OT: And the case for atheism gets stronger every day...

[RageWizard]

Whether there is a God or not is not the question. Noone can answer that. Don't debate that point with me please. Just look at how religion causes more harm than good.

- Young kids getting married because they are horny as hell, and then divorce a couple years later because they didnt shack up first to see if they were compatible.
- Anti-gambling legislation
- Anti-gambling legislation
- Anti-gambling legislation

You left out a bunch of stuff like:

If we let fags marry it will be like the plague and soon everyone will be gay.

Millions of people killed around the world since the begining of the imaginary friends industry got started just because they weren't of the same belief as some of the tyrants.

Church goers giving me the going to hell stare on sunday just because I take a 40 oz with me to get the paper at he gas station in the morning.

Religous "witness" Freaks showing up at the house and walking around back just as I'm getting ready to nut in the hot tub with the old lady. Then hanging out after I tell them to eff off just because they want a donation to their cause.

The effing nuns that whacked the hell out of me when I was in grade school for 9 years because they couldn't control my thoughts.

How about all the priests that have alter boy boyfriends who aren't even 13 years of age.

A catholic chruch that thinks that birth control for Affricans to help stop the spread of aids is wrong.

The people who are affraid to have an abortion because every life is precious, then dump the kid in the dumpster at Wendy's like a half eaten frosty.

[swede96]

Hell is living without the presence of God. Right now, whatever your belief system, God is all around you. In hell, He won't be. And if the word of God is to believed, you'll notice the difference.

Put your faith in men and you will eventually ALWAYS be let down.

Put your faith in God and you will ultimately never be.

Oh really? So people who believe in God never feel abandoned? They never feel, in times of tragedy, that he has let them down?

Put your faith in science and ... well, you have a faction yelling about global warming, another yelling about global cooling and no consensus anywhere because (here's the tricky part) they are all mere mortals, flawed in every way just like everyone around them ...

Flawed mortals wrote the bible. How do you know which parts are the word of God and which parts were added by mortals...or, for that matter, omitted?

And Swede, not for nothing, but everyone claims to have the best man/woman on the planet when they are dating them and then after the break-up they find another best man/woman on the planet ... and the beat goes on ...

Obviously, your belief in God and the fact that you seem to think you'll be going to heaven hasn't stopped you from being bitter and nasty. Tell me, if everything we do here on earth is leading up to an afterlife and you'll be rewarded just for accepting God. Why live at all? Why not go on a murder spree? Why not be a complete and utter dick to everyone around you? As long as you believe, you're still going to heaven, right? I mean, child rapists go into jail and "find Jesus"....they deserve a spot in heaven over me? If that is truly the case....if that is how God decides who burns in hell and who lives on in Heaven, then **** him. He doesn't deserve my praise and worship.

[swede96]

You left out a bunch of stuff like:

If we let fags marry it will be like the plague and soon everyone will be gay.

Millions of people killed around the world since the begining of the imaginary friends industry got started just because they weren't of the same belief as some of the tyrants.

Church goers giving me the going to hell stare on sunday just because I take a 40 oz with me to get the paper at he gas station in the morning.

Religous "witness" Freaks showing up at the house and walking around back just as I'm getting ready to nut in the hot tub with the old lady. Then hanging out after I tell them to eff off just because they want a donation to their cause.

The effing nuns that whacked the hell out of me when I was in grade school for 9 years because they couldn't control my thoughts.

How about all the priests that have alter boy boyfriends who aren't even 13 years of age.

A catholic chruch that thinks that birth control for Affricans to help stop the spread of aids is wrong.

The people who are affraid to have an abortion because every life is precious, then dump the kid in the dumpster at Wendy's like a half eaten frosty.

Don't forget when they used to sell "indulgences" so that all the rich folk could pay their way into heaven.

Oh, and the churches that PROMOTE violence against gays.

But every life is precious...as long as you're not gay and you believe in Jesus.

How about when they send around a collection plate and all of a sudden the Priests office has brand new carpet!

[mathdotcom]

I knew a homo who wasn't very bright but he said one smart thing:

"I don't get why the Christians hate us queers so much... their God made me the way I am"

[moneyline]

Because God has given us each a life to do good things with, if we so choose. That's why we live. Not because of matter or because two rocks banged each other in space. Now, that would be random. I love it how people criticize God and His message by criticizing the flaws of other people. The message is perfect. People are not. Pretty simple, really.

Swede, yes, people who believe in God can feel let down and abandoned, but we know we are not. Once you've accepted the Lord, He never leaves you and despite your feelings, the story of Footprints explains it much better than I ever could. And with eternal salvation waiting after this blink-of-an-eye life ends, even the worst of times here on earth are tolerable.

One more thing. You find my comment about the best man/woman in the world to be bitter and nasty? Actually, it is realistic. You've dated people before this perfect guy who you thought were perfect. Odds say (we are on a gambling website, after all) you will date several more of the best men in the world after you break up with this one (or he breaks up with you) ... just a statistical fact for most. Don't get upset about it -- nothing personal.

(the beauty of free will is allowing people like you to say God doesn't deserve your worship if He doesn't do things the way you think they should be done -- that is a true tribute to His omniscient greatness)

[mathdotcom]

"Because God has given us each a life to do good things with, if we so choose. That's why we live. Not because of matter or because two rocks banged each other in space. Now, that would be random."

Well, it may be unlikely, but given that the Universe has existed for more than 5000 years (you religious morons...), it was bound to happen. Just because something's random it can't happen?

[DrunkenLullaby]

Put your faith in science and ... well, you have a faction yelling about global warming, another yelling about global cooling and no consensus anywhere because (here's the tricky part) they are all mere mortals, flawed in every way just like everyone around them ...

I just thought I'd interject into the pissing match I guess I started to say HELL NO to the above caption.

You show me a true scientist that does not believe in global warming and I guarantee you I can find the money trail from that "scientist"s bank account to Big Oil. True scientists are unanimous on this phenomenon. The other "scientists" appear on Fox "News" a lot.

OK, now go on fighting amongst yourselves.

[mathdotcom]

Even if global warming is man made, its less costly to deal with its effects than preventing it altogether. Been snowing here for the past phuckin' week. Bring it on baby.

[Stumpage]

I'm thinking Carl Everett is behind this thread.....Or at the very least hiding in it somewhere.....

[swede96]

Because God has given us each a life to do good things with, if we so choose. That's why we live. Not because of matter or because two rocks banged each other in space. Now, that would be random. I love it how people criticize God and His message by criticizing the flaws of other people. The message is perfect. People are not. Pretty simple, really.

But I thought you didn't have to do good things to go to heaven. Huh...so God gives us this life to do good things, but it's okay to snub Him and not do good things as long as you believe in him? But it's not okay for us to chose to question the world and creation and search for answers within ourselves? Even if we live good lives? Most of my values and morals correspond pretty well with those presented in the bible, I just happened to find them within myself instead of in there.

Swede, yes, people who believe in God can feel let down and abandoned, but we know we are not. Once you've accepted the Lord, He never leaves you and despite your feelings, the story of Footprints explains it much better than I ever could. And with eternal salvation waiting after this blink-of-an-eye life ends, even the worst of times here on earth are tolerable.

I never bought that poem. Sorry, if God is going to carry you while you're down...why bring you down at all?

One more thing. You find my comment about the best man/woman in the world to be bitter and nasty? Actually, it is realistic. You've dated people before this perfect guy who you thought were perfect. Odds say (we are on a gambling website, after all) you will date several more of the best men in the world after you break up with this one (or he breaks up with you) ... just a statistical fact for most. Don't get upset about it -- nothing personal

Ha! From the time you started that thread about me, you made everything personal. If God is my creator, he made my eye like that. How dare you question His creation? He doesn't make mistakes, right?

For your information, no, I have never dated anyone that I considered perfect until now. Of course, by "perfect", I mean "perfect for me". You have all this faith in God, but none in His children. How very sad for you. Funny how everything is God and faith when it suits you, but you switch right to statistics when you need to. What are the statistics on Jesus sightings? How about the statistics on people who believe vs. people who don't belive commiting crimes, getting cancer, going to heaven, etc.?

(the beauty of free will is allowing people like you to say God doesn't deserve your worship if He doesn't do things the way you think they should be done -- that is a true tribute to His omniscient greatness)

Right...so He gave me this free will...so how can He punish me for it? Sorry, I have no faith in dictators, and that's exactly what you're painting Him as.

[moneyline]

How can He punish you for using your free will? Simple. He is not punishing you. He is giving you a choice. And with every choice comes consequences. I'm sorry if you'd like to believe that, no matter what choice you make, you'll be right. It doesn't work that way, Swede ... not on this earth and certainly not in the Bible ...

Your boyfriend is perfect for you. And if things don't work out, you will eventually find another man who is perfect for you. As so many before you have done.

As for Footprints, God doesn't bring you down. The world was perfect before original sin. God gave us free will. We decided to use it to sin from the very beginning. It is man's sin that brings us down. God, through His Son Jesus, lifts us back up again if we accept Him into our heart.

Oh, and you keep getting confused on one point over and over again. I do not have to do good things to earn heaven, but I do good things because I love God and know that is what He would want me to do. It is not an earning system, but a result of believing in Him.

Only an egoist at the highest level believes they can earn salvation. Or earn anything on their own, for that matter. Remember, I told you all people will eventuallty let you down. That includes you letting yourself down because of your human weakness.

God is above all that. He understands that. And if you accept Him, He has given you a way to achieve salvation despite yourself.

[Arnold]

Hell is living without the presence of God. Right now, whatever your belief system, God is all around you. In hell, He won't be. And if the word of God is to believed, you'll notice the difference.

Hell is when you're slowly dying from a desease. Hell is when you're addicted to drugs and ruin your life. Hell is when you have no peace at home. And so on. You notice the difference when you stay pure and good.

Put your faith in men and you will eventually ALWAYS be let down.

Completely false. You are very narrow-minded, just like all the Christians I've met.

Put your faith in God and you will ultimately never be.

I always was. Again, your statements are blind and false.

Put your faith in science and ... well, you have a faction yelling about global warming, another yelling about global cooling and no consensus anywhere because (here's the tricky part) they are all mere mortals, flawed in every way just like everyone around them ...

Aha, like Christians ever have a single opinion regarding their own faith.

How can He punish you for using your free will? Simple. He is not punishing you. He is giving you a choice.

What choice? Choose God or go to hell? Is it even a choice?

Oh, and you keep getting confused on one point over and over again. I do not have to do good things to earn heaven, but I do good things because I love God and know that is what He would want me to do. It is not an earning system, but a result of believing in Him.

I'd like to see how much love you'll have left for your God once you find out that there is no heaven or hell, and that it's all just a big prank on foolish Christians like you. You do good things, because without them your faith isn't worth anything even in the biblical context. Don't lie, please. Whichever way you twist the real meaning of things, doesn't in effect change reality of what you are and what you do. Christians are hypocrites and you're just another example of that.

[RageWizard]

So please somebody from the christian faith correct me if I'm wrong here but can't I go through life being a complete asshole and even kill people will eating their flesh and sodomize their kids repeatedly while watching Springer, then right before I go down for the dirt nap repent and be forgiven for all the shit that I did while alive? That would qualify me for the elevator to heaven right?

[mathdotcom]

Yeah but you have to be sincere or something, wiz.

[moneyline]

Arnold, all you can see is the 60-100 years you have on this earth. Your shortsightedness is staggering. I guess eternity is a word that you are not able to comprehend just yet ...

But past that, belief in God and His word makes life on this earth -- right here, right now -- ever so much better. My father just died of a terrible disease -- cancer -- and his belief in God made every day of that a much better day that it would have been without Him.

True helplessness -- the type you will one day experience, so it seems -- is suffering through something like that and believing there is nothing more than the here and now. That is your fantasyland -- seems more like a nightmare.

Wizard, you seem to want to believe you'd earn heaven. God's love is so great that He allows people like Arnold and Swede to do everything from ignoring Him to disparaging Him their entire lives, but if they decide to believe in Him before their deaths, He will give them the same place in heaven as someone who has accepted Him from the very beginning.

He is, indeed, a loving God ...

[fingas]

Please, can someone point me out a religion that:

-accepts gambling and
-gives me 40 virgins without commit suicide?

Thanks

[RageWizard]

Arnold, all you can see is the 60-100 years you have on this earth. Your shortsightedness is staggering. I guess eternity is a word that you are not able to comprehend just yet ...

But past that, belief in God and His word makes life on this earth -- right here, right now -- ever so much better. My father just died of a terrible disease -- cancer -- and his belief in God made every day of that a much better day that it would have been without Him.

True helplessness -- the type you will one day experience, so it seems -- is suffering through something like that and believing there is nothing more than the here and now. That is your fantasyland -- seems more like a nightmare.

Wizard, you seem to want to believe you'd earn heaven. God's love is so great that He allows people like Arnold and Swede to do everything from ignoring Him to disparaging Him their entire lives, but if they decide to believe in Him before their deaths, He will give them the same place in heaven as someone who has accepted Him from the very beginning.

He is, indeed, a loving God ...

Well then it seems to me to be best to hedge my bets. What happens if I'm all up in GOD's ass while I'm alive and it turns out that the dirt nap is it? Sucks right, but if I'm a jerk and a hellraiser my entire life then switch back at the last minute, then I'm in with almost no effort on my part. I get this idea from the guys on death row. Jesus seems to hang out there alot and when it comes time to throw the switch, they say don't kill the bastard because he found Jesus and his old man. I say toast 'em and let them be reunited.

[Stumpage]

So, for those following along at home, it seems that the all-powerful and forgiving Omnipotent One gives us free will as a sign of his love.....Yet if somebody exercises their free will and decides not to believe in the All Knowing, the aforementioned Omnipotent One casts them down into the blazing catacombs of the Dark Prince's lair for all eternity.....

Why not just love us little ol' humans regardless and unconditionally? Why the stipulation?...Maybe it's been covered all ready, but it's like trying to read through War and Peace here.....

[Arnold]

Arnold, all you can see is the 60-100 years you have on this earth. Your shortsightedness is staggering. I guess eternity is a word that you are not able to comprehend just yet ...

And you see beyond 60-100 years?

But past that, belief in God and His word makes life on this earth -- right here, right now -- ever so much better.

It doesn't. Everyone has to go through the same shit in life.

My father just died of a terrible disease -- cancer -- and his belief in God made every day of that a much better day that it would have been without Him.

There you go. Your father's faith didn't heal his cancer. Such a loving God you got there.

True helplessness -- the type you will one day experience, so it seems -- is suffering through something like that and believing there is nothing more than the here and now. That is your fantasyland -- seems more like a nightmare.

Argh, I don't know how many times I told you that I don't believe in anything. Ask God to make you a better listener.

Wizard, you seem to want to believe you'd earn heaven. God's love is so great that He allows people like Arnold and Swede to do everything from ignoring Him to disparaging Him their entire lives, but if they decide to believe in Him before their deaths, He will give them the same place in heaven as someone who has accepted Him from the very beginning.

Why does he need someone's faith if "He is, indeed, a loving God..."?

[Arnold]

So, for those following along at home, it seems that the all-powerful and forgiving Omnipotent One gives us free will as a sign of his love.....Yet if somebody exercises their free will and decides not to believe in the All Knowing, the aforementioned Omnipotent One casts them down into the blazing catacombs of the Dark Prince's lair for all eternity.....

Because that's the catch of this "free will" thing

[moneyline]

Free will gives you the chance to do right or wrong. It does not make every decision you make right. Seems pretty elementary, really.

Arnold, more shortsightedness. None of us leave this earth alive, in the bodily sense. My father's cancer was not healed, but God made his suffering more bearable for him every day and, more importantly, allowed him to know his soul would be with the Lord soon. It is a peace you will never know, Arnold, unless, of course, you decide to one day believe in something.

I said you believe in the here and now. You reply by saying you believe in nothing. So you don't even believe in today? Wow. Do you believe the ground is solid beneath your feet, or is that too much of a committment for you to make at this time?

As for th 60-100 years, yes, I do. God's word has explained what happens after our life here. Faith. Get some. It is out there if you want it. If you don't, continue to muddle along and, ultimately, come to the realization you were wrong too late to do anything about it!

Oh, and Arnold, He doesn't need your faith. He wants your faith. You are nothing, but yet the Lord values you like you are everything. Because He loves you even if you remain blind. But just because He loves you doesn't mean there are not consequences to your choices, or choices not to choose.

(just like your mom loves you, but if you choose to disobey her as a child, there will be consequences to those actions -- you are God's child, Arnold ... like it or not)

[Stumpage]

(just like your mom loves you, but if you choose to disobey her as a child, there will be consequences to those actions -- you are God's child, Arnold ... like it or not)

Interesting analogy.....The difference being of course that while a mother will still love her child (Usually), your God gives up entirely and abandons his child for all eternity.....

I call bullshit. A true loving and forgiving God would love his creation, his child, regardless, just as a parent will love their child no matter how they turn out. A child could eventually grow to hate their parent, and voice it repeatedly, distancing themselves to the point that they want nothing to do with them again. But in many cases, most in fact, the parent will still love their child. They won't abandon him or her.

Yet your God puts a clause in the relationship? I love you, and all you have to do is believe in me, or else? Christ, talk about making sure you read the fine print. Seems pretty ridiculous, really.....

[moneyline]

Good try, Stumpage, but you're really mixing things up. God never abandons His child. His child, after an entire lifetime of opportunity to do the opposite, abandons God (that is, if you can call never accepting and many time disparaging God 'abandoning Him)

God continues to love that person anyway. Nowhere has it ever been said He stops loving them. But if they continue to make the choice to be apart from Him, upon death, He grants them their wish.

Doesn't sound fair to you? In what way?

(you seem to want God to say "Don't ever believe in me and I'll make sure we are together when you die -- oh, and by the way, I sent my Son down to earth to be tortured and killed for the fun of it)

[Arnold]

Free will gives you the chance to do right or wrong. It does not make every decision you make right. Seems pretty elementary, really.

I put a gun to your head and ask you for your wallet. Do I really leave you a choice here?

Arnold, more shortsightedness. None of us leave this earth alive, in the bodily sense. My father's cancer was not healed, but God made his suffering more bearable for him every day and, more importantly, allowed him to know his soul would be with the Lord soon. It is a peace you will never know, Arnold, unless, of course, you decide to one day believe in something.

Then you probably will gladly send cancer onto your children and let them die suffering, knowing, that their daddy loves them very much

I said you believe in the here and now. You reply by saying you believe in nothing. So you don't even believe in today? Wow. Do you believe the ground is solid beneath your feet, or is that too much of a committment for you to make at this time?

I'm alive and live on this earth here and now. That's not a belief in itself, it's just how things are - it's a reality. That's the difference between you and me, that you don't understand.

As for th 60-100 years, yes, I do. God's word has explained what happens after our life here.

Santa has explained that after this life he will come with presents to the good boys and girls, and leave the naughty ones without any.

Faith. Get some.

Believe in Santa already! Common, it's cool, everybody's doing it!

Oh, and Arnold, He doesn't need your faith. He wants your faith. You are nothing, but yet the Lord values you like you are everything. Because He loves you even if you remain blind. But just because He loves you doesn't mean there are not consequences to your choices, or choices not to choose.

So why does God want my faith if he's a loving God? Love doesn't demand a thing. Read the Bible at least.

(just like your mom loves you, but if you choose to disobey her as a child, there will be consequences to those actions -- you are God's child, Arnold ... like it or not)

You couldn't be more off. My mom at most can give me some whipping (back in the day). My mom would never prepare me for dinner on a BBQ. If she would, she would probably be put in a mental hospital. Is your God mental? Or is it you, Christians, that imagine your God in this sick way?

[Stumpage]

Look moneyline, I realize it is completely pointless to attempt to discuss this. I was raised in a deeply Catholic environment, taught for close to 20 years in the Catholic system (For the better pay, not the belief system) and have a very good friend who is a Catholic priest (Not the little-boy raping kind).

There is much to the system that I have grown to despise. But I certainly don't fault others around me who still deeply believe. I am truly sorry for your loss, and your belief system must have been a tremendous shoulder to lean on during your father's battle. I'm sure it has also made you a better person in terms of helping others, as you alluded to earlier in this thread.

But why the need to belittle and criticize others who don't share your beliefs? It's akin to "Look out for the boogeyman in the closet". If God lets them exercise free will without critical analysis, then who are you judge them? Just let it go.....

[Thor4140]

Because God has given us each a life to do good things with, if we so choose. That's why we live. Not because of matter or because two rocks banged each other in space. Now, that would be random. I love it how people criticize God and His message by criticizing the flaws of other people. The message is perfect. People are not. Pretty simple, really.

Swede, yes, people who believe in God can feel let down and abandoned, but we know we are not. Once you've accepted the Lord, He never leaves you and despite your feelings, the story of Footprints explains it much better than I ever could. And with eternal salvation waiting after this blink-of-an-eye life ends, even the worst of times here on earth are tolerable.

One more thing. You find my comment about the best man/woman in the world to be bitter and nasty? Actually, it is realistic. You've dated people before this perfect guy who you thought were perfect. Odds say (we are on a gambling website, after all) you will date several more of the best men in the world after you break up with this one (or he breaks up with you) ... just a statistical fact for most. Don't get upset about it -- nothing personal.

(the beauty of free will is allowing people like you to say God doesn't deserve your worship if He doesn't do things the way you think they should be done -- that is a true tribute to His omniscient greatness)

this pretty well sums it up for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

[Arnold]

Good try, Stumpage, but you're really mixing things up. God never abandons His child. His child, after an entire lifetime of opportunity to do the opposite, abandons God (that is, if you can call never accepting and many time disparaging God 'abandoning Him)

Oh, so God is in hell too, only there they call him the devil

God continues to love that person anyway. Nowhere has it ever been said He stops loving them. But if they continue to make the choice to be apart from Him, upon death, He grants them their wish.

No one made a wish to be apart from God. If people knew there was a God, then you can say that. But we don't know that. Or did you make your wish to be apart from Santa?

(you seem to want God to say "Don't ever believe in me and I'll make sure we are together when you die -- oh, and by the way, I sent my Son down to earth to be tortured and killed for the fun of it)

No, faith shouldn't be the deciding factor here. And for sending his son down to earth is God's own problem.

[moneyline]

Your dinner on a BBQ example is so misguided, Arnold. Hell is the absence of God. Nothing more, nothing less. And if you kept ignoring your mother and disparaging her, yep, she might just want to be absent from you as well. And it would have been your choices from your free will that ultimately caused that to happen.

It doesn't matter who in my family gets cancer or suffers. We are going to heaven and any momentary suffering here is nothing compared to the joy of being with God for eternity. For you, however, it is all about the suffering on earth -- you have nothing more to look forward to, save your empty existence here.

You have quite the nerve, though. You like to refer to believing in God as to believing in Santa, but if you are proven wrong upon death, you want God to embrace you with open arms -- otherwise, He'd be proving He's not all-loving.

(that's logic -- perhaps twisted logic)

Oh, and Stumpage, I am judging nobody. God is the only one who will do this. What I am doing is debating His existence with those who put Him on the same plane as Santa. If they have the right to question His existence, certainly I have the right to trumpet it, no?

[Stumpage]

Oh, and Stumpage, I am judging nobody. God is the only one who will do this. What I am doing is debating His existence with those who put Him on the same plane as Santa. If they have the right to question His existence, certainly I have the right to trumpet it, no?

You do indeed, Moneyline...Anyway, if believing in God makes your life more enjoyable and satisfying and whatever other descriptive word best fits, then more power to you. This has been interesting, but it's back to gambling for myself.....Cheers

[moneyline]

Good luck to you as well -- Yankees -1 1/2 tonight ...

[Arnold]

Your dinner on a BBQ example is so misguided, Arnold. Hell is the absence of God. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hell is the fire lake described in Revelation. It's all in the Bible. But even sitting in a room all by yourself for an eternity is too harsh anyway.

And if you kept ignoring your mother and disparaging her, yep, she might just want to be absent from you as well. And it would have been your choices from your free will that ultimately caused that to happen.

What a big BS!!!!! My mother would never give up on me. Dude, don't be a retard by saying that when you don't even know my mother or how most mothers feel about their children.

It doesn't matter who in my family gets cancer or suffers.

Aha, so cancer is a joke. OK.

We are going to heaven and any momentary suffering here is nothing compared to the joy of being with God for eternity. For you, however, it is all about the suffering on earth -- you have nothing more to look forward to, save your empty existence here.

Why don't you kill yourself if you're going to heaven? Might as well put some weight into your words.

You have quite the nerve, though. You like to refer to believing in God as to believing in Santa

So you wish to be apart from Santa? Answer this.

but if you are proven wrong upon death, you want God to embrace you with open arms -- otherwise, He'd be proving He's not all-loving.

I won't be proven wrong. I didn't make any statements so that they can be proven wrong. Learn to listen for once. Yes, God will embrace me with open hands, regardless of my belief/disbelief/neutral position.

Oh, and Stumpage, I am judging nobody. God is the only one who will do this. What I am doing is debating His existence with those who put Him on the same plane as Santa. If they have the right to question His existence, certainly I have the right to trumpet it, no?

There is no proof of God's existence, same as there is no proof of Santa's existence. Your God is Santa. Santa is God. It's all blind faith, end of story.

[moneyline]

You think that refusing to make a choice absolves you from any consequences. In school, when you took an exam, did you just refuse to answer any ?'s and then, when the teacher gave you a 0, explain that none of your answers could be wrong because you didn't actually answer any of them?

Unique argument. I've made it 38 years without hearing that one!

Oh, and no reason to kill myself. I am living my life here on earth for God and respecting the gift he gave me -- also, knowing, of course, I'm going to be in heaven for eternity. A win-win if you will.

I like the way you broke up one thought about cancer in your quotes above. You really know someone is reaching in a debate when they do that. Thought you were better than that, Arnold ...

[Arnold]

You think that refusing to make a choice absolves you from any consequences.

For the last time, I did not refuse to make a choice

I cannot make a choice. I'm disabled, if that's how you want me to put it. Would you kill a man for not being able to walk if he lost his both legs?

Unique argument. I've made it 38 years without hearing that one!

I'm surprised. Maybe you should get out of the church more often.

[moneyline]

70 countries visited and counting ... I've seen more of the world than you ever will, my friend ... not boasting -- just a simple statistical fact.

https://www.backpackernation.com

You can make a choice. People do it every day. To accept God or not to accept God. You've chosen to do neither. Slice it up any way you want -- you've made a choice not to choose.

(still haven't told me -- did your teacher take back the 0 when you explained to her you didn't choose not to answer any ?'s on the test?)

[Arnold]

70 countries visited and counting ... I've seen more of the world than you ever will, my friend ... not boasting -- just a simple statistical fact.

Good for you. There was nothing unique in my argument. I guess your ears are virgin to the word "agnostic".

You can make a choice. People do it every day.

How much is 104895835.345*4958495.254845/4958495.99234/4989.88843249*902349435.0293545454254524 5469969/8485845*239924934/23949234932949324^-99.

Give me an aswer right now without using a calculator or pen and paper.

To accept God or not to accept God. You've chosen to do neither. Slice it up any way you want -- you've made a choice not to choose.

Yeah, and a legless man made a choice not to walk. Solid logic!

(still haven't told me

You haven't told me a lot of things. Why should I answer your questions? Answer mine if you're a fair man. If not, then don't expect me to give you answers (which are too obvious and self-explanatory anyway).