AMANDA KNOX -- guilty or innocent???

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  • Chuck Sims
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    #246
    bettilimbroke, Thanks.

    losturmarbles, There were many. They have been covered in this thread. If you dismiss all of it, then what evidence do you need? The jury is to decide beyond a reasonable doubt, not without a shadow of a doubt.
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    • losturmarbles
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      #247
      Originally posted by Chuck Sims
      bettilimbroke, Thanks.

      losturmarbles, There were many. They have been covered in this thread. If you dismiss all of it, then what evidence do you need? The jury is to decide beyond a reasonable doubt, not without a shadow of a doubt.
      LIKE WHAT?!?!

      i'm only dismissing what doesn't meet required legal standards. what doesn't meet credibility standards. if you accept all of it, you're a fukin moron.

      wtf are you talking about reasonable doubt, shadow of a doubt? could you be any more cryptic? in italy, the jury only has to return a majority decision, not be unanimous.

      and if you're guilty until proven innocent and you don't have a problem with that, then you're advocating a blatant disregard for the rule of law.
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      • MilfDriller
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        #248
        lostur, I have the same contentions that u have. however, along the 8 pgs of this thread you'll encounter the circumstantial evidence and the arguments against ak.

        I find myself wanting to say 'guilty'... then read more.. then say, 'well, maybe innocent'... the go back again to 'guilty'.

        in the following post you'll find a summary of the problem I have w/ the crime scene dna.... or lack thereof. to me it rings true.

        for now, here are the comments of ak when she has returned to the house in the morning to take a shower. (had she killed [taken part in the murder] mk, this would truly be a bold move.... but, then again, if she did and they had orchestrated a clean-up, it might not appear so)

        Then I went into my room, um, and I changed, well no, I made a mistake, I went into the bathroom. I had these earrings, I had a lot of them, I like earrings, I had had them pierced recently, and I always had to wash them carefully because one was a little infected, and I had to take the earrings out and clean the ear, and that's when I saw some drops of blood on the sink. At first I thought they had come from my ears. But then when I scratched the drops a bit, I saw they were all dry, and I thought "That's weird. Oh well, I'll take my shower." Then when I got out of the shower, I saw that I had forgotten my towel, so I wanted to use the bathmat to get to my room, and that's when I saw the bloody stain that was on the bathmat.

        this testimony is similar to most all of her testimony. it appears as tho she is covering her tracks and doesn't read as genuine. ex: why was there blood in the bathroom? well, my earings. why did you have a mop at the crime scene outside the house when the police arrived? well, we spilled water in the kitchen at rs's place
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        • MilfDriller
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          #249
          What is your basis for being surprised, & for the claim that there should have been hair/fiber transfer?

          This is one of the issues that drew me to the discussion boards on the case. I initially thought the same thing, but I've found no substantiation for that expectation.

          I should qualify my earlier reference to MK's body apparently not having been cleaned. There are unequivocal descriptions of blood spatter on her chest, & no descriptions of the rest of her body, so I can really conclude only that her chest wasn't cleaned.


          If people are struggling, grappling or wrestling with each other there are forceful movements such as push, pull, twist, punch, kick, etc. Those movements will dislodge head and body hairs and skin cells which fall out as a matter of normal life anyway. Fibers from clothing are shaken off or directly transferred (ie. fibers from your sleeve become embedded in my sleeve if they touch or rub). Even if those physical artifacts aren't on the victim's body or clothing, they will likely appear on the floor or anything around where the struggle is occuring.

          But something like a vacuum could remove some of these things from surfaces that allow. Fibers and hairs embedded in clothing might remain unless laundered, but may still be present even afterwards.

          If the clothing worn by the victim during the murder actually was placed into the washer... the entire washer contents (including any soapy water) should have been taken as evidence.
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          • MilfDriller
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            #250
            I'm still leaning towards 'guilty' or 'involved in the crime' ... yet I can't say definitively guilty.

            If you ask me to line up all of the circumstantial evidence, I could refute all of them w/ amanda's line of reasoning... but it is almost ridiculous to assume that such a long list of events/happenings occurred in such a benign, innocent manner.
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            • MilfDriller
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              #251
              People may find this ridiculous, but take it as you will.


              Just look at videos of the following defendants:

              OJ Simpson.... u can tell he is guilty as fvck

              Scott Peterson .... guilty as fvck

              Wife Killer (cop guy) Peterson ... guilty as fvck

              Baby Killer in Florida on trial now .... guilty as fvck (forget her name)


              You can look at them and go, 'Yep, guilty as fvck'. Yet when you watch court videos of Amanda.... I just can't say that. And it has nothing to do w/ her being white (3 of the above named are white)
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              • losturmarbles
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                #252
                do i think she's hiding something? yes.
                do i think it's possible she was involved in the murder? yes.

                but the law doesn't go by what one thinks, it goes by provable facts, credible evidence.
                i don't mind speculating what amanda's involvement was or could've been. however, to approve of italy's disregard for the law is appalling.
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                • eastvan09
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                  #253
                  The lack of AK's DNA in Meredith's room is odd
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                  • Chuck Sims
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                    #254
                    lostyrmarbles, were you on the OJ jury? Or maybe the Robert Blake jury? Let me be less cryptic, you are clueless. I can just imagine you on the OJ jury. What evidence? There is no evidence.

                    AK murdered the poor girl with a little help from her friends. She cleaned up and staged a break-in. Those are facts. Now who would do that? DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    You think a stranger murdered the girl and then would hang around the murder scene to clean up, sit on the toilet, take a shit, and then stage a break-in? Its preposterous.
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                    • MilfDriller
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                      #255
                      I posted the AK comment recently about how she found the shit.... which basically goes 'I saw the shit left in the toilet... and, boy, somebody musta been in a real hurry'

                      I may be missing this, but how does that make sense? Supposing it was her roommate's shit and she was going to a party on a weekend night.... she's in a hurry out the door...but wait, I gotta take a shit. So she hurries into the bathroom, drops the deuce, then runs out to the car to go with her friends to the party... w/o wiping or flushing. I don't get it.

                      The taking of the shit had to occur before the murder.

                      Anyways, I'm sure this will make sense later.
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                      • MilfDriller
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                        #256
                        The best liars in the world are women.

                        I wouldn't say that Amanda is a great liar... but she is one of the most incredible, exquisite actresses I have ever seen.

                        Yet if you watch interviews w/ Amanda's sister... a 20 yo slut very much in the mold of Amanda... I mean, she has almost absolutely no social tact. In her interviews she acts like some young woman being interviewed in front of a night club. And this strangeness makes Amanda's odd behavior seem not so entirely strange.
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                        • MilfDriller
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                          #257
                          This is a good reply to lostur's concerns:

                          There was plenty of overt evidence of their involvement at the crime scene. For example, a woman's bloody footprints and a bloody shoeprint that are Amanda's size but not Meredith's. The extensive injuries to the victim combined with her apparent inability to fight back with both arms indicates she was restrained while being sexually assaulted, stabbed, and choked - not something that one person alone would be able to do. The fact that someone cleaned up the murder scene afterward, but didn't bother to remove obvious evidence of 1 person's involvement while only focusing on cleaning up the evidence of the other perpetrators, indicates that someone who lived there was trying to point investigators in a different direction. The staging of the break in and the removal of the victim's clothing after the murder also support this conclusion.

                          When the physical evidence at the scene is combined with the lies and ever-changing stories of the accused, the conclusion is easily reached.
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                          • iceminers26
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                            #258
                            I don't know everything about this case but have gathered some facts, but I still don't have a side.

                            My ?s, why were they (Amanda and her BF) so uncooperative with authorities, why did Amanda act so weird at the police station, cartwheels, faces, etc, and if you have nothing to hide, why give the run around.

                            With that said, I have no lean to guilty or not guilty, but will say this: if you don't want to decrease your chances and basically **** yourself, why lie to authorities. She is a young, American, female, student that would have helped her chances if she would have talked immediately and not did skeptical shit.

                            Just my thoughts on it. I feel bad for her if she is innocent, but feel she buried herself with giving authorities the run around, what was she thinking, guilty or not.
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                            • MilfDriller
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                              #259
                              Here is an interview w/ the prosecutor defending himself:


                              From Il Secolo XIX.
                              12 dicembre 2009 | Claudio Paglieri
                              The pm responds to Preston: Doesn’t know what he is talking about.

                              "I've been patient, but enough is enough. This gentleman does not know what he is talking about. I saw him for two hours in my entire life and for several years spreads on the Internet a reconstruction of an event which he had not understood anything at all. And now, perhaps for revenge, intervenes in the Kercher process from overseas saying things that do not conform to reality." Giuliano Mignini, prosecutor in the trial for the murder of Meredith Kercher, has gone in a few hours from accuser to accuse. Americans did not like Amanda Knox conviction, and writer and journalist Douglas Preston wags precise protests.


                              We start from the "outstanding issue" between you two. Preston, who together with journalist Mario Spezi researching the Monster of Florence, said you questioned him for two hours. The day after he left Italy to avoid being arrested.

                              "He has not understood anything. He is a writer but does not know the legal procedures. The reality is different: while I was listening to him as a person informed of the facts in a case that I was handling, suspicions of guilt emerged against him, that is, making false statements to the prosecutor. Under Article 63 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, I informed him he had to appoint a defense lawyer and that I could not continue the questioning. I added that for that offense, under Article 371 bis, I would have to await the outcome of proceedings in which the statements were made. He told me that he understood Italian well, but evidently it was not so. He claims that I would have told him to flee to America and not come back; otherwise I would have him arrested. It is absolutely not true."

                              Certainly Preston was shocked by the questioning. He says you were very hard.

                              "Shocked? What can I say? The questionings if done like this, they serve to wag protests. "

                              Now however he is challenging the methods of interrogation made to Amanda. It is true that she was under pressure? And why there are no recordings?

                              "Amanda was first heard as a person informed of the facts (witness). In these cases, even for the urgency, are not ever recorded by the police. Then the questioning was suspended because it emerged that there were suspicions of guilt. I explained to Amanda that under Article 374 cpp, the on spontaneous presentation of a person, she could make statements and that I would have to collect it. Only in the case where I had questions, and answers were made, a lawyer had to be a present. But I had not been asking her questions, in practice I was only the notary."

                              And no recordings made.

                              "No. I am in the habit of doing it, when I am in my office. I recorded the statements of her housemates and their testimony. But that evening we were in the police station, there was agitation; there was a need to go and arrest Lumumba, accused by Amanda. Who then was cleared through by me."

                              Preston, in an article in the “Guardian,” says that the name of Lumumba was suggested by yourselves.

                              "Not true. In court, the president asked Amanda and she answered clearly no."

                              Amanda during that first interrogation was without a lawyer and without an interpreter.

                              "Another falsehood. Interpreter was present, Dr Donnino. I will add that the first hearing before the investigating judge (GIP) she used the option right not to answer. The interrogation made by me in prison, with three defense lawyers present, was recorded.”

                              Let’s come to the HIV. Amanda, in prison, is being told that she is HIV positive and asked to make a list of her former lovers to warn them of the danger. Then it was discover that it was a "false positive" and the suspicion that it was a trick.

                              "I did not request anything of the kind to Amanda. We always have the utmost respect of suspects, furthermore why would I’ve done that? .”

                              Why then was the list in the news papers and helped to give the girl a negative image, of "easy" woman.

                              "No one has given an image of Amanda as an "easy " girl. Why should I? She was totally unknown to the police and the prosecution. Her sex life has no relevance for description purposes of the person, but only to explain the tension in relations with the other occupants."

                              We conclude with other issues raised on several occasions by Douglas Preston: DNA tests are not convincing.

                              "What can I say? Who did the work are scientific police from the Interior Ministry, the utmost that we have in Italy, for the police. I have trust in them, I am not a biologist. And neither is Preston."

                              And the investigation against you for abuse of office and illegal wiretapping under way in Florence?

                              "I have yet to understand what is the thing I’m accuse of. The inquiry anyway came to its end. Meanwhile, the review court in Florence and then the Supreme Court had canceled the sequesters made by pm Luca Turco against Dr Giuttari (who investigated the Monster, ed), my co-defendant, for “per difetto del fumus del reato di abuso. Manca addirittura il fumus...” lack of prima ((foundation)) of the crime of abuse. There is not even a prima ...».

                              You will not be appealing the sentence, in Court of Appeal the acquittal might come. In America they’re convinced: the conviction of First Instance has served to save face for the Public Prosecution, but then the truth will come out.

                              "To this, I do not even want to comment ... I will only say that between GIP, the Court of Review, Supreme Court, Court of Assize and GUP eighteen judges, have spoken, confirming the accusatory findings. All deceived by me? There is a sovereign state and a ruling on behalf of the Italian people, and on behalf of us all. Full stop.
                              http://ilsecoloxix.ilsole24ore.com/p/it ... onde.shtml
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                              • MilfDriller
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                                #260
                                Here is a little summary... tho some of this can be contested:



                                Evidence that Amanda Knox was in Meredith's room on the night of the murder:

                                1. The double DNA Knife not only places Amanda Knox in Meredith's room, but also indicates that she inflicted the fatal wound

                                2. The woman's bloody shoeprint on the pillow under Meredith's body matched Amanda Knox's foot size, but was incompatible with Meredith's foot size. This debunks the myth that Rudy Guede acted alone and clearly places Amanda Knox inside Meredith's room when Meredith was killed.

                                3. Raffaele Sollecito's forensic expert, Professor Vinci, claimed that he had found Knox's DNA on Meredith's bra. This seems to prove she also handled Meredith's bra.

                                Apparently, Vincenzo Pascali, Sollecito's chief forensic consultant, also found Knox's DNA on Meredith's bra

                                4.Amanda Knox's reading lamp was found in Meredith's room. This is further evidence that Amanda Knox was in Meredith's room on the night of the murder.

                                5. Amanda Knox's footprints were set in Meredith's blood in different parts of the cottage, which clearly indicates that she had stepped in Meredith's blood in the Meredith's room and then tracked the blood around the house.

                                6. Amanda Knox's DNA was mixed with Meredith's blood in the bathroom, which clearly indicates that her hands had come into with Meredith's blood in Meredith's room and then touched different fittings and the box of Q Tips cotton swabs in the bathroom.

                                Evidence that Raffaele Sollecito was in Meredith's room on the night of the murder:

                                1. An abundant amount of Raffaele Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp.

                                2. Raffaele Sollecito's footprints were set in Meredith's blood in different parts of the cottage. One of them was revealed by luminol in the hallway, and the other one was easily visible to the naked eye on the blue bathmat in Meredith’s and Knox’s shared bathroom. This evidence clearly indicates that he had stepped in Meredith's blood and then tracked the blood around the house.
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                                • iceminers26
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                                  #261
                                  Heck Driller, I don't even have to search for news about this case, you do a solid job updating shit.
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                                  • MilfDriller
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                                    #262
                                    Thought this was funny.


                                    BTW, my cousin went to perugia and took pictures in the Via della Pergola. He told me that afro-africans are now living in the house, they became angry when he started to take pictures,
                                    shouting "take pictures of your own house and leave us alone"
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                                    • MilfDriller
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                                      #263
                                      I am cherry-picking from various sites.
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                                      • MilfDriller
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                                        #264
                                        Here is a video of Amanda's 20 yo sister in an interview. My sister is on trial for murder? Really? Aw fvck that, it's PAWTY TIME!!! Drinks are on me:

                                        (skip to 1:08 to see the sister interview)



                                        Ironically, this lack of social tact in the Knox family is what makes Amanda.... believable.
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                                        • eberetta1
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                                          #265
                                          i'm glad there are juries to listen these kinds of cases. I trust they got the verdict right.

                                          Maybe you should contact your county and try to get on a jurors list. Seems you would be willing to
                                          pay attention to a crime presented to you.
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                                          • MilfDriller
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                                            #266
                                            Going to add pics/videos of the houses/bathrooms over time.



                                            Purportedly, this is the trail of footprints of the Afr guy leading to the bathroom where he left the shit... THis may be after cleaning took place.... by Amanda/bf or whoever.


                                            False. But this provides a pic of the hallway to the bathroom where the dump was deposited.
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                                            • MilfDriller
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                                              #267
                                              ebe, I am for hangings and executions.... and I would give the death sentence for easy-going gangbangers. I would execute a great part of the US prison population.

                                              I don't think you'd want me on your jury. I am old school.
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                                              • pico
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                                                #268
                                                moral of the story. sweet american girls became nympho murdering maniacs in europe.
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                                                • MilfDriller
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                                                  #269
                                                  I enjoy these.

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                                                  • MilfDriller
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                                                    #270
                                                    This is the whole problem I have w/ the case....

                                                    Occam in fact would say, that if the evidence at the crime scene shows multiple attackers committed the crime, then the simplest conclusion would be that multiple attackers did so. All the intellectual gymnastics to try and sweep all that evidence under the carpet in order to 'force' a different conclusion because it's convenient would have Occam turning in his grave.

                                                    Ignoring the fact that one of these suspects left zero detectable DNA at a room were are expected to believe she was involved in a life or death struggle.

                                                    The second suspect was only linked by an item retrieved weeks later that not only shows his DNA profile, but that of other unidentified persons. If it's impossible the suspects DNA profile could be the result of contamination, why don't we apply that same standard for other profiles found on the same sample?

                                                    Has anyone explained why Rudy would participate in a murder conspiracy with these two others in a way that would leave evidence pointing to him all over the scene?
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                                                    • MilfDriller
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                                                      #271
                                                      This is the point. Not much was found, of 'anyone' even of Rudy Guede. This suggests that she was effectively restrained, otherwise there would have been more of an effective struggle which would have left more forensic data. This is part of the evidence that argues Meredith was restrained by three attackers, rather then one (especially when we also have to remember that the attacker would also be holding a knife leaving him only one hand to use to restrain and partially undress her). Meredith struggled, she tried to fight back, as shown by the various bruising but that struggle wasn't effective.

                                                      I'm still surprised at no hairs, fibers or skin cells (w/DNA). The act of restraining her should have transferred material. I read that she was thrown into a wall. How does the "thrower" prevent their own micro-bits from being left at the scene and/or on the victim herself?

                                                      During the lengthy restraining, the victim probably was sweating. This increases the chance of micro-materials clinging to her skin. Once blood is spilled, these tiny things can be absorbed by it. But then again, the process of searching through all of this is enormously tedious and time consuming. Other than head hairs, most of this stuff is invisible to the naked eye at the crime scene itself.

                                                      I think that in the end I'm just going to have to remain surprised and puzzled.
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                                                      • MilfDriller
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                                                        #272
                                                        I have read that the bf wore a swim cap and had full body suit on to prevent dna transfer... but this seems absolutely ridiculous. Actually, it doesn't seem ridiculous, it is ridiculous.

                                                        Amanda didn't know that she would have the evening free.... so this could not have been premeditated. Add to the fact that they hardly knew each other (Amanda/bf only a few weeks) and that they knew of the Afr guy even less.... how would they all work together to plan such a murder.... and even do so where the bf is wearing a 'dna suit' and the Afr guy is just winging it... leaving his shit everywhere.

                                                        Impossible.

                                                        And the idea of the 3 of them working together on the crime... it's about as plausible as my neighbor having once met a Pakistani national at a party... and to then commit a torture-rape-murder with that Pakistani on another person shortly thereafter and w/ no planning. Makes no sense.
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                                                          #273
                                                          Originally Posted by Kestrel
                                                          Ignoring the fact that one of these suspects left zero detectable DNA at a room were are expected to believe she was involved in a life or death struggle.


                                                          You've gone and shifted the goal posts. Absence of evidence is not proof of innocence (despote the fact your statement isn't true - footprint on the pillow matching Amanda's size and Raffaele's and Amanda's DNA on the bra clasp). So little evidence was left because Meredith was unable to fight back being restrained by 3 people. And lets take the physical attack (exclude the sexual attack for the moment) there is only two forensic traces of Rudy on Meredith. 1. We would expect to see more were he the lone attacker and 2. it proves an attack can take place leaving next to no evidence at all...none at all, is only marginally different then only two traces. You also ignore all possibilty that two of the attackers may have been wearing gloves.

                                                          Your limited arbitrary perspective also serves to conveniently ignore the wealth of other evidence that puts them at the cottage on the night of the murder and involved in the crime scene staging, staging they would only have reason to do if they were involved.

                                                          Originally Posted by Kestrel
                                                          The second suspect was only linked by an item retrieved weeks later that not only shows his DNA profile, but that of other unidentified persons. If it's impossible the suspects DNA profile could be the result of contamination, why don't we apply that same standard for other profiles found on the same sample?


                                                          If I were to shoot someone and then had you hold the handle so you also left your traces on it, then got someone else to do the same, does that mean the gun shouldn't be considered as evidence and I should get off?

                                                          You also ignore the fact that those other profiles were so week a profile couldn't even be made from them, indicating it was by third party transfer simply by existing in a shared domicile with shared laudry facilities. While in contrast, Raffaele's sample was large, complete and could only have occurred via direct vigorous contact.

                                                          The time it took before the sample was tested is not an issue. If they did take the sample on day one to the lab and put it in a sealed box for weeks, then they tested it, would it still be invalid?
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                                                          • MilfDriller
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                                                            #274
                                                            Don't know if I buy this... they were so methodical to wear gloves and protection gear... yet the bf decides to take off his gloves and contaminate a crucial piece of evidence. ANd that evidence was found weeks later?...


                                                            And if the girl was really timid... hell, here comes some Afr guy w/ a knife who is a thug... maybe she was so terrified she just froze. Especially if the Afr guy is holding a knife to her neck.
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                                                              #275
                                                              Originally Posted by Kestrel
                                                              Has anyone explained why Rudy would participate in a murder conspiracy with these two others in a way that would leave evidence pointing to him all over the scene?


                                                              This keeps coming up. What specifically do people want? An explanation of why Guede does not now point the finger at Knox and Sollecito, and why Knox and Sollecito don't do the same to Guede? An explanation of how they planned the whole thing intending to kill her? An explanation of how they happened to be in the same appartment at the same time when the murder took place, were all involved in her death, and either fled or tried to cover up the plan? "Conspired" makes it sound like they planned together to do this because it was something that they all wanted to do.

                                                              You seem to be asking a "when did you stop beating your wife" style question. I doubt anybody thinks Knox, Sollecito and Guede sat in a bar and agree that they will all kill Meredith, that Guede will be sure to leave his DNA at the scene and that the other two will do their best to erase all evidence of themselves.

                                                              It may be that some people involved where not thinking very rationally during that night, or at least did not realize what they were getting themselves involved in. Must we believe that Guede entered the appartment intending murder? Must we believe that if Knox and/or Sollecito were involved in him getting into the appartment that they intended a murder to take place? Couldn't it be a situation that escalated beyond what some, or all, the people involved had anticipated and, by the time they did stop to think they felt they were in too deep to turn back.

                                                              Whatever happened, Knox and Sollecito are hiding something that seemed to them worse than lying to police investigating the murder of her housemate.
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                                                                #276
                                                                I think the Afr guy showed up intending to rob... even potentially rape Meredith.

                                                                If not, the only plausible explanation would be some wicked combination of drugs/alcohol used by Amanda/bf.

                                                                Given Amanda's/bf's background... I highly doubt they're going to say to some anonymous Afr thug guy, "Hey, you wanna play a sex game prank on my roommate?" Then hold Meredith down while the Afr guy rapes Meredith... huh?
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                                                                  #277
                                                                  Originally Posted by Kestrel
                                                                  Has anyone explained why Rudy would participate in a murder conspiracy with these two others in a way that would leave evidence pointing to him all over the scene?


                                                                  Your question assumes there was a conspiracy to murder and Rudy was part of that conspiracy. Second, Rudy ran after the murder and didn't come back. Raffaele and Amanda didn't sit down with him and have a board meeting with him about what they were going to do with the evidence. Third, Rudy's cavalier behaviour at the crime scene leaving evidence that was unnecessary to the crime (he didn't need to go stepping in a puddle of blood so he left footprints, he didn't need to not bother flushing the toilet, he didn't need to put his hands in blood and instead of washing them right away go around touching things in the room with them) shows he was either not aware of the danger of leaving forensic evidence, didn't care or both. But just because he was that way, it doesn't mean the others were too.
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                                                                  • MilfDriller
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                                                                    • 11-23-08
                                                                    • 10186

                                                                    #278
                                                                    Since human skin cells do in fact contain DNA, where does it go when the cell dies?

                                                                    DNA heaven?
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                                                                    • MilfDriller
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                                                                      • 11-23-08
                                                                      • 10186

                                                                      #279
                                                                      this is from the bf's diary:

                                                                      Nov 16 2007
                                                                      Last night I saw on television that the knife that I had at home (the
                                                                      one from the kitchen) has traces of Meredith and Amanda (latent) ...
                                                                      my heart jumped in my throat and I was in total panic because I
                                                                      thought that Amanda had killed Meredith or had helped someone in the
                                                                      enterprise. But today I saw Tiziano who calmed me down: he told me
                                                                      that the knife could not have been the murder weapon, according to the
                                                                      legal doctor, and has nothing to do with anything as Amanda could take
                                                                      it and and carry it from my house to her house because the girls
                                                                      didn't have knife so, they are making a smokescreen for nothing ... I
                                                                      live in a reality show nightmare, the 'nightmare reality show'.
                                                                      Unbelievable!
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                                                                      • MilfDriller
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                                                                        • 11-23-08
                                                                        • 10186

                                                                        #280
                                                                        Here is the part mentioning the 'pricking' of the knife on Meredith. All from the bf's diary:

                                                                        (funny how he makes reference to the tv show)

                                                                        Nov 18 2007
                                                                        they are keeping me in jail because there is a kitchen knife with a
                                                                        trace of Meredith's DNA. It seems like a horror movie ... Looking back
                                                                        and remembering it came to mind that the night dad sent me an sms
                                                                        message of goodnight to be indiscreet (knowing that I was with
                                                                        Amanda), then the day after Amanda repeated to me that if she had not
                                                                        been with me at this time she would be dead. Thinking and
                                                                        reconstructing, it seems to me that she always remained with me, the
                                                                        only thing I do not remember exactly is when she left in the early
                                                                        evening for a few minutes.

                                                                        I am convinced that she could not have killed Meredith and then return
                                                                        home. The fact that there is Meredith's DNA on the kitchen is because
                                                                        once while cooking together, I shifted myself in the house handling
                                                                        the knife, I had the point on her hand, and immediately after I
                                                                        apologized but she had nothing done to her. So the only real
                                                                        explanation of the kitchen knife is this.

                                                                        I am not quiet because if they have found a trace so ridiculous they
                                                                        can find many so many others on the rags and so on ... What a
                                                                        nightmare! They should first of all show that the knife is indeed the
                                                                        weapon of the crime: knife, type of cut, the obvious traces on the
                                                                        blade, etc.. Then if they want to find invisible traces of Meredith in
                                                                        my house, find some in the streams of this passage! There must be a
                                                                        divine justice to all this! I continue to wake up in the morning with
                                                                        accusatory faces that fix me as a murderer ...

                                                                        What an absurd story, all ready to point the finger when nothing is
                                                                        known yet. I hope that my father is well, and also all those who watch
                                                                        this absurd event. I hope the real truth comes to surface. None of the
                                                                        three enters! I have read in the newspapers that this story is taking
                                                                        an enormous media dimension and all that scares me a lot, because if
                                                                        they don't have the hit act it becomes impossible to calm them ... The
                                                                        delusion of the mass, the money will be payed back to Patrick, to me
                                                                        and to Amanda ...

                                                                        Oh God, oh God, what a mess! They don't understand anything! Who and
                                                                        what have stuck me in this story? Somewhat I have put of my own, but
                                                                        now it is too much.
                                                                        They call me to the infirmary and I read on the record that they
                                                                        diagnosed me a few days ago for panic attacks and I had to be
                                                                        reviewed. Both Amanda and Patrick are calm, and so this reassures me:
                                                                        if neither of the two had done anything I figured! So we must have
                                                                        patience. I am very pleased to talk with the (female) doctors (some
                                                                        job titles are neutral, this one isn't) or social workers or the
                                                                        pastor or (female) psychologist, they are very friendly and willing to
                                                                        talk, it comforts me a lot. I am not liked to talk with the deputy
                                                                        commander because he continues to investigate and to show me what can
                                                                        happen if I don't tell the truth. We do not talk anymore.

                                                                        I continue to watch TV and the morning, when I wake up, do exercises
                                                                        to keep in shape. What else can I do? ... I write ... There is a girl
                                                                        in France who has killed a guy she knew one evening inspired by the
                                                                        tragedy of Perugia: The girl is crazy. We are all mad! Here it seems
                                                                        to me I live in a comedy-reality-horror-show blowout by Big Brother.
                                                                        That is the worst of the worst! The guards are kind, at least some,
                                                                        not all, already it is impossible to change the minds of everyone ...
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