AMANDA KNOX -- guilty or innocent???

[MilfDriller]

I would say that the bitch is crazy... but all women are friggin nuts. But look at this shit.


"But it appears any romance between the couple has ended. in another letter, dated February 18, she tells him that she cannot give him her 'heart completely' because she has returned to her ex-boyfriend, American photographer David Johnsrud.

She writes: 'I'm sorry for you and that in this time I've steered myself back to the love that I knew.

'But I can give you my hand, shoulder, my ear, my time, my pen, my thoughts, my smiles, my silly pink paper...'"

She refers to her "silly pink paper" in the recently published story.

[MilfDriller]

I think it is safe to say that Sollecito is still (as the prosecution has charged) 'led around on a dogs lead' by Amanda Knox.
I also think her 'boyfriend' DJ is too.
Knox is a highly manipulative individual and It seems people that are in her manipulative grip are not aware of being so.
It is obvious to me that Amanda Knox is the connective tissue joining this whole tragedy together, she manipulated the whole thing - like an evil puppet master.
Sollecito was putty in her hands and is still even now being led astray by her.
He is still trapped in her erotic coil, just like he always has been - she just gives him enough to keep his interest going.
She introduced him to sex for the first time (well with a human being anyway) and he is as a result still lovelorn.
She knows this more than any other.
'DJ' is very similar.
Call me old fashioned but what guy would allow his girlfriend to run around with the full knowledge she was having sex with almost any man she wanted to, including complete strangers on trains?
I wouldn't, not in a million years - and if she happened to get arrested with her current boyfriends (yes boyfriends) for sexual assault and murder - then you would not see me flying half way across the world to support her in court at her trial.
At the end of the day, although her inane and fanciful ramblings could offer an insight into her twisted mind I think they should be taken with a pinch of salt, as she is still playing her wicked games.

[MilfDriller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAk6rTSYWbA&feature=rec-LGOUT-real_rn-2r-4-HM

[MilfDriller]

I don't understand why the black dude left his shit in the toilet?

Was there TP in there as well? Did the dude not wipe at all?

[MilfDriller]

I love the 'Big Momma' protector in her jail cell... that was funny as hell.

THe guy is talking plainly and doing a news report and then he busts out w/ a 'Big Momma'. lmao. might as well have Martin Lawrence voice overs edited into it... that was fvcking funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHTx2WEK2R0&feature=related

[MilfDriller]

Sweet Jesus! Is there any doubt this fvcking **** is the killer? Seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JJahPK3Peo&feature=related

[beach nut]

She is guilty.

[MilfDriller]

I fvckign love this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acyGm9p_W1A&feature=related

[MilfDriller]

She is guilty.

what is your argument for her guilt?

[MilfDriller]

I love this.

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Among other things, someone should have advised the family in proper attire(and Amanda too). Italy respects the Bella Figura, appropriate style/manners/grooming, above almost everything else. They were at their daughter's murder trial in Italy, not Costco shopping on Saturday morning. Every court scene showed them in sweatpants, daisy-dukes, and UGGs(how did they even get them into Italy?). Followed by paparazzi around town they were even worse.

[MilfDriller]

And, ironically, part of that may be the gist of the whole Amanda trial. The bitch simply doesn't know any better and doesn't give a fvck. Same w/ her family and parents.

She's in a major murder trial and she's wearing basically pajamas.... and her parents show up in court wearing shit clothes. It's almost like a basic lack of understanding of the fact that certain occasions require corresponding attire.... no wonder the bitch was doing cartwheels and the splits at the police station.

And that's what I love about this crazy fvcking story... bitch doing cartwheels in the police station, killer taking a shit and just leaving it in the toilet w/ no flush or TP, Amanda fvcking some 50 year-old dude she had just met on the train in the train bathroom, Amanda and her bf waiting outside the house and the crime scene w/ a bucket and a mop..... that last one is an endless supply of entertainment.


Police: What were you doing outside of the crime scene w/ a bucket and a mop?
Amanda: Oh, nothing.
Police: Sounds good. Have a nice day.
Amanda: Wait! Officer, do you want to go for a train ride?

[MilfDriller]

more...

Originally Posted by Matthew Best
I don't quite understand your reasoning here. If his DNA is found anywhere in the room, it puts him at the scene of the crime, since his story is that he was not in the room at all. The DNA doesn't have to be found on the clasp and on the clasp alone for the prosecution to make their case, so there's no "precision guided munitions" analogy here. I think there's some sort of name for this fallacy but I can't remember what it is.

You're missing the point. Whether it's because I'm not being clear enough or you're being intentionally obtuse, I don't know.

Sollecito's DNA was found nowhere else in the room. So, the "cross-contamination" would have had to be like a guided missile. It floated from the door and landed only on the clasp, nowhere else. And not just a small sample of the DNA, but a massive one. So, a clump of Sollecito's skin cells (spittle, whatever) flew off the door, maybe it circled the room a time or two looking for a suitable target, and landed squarely on the clasp without leaving a trace anywhere else in the room.

That doesn't seem a bit stretched to you?

Now you're shifting your claim from "it's cross-contaminated" to "they'd only need one sample anyway."

I don't think you know what you're attempting to argue, or you're simply grasping at strawmen to protect your personal interpretation.

[MilfDriller]

BobTheDonkey,

I apologize for being brief due to some deadlines that must be met. So I offer this idea cautiously. The person who picked up the bra clasp in the video had dirty gloves. If these gloves had previously touched the door handle, it would provide a route for contamination. Other such scenarios are possible. If anyone is asking to see two objects being rubbed together on a video in order to believe contamination, that is setting the bar extremely high. Dr. Waterbury’s comments about controls, some of which I cited in my previous post, are worth pondering.

[Spanks]

its disgusting...

[MilfDriller]

Ok I will make a start: I will try to distinguish clearly between facts and not-facts: but if I make errors in this please jump in because there is a lot of confusion.

So far as I can figure we know this:
31st October
The victim spent Halloween with friends, first at the Merlin pub and then at a club called the Domus. They were up most of the night. That seems to be a fact, and is attested by a number of her friends

Guede said that he met the victim at a party that evening and made an date with her for 8:30 the following evening
When it was established this was not true Guede said that he met her at the Domus and made a date with her for 8:30 the following evening

None of the friends she was with remember seeing her with Guede at the Domus. None of them remember her making a date. She did not mention it the following afternoon nor did she leave in time to keep it.

Nov 1st

On Nov 1st Kercher and Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage together in the afternoon. She left between 4 and 5 and spent the evening with some of the same friends she had been with on Halloween, at the home of one of them.

The next bit is very confusing because it relates to what Knox and Sollecito say they were doing on the evening of Nov 1st. I do not think any of it can be taken as fact

Sollecito first said they were at a party with friends

Knox says that she and Sollecito left the cottage at about 5 pm and went straight to his flat where they spent the whole evening together. She says she expected to work that evening but she got a text from Lumumba saying the bar would not be open and she did not need to work. She says she told Socellito this. She says she did not reply to that text. She says that they did not do very much but that they took a shower together and had sex. Maybe she checked her e-mail. She says they ate at about 11 pm. She later says that they ate about 9: 30 pm. She says that pasta was cooked and that the water was spilled and left till the following morning. She says that there was a leak under the sink and left till the following morning. She says that they went to bed and woke about 10 am the following day


Sollecito says that they left the cottage about 6 pm and went for a walk before going back to his flat and spending the whole evening together

Sollecito says that they were out (not sure if they had gone to the flat and then gone out again or whether this was part of the walk they took) and that he returned to his flat alone at about 9 pm. He says Knox told him she was going to the bar Le Chic to meet friends. He says he went home and rolled a spliff and made some dinner. He says he spoke to his father on the phone at about 11pm. He says he was on his computer from 11pm till 1 am. He says Knox returned about 1 am. He says he cooked fish not pasta. He says that there was a leak from the sink which soaked the floor and it was still very wet the following day. He says they went to bed and did not wake until 10 am or so

From telephone records we know that Knox and Sollecito switched their phones off at about 8:45. Records also show that neither of them normally did this, so the idea they did so because they were having a romantic evening does not seem to be supported

We also know that they both switched their phones back on at around 6 am the following morning.

We know that Sollecito's father did not phone at 11 pm. He did phone at about 8:40 and the phone went straight to ansaphone.

The computer shows no activity after 9:10 that evening. Sollecito says he was downloading Amelie, but the computer records show that film was watched at 6:30 pm

The computer was used at 5.32 the following morning.

A witness says that Knox was at shop early on the morning of the 2nd. I cannot remember what time that was said to be: nor is there a till receipt in support of this.

Kercher and her friend, Sophie Purton, left their friend's house and walked part of the way together before parting when their ways diverged. The victim got home a little after 9pm

Around 9.30 she phoned her mother.

[MilfDriller]

Various witnesses report seeing or hearing things around 10:15 that night; two claim to have heard a very loud and disturbing scream; one claims to have heard more than one set of feet running away from the cottage in different directions; one claims to have encountered a black man leaving the cottage at speed. There are other witness testimonies about this and we may need to fill in more details but I am not certain enough of the times to put them in here as yet.

OK can we agree on this so far and would any one like to add, modify or subtract anything so far ?

[MilfDriller]

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I should note that the statement by the shop owner that they came in the morning to purchase cleaning items... that has been discounted. Previous I had read the shop owner's quotes placing the def.'s there, but the shop owner's co-worker or employee nullified that testimony saying that it was not true.

[MilfDriller]

look at this dumb whore..... went to Harvard and a former professor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF0qlaEhryE

highly surprising she graduated elementary school.

she is absolutely mind-boggling. quite possibly a grown-up version of Amanda Knox

[MilfDriller]

Biggest problem is not that she did it and not believing it.... it's believing that she did it and how she carries herself after the crime.

The cartwheels, the 'much deserved pizza', her comportment in court.... all like she's going thru a Sunday stroll thru a park. It'd be like slashing someone's throat and then 5 minutes later going to church and pleasantly enjoying your fellow church-goers company with delectable conversation. That, to me, is simply amazing.

[nobs]

Oh yeah, and she is not even good looking either. They keep saying she is cute and hot, I wouldnt even hit that.

[Chuck Sims]

She's guilty. I am mad at CBS for slanted journalism. They make it sound like this poor girl was railroaded. She's trash. And a murderer.

MilfDriller, in the separate trial of the black guy. Whats his story? Did he implicate the other two?

[MilfDriller]

Yeah, he's already been convicted in a speedy trial of his choosing. He has not implicated Amand/bf. He generated some bs story and followed it up w/ another bs story... His story was laughable.

He said he was making out w/ Meredth, then went to the bathroom to take a dump... then somebody spontaneously ran in and killed her. He said when he looked out of the bathroom that it looked like a man who looked like the bf. This man supposedly said, 'There's a black man in the house. You're in big trouble'

His stories were so ridiculous, they were funny. Repeatedly I've read comments where others are talking about his rendition and they comically refer to his words of 'uh oh, black man in the house'. I'd ahve to go dig that up.

It's as ridiculously comical as Amanda providing a reason why her dna was on the handle of the knife... that perhaps her bf used the knife to slash the girl's throat, then pressed it to her hand while she was sleeping... now THAT has generated some serious laughter.

Anyways, bottom line is that I feel that they didn't implicate the Afr guy b/c all 3 were involved... and if they did, he would turn around and implicate them knowing that they had ratted his ass out. I think they're all 'holding out' on the truth as they are maintaining hope for the appeals process.

I'm hoping the Afr guy will crack after his appeal trashed... and that he'll just simply spill the beans and then say what went down that night.

[MilfDriller]

PART 2 OF THE SUGGESTED EVENTS... BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION GATHERED

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2nd Nov.
Knox says that she woke about 10 am and she went to her own house by herself. She says that when she got there the door was open and this was unusual. She says she went to her room and changed for a shower. She took the shower and she noticed some blood. She says she went to the other bathroom in the house to use the hairdryer and she noticed the **** in the toilet. She says this was unusual.

She says she then took the mop to Sollecitos's flat because of the water on the floor: he did not have a mop. She says that they had breakfast (I think) and she told him of the things she had noticed at her home.

Knox said that she then decided to telephone her house mates and she spoke to Filomena and told her about what she had found at the house: this was at 12:08. She said she did that from Sollecito's house. She also said that she phoned Kerchner's phones and they just kept ringing.

Sollecito substantially concurs with this account but he says that they returned to the cottage and Knox's 12:08 phone call to Filomena was made from there.

Filomana says that she asked her b/f to go to the house as he could get there quicker than she could

It is not clear where they were when they phoned Filomena the first time.

The phone record shows that Knox did phone the victim but that the call lasted 3 seconds: Kercher's phone service has voice mail: no message was left

According to Knox they noticed the broken window when they arrived. They looked around the house. She says Filomena's door was closed when they arrived ( the room with the broken window) and that Kerchner's door was also closed. She says Kerchner always closed her door even if she was just going to the shower or whatever so she did not find that unusual and took it that Kerchner was sleeping or something.

Sollecito says that when they arrived Filomena's door was wide open. He says the toilet was clean of the ****. As noted he says that Knox now phoned Filomena and had not done so from his flat. Otherwise I think he substantially concurs with Knox

As noted the postal police arrived at 12:30 (according to their records) and were seen on CCTV arriving in their car at 12:25.

Sollecito told the police that he had already phoned the Carabinieri. His phone record shows he did not do so until 12:51.

Knox and Sollecito say the police did not arrive until 13:00.

At 12:34 Knox again called Filomena. Filomena says this was the third phone call but I am not clear about another one in between. In this phone call Filomana says that Knox told her about the window in her room being broken and the mess in there: Filomena asked her to call the police and she said she had already done so. She did not say the police were already there.

The presence of the police was a bizarre coincidence which could not have been predicted to happen. A woman who lived nearby went to the police station with a mobile phone found in her garden. She took it to the police because she had received a telephone bomb threat, subsequently shown to be a hoax.

After that the woman's daughter found a second phone in the garden One of those phones was registered to Kerchner and one to her house mate Filomena Romanelli. I cannot remember which one came first.

The postal police decided to visit the cottage about the first of the phones found but they did not take it with them: and the second phone had not yet reached the police station.

When they arrived they found Sollecito and Knox at the door with a mop.

Sollecito told them that they were worried because of the things Knox had discovered during her earlier visit.They said they had already called the Carabinieri.

Anything to change or add or any omissions you would like to fill in?

[MilfDriller]

I love this....

When they arrived they found Sollecito and Knox at the door with a mop.

I mean, you couldn't make this shit up for a crime novel.... and then expect it to be believable.

[MilfDriller]

CONTINUED...


2nd November cont'd

At 2 am Guerde was seen at the Domus nightclub, dancing. He is last confirmed as being there at 4:30 am. For clarity this was after the victim was dead but before the events of the morning proper: in a way it should be seen as part of the events of the night of the murder.


Knox and Sollecito say that while they were there, and before the police arrived, Sollecito had tried to open Kercher's door but found it locked. They say they tried to break it down but did not succeed

When the police arrived Knox and Sollecito told them about the state of the house and showed the police what they had found. Knox also supplied telephone numbers ( I think for her house mates). They told the police it was Kercher's habit to lock her door

At 12:47 on 2nd November Knox called her mother. The call lasted 88 seconds.

Knox denies remembering anything about this call. Her mother says that Knox told her a bit about the concerning things in the house and her mother then told her to call the police. Knox said that Sollecito was on the phone to his sister and she would call the police when he was done.

At 12:50 Sollecito called his sister who is a police officer. She also advises they call the police. At 12:51 he does call the police and apparently he does not get through: he called again at 12:54. This is from the phone record

At a little before 13:00 Filomena Romanelli arrived with her friends Paola Grande and Luca Altieri. Her boyfriend, Marco, and another friend were already there. Romanelli said that Knox and Sollecito emerged from Knox's bedroom after she arrived.

Filomena told the police that it was very unusual for Kercher to lock her door. Filomena also told the police about Kercher's phones (that they were both the victim's phones and Filomena had given her a sim card registered to Filomena)
After this discussion the police asked Luca Altieri to break down the door because they were not authorised to do so. Luca did so at about 1:15 pm. Neither Knox nor Sollecito were at the door at that point, having retired to the kitchen.

As soon as the door was open the police took charge of the scene and ordered everyone out of the house. So far as I am aware Sollecito did not enter it again. Neither he nor Knox saw anything of the room though I understand that they heard Romanelli exclaiming about a foot

I think that everyone who was there waited around for a while before the went to the police station but I do not have a time line for that, and if anyone else can help that would be good

[MilfDriller]

this is an account of the purchase of cleaning products... but I have read that it was discounted by store clerks. I have also read another account where the shop owner was giving quotes about how he say Amanda in the store.... but again, that was discounted.

Quote:
0745 Marc Quinto Valle, store owner. His two cashiers and helpers (two women) get there at 7:30am and begin to get ready for customers before opening time. He said as he was opening the security gate on the store, a girl was standing at the door with him waiting for the store to open. He remembers that she had a hat on, jeans, a scarf and a grey-white jacket. But most of all he remembers that she had blue, really blue eyes. He noticed because her skin was very pale. He opened the door said “buon giorno” she did not say anything and headed to the part of the store where they sell cleaning products, soap, towels, but also cups, coffee, misc. household items. He paid her no mind, but did see here eventually leave and head down the street in the direction of the piazza that leads to Via della Pergola. Since he was not at the cash register he did not serve her and could not say what she bought, and did not think to ask the cashier at the time

[bettilimbroke999]

So much bullshitting in this case its not hard to see why all 3 were convicted, I guess they figure eventually one of them will crack and say look here's what really happened and then go from there, whether AK is innocent or guilty of being an accomplice to murder who knows but she's so full of bullshit her eyes turned brown so she's gonna rot in an Italian jail until she or one of the other two guys comes clean (unless they're all bullshitting bc they're all part of it then they're right where they should be). It just seems if AK is really innocent (which I highly doubt at this point bc anyone else would've come clean already especially since her bf and Guede are already convicted so why protect them anymore if that's what she was doing) eventually she'll get tired of rotting in jail and tell the real story

Rumor has it Italian jailers are makin a mint chargin 5 bucks a pop for conjugal visits to AK

[MilfDriller]

The only hope for a true confession (even tho he is a liar) is from the Afr guy. Once his appeal is denied, hopefully he spills the beans.

The Bf, well, the guy is some Dung and Dragns pussy. Torture him for 25 minutes and he'll give up the events. Anyways, I imagine neither the bf or Amanda will ever speak.

Only hope is the Afr guy.

[ezmoney]

All 3 on DRUGS!

Knox was jealous of roommate, her story that she was screwing bf at his pad did
not add up, her cell phone off, think all 3 were high on drugs, African guy did the dirty work, Knox covered up body. GUILTY!

[PingPong]

but they said they found no dna of knox in the room where the murder took place right?

[eastvan09]

question and answers.... theories... Still looking for in understanding RG movements on the 2nd nov. Why did AK &RS do the clean up while RG went off dancing? Why does RG get an alibi of being out dancing? I find it hard to understand how they all came to this arrangement, it doesn't seem to make sense. When did RG leave town? Was it the next day, or later? Hi Angelstop. It was later, because Rudy was dancing in the Perugian night clubs the next night as well. As for Rudy, he simply fled the crime scene. It was the other two that decided on the cleaning job, independently of Rudy. Rudy wasn't in on either the discussion of a clean-up or the event. Call me sceptical but this doesn't seem to fit. 3 people who don't know each other that well, commit murder on the spur of the moment and then just split up and don't worry about it? Something would have been said or agreed between them all. If AK & RS wanted to set up RG why did AK put Patrick in the frame? What spooked RG to leave, did they sAy they framed him? If so why didn't they go through with it? Is this what RS meant when he said RG may make up strange things? I just can't get a grip on how they left it. You wouldn't just walk away and hope would you. No they either had or still do have an agreed plan, or they all weren't involved. That's why I see this as important to understand. Do you exactly when RG left town? It would be useful to place it with AK & RS visits to the police. Did hey meet up and discuss it before he left town? Maybe that could explain why Patrick was used. I just can't get my head round this bit A big Hi to all the new folks tonight who have actually contributed in a positive way to the discussion here. I have been treated most warmly and respectfully here as a newcomer and the level of discourse has been absolutely engrossing. I hope you will find it so also. So, ignoring for the minute how the crime came to take place and dealing with the aftermath, we start with bloodchilling scream that was heard by at least two witnesses. Then one witness hears multiple people running away immediately after in at least two different directions, another witness comes face to face with Rudy leaving the scene. Scared the sound of Meredith's dying scream will summon the police they have all fled, leaving the outer door flapping in the breeze. The vagrant Cortolo spots RS and AK again behaving strangely in the basketball court rail from which you can look down upon the cottage gate. Their heads are together, they are discussing something heatedly, he cannot hear what. They leave, instead of going towards him in the park, they disappear down the stair towards the cottage again. I believe they waited until certain no police had been called. They are already contriving their plan. At this point they know that RG has fled and will not return, why would he? But the cottage door is wide open and evidence of their involvement is perhaps spread throughout MK's room. They have decided to return to the house and stage the crime to frame RG as acting alone. They do a surprisingly good job, but they make critical mistakes, some logical as in the glass from the broken window being inside the room on top of clothing strewn about, others through being unfamiliar with how thoroughly forensic investigation can reveal cleaned up evidence, and finally other mistakes caused because they were interrupted before they were finished with their cleanup. I'm fairly certain they planned to get rid of the bloody bathmat, and it was certainly an error that they locked MKs room before first removing AK's lamp, leaving the cord sticking out from under the door into the hallway. They had all night long to script their morning plan which would have involved much more carefully scripted phone calls made in the correct order to Filomena, AKs mother, MKs cell phones, the police and others. They didn't get this chance and made their greatest mistakes after being forced to rush these activities when the telecom police arrived too early to stay true to their planning. I don't think they planned to frame Rudy Guede. I think they planned to frame "an intruder" - whom of course they did not know, had never met and gosh, gee whiz, wasn't AK lucky she wasn't the one who was at home that night! At some point after Nov 2nd they would be aware that RG had fled Italy, I read somewhere that AK and others were made aware that the hair from a black man had been found in MKs hand. Perhaps they planted it, but whether they did or not, AK was made aware that the police were seeking a black man. Patrick had just fired AK from the sophisticated and social job of serving drinks in his bar, and coincidentally just given that same job to Meredith. He was black, she was very resentful and angry at him and then there were the phone messages to and from him on that night. I think when confronted by police interrogators on Nov 5th, and told that RS was no longer providing her an alibi she switched to Plan B. After only 1 hour and 45min of questioning (not 53.. lol) she contrives a story that places the only other black man she knew in the role of perpetrator, whom she just happened to also be angry at, so she could punish yet another victim in one contrived story that she was well aware she could deny later on - after the damage was already done. She accomplished what she needed in that moment - to deflect attention from herself to give her more room to think. Knowing the RG had fled Italy, she might have hoped that his DNA and fingerprints were not on file and that he would Never be identified. Her story would be found to be false as of course Patrick would have an alibi. As soon as he would be proven not to have been involved, and therefore neither was she, then all that attention on her would be dropped. She could claim it had all been a horrible imagining forced into her brain by the "abuse" she claimed to have suffered at the hands of the police while being interrogated. And of course she would be believed because the forensics would not match Patrick thereby proving her total non-involvement. Unfortunately for her, they found RG. This was not her plan -I'm certain of it. In fact catching RG was the worst thing to happen to her plan because he could deny the lone wolf scheme and would be aware that they had doctored the crime scene to frame only him. So anyway, long shpiel.. They both framed RG because they never thought he would be identified, and AK framed Patrick to punish him and because once his innocence was proven she expected to be exonerated along with him. This would explain why she did not herself tell her lawyers or the authorities that she knew she was wrong about Patrick.. She Needed them to figure it out themselves.

You hit the nail on the head Milf driller! I am still reading through this page and then I will add more commentary. I'm catching up on a day's worth of AK posts! AK definetely manipulated everyone. The point about RS's DNA being "almost" absent except for the bra clasp is HIGHLY suspicious!

Why did AK's lawyer not force her and her parents/ family to dress appropriately! Perugia is not Milan but it is still ITALY! If you dress like a weirdo, that hurts your plea of innocence. Italy respects fashion and stlye, wear slacks and a skirt! Dress up for god's sakes.

[Chuck Sims]

Thanks MilfDrifter for the summary of events

[eastvan09]

And, ironically, part of that may be the gist of the whole Amanda trial. The bitch simply doesn't know any better and doesn't give a fvck. Same w/ her family and parents. She's in a major murder trial and she's wearing basically pajamas.... and her parents show up in court wearing shit clothes. It's almost like a basic lack of understanding of the fact that certain occasions require corresponding attire.... no wonder the bitch was doing cartwheels and the splits at the police station. And that's what I love about this crazy fvcking story... bitch doing cartwheels in the police station, killer taking a shit and just leaving it in the toilet w/ no flush or TP, Amanda fvcking some 50 year-old dude she had just met on the train in the train bathroom, Amanda and her bf waiting outside the house and the crime scene w/ a bucket and a mop..... that last one is an endless supply of entertainment. Police: What were you doing outside of the crime scene w/ a bucket and a mop? Amanda: Oh, nothing. Police: Sounds good. Have a nice day. Amanda: Wait! Officer, do you want to go for a train ride?

Getting discovered outside the crime scene with a bucket and mop? One instantly assumes they are both GUILTY of involvement on some level!

Police: Why are you walking up to the crime scene with that mop and bucket?
AK: No reason
Police: Ok, Thanks, ciao!

[MilfDriller]

I don't think the crime was in any way premeditated. She didn't know she was going to have the evening free. Moreover, were it to be a premed crime with the Afr guy, they would've had to methodically plan everything w/ a guy they were not intimately close to .. and Amanda had known her bf for just weeks anyways.

So the crime that occurred was spontaneous, an accident, or something that simply got out of control for whatever reason.

W/ this reasoning I find it hard to believe that they brought over the bf's knife from his apartment (a foot-long knife) and then took it back after the crime and left it in his place. Moreover, since the knife likely was not involved in the crime as they cannot match it all, I think it becomes immaterial.

I am a bit puzzled that w/ a violent rape and murder that the bf only left one trace of dna... did he wear gloves while they held her down and protect against all other forms of transfer? And the dna on the strap was discovered nearly 50 days after the initial run thru.... wouldn't they have grabbed such an obvious piece of evidence.

And why does Amanda have 0 dna in the room?

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guilty....kill her