 off the top of my head and you give a list of 34, some of which are marginally stars in the league. So does 34% = 90% these days?Originally posted by daggerkobeComment -
Not that much because THEY ACCOUNT FOR ROUGHLY 2% OF THE PLAYERS STARTING IN THE NFL AT THEIR POSITIONS!!!!!!Originally posted by daggerkobe
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Oh u want more? I have more just giving my thumbs a rest. Typing on iPhone is like torture.Comment -
The Raiders would be able to name the score against USC. These are grown men that play football for a living and have been doing so for years and years playing against kids fresh out of high school. The only way the Raiders wouldn't score 70 is if they quit playing in the 4th quarter and USC did some type of ball control where they took the play clock down to zero every play. Discussions like this always amuse me.Comment -
You'll need 90 of them just from a list off of the top of my head. And some of those don't even qualify. You said superstars, not starters. Aaron Rodgers, a guy who has started a grand total of 1 NFL game, is an NFL superstar?
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Are u kiddin Radiders -38.5 and I may be short.Comment -
Dude it's irrelevent.Originally posted by MonkeyF0ckerNot that much because THEY ACCOUNT FOR ROUGHLY 2% OF THE PLAYERS STARTING IN THE NFL AT THEIR POSITIONS!!!!!!
The point others were making was that EVERY NFL lineman was superior in skill, strengh and experience that they'd run all over college linemen. Yet every season over a dozen of these no talent college bums with 0 NFL experience are taking over their jobs!!!!!! And doing far better at it.
To disprove their theory all I had to do was provide 1 wet behind the college player replacing an irreplaceable NFL lineman.
Your argument is a non-sequitur. Fine they are .000001% what is your point?????Comment -
Which ones aren't superstars?
Romo and Portis are not superstars if u want to get technical.Comment -
So you don't think 2% of the total number of starting linemen get injured or retire in a year? That's funny. What planet are you on? USC couldn't even beat a college all-star team from THIS year, let alone a compilation of all-stars from multiple years with greater experience (that's what any NFL team consists of if you don't comprehend that).Comment -
Umm. I believe I mentioned Aaron Rodgers has started a total of 1 NFL game. How is Tony Romo not a superstar? But Aaron Rodgers, Vince Young, Philip Rivers, and Eli Manning are? You're kidding, right?Originally posted by daggerkobeComment
