Matchbook update

[Hareeba!]

Ok, for all you disbelievers and those too lazy to look for themselves. Here are the current ML odds from BF and MB on the games yet to start today:

Looking to bet a minimum of $1000:

Mil @ Col
BF $816 only 1.96; MB -105
1.99; +103

Tex @ Sea
1.83; -117
$725 only 2.14; +114

Mil @ Col
2.24; +132
1.72; -133

[QQPALLADIUM]

20k traded on tex/sea on bf...and the bids and offers at mb just sit there and never change the amounts offered so we know that no one is trading...$3582 at +116 sits and sits and sits...

[Hareeba!]

20k traded on tex/sea on bf...and the bids and offers at mb just sit there and never change the amounts offered so we know that no one is trading...$3582 at +116 sits and sits and sits...

more irrelevant information

my point as proven is that if you are betting you will be able to get more on at better odds than you can at BF

you want to put $1k on Tex ?

where are you going to go ?

[QQPALLADIUM]

more irrelevant information

my point as proven is that if you are betting you will be able to get more on at better odds than you can at BF

you want to put $1k on Tex ?

where are you going to go ?

ghostbusters...

[Hareeba!]

ghostbusters...

So you're conceding the point I've been making all along .. thanks

[QQPALLADIUM]

So you're conceding the point I've been making all along .. thanks

your welcome...one day when i get out of middle school i hope to be just like you...

[Hareeba!]

your welcome...one day when i get out of middle school i hope to be just like you...

an appropriately childish response

[QQPALLADIUM]

an appropriately childish response

good night...have fun at your NAMBLA meeting...

[Hareeba!]

good night...have fun at your NAMBLA meeting...

If you and a few of the other gutless posters on this forum are typical of Americans is it any wonder that wherever one travels in the world, America is so despised ?

[todd73nj]

Ok, for all you disbelievers and those too lazy to look for themselves. Here are the current ML odds from BF and MB on the games yet to start today:

Looking to bet a minimum of $1000:

Mil @ Col
BF $816 only 1.96; MB -105
1.99; +103

Tex @ Sea
1.83; -117
$725 only 2.14; +114

Mil @ Col
2.24; +132
1.72; -133

20k traded on tex/sea on bf...and the bids and offers at mb just sit there and never change the amounts offered so we know that no one is trading...$3582 at +116 sits and sits and sits...

more irrelevant information

my point as proven is that if you are betting you will be able to get more on at better odds than you can at BF

you want to put $1k on Tex ?

where are you going to go ?

Im not sure about his other posts - But QQ is right about the MB prices just sitting there and never getting hit.

On Betfair, SF did 60k pre game ML, and 4k on the total and 1.5 lines. Tex did 27k on the ML, 6k on the total and 1.5s.

So just using the two late games - which I doubt are as popular as the earlier games from a betting stand point on ANY site.. thats 97k at Betfair, $43,500 per game.

For one - there is no way MB trades this. The MMer blocks dont even get touched throughout the day. If you see a block and take a few hundred, it never replenished. So when you see that $3000 there at 4pm, and still there at game time you know why.

If MB ever traded $45,000 on a game - with an average of 10 games per day (2 days usually dont have the full 14 games) - that would be $3.1 million traded per week in baseball. I think MB is what? .5% and 1%? So if you average that out MB is profiting $24,000 a week in commissions on baseball.

Pretty lucrative business for someone to go belly up and be forced to sell.

But they arent doing anywhere near those kinds of numbers, and are most likely involved in the actual trading.

But believe what you want. Anything that lucrative is not the readily available.

[Hareeba!]

Im not sure about his other posts - But QQ is right about the MB prices just sitting there and never getting hit.

On Betfair, SF did 60k pre game ML, and 4k on the total and 1.5 lines. Tex did 27k on the ML, 6k on the total and 1.5s.

So just using the two late games - which I doubt are as popular as the earlier games from a betting stand point on ANY site.. thats 97k at Betfair, $43,500 per game.

For one - there is no way MB trades this. The MMer blocks dont even get touched throughout the day. If you see a block and take a few hundred, it never replenished. So when you see that $3000 there at 4pm, and still there at game time you know why.

If MB ever traded $45,000 on a game - with an average of 10 games per day (2 days usually dont have the full 14 games) - that would be $3.1 million traded per week in baseball. I think MB is what? .5% and 1%? So if you average that out MB is profiting $24,000 a week in commissions on baseball.

Pretty lucrative business for someone to go belly up and be forced to sell.

But they arent doing anywhere near those kinds of numbers, and are most likely involved in the actual trading.

But believe what you want. Anything that lucrative is not the readily available.

Look, neither of us know what MB holds. You are only guessing. I couldn't care less.

BUT IT IS UTTERLY IRRELEVANT TO MY ARGUMENT !!!

As demonstrated by the odds and liquidity I posted today, anyone wanting to bet would surely have done so at MB on EVERY ONE of those teams!

IS THAT SO HARD TO COMPREHEND ?

Having proved that it is of course hard to understand why BF would have more volume but I don't wish to get into an argument on that point.

[todd73nj]

Look, neither of us know what MB holds. You are only guessing. I couldn't care less.

BUT IT IS UTTERLY IRRELEVANT TO MY ARGUMENT !!!

As demonstrated by the odds and liquidity I posted today, anyone wanting to bet would surely have done so at MB on EVERY ONE of those teams!

IS THAT SO HARD TO COMPREHEND ?

Having proved that it is of course hard to understand why BF would have more volume but I don't wish to get into an argument on that point.

Betfair in the 4 late MLB games, 50k+, 40k+, 34k+, 28k+. So I guess that everyone that trades there must be an utter moron. Because accorinding to you MB is better.

And lets say that is the case - Maybe they are all at Betfair for some other reason? Stability? Safety?

Dont care what argument you are making, MB is not doing those kind of #s.

And no one buys Goodyear tires for their front, and then goes and buys Michelin for the back. So they arent trading pregame at MB, then in game at Betfair.

[todd73nj]

And fwiw right now..

MB has 1 price posted on each over night game - with all amounts between $164 and $258.

Bf has full markets on every game (At least 3 deep) Totalling at least double in most cases 3 or 4 times what MB has offered. (ML total, and 1.5 line.) And even the prices are better than MB in many cases

But I dont want to do it Hareeba style and type in information on one single game to prove one book has more liquidity.

Is there anyway to get all Betfair markets onto one page to screen shot them? Seems like I need to click into each one individually.

[Santo]

They (used to?) have a coupon, but that doesn't get you all the volume information

[Monte]

I hate how this forum is moderated, they are discussing Betfair in a "Matchbook update" thread.
This forum is a bloody mess and unenjoyable.

[bookie]

I hate how this forum is moderated, they are discussing Betfair in a "Matchbook update" thread.
This forum is a bloody mess and unenjoyable.

But it does serve a heckva pizza!

[Hareeba!]

Betfair in the 4 late MLB games, 50k+, 40k+, 34k+, 28k+. So I guess that everyone that trades there must be an utter moron. Because accorinding to you MB is better.

And lets say that is the case - Maybe they are all at Betfair for some other reason? Stability? Safety?

Dont care what argument you are making, MB is not doing those kind of #s.

And no one buys Goodyear tires for their front, and then goes and buys Michelin for the back. So they arent trading pregame at MB, then in game at Betfair.

ffs!

My one consistent theme (a concept which you appear to have NFI idea about) is where I can get the best odds for the stake I wish to place.

AND ALMOST EVERY TIME IT IS MATCHBOOK

NOT BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE BUT BECAUSE I WANT THE BEST VALUE FOR MY DOLLAR

If I find a better opportunity at Betfair I'll let you know. But don't hold your breath.

[Hareeba!]

I hate how this forum is moderated, they are discussing Betfair in a "Matchbook update" thread.
This forum is a bloody mess and unenjoyable.

If you don't enjoy it don't read it.

This has all come about because Todd hates Matchbook so much that he just won't admit to the fact that Betfair doesn't offer as good an opportunity to bet on major US sports as does MB and that he has attempted to make out that I am a fool for suggesting what is a demonstrable fact day after day.

I am not going to let him prevail. He's dead wrong. Simple as that.

[todd73nj]

ffs!

My one consistent theme (a concept which you appear to have NFI idea about) is where I can get the best odds for the stake I wish to place.

AND ALMOST EVERY TIME IT IS MATCHBOOK

NOT BECAUSE I WANT IT TO BE BUT BECAUSE I WANT THE BEST VALUE FOR MY DOLLAR

If I find a better opportunity at Betfair I'll let you know. But don't hold your breath.

I will do what you NEVER do.

Provide actual data - not typed in - not from a source I cannot provide. But pictures.

Just took a screen shot of the next 4 games at MB, Attached below. Why 4 games? Because thats what fits on the screen at one time. Then took 4 separate screen shots from BetFair of the same games. If someone can show me how to do multiple markets on one screen at BF, I will be happy to do all of them.

Not sure your theory quite as clear as the one hand picked typed game attempted to make it, Hareeba.

MB/BF
Philly, -133 vs -134
Mets +130 vs +129
Equal Amounts Available

Pitt +114 vs +112
Hou -117 vs -115
More available at MB

Stl -120 vs -120
Cinn +117 v +116
Equal amounts available

Wash +175 vs +178
Atl -182 vs -184
Equal amounts Available

So when I look at that:

1 Same line
3 MB Better by 1 cent
1 MB Better by 2 cents
1 MB Better by 3 cents
1 BetFair Better by 2 cents
1 BetFair Better by 3 cents

So if I had to pick where I wanted my money - and all that mattered to be was a penny in some cases - and I didnt care about security or my money or wanting to be able to actually trade my position in game, go with a brand new company with no history, I guess Id go with MB.

But if I wanted to obtain pretty equal odds (and in some cases better), and use the biggest book/exchange in the world that is actually quoted by many outlets for prices, have complete security of my money, have a history of A/A+ SBR rating, AND have an ability to trade my position at any time during the game - Its a no brainer.


I know the next comment - the commissions - blah blah. You get what you pay for. Security of funds. Being able to bail out of a wager live. One savings a money on a 5-0 baseball game that you bail out of - and you just covered the extra you paid in commissions.

[Hareeba!]

Boston @ Tampa only minutes before the start

+134 MB over $9600 available
2.36 BF $567 available

where would you bet ?

already told you I'm not a geek and have no idea how to post screen shots and can't be bothered

if you don't believe my figures you're calling me a liar

the last batch I chose were not hand picked they were EVERY game still to be played

it would be quite extraordinary to say the least that every game I'm interested in playing are the only ones which are better at MB

and again you just can't stick to the subject can you ?

the ONLY issue I've been arguing is that MB offers better prices and liquidity far more often than BF

you've clearly lost that argument and now start talking about security!

don't go preaching to me about Betfair .. if you'd been reading my posts for the past few years I doubt you'd find a greater Betfair advocate on this forum .. if there were only one book I was allowed it would be Betfair hands down no contest ... but when it comes to major pro US sports Matchbook is clearly the better option

I can play at both .. you can't
I know .. you don't

[QQPALLADIUM]

http://www.wikihow.com/Post-a-Screenshot-in-the-Forums

post your mb plays and then you can prove your point....

[Hareeba!]

http://www.wikihow.com/Post-a-Screenshot-in-the-Forums

post your mb plays and then you can prove your point....

so you too are calling me a liar ?
then it wouldn't matter if I did post screenshots .. you'd only accuse me of doctoring them too

I've already proved it .. at least to those half intelligent enough ... or not too lazy to check it out for themselves

I made 4 plays today .. 3 at MB and one at Pinnacle .. BF just wasn't up to the mark price/volume wise on any of them

[LostBankroll]

Matchy is done.

[Hareeba!]

Matchy is done.

for Americans yes .. but for everyone else it still remains the best place for straight betting on US pro-sports

[QQPALLADIUM]

so you too are calling me a liar ?
then it wouldn't matter if I did post screenshots .. you'd only accuse me of doctoring them too

I've already proved it .. at least to those half intelligent enough ... or not too lazy to check it out for themselves

I made 4 plays today .. 3 at MB and one at Pinnacle .. BF just wasn't up to the mark price/volume wise on any of them

what were you 4 plays?

[Hareeba!]

what were you 4 plays?

does it matter?

3 still playing and so far encouraging
Boston a winner

[QQPALLADIUM]

you talk about how great you are and the great prices you get but back it up with nada

[Monte]

If you don't enjoy it don't read it.

This has all come about because Todd hates Matchbook so much that he just won't admit to the fact that Betfair doesn't offer as good an opportunity to bet on major US sports as does MB and that he has attempted to make out that I am a fool for suggesting what is a demonstrable fact day after day.

I am not going to let him prevail. He's dead wrong. Simple as that.

All iam saying is that a Mod should move his lazy useless butt and split this thread, you can discuss all you want iam not bothered. But in the industry forum it should be a bit more serious don't you think, if we want Player's Talk niveau here...fine.

[QQPALLADIUM]

he's a loser...so successful as a gambler....so does he spend his winnings on drugs , women, travel,???....no he spends every waking moment on sbr....

[Hareeba!]

he's a loser...so successful as a gambler....so does he spend his winnings on drugs , women, travel,???....no he spends every waking moment on sbr....

how childish

[QQPALLADIUM]

how childish

guess you are waiting for the other 3 games to finish before you post your lines...good night...have fun posting all day...hopefully mb pays you by the post...

[todd73nj]

Boston @ Tampa only minutes before the start

+134 MB over $9600 available
2.36 BF $567 available

where would you bet ?

already told you I'm not a geek and have no idea how to post screen shots and can't be bothered

if you don't believe my figures you're calling me a liar

the last batch I chose were not hand picked they were EVERY game still to be played

it would be quite extraordinary to say the least that every game I'm interested in playing are the only ones which are better at MB

and again you just can't stick to the subject can you ?

the ONLY issue I've been arguing is that MB offers better prices and liquidity far more often than BF

you've clearly lost that argument and now start talking about security!

don't go preaching to me about Betfair .. if you'd been reading my posts for the past few years I doubt you'd find a greater Betfair advocate on this forum .. if there were only one book I was allowed it would be Betfair hands down no contest ... but when it comes to major pro US sports Matchbook is clearly the better option

I can play at both .. you can't
I know .. you don't

Last time you posted 2 games - and they were not all the last games to be played.

Today you posted one game.

I took all that fit on one screen.

And if you are telling the truth - someone gave you instructions to taking a screen shot.

I understand you are arguing MB has better prices and liquidity - but I have PROVED - with a PICTURE - they they do not . They are very very equal in both of those areas.

And in every other area Betfair trounces MB. Reliability, Backing, Rating, Cash On hand, Live in Game trades, Markets in EVERY obscure sport you can find, etc etc etc.

MB has one advantage over Betfair.. Commission. But thats very relative in my opinion. You want a top quality insurance company - you pay a higher premium. You want to jump thru hoops.. go with the cheapest you can find.

[bookie]

Isn't Hareeba just saying that IF you have money in both places than once in a while you'll get a better price at MB? I don't hear him, Todd, as arguing that MB is better in some absolute sense. His argument is more "no MB doesn't suck" than anything affirmative. Lot of heat and not a lot of light in this exchange.

[Hareeba!]

Last time you posted 2 games - and they were not all the last games to be played.

ANOTHER LIE

Post #386 .. there were just 3 games non started - I posted odds/volume for each of them.

Today you posted one game.

I took all that fit on one screen.

And if you are telling the truth - someone gave you instructions to taking a screen shot.

so what ?
you are calling me a liar if you don't believe the figures I quoted
if I posted a screenshot you'd probably accuse me of doctoring it

I understand you are arguing MB has better prices and liquidity - but I have PROVED - with a PICTURE - they they do not . They are very very equal in both of those areas.

I've proven that MB beats BF almost every time

And in every other area Betfair trounces MB. Reliability, Backing, Rating, Cash On hand, Live in Game trades, Markets in EVERY obscure sport you can find, etc etc etc.

IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE AND WHAT YOU ACCUSED ME OF BEING WRONG ABOUT.

AND IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ WHAT I POSTED THIS MORNING YOU ARE NOW AGREEING WITH ME!

MB has one advantage over Betfair.. Commission. But thats very relative in my opinion. You want a top quality insurance company - you pay a higher premium. You want to jump thru hoops.. go with the cheapest you can find.

AND ODDS AND VOLUME

[Hareeba!]

Don't really know why I bother but just for the hell of it I've taken a look at just a couple of games this early in the piece.

Bos @ TB
If you want to back Boston you can get over $3k -135 at MB
At BF the best you can do is 1.67 for $144
If you fancy TB you can get over $1600 at +131
At BF just $40 @ 2.38 then you have to go down to 2.28 for a further $342

I won't bore you with the other game I looked at (CWS @ Det) but it's a similar story

I'd love someone to have a look for themselves at these and post your comments because I know Todd is just going to call me a liar because I'm not posting a screenshot. Of course if I did that he'd claim I'd doctored it.