OT: And the case for atheism gets stronger every day...

[swede96]

Thanks for the compliment

You're very welcome. I happen to agree 100% with what you've posted here.

[moneyline]

Swede, it's nice that you agree with Arnold, but that will be of no help to him upon passing. Now, if either of you chose to agree with God and Jesus, and their word, that would be a bit more valuable in the long run. And, actually, it'd be better for both of you in the short run as well.

Arnold stated he believes God is imaginary and those who believe in Him are part of an imaginary world. Swede said she agrees with everything Armold has said. I guess to both of them this life is the one and only reality -- I know this reality hasn't been working too well for Swede. Arnold, he'll have to say for himself.

[swede96]

Swede, it's nice that you agree with Arnold, but that will be of no help to him upon passing. Now, if either of you chose to agree with God and Jesus, and their word, that would be a bit more valuable in the long run. And, actually, it'd be better for both of you in the short run as well.

Oh, but if the bible actually is the word of God, then I do agree with him for the most part. I simply do not agree with many of his avid followers.

Arnold stated he believes God is imaginary and those who believe in Him are part of an imaginary world. Swede said she agrees with everything Armold has said. I guess to both of them this life is the one and only reality -- I know this reality hasn't been working too well for Swede. Arnold, he'll have to say for himself.

Everything has been working out just peachy for me. I have a pretty good life. Now, are you going to keep dodging my question, or try for a second to grow some balls and answer me?

I shall ask again: What would you think God would say about your hateful, mean-spirited attitude?

[moneyline]

Everything has been working out just peachy for you? That's certainly not what you represent here on this site. And your life here is a blink of an eye. Good thing if you started thinking about the afterlife. Here before you know it -- no time for 2nd chances then.

[swede96]

As I suspected. You dodge the questions you don't want to answer and try to distract with scare tactics. I don't know where on this board I have ever stated that I have a crappy life. I've had my ups and downs. I've been through a lot of serious stuff, but I survived. And guess what...I did it by having faith in MYSELF and my FAMILY, not by praying to a deity that may or may not exist.

Just because you are baptized and present yourself here on earth as a good little Christian, that does not mean you're going to heaven, buddy. If there is a God, he can see past your pious shell right to your rotten core.

[Arnold]

Swede, it's nice that you agree with Arnold, but that will be of no help to him upon passing. Now, if either of you chose to agree with God and Jesus, and their word, that would be a bit more valuable in the long run. And, actually, it'd be better for both of you in the short run as well.

This is what I call blind faith. Agree with something that has nothing to do with the real world. I understand things like love your neighbour, bless your enemy, etc, but these things exist without the help of the Bible and God. I repeat another time: you don't have to be a Christian to be a good person. Did I say it clear enough for your understanding?

Arnold stated he believes God is imaginary and those who believe in Him are part of an imaginary world.

I didn't say that God himself is imaginary. Maybe he exists somewhere, and if he does, most likely he is far from what you imagine him to be. Each Christian builds his own "virtual image" of God in his mind, and worships this image. This is why Christianity is a man-made religion - there is no real connection to God.

Swede said she agrees with everything Armold has said. I guess to both of them this life is the one and only reality -- I know this reality hasn't been working too well for Swede. Arnold, he'll have to say for himself.

My life is great, I hope it lasts forever. I don't know what comes after this life. I thought we already went over this. I am here right now (in this life) and this is all I have to care about.

[swede96]

What Arnold said.

[Arnold]

Everything has been working out just peachy for you? That's certainly not what you represent here on this site. And your life here is a blink of an eye. Good thing if you started thinking about the afterlife. Here before you know it -- no time for 2nd chances then.

It seems that all you talk about is heaven and hell, the eternity, and what comes after death. That's a typical egocentric Christian, who all he cares about is his salvation. You're in it just for the good times, admit it. 99% of Christians are like that. You never asked us how we treat people, what good we do to others, whether or not we fed the hungry today, etc. This shows who you really are inside. Believing just so they don't send you to hell, is very low. And that's how the rest of your Christianity goes. You don't help someone because you care about that person. You help him because the Bible says so, and you need this to get to heaven. You're doing it for your own sake. Would you be a Christian if there was nothing after this life? I don't think so.

[guitarjosh]

This is what I call blind faith. Agree with something that has nothing to do with the real world. I understand things like love your neighbour, bless your enemy, etc, but these things exist without the help of the Bible and God. I repeat another time: you don't have to be a Christian to be a good person. Did I say it clear enough for your understanding?

Define good.

[moneyline]

Actually, the Christian faith and God's word make living in this world at present a much more enjoyable and enriching experience. Take away the after-life and I am still getting much more out of this one because of the Lord.

You said something very telling, Arnold. You hope this life lasts forever. Newsflash: it won't. And your short-term planning/views regarding what happens next don't jibe with your apparent intelligence. It's like saying "I'll keep eating chocolate because I like it" and not considering that it will, sooner rather than later, make you unhealthy and overweight.

You can choose not to accept the Lord. You might not fully feel the effects of your choice for the next 70-80 years, but you will feel them for the eternity afterwards. Not a great trade-off, Arnold, especially when you will come to the realization you could have been saved and instead chose the egotistical route of believing you could take care of everything yourself.

Arnold, you know very little of Christianity if you believe I need to do good things to go to heaven, as if there was a scoresheet. The Bible says you can't earn heaven, but can get there through accepting God's sacrifice for us, His Son Jesus. It is a gift. It cannot be earned. But it has to be accepted -- like any gift does!

Oh, and what Swede said.

[Kellen]

This is a gambling forum, what are devout christians doing here. I care more about who covers in the game tonight than what happens after death. Lets keep the religious BS to a minimum please. The only "word" Im living by is the "word" of WE EAT FISH, because that makes me money.

[moneyline]

A devout Christian is not who started this thread, Kellen. Perhaps you want to take issue with that person?

[Robyn]

With the constant mention, I think Kellen is WE EAT FISH.

And religion is one of the worst things man ever invented. Following closely behind would be speedos, cat sweaters and solar flashlights.

[moneyline]

But the Bible and God are two of the best things man has ever believed in and followed ...

(I do agree with Robyn about the speedos, however)

[Robyn]

moneyline, I would never argue with you on that point. We all have the wonderful gift of "free will" to believe in what we wish. The Bible and God (while I do not follow either) have been grossly misinterpreted over the years via man-made religion.

If there is truly only one God and each religion is merely praying to a different address, I can only imagine how tired He must be traveling all the time.

[moneyline]

The religions are so different it is highly unlikely (read: impossible) for each to be refering to the same God. Hinduism worhsips 300,000,000 gods and makes more up every week, sometimes from Bollywood films. Buddhism believes in no God, but Prince Buddha, who told his followers he was not a god and should not be treated as one.

The one true God was wonderful that He gave us free will and allowed us to make our own choices. Thinking that our choices will have no consequences, however, just seems to be remarkably unrealistic from those who pride themselves on logic and reason ...

[Robyn]

My husband (yes, Bread) and I both grew up in religious households, but have fallen from grace on our own accord. We constantly bring up the fact that if there is truly a God, we are going to pay dearly for some of the things we have done and still do even to this day. But it's just so fun being bad.

[Kellen]

With the constant mention, I think Kellen is WE EAT FISH.

And religion is one of the worst things man ever invented. Following closely behind would be speedos, cat sweaters and solar flashlights.

I couldnt possibly analyze games to his ability. Nor could I come up with the quick witted statements made by the fish. Such as, "Uncle cheeks speaks street and spanish." Plus Id get tired from using the shift key so much while typing.

[Robyn]

Whomever fishy is, he/she's one hell of an entertainer.

[Kellen]

I would be proud if I were him. He has entertained thousands.

[Panic]

It seems that all you talk about is heaven and hell, the eternity, and what comes after death. That's a typical egocentric Christian, who all he cares about is his salvation. You're in it just for the good times, admit it. 99% of Christians are like that. You never asked us how we treat people, what good we do to others, whether or not we fed the hungry today, etc. This shows who you really are inside. Believing just so they don't send you to hell, is very low. And that's how the rest of your Christianity goes. You don't help someone because you care about that person. You help him because the Bible says so, and you need this to get to heaven. You're doing it for your own sake. Would you be a Christian if there was nothing after this life? I don't think so.

Instead of criticizing people for making their beliefs known, how about you let us know your beliefs? All I've seen you do is attack people, but have no position yourself. But be happy, you got a "follower" in Swede with you. Lets hear it.

[Panic]

What a ****ing p.ussy. You take this long to answer? You must be googling something. I'm sure Swede is right behind you with it.

[Robyn]

Panic...you a lil crazy tonight?

[Panic]

Panic...you a lil crazy tonight?

Yes.

[Arnold]

Define good.

A person that leaves a positive mark on others.

Actually, the Christian faith and God's word make living in this world at present a much more enjoyable and enriching experience.

Maybe for you, because you're not fit for the real world. You need to create an imaginary one, where you feel good.

Take away the after-life and I am still getting much more out of this one because of the Lord.

The Lord has nothing to do with you. It's all in your mind.

You said something very telling, Arnold. You hope this life lasts forever. Newsflash: it won't.

Did I ever say it will? You, on the other hand, said it will (after death). Now think who made a more foolish statement.

You can choose not to accept the Lord. You might not fully feel the effects of your choice for the next 70-80 years, but you will feel them for the eternity afterwards. Not a great trade-off, Arnold, especially when you will come to the realization you could have been saved and instead chose the egotistical route of believing you could take care of everything yourself.

I told you, all you care about is salvation and escape from hell. You Christians can't live without talking the need of being saved. Obviously, without it there would be no Christianity, since that's what it is all about anyways.

Arnold, you know very little of Christianity if you believe I need to do good things to go to heaven, as if there was a scoresheet. The Bible says you can't earn heaven, but can get there through accepting God's sacrifice for us, His Son Jesus. It is a gift. It cannot be earned. But it has to be accepted -- like any gift does!

Yeah, because faith without deeds is a dead faith. You know that, I hope. Although, you're welcome to support your argument by sinning left and right.

This is a gambling forum, what are devout christians doing here. I care more about who covers in the game tonight than what happens after death. Lets keep the religious BS to a minimum please. The only "word" Im living by is the "word" of WE EAT FISH, because that makes me money.

This is Players Talk. Thanks for your input and go visit hundreds of other non-gambling and/or sensless threads, and educate them about what forum it is.

But the Bible and God are two of the best things man has ever believed in and followed ...

(I do agree with Robyn about the speedos, however)

If you call religious wars, crusades and never-ending conflicts the best thing, then...I wonder who your God is. The devil?!

Instead of criticizing people for making their beliefs known, how about you let us know your beliefs? All I've seen you do is attack people, but have no position yourself. But be happy, you got a "follower" in Swede with you. Lets hear it.

I already said that I have no beliefs. Reread the whole thread if it isn't clear.

What a ****ing p.ussy. You take this long to answer? You must be googling something. I'm sure Swede is right behind you with it.

Are you talking to me? It's been only 7 minutes between your posts. Get a life.

[moneyline]

Robyn, I guess it is the same thing as a person who keeps smoking because it is so fun -- and then gets lung cancer where the doctor says there is nothing he can do for them anymore. Now, there was no guarantee they were going to get lung cancer, but they sure did know there was a possibility.

And the ones I've talked to feel foolish for their lack of long-sightedness. Lucky for them, if they've accepted the Lord their shortsightedness will only affect this blink of an eye life. Those who decide to ignore God will suffer a fate that lasts quite a bit longer ...

Sad, when they had the free will at their disposal and could've just joyfully accepted the gift offered to them.

Oh, and Arnold, when you say you have no beliefs, that is saying you do have a belief. You choose to believe in nothing. Sounds rather empty, doesn't it?

[Panic]

A person that leaves a positive mark on others.



Maybe for you, because you're not fit for the real world. You need to create an imaginary one, where you feel good.



The Lord has nothing to do with you. It's all in your mind.



Did I ever say it will? You, on the other hand, said it will (after death). Now think who made a more foolish statement.



I told you, all you care about is salvation and escape from hell. You Christians can't live without talking the need of being saved. Obviously, without it there would be no Christianity, since that's what it is all about anyways.



Yeah, because faith without deeds is a dead faith. You know that, I hope. Although, you're welcome to support your argument by sinning left and right.



This is Players Talk. Thanks for your input and go visit hundreds of other non-gambling and/or sensless threads, and educate them about what forum it is.



If you call religious wars, crusades and never-ending conflicts the best thing, then...I wonder who your God is. The devil?!



I already said that I have no beliefs. Reread the whole thread if it isn't clear.



Are you talking to me? It's been only 7 minutes between your posts. Get a life.

Of course you have no beliefs. What a pussy. You attack people and dont have the courage to make a stance. I just said this. And I like Swede, but why she is following you is beyond me. You are.....nothing.

[Robyn]

Robyn, I guess it is the same thing as a person who keeps smoking because it is so fun -- and then gets lung cancer where the doctor says there is nothing he can do for them anymore. Now, there was no guarantee they were going to get lung cancer, but they sure did know there was a possibility.

And the ones I've talked to feel foolish for their lack of long-sightedness. Lucky for them, if they've accepted the Lord their shortsightedness will only affect this blink of an eye life. Those who decide to ignore God will suffer a fate that lasts quite a bit longer ...

Sad, when they had the free will at their disposal and could've just joyfully accepted the gift offered to them.

Oh, and Arnold, when you say you have no beliefs, that is saying you do have a belief. You choose to believe in nothing. Sounds rather empty, doesn't it?

I have a question for you. And I truly mean no disrespect.

I have seen a lot of your posts here and you can can be pretty nasty to others at times. Do you think that God would look favorably on you treating others that way? Do you think that because you believe in God, you will go to heaven despite the way you treat others here on earth? Now I am not saying that you do this to those you know in "real" life....but there are still living, breathing individuals (with the exception of jj and his ghosts) behind many of these usernames.

Don't get upset....just curious.

[Panic]

So, Arnold, now you are taking 15-20 minutes instead of 7, to answer the thread? Right? You are a joke and dont have the balls to take a position. You just want to ridicule everyone who does. Sorry, Robin, I knew the way this guy was. And I like Swede, very good poster and person, but why would she back this guy?

[moneyline]

Robyn, I rarely get upset -- no worries there. Sites like this are like video games to me. I will play around and trade sarcastic barb for sarcastic barb. Do I think it is right or that God smiles when I do so? No and no. And do I think I will go to heaven no matter how I treat people I meet here on earth? Yes and no. I don't believe I can earn heaven, so by saying I need to do x, y and z to get there would be disingenuous. But I do believe I live my life a certain way because of my belief in God, not because I am trying to earn something. I worked at Mother Theresa's Home for the Dying in Calcutta, not to earn any merit points, but because I felt moved to do so, for example.

You may find these answers dissatisfying, but they are all 100% honest.

[Panic]

On a lighter note, I just hit the first half of the Orl/Tor game and I am happy. If I lost, I would break things...ala, bread.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Sweet jesus (pun intended), what hath I wrought with this thread!

[Robyn]

Robyn, I rarely get upset -- no worries there. Sites like this are like video games to me. I will play around and trade sarcastic barb for sarcastic barb. Do I think it is right or that God smiles when I do so? No and no. And do I think I will go to heaven no matter how I treat people I meet here on earth? Yes and no. I don't believe I can earn heaven, so by saying I need to do x, y and z to get there would be disingenuous. But I do believe I live my life a certain way because of my belief in God, not because I am trying to earn something. I worked at Mother Theresa's Home for the Dying in Calcutta, not to earn any merit points, but because I felt moved to do so, for example.

You may find these answers dissatisfying, but they are all 100% honest.

Whenever someone does something for others for selfless reasons, that is never a dissatisfying answer.

I was raised Catholic. I can't say that all Catholic's behave in this manner....but I grew weary and tired of seeing so many living lives as non-Christians during the week and then asking for forgiveness Saturday afternoon at mass. Just.Dreadful.

[Panic]

Whenever someone does something for others for selfless reasons, that is never a dissatisfying answer.

I was raised Catholic. I can't say that all Catholic's behave in this manner....but I grew weary and tired of seeing so many living lives as non-Christians during the week and then asking for forgiveness Saturday afternoon at mass. Just.Dreadful.

Can you put bread on for a moment? Thank you. Bread, what did you take tonight?

[Robyn]

He's in the other room right now flipping back and forth between games and American Idol (for our article). I think he bet on the Tigers to win by 2....and some other basketball game...but I didn't ask.