AMANDA KNOX -- guilty or innocent???

[losturmarbles]

my theory on the shit left in the can is that Guede was hiding in the bathroom with Kercher in the house. He took the shit and didn't flush because she would've heard it. He then forgot to go back and flush it.

Isn't the shit toilet directly adjacent to Kercher's room?

[MilfDriller]

Yes, in the 3D image of post #328 you can see the bathroom next to the room w/ the body.

I'll go dig up the video made by the Italians of what the bathroom looked like, the dim bloody footprint, the specks of blood, etc.

Also, your explanation of the shit in the toilet is the one I agree w/... yet it is problematic. In some locales the toilet paper is not flushed down the toilet (most 3rd-world countries)... so this may be an explanation if this applied to that residence in Perugia.

Here is another video of the crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6y9k1FSZKY

[MilfDriller]

Btw, I slipped momentarily today and unintentionally banged my knuckles against the frame of a door and the top hinge. From this slight slip and contact with the hinge that was met with medium force I managed to cut my middle knuckle and release a decent amount of blood.

My point is this: How did Amanda/bf get into a life and death struggle w/ Meredith and yet they don't have a scratch on them? Nothing, nada, zilch.

Also, it has been documented that the Afr guy has a history of breaking into places w/ a knife. Same MO. I really don't know what is and what is not reality in this case so far (some things like the shit in the toilet are indisputable fact). My gut instinct is that the thug rapes and kills Meredith (Afr jizz found inside Meredith) w/ the threat of the knife... and then goes for the slish slash.

I just can't buy that the Afr guy rapes Meredith... and then Amanda/bf are in Meredith's room taunting her w/ the knife and then go for the slash.

[AMBlai01]

Milf....I am a bit scared for you. You are a bit obsessed with this case......

[MilfDriller]

My goal is simply to free Rudy Goodday. This is a present day OJ case where an innocent man has been accused....

"If the jizz and the shit at the crime scene do not fit, you must acquit."

[losturmarbles]

not a fan of Ann Coulter, but this is a decent video on the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfFh8AdC8Pk

that's really disappointing, coulter claims you have to go to europe to get the facts and then goes into biased parroting of the prosecution's theories.

for the record it was the police that suggested knox's boss was the killer during her interrogation, not knox. the police suggested it because she sent him a text saying "see you later".
and she also recanted that confession a few hours later, not weeks.

[MilfDriller]

that's really disappointing, coulter claims you have to go to europe to get the facts and then goes into biased parroting of the prosecution's theories.

for the record it was the police that suggested knox's boss was the killer during her interrogation, not knox. the police suggested it because she sent him a text saying "see you later".
and she also recanted that confession a few hours later, not weeks.

I understand the police's line of questioning at times went to 'if you were there, what would you imagine to happen?' ... and then they had her create scenarios. Obviously, I'm not a fan of that line of questioning.

I have read from a reliable poster on another site that she did not recant her statement regarding Lumbbubumbbubu's involvement during the whole time he was in jail for 14 days.

Much of this case is 'he said, she said'.... so I personally can't verify what are the true 'facts' ... Others have documented and examined this angle extensively (over a 2 yr period of time) and they are not on the side of Amanda regarding the implicating of her boss.

Again, I can't rightfully say either way....

I could make an argument either way (for her or for the police). Anyways, implicating her boss is not something that really concerns me... as I don't think it's really crucial to the murder.

If killed Meredith... ah yes, she's deflecting.

If she didn't .... ah yes, cops cornered her and made her blabble out shit.


In the end, I think it's not as important as the things that transpired at the house.

[DOMINATER]

not guilty , framed

[DOMINATER]

milf, saw alot of news on this case she was framed so we know to things about Italians they dont make good soldiers or cops, oh I can sat that Im Italian.

[MilfDriller]

here is a video of the bathroom.... > the murder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n71ZJPBq8uk

[MilfDriller]

I don't understand why they can't match up the footprint of 2:13...

Anyways, I can't think of any logical explanation why the AFr guy would leave his jizz, prints, dna, and shit at the crime scene... then stick around to clean up most everything else. What sense does that make?

And it's clearly obvious from the bloody footprint on the mat that there was a great deal of blood and a large mess everywhere else... but it has been cleaned pretty much as good as can be.

The only person that benefits from the cleaning is Amanda. Obviously, the Afr guy knows exactly what happened.... but he's not talking.

Just cannot grasp the incredible bravado and carefree attitude of Knox in her court appearances. If she is somehow innocent, then I could believe her. Yet if she is guilty, she is pulling off or has pulled off one of the best court performances ever. It is absolutely amazing.

[MilfDriller]

better shot of the bloody footprint is at 2:39.

how is that not intact and not enuff to match w/ Amanda, bf, or Afr guy?

And given her statement that she used the bath mat to slide across the floor after the shower... that's impossible... unless she went back and put the mat back at the precise place where the bloody heel imprint on the floor matches w/ the bloody imprint from the front of the foot on the mat.

and the blood in the bidet?

[MilfDriller]

Unless the Afr guy brought a buddy along to do the crime... and his buddy cleaned up after him.... I don't see how this could be anybody but Amanda.

I am just still amazed by her presence in court. Going to have to find some clips where she is talking in court and it appears that she is lying.

[BadNina]

What if the footprint doesn't match any of them?

[MilfDriller]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FVebsIiTn8&feature=related

[MilfDriller]

If the footprint doesn't match any of them, then it was surely Shanty. Neighbors reported hearing somebody getting analed in a flying skyward manner while some crazy man was shouting vehemently, 'What say you?! What say you?!'

[MilfDriller]

fotos of the house and around the area.

http://truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmkphotosperugia

[MilfDriller]

looks like an innocent young woman

[MilfDriller]

It seems like that window on that side of the house isn't well lit. If it gets dark at 5, two hours of nobody home, break-in at 7.. could have even waited for a car to go by to mask the sound.

If it was guede, then there is a reason for not taking the valuables; didn't he get busted in a prior case precisely because he was found with a laptop he stole? Would he repeat that error a second time? Theoretically, he breaks in, at some point uses the bathroom without using the brush in the same way the victim tells amanda too, then gets interrupted by the victim coming home. Afterwards, he's running out the door and wouldn't stop to grab stuff on the way out. Just a scenario.


The main problem with your scenario is that no one was able to demonstrate that anyone except maybe Spiderman could have gotten in that way. You might want to view Kermit's powerpoint presentation.

Second problem, whoever killed Meredith did not run out the door. He/they cleaned up the crime scene, took the victim's bra off, put a duvet over her, etc.

The bottom line is that the defense was unable to show that the break-in was not staged. People who work in insurance fraud are trained to spot staged burglaries, and so are the police; it really isn't that difficult. Especially in this case.

Incidentally, the lone burglar you imagine did take cell phones, which are much harder to resell and much easier to trace than laptops.

Just one question: why do you think Knox's DNA is mixed with Meredith's blood in Filomena's room, which just happens to be where the staged break-in was? Knox says this door was closed when she came home and removed her shoes to shower, so it doesn't make sense that she would have walked in there barefoot at that stage.

I'm still intrigued by something Max said: Knox says there was not enough blood to be alarmed enough not to shower, while Sollecito tells police there was blood all over. And Sollecito knew that nothing had been stolen before the police did. Very odd.

Finally, Guede did not really get busted in the way you suggest. He had a stolen laptop, but said he had bought it from someone. Strangely, he went to the law firm from which it was stolen to tell the guy he had not stolen it. This is very odd behavior for a thief, I think. Rudy Guede may well have stolen it. But he wasn't charged with that offense. As I noted yesterday, any one of us could have climbed in through the law office window, though whoever did knew how to disable the alarm system. I don't think I could do that.

[MilfDriller]

The break-in was clearly staged.

“Prosecutors showed photographs of shattered glass on top of scattered clothes, in an attempt to convince the jury that the room had been turned upside down first, then that a rock had been thrown through the window.” (Andrea Vogt, The Seattle Post-Intelligencer.

Gioia Brocci, of the Perugia forensic police, explained how she photographed the crime scene starting from the outside of the house. She claimed that there were no traces of someone attempting to climb up the outer wall to get in through the broken window.

Giacinto Profazio, who now leads the narcotics division in Rome, stated the following:

“A window was pointed out to me, which was broken and which was said to have been the point of entry, but I thought it was strange as it would have needed a superhuman effort to climb up to it".

No-one managed to scale the wall AND climb through the window when Sollecito's defence attempted to show that it was possible.

Amanda Knox definitely staged the break-in. There was a mixture of her DNA and Meredith's blood on the floor in Filomena's room.

[MilfDriller]

Amanda Knox also told Filomena that there was blood eveywhere:

"She told me, ‘It’s very odd. I’ve just come back to the house and the door is open. I had a shower but there’s blood everywhere . . . Meredith is nowhere to be seen. Oh God, maybe something’s happened to her, something tragic.’

“I thought it was odd that she’d had a shower when there was blood all over the place,” she told the chief prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini, during cross-examination. “I really don’t think that’s normal.”

Police forensic experts later found numerous traces of blood in the bathroom including a 10in-long smear on the floor." (John Follian, The Times).

[MilfDriller]

Someone the size of RG got himself up onto the ledge and through that window when there was still glass in it? Without disturbing the glass cutting himself and leaving blood? Also 1. RG was only found with a laptop which was originally stolen from a lawyers office. The only other purported 'break-in' was of the school he was discovered in, told to leave and left amicably. 2. He knew the occupants of the house - why would he break in to that specific house? It increases the risk of being identified and discovered. Why would he break in through an inaccessible window after throwing a rock through it obviously and loudly. His actions would be visible from the road. Meredith Kercher was not sexually assaulted - it was made to look like she had (by RS). What about the wound or wounds to RG's hand (photographed by Koblenz police) ... defensive wounds? Did RG fight Sollecito? 3. If he broke in to accost Meredith Kercher why would he go through a window? She would have heard the breaking glass and would have been able to exit the house. I believe also that window is not the most obvious nefarious entry point to the cottage. So he broke in to steal? But nothing was taken not even obvious lightweight expensive items. So he was disturbed in a burglary by Meredith Kercher? I do not believe that would warrant RG killing her. RG couldn't be sure the cottage was empty. No. AK/RS/RG were friends. They were even at a bar, all together, that night. RG was useful to Soll. because he could get drugs. Soll. had enough money for drugs (Soll. had enough money for most things). There were possibly other reasons RG was around. AK was "sexually precocious".

[MilfDriller]

everything on this case centers around this:

[MilfDriller]

If he had broken in at 7 he would've left long before anyone came back, unless he was on the John for 2 hours. It's not like he knew Meredith's or Amanda's schedule (or the other 2 roommates', either), that he could predict when they would be returning home.

Presumably he broke in to steal stuff. If not the laptops, then what? There's a good reason why he allegedly stole 2 laptops previously - they have a good ratio of value to weight and size. If anything, if he hadn't learned not to burglarize from previous run-ins with the law, why would he have learned not to steal laptops?

Why would he use the bathroom in a house he was burglarizing? Why not just grab some things and wait until he returned home, which wasn't that far away. Unless you think he broke in in order to use the bathroom.

If he ran out after the crime, who did the clean-up? If he patiently had time to clean-up, either directly after the murder or several hours later after returning to the scene, why didn't he steal anything except 2 phones? If he was so concerned about not stealing anything that would reveal his presence at the crime scene, why on earth would he steal the victim's phones?!

[MilfDriller]

Well, certainly the unflushed toilet may be an indication that he was interrupted, but this, if anything, just supports his own story. It's very unlikely that he would've used the toilet in the house if he had broken in, and if he used if after the murder, why did he wait so long before suddenly rushing out? And what spooked him? It's not like anyone came to the house between then and the next day, under the scenario that AK wasn't involved. Moreover, would he really have used the toilet just after having killed someone, in the same house no less? Or did he kill her, run away, come back hours later to clean up, clean up a few prints made by someone else, then take a dump, and then suddenly run out, but not before grabbing the phones and locking MK's door, which would've required him going in the opposite direction from the bathroom he was using than would be necessary to flee out the front door.

[MilfDriller]

A scenario could be put forth the windows weren't actually latched, which Guede found out only after throwing a rock through it. Also, Did they dust the latch for prints? I'd seen the powerpoint suggesting the climb was too high, but wasn't convinced from that presentation, even before I'd seen the photo of the guy standing on the window below reaching up to the bedroom window. As a follow up to that, I tried to hunt down how tall Guede actually is, but have only seen multiple references that he is "Tall". So, has it been proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that the break-in was staged? No. Does that mean I then believe the converse, that it was real? No. What happens next is where this storyline gets implausible; this sequence of events would have Guede sitting around while the victim spoke on the phone with her mother.

My approach is I'm trying to critically look at the evidence and not pre-judge based on other facts, theories, or judgements. Otherwise I would just hop on the bandwagon made up of many lazy americans (including some of its media) who yell about "no DNA" yet let Scott Peterson sit on death row.

[MilfDriller]

Three people who have only known each other for very few months end up engaging in a brutal senseless murder with no clear story, nor deals for testimony emerging from any of them though they're in two separate trials. Essentially its a conspiracy with little time before the murder to get to that level of mutual cooperation. I'm not saying its not the case- just that its the most improbable of events.

[MilfDriller]

I think during this whole time I've wanted to believe she's innocent.

I cannot sustain that belief. She is guilty.

I don't think Amanda will ever tell the truth. The Afr guy? He's just a lying, gangbanging thug. He prolly thinks in his mind he's innocent.

Maybe the only chance the truth is revealed is if the bf steps up. What a pity.

[morocca]

gill tee

[topgame85]

My personal opinion is that she very well may have experienced a blackout as I have many a time and the reason my alcohol intake is now very minimal,

I have woken up many mornings after a heavy heavy night of drinking to have no idea immediately where I was or what had happened the night before............ first you feel like shit sometimes you are not in your bed or even at your house and then you get a strange feeling.................. you take a few minutes to adjust and remember what you can which is uasually an hr or two into your drinking which segways into a blurry time of minimal memory and eventually complete loss of a large time period...... at this point as someone whom has experienced blackouts often on many occasions you begin to second guess yourself and do detective work similar to the movie the Hangover checking pockets to see whats in them checking phone for texts and calls to see who you interacted with calling whoever you were with originally the night before and asking the classic "what the fck happened last night." Now you never know what you will have gotten.... many times I hear you were hilarious was a great time life of the party bla bla and other times its you got in a fight you were a prick you spilled shit all over the carpet... can be a huge mixed bag. You also wonder if anything illegal was done by you because whether good or bad you realize you had no control of your actions so what else could the "blacked out" you have done..... Did I hurt someone? did I steal something? did I walk into the wrong house? Now the answer to these questions are all almost always NO yet could easily be YES, you never know 100% until A. you get arrested or B. you talk to someone who explains exactly what happened and in the unfortunate instance where someone can't vouch 100% as to your every move yet you don't get arrested you just wait and pray you did't do anything horrible. The thing about blackouts is you are not you whether more or less fun, violent, talkative etc etc nor do you remember "who" you were. She easily could have blacked out and had that bad feeling the next day only to realize her roomate was dead and thought she had done it...... and who knows maybe she did.... or maybe she just happened to be a victim to alcohol and this horrible thing happened with her being no part.... This is the real problem IMO as someone who has been through blackouts if i woke up and found a body in my house I would so my god WTF have I done and made up a story in my head which as you know when someone does this they almost always get caught lying or changing the story around, now lets imagine for a second that you did not commit the crime, it just so happens the night you blacked out someone else raped/killed your roomate.... you may never know for certain if you helped or could have stopped it or if you were just passed out wasted because that is the trick alcohol plays on your mind when you in effect "poison" yourself by drinking far too much....This is an impossible case and my guess is noone will never know for sure what happened or who is innocent or guilty either way the Rudy guy is where he should be and the other two took a chance and lost if they are innocent I hope they are freed but to be honest who knows

[MilfDriller]

Very sinister bitch. Read this.

Soon after she was jailed on November 6, Knox wrote the two-page account in which she described the supposed conversation on Sollecito’s bed.

“This is what happened - I swear it,” she wrote. She spent the evening at the home of Sollecito. “I checked my e-mails on his computer for a time and then I read him a bit of Harry Potter in German. We watched [the film] Amélie and we kissed each other a bit,” Knox continued.

After dinner, Sollecito said he wanted to smoke cannabis and the two talked on his bed “about the kinds of people we were”. Knox added: “Raffaele told me about his past. About how he had a horrible experience with drugs and alcohol.”

Claiming in her account to have consoled Sollecito when he blamed himself for not having been at his depressed mother’s side before she committed suicide, Knox outlined her own philosophy of life.

“I told him that life is full of choices and that these choices are not necessarily between good and evil, but between what’s better and what’s worse, and that what we all must do is that which we believe is best.”

Knox concluded: “It was a very long conversation but it happened and it must have happened while Meredith was being killed.”

[iceminers26]

who the heck knows anymore, the girl is hiding something

[MilfDriller]

Barbie Nadeau concludes in a Daily Beast report that the mixture of Knox’s DNA and Meredith’s blood in Filomena’s room seems more incriminating than the double DNA knife: “But perhaps more damning even than the knife was Stefanoni’s testimony that a mix of Knox’s DNA and Kercher’s blood was found on the floor in the bedroom of a third roommate, Filomena Romanelli.”

The mix of Amanda Knox's DNA and Meredith's blood on the floor in Filomena's room and the shards of glass on top of the clothes is proof that Knox was involved in Meredith's murder and staged the break-in. It's not surprising that Knox's defence team didn't want to bring it up in court.

[MilfDriller]

I know.

She's a cold-blooded killer. Simply, purely, and utterly amazing.

[MilfDriller]

There is evidence that RG opened Meredith's purse - her blood inside and his fingerprints on the clasp I believe.


So after the Afr dude raped and killed her... he went thru her purse. What a sick gangbanger.