Matchbook update

[Hareeba!]

That question was asked to MB Mike.

Well I didn't see it and maybe Mike didn't either.

The fact that you blindly trust a book - an online gambling website is beyond me. Anyone I start out with I start out with basically nothing in my account till I feel they have a history.

Blindly ?

I take advice from a trusted source before I send money to any book. On top of that I do my own research. I found no evidence of MB ever stiffing anyone and all reports were of very prompt payouts. And that has certainly been confirmed by my own experience.

[QQPALLADIUM]

matchbook mike says they do 3-4m a day in bases...bf post their totals...ts did...mb doesn't....

[Bill Dozer]

We met with them in Dublin and think they have a good plan but more importantly, a good backing. Matchbook would have been upgraded earlier but we couldn't do it when they technically were in debt to players. They just paid out millions. The B rating for the new MB group is right on.

[Foosball Champ]

In the long run Matchbook needs the U.S. market. As they cannot compete toe to toe in the foreign markets against betfair.

[geebert74]

Im still pissed about the $7.00 they owe me...

[QQPALLADIUM]

exactly geebert74...if they have millions in backing they could have paid promptly, without charging fees, gave back commission credits, etc...

[Hareeba!]

In the long run Matchbook needs the U.S. market. As they cannot compete toe to toe in the foreign markets against betfair.

when it comes to US sports they are already more that competitive with Betfair

Pinnacle appears to be managing just fine without the US market.

what they need most of all is alternative currencies to the USD

I see no good reason why they can't prove to be truly competitive on a wider range of sports. Probably the worst thing they could do would be to attempt to take Betfair on head to head across the board too early.

[QQPALLADIUM]

pinny has a pristine rep...mb dk...simple as that

[geebert74]

It's a shitty situation for all... Were all going to move forward with this and Matchbook will be behind us in the dust...

The US cannot shut down all the sites... There will always be sites out there for the customers... If not we will all have to go find a bookie and get shitty odds and make decisions we dont want to make...

[todd73nj]

Well I didn't see it and maybe Mike didn't either.



Blindly ?

I take advice from a trusted source before I send money to any book. On top of that I do my own research. I found no evidence of MB ever stiffing anyone and all reports were of very prompt payouts. And that has certainly been confirmed by my own experience.

A trusted source that of course cannot be verified.

matchbook mike says they do 3-4m a day in bases...bf post their totals...ts did...mb doesn't....

We met with them in Dublin and think they have a good plan but more importantly, a good backing. Matchbook would have been upgraded earlier but we couldn't do it when they technically were in debt to players. They just paid out millions. The B rating for the new MB group is right on.

when it comes to US sports they are already more that competitive with Betfair

Pinnacle appears to be managing just fine without the US market.

what they need most of all is alternative currencies to the USD

I see no good reason why they can't prove to be truly competitive on a wider range of sports. Probably the worst thing they could do would be to attempt to take Betfair on head to head across the board too early.

LOL!!! More competitive than Betfair? I have some users on my website who traded more IN-FIGHT on saturday night than MB has offered on MLB games.

[todd73nj]

We met with them in Dublin and think they have a good plan but more importantly, a good backing. Matchbook would have been upgraded earlier but we couldn't do it when they technically were in debt to players. They just paid out millions. The B rating for the new MB group is right on.

Bill,

If this backing was so strong - why couldnt they promptly pay out US players promptly? The excuse of processors just doesnt fly as any other decently rated book can get a check or wire sent out much quicker than 90 days. From what I read (and you are a much more trusted source than H@reeb@), MB was in debt because why? They did not have players money set aside as has been suggested here?

So therefore the rating of the OLD MB was way too high as they were an extreme risk?

So if this new company could not pay promptly, they obviously didnt have enough backing to just pay out the US players - which would also mean to me they dont have enough cash to say they have all players accounts covered by on hand cash?

Businesses short on capital seldom succeed in the long run.

[Hareeba!]

A trusted source that of course cannot be verified.

you just wouldn't accept whatever I said so it would be a total waste of time

for me, his record has proven his worth

irrelevant anyway, your false claim was that I went in blindly which could hardly be further from the truth

I've never been caught out by a stiffing or failing book - that's what it's all about

LOL!!! More competitive than Betfair? I have some users on my website who traded more IN-FIGHT on saturday night than MB has offered on MLB games.

LOL indeed
read what I posted - US sports, i.e. MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL
and yes I am aware and couldn't care less about live betting - don't forget that Europe is asleep when most of that action is on, so it's hardly a surprise that there's no liquidity on it

[Fishhead]

The new look is beuatiful

[todd73nj]

you just wouldn't accept whatever I said so it would be a total waste of time

for me, his record has proven his worth

irrelevant anyway, your false claim was that I went in blindly which could hardly be further from the truth

I've never been caught out by a stiffing or failing book - that's what it's all about





LOL indeed
read what I posted - US sports, i.e. MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL
and yes I am aware and couldn't care less about live betting - don't forget that Europe is asleep when most of that action is on, so it's hardly a surprise that there's no liquidity on it

So what you are saying is then that you have inside informatin on the whole situation? So that could also be the reason why you tout them uncontrolably and cant admit they they do ANYTHING wrong.


And what I said was Betfair traded more on a few fights than MB does on MLB in a week. I use them to price the between rounds on 5dimes - and chunks by the $1,000s were coming off the bids/asks on Betfair. On a fight. lol.

[todd73nj]

The new look is beuatiful

It does look good. Nice cosmetic job.

[Hareeba!]

So what you are saying is then that you have inside informatin on the whole situation? So that could also be the reason why you tout them uncontrolably and cant admit they they do ANYTHING wrong.

I've said nothing of the sort
There's you difficulty with the written language coming out again

And what I said was Betfair traded more on a few fights than MB does on MLB in a week. I use them to price the between rounds on 5dimes - and chunks by the $1,000s were coming off the bids/asks on Betfair. On a fight. lol.

I know what you said. And it is utterly irrelevant to the comment I made regarding MB being more than competitive than Betfair on the major US sports.

Once again your comprehension of the written word is getting you all tangled up.

[Thremp]

Hareeba, I thought you said you wanted accountability for words?

Show me evidence of escrow accounts or please banish your elderly ass to whatever it is you poseurs do during the day.


Your comment about never being stiffed by a book is comical, since you've never really earned any money either. You have every excuse in the world why you bet dinner money on bets, and take a completely delusional view of the offshore market (Pinny doesn't serve US customers, MB/Pinny have seperate escrow accounts, etc etc etc). You're not a man of your word and a deceptive, detrimental poster who does every here a disservice with every post.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba, I thought you said you wanted accountability for words?

Show me evidence of escrow accounts or please banish your elderly ass to whatever it is you poseurs do during the day.

laughable from someone who NEVER shows any evidence of anything he says when called upon to do so.

no idea what kind of evidence you want to see anyway
I have correspondence from MB confirming that player money is segregated from their own
But posting that would be a total waste of time because you'd only say that I fabricated it.

Your comment about never being stiffed by a book is comical, since you've never really earned any money either. You have every excuse in the world why you bet dinner money on bets, and take a completely delusional view of the offshore market (Pinny doesn't serve US customers, MB/Pinny have seperate escrow accounts, etc etc etc). You're not a man of your word and a deceptive, detrimental poster who does every here a disservice with every post.

HTF would you know anything about how much I bet or earn?

No idea what nonsense you are on about re Pinnacle now either and frankly I couldn't care less as you are just a waste of space and time.

I've been thanked by many posters for assisting them with enquiries. Never have I seen anyone give you credit for anything at all.

[todd73nj]

I've said nothing of the sort
There's you difficulty with the written language coming out again




I know what you said. And it is utterly irrelevant to the comment I made regarding MB being more than competitive than Betfair on the major US sports.

Once again your comprehension of the written word is getting you all tangled up.

What site tracks MBs volume?

Oh - wait - they dont offer volume.

There is no way Betfair is out-traded on US sports by Matchbook. But once again, the data can be produced for Betfair - but not for Matchbook. So thats your answer.



Can someone post some of the Betfair volume links? I have one or two that track them on my laptop but thats at my office.

[Hareeba!]

What site tracks MBs volume?

Oh - wait - they dont offer volume.

There is no way Betfair is out-traded on US sports by Matchbook. But once again, the data can be produced for Betfair - but not for Matchbook. So thats your answer.

no idea and don't really care

but anybody can see every day of every week that there is relatively sfa liquidity on US sports markets (ahead of game start time) at BF compared with MB.

if you can't you're blind

I look at both of them every day and rarely find that I can get the odds or volume at BF that I can at MB

[todd73nj]

no idea and don't really care

but anybody can see every day of every week that there is relatively sfa liquidity on US sports markets (ahead of game start time) at BF compared with MB.

if you can't you're blind

I look at both of them every day and rarely find that I can get the odds or volume at BF that I can at MB

Now I really think you are crazy.

To even compare Betfair and MB is stupid.

If they were millions in debt when they sold - they couldnt have been doing that good. Infact - if they are in debt with such a model - there is a severe problem.

And now these new owners swoop in - slow pay the US customers - dont trade a dollar on NCAA/NHL - make a few cosmetics changes that anyone with knowledge of HTML could do.. and all of a sudden the odds and volume are better than Betfair.

Yeah. Thats believable!

[roanildinho]

Todd get a life. lawl

[roanildinho]

Your missing out important facts...i swear you remind me of the dumb guy who acts like his smart and tries to convince people..

GET A LIFE IMAOOO

[Hareeba!]

Now I really think you are crazy.

To even compare Betfair and MB is stupid.

If they were millions in debt when they sold - they couldnt have been doing that good. Infact - if they are in debt with such a model - there is a severe problem.

And now these new owners swoop in - slow pay the US customers - dont trade a dollar on NCAA/NHL - make a few cosmetics changes that anyone with knowledge of HTML could do.. and all of a sudden the odds and volume are better than Betfair.

Yeah. Thats believable!

FFS !!!!

All I said was that they beat BF on major US sports.
That's all.
You LOLed at that.
The rest of what you have posted since is utterly irrelevant to the statement I made which you apparently found so funny and I have no intention of discussing them.

[jjgold]

Hareeba ..60% of matchbook volume is not from players..books is throwing it in pot

[wtf]

Hareeba ..60% of matchbook volume is not from players..books is throwing it in pot

exactly what the slime at betdaq does

they probably arb the real money into betfair that is their biz plan

[Scooter]

exactly what the slime at betdaq does

they probably arb the real money into betfair that is their biz plan

Why do you call Betdaq "slime"?

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba ..60% of matchbook volume is not from players..books is throwing it in pot

another wild unsubstantiated claim

[jjgold]

exactly what the slime at betdaq does

they probably arb the real money into betfair that is their biz plan

YES SIR

[Hareeba!]

YES SIR

utterly absurd!

you obviously haven't a clue what you're talking about

if you have ever looked at the markets and odds available at MB and Betfair you'd find that arbing is simply impossible both odds and liquidity wise

[todd73nj]

FFS !!!!

All I said was that they beat BF on major US sports.
That's all.
You LOLed at that.
The rest of what you have posted since is utterly irrelevant to the statement I made which you apparently found so funny and I have no intention of discussing them.

Hareeba ..60% of matchbook volume is not from players..books is throwing it in pot

another wild unsubstantiated claim

He has an isdie source that he cannot reveal. Or something like that!!!

[todd73nj]

Todd get a life. lawl

Your missing out important facts...i swear you remind me of the dumb guy who acts like his smart and tries to convince people..

GET A LIFE IMAOOO

What happened buddy? When you realized that your first 4 word post wasnt enough to get your points, you posted a second one?

You know - if you went pro - which would require $250 in an account somewhere - I think your points would double! But I understand whats holding you back.

[todd73nj]

FFS !!!!

All I said was that they beat BF on major US sports.
That's all.
You LOLed at that.
The rest of what you have posted since is utterly irrelevant to the statement I made which you apparently found so funny and I have no intention of discussing them.

Hareeba,

I use BF nightly to price Matchbooks live betting models that they post between innings.

When BF has a live baseball game, the chunks that get taken out of the blocks offered are unreal. They have to trade more in one live baseball game -after the game starts - than MB does on an entire baseball slate.

If MB was as busssssyyyyyy as you claim - dont you think that maybe you might see one single itty bitty offer in the 3 or 4 games they leave open for betting each night? Just one offer, Hareeba. But there are None. Ever.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba,

I use BF nightly to price Matchbooks live betting models that they post between innings.

When BF has a live baseball game, the chunks that get taken out of the blocks offered are unreal. They have to trade more in one live baseball game -after the game starts - than MB does on an entire baseball slate.

If MB was as busssssyyyyyy as you claim - dont you think that maybe you might see one single itty bitty offer in the 3 or 4 games they leave open for betting each night? Just one offer, Hareeba. But there are None. Ever.

Todd,

You haven't been listening to me at all.

I've said I don't bet on live games and my comments regarding turnover MB v BF on US sports is all in relation to prior to the start of games.

BF is absolutely and utterly no match for MB in that sphere and to suggest that MB arbs their turnover at BF is simply laughable.

[todd73nj]

So I guess what you are saying is they ONLY trade in game at Betfair? And the absolutely incredible volume at Matchbook ALL dries up as soon as the first pitch is thrown?

Come on Hareeba. Makes no sense at all. If these players were so smart they would realize what an incredible opportunity in-game wagering is. But Matchbook has no demand.

Just like when Matchbook went completely marketless for the NCAA basketball tournament - you dont trade it - so who cares.