Matchbook update

[Hareeba!]

2nd, Going back to the first discussion I EVER had with you - you claimed the Antiguan Regulators were a trustworthy gaming board. I told you that I knew NOTHING about them - and did not want my money in the hands of a group I knew NOTHING about.. Asked you to provide evidence of anything they have ever done. You never provided me with even a link. Just you saying they were more turstworthy than the US govt.

Yet another misquote!

This is what I DID say:

"I have no reason to doubt the integrity and efficiency of the Antiguan regulators to do the job.
I'd rather have my money in their hands than most of the bookies in their jurisdiction."

and

"there is no reason that I'm aware of for anyone to doubt a government agency outside of the US"

[Hareeba!]

You took a few screen shots? Oh, let me go look at them. Hmm they arent there. Thats odd. I mean, if you said you took a screen shot Id expect it to be there.

And of course the game wasnt handpicked - one game - just happens to be the one you are betting.



Always one game.

Are you seriously suggesting that I post screenshots which show my login names and balances on a public forum?

Yes, it was just the one game I was betting that day. So what?
And again today I bet just one game and once again MB was all over BF for odds and liquidity.

But it is not always one game.
Go back a week or so and you will find that I posted data on ALL games yet to commence at that time. And then you again called me a liar saying there were other games yet to commence. When called upon to prove that point you once again failed to do so.

By refusing to accept the numbers I've posted you are calling me a liar.

Go back a week or so and you'll find that Santo confirmed the numbers I had posted were correct. Are you calling Santo a liar too?

[Hareeba!]

1st, I said you dont think they seed. You said you never said that. So which I am supplying proof for? lol That you dont think they seed?

I simply challenged you to provide evidence of any post I've made suggesting they do or don't seed.

I'm pretty damned certain that in relation to MB seeding I've never said I think they do or that I think they don't. I believe, if anything, all I've said is I couldn't care less whether they do or not.

All I'm interested in is getting set at the best prices for my stake on this planet. If seeding assists in that, great but it is of no real concern to me unlike you getting your balls knotted over the issue.

[todd73nj]

Are you seriously suggesting that I post screenshots which show my login names and balances on a public forum?

Yes, it was just the one game I was betting that day. So what?
And again today I bet just one game and once again MB was all over BF for odds and liquidity.

But it is not always one game.
Go back a week or so and you will find that I posted data on ALL games yet to commence at that time. And then you again called me a liar saying there were other games yet to commence. When called upon to prove that point you once again failed to do so.

By refusing to accept the numbers I've posted you are calling me a liar.

Go back a week or so and you'll find that Santo confirmed the numbers I had posted were correct. Are you calling Santo a liar too?

Umm.. There were instructions on how to do it.. using MS paint. And all you do is make a line thru your log in information. Its not that hard. lol

And with you it is always one game. You want PROOF from everyone - but everyone is to take your word? Not sure exactly how that works.

Ive posted screen shots of the list of games - in order - so I cant pick and choose to prove my point.

I simply challenged you to provide evidence of any post I've made suggesting they do or don't seed.

I'm pretty damned certain that in relation to MB seeding I've never said I think they do or that I think they don't. I believe, if anything, all I've said is I couldn't care less whether they do or not.

All I'm interested in is getting set at the best prices for my stake on this planet. If seeding assists in that, great but it is of no real concern to me unlike you getting your balls knotted over the issue.

Well if thats the case - then you should be absolutley concerned about your money. When I duscuss average bet size, I always use $200. You like to use $1000. I wouldnt want to have that my money tied up with an "exchange" that seeds their markets and no history.

[MYFOOTBALLGAME]

Any chance there coming back

[MYFOOTBALLGAME]

Can I get a place in Canada or Mexico and bet Matchbook

[Hareeba!]

Umm.. There were instructions on how to do it.. using MS paint. And all you do is make a line thru your log in information. Its not that hard. lol

I've told you already that I'm not a geek and I'm not going to waste time messing with this unfamiliar stuff.

And if it's that easy to do then so is changing all the numbers which you would no doubt accuse me of doing.

You are calling both Santo and I liars by not accepting the numbers I see and post.

And with you it is always one game.

That's a repeated lie. I answered that yet again in my last post.

You want PROOF from everyone - but everyone is to take your word? Not sure exactly how that works.

You would if you only bothered to read.
I only demand proof when you and other jerks say I've lied or you post incorrect quotes.

I've posted heaps of evidence demonstrating that you and others have misquoted me.

Ive posted screen shots of the list of games - in order - so I cant pick and choose to prove my point.

there you go calling me a liar again

never once have you posted any evidence to back up your claims

[Hareeba!]

Any chance there coming back

not unless America returns to being a free country

[todd73nj]

I've told you already that I'm not a geek and I'm not going to waste time messing with this unfamiliar stuff.

And if it's that easy to do then so is changing all the numbers which you would no doubt accuse me of doing.

You are calling both Santo and I liars by not accepting the numbers I see and post.



That's a repeated lie. I answered that yet again in my last post.




You would if you only bothered to read.
I only demand proof when you and other jerks say I've lied or you post incorrect quotes.

I've posted heaps of evidence demonstrating that you and others have misquoted me.



there you go calling me a liar again

never once have you posted any evidence to back up your claims

Hareeba, this is a gambling forum, is it not? Everyone makes $1000s a week here. Everyone gets the best lines. Everyone has the winners.

So pardon me if I dont believe #s that are TYPED into a forum by someone who claims to know so much about everything.

Before MB sold - the masses thought MB should be rated higher - I guess we know now why they werent - because they didnt have anyones money - and really werent operating on the premise of an "exchange"

But all the smart players here knew better. The financial stability of that book was awful. And you can say what you want - but a new company coming in and not being able to pay off the players immediately leaves a lot to the imagination. And when you couple that with them seemingly seeding their own markets, thats a pure recipe for disaster.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba, this is a gambling forum, is it not? Everyone makes $1000s a week here. Everyone gets the best lines. Everyone has the winners.

So pardon me if I dont believe #s that are TYPED into a forum by someone who claims to know so much about everything.

Before MB sold - the masses thought MB should be rated higher - I guess we know now why they werent - because they didnt have anyones money - and really werent operating on the premise of an "exchange"

But all the smart players here knew better. The financial stability of that book was awful. And you can say what you want - but a new company coming in and not being able to pay off the players immediately leaves a lot to the imagination. And when you couple that with them seemingly seeding their own markets, thats a pure recipe for disaster.

So your bottom line is that you won't believe anything I say and I'm a compulsive liar?

What plausible motivation could I possibly have for repeatedly posting inaccuracies?

I have challenged that obnoxious weed, Thremp and a few others as well as you to find just ONE THING I have posted which you can demonstrate to be a lie. Just one!

And never have any of you been able to do that.

What does that tell anyone who cares ?

[todd73nj]

So your bottom line is that you won't believe anything I say and I'm a compulsive liar?

What plausible motivation could I possibly have for repeatedly posting inaccuracies?

I have challenged that obnoxious weed, Thremp and a few others as well as you to find just ONE THING I have posted which you can demonstrate to be a lie. Just one!

And never have any of you been able to do that.

What does that tell anyone who cares ?

This all stems back to when you told me the Antigaun Regulators were a trustworthy group where my money was completely safe. And I wanted to believe you - and when asked why - show me a link to anything they did to help a sports book player - you had nothing - but what you continued to say from your own head. Now you quote numbers, with no documentation. You have never provided a link to anything you post.

[Hareeba!]

This all stems back to when you told me the Antigaun Regulators were a trustworthy group where my money was completely safe. And I wanted to believe you - and when asked why - show me a link to anything they did to help a sports book player - you had nothing - but what you continued to say from your own head. Now you quote numbers, with no documentation. You have never provided a link to anything you post.

So you didn't even bother reading what I DID say, but instead continue to perpetuate your LIE.

Once again I ask you to provide the evidence to back up your accusation.

[chance]

Where did you read this?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/city-news/2011/06/30/betfair-gambles-on-bookie-war-115875-23236316/

[Thremp]

Hareeba,

We tried to arrange a 20k bet where I would present my case in exchange for the chance to take your money. You wanted no part of this. Its pretty obvious by your actions and REPEATED LIES that you're a liar. I don't need to write a research paper to point out the obvious. If, at any time, you want proof. You know the terms WHICH YOU ******* AGREED TO (atleast before welching).

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba,

We tried to arrange a 20k bet where I would present my case in exchange for the chance to take your money. You wanted no part of this. Its pretty obvious by your actions and REPEATED LIES that you're a liar. I don't need to write a research paper to point out the obvious. If, at any time, you want proof. You know the terms WHICH YOU ******* AGREED TO (atleast before welching).

As you well know we've been over that time and time again. I don't propose to do so any more.

But I DO require anyone accusing me of lying to provide the evidence.

On that front you are an abject failure and accordingly have no credibility whatsoever.

If you expect anyone to believe you, you'll need to PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE.

[LostBankroll]

Business As Usual

[todd73nj]

So you didn't even bother reading what I DID say, but instead continue to perpetuate your LIE.

Once again I ask you to provide the evidence to back up your accusation.

So all you want is me to provide you a link to you saynig how you said how trustworthy the regulators where with no proof or no evidence? Because if thats what you want - thats easy. lol

[todd73nj]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/city-ne...5875-23236316/

Betfair gambles on bookie war
by Graham Hiscott, Daily Mirror 30/06/2011
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GAMBLING giant Betfair hopes to boost business by snatching more trade from traditional bookies.

The firm runs the world’s biggest betting exchange, where its near one million active users bet against each other.

For example, some punters offered odds of 489-1 that Newcastle would come back to draw with Arsenal after trailing 4-0 in February’s Premier League clash.

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When, amazingly, they did, it meant a big pay day for some – and a hefty loss for others.

Betfair now wants to take business from the likes of Ladbrokes and William Hill by setting more of its own odds and taking bets directly. This more risky strategy follows *criticisms of the *company’s performance, after its share price halved since being floated on the stock market last October.

Despite investor concerns about the company, profits jumped by 50% to £26.6million in the 12 months to the end of April.


Most ironic how their profits have jumped 50% in the past year (May 10-April 11). Goes pretty well with the demise of MB in the past year of the old ownership, no live betting, less liquidity. £26.6million profits. But Im sure Matchbook does that on pregame baseball alone!

[Hareeba!]

So all you want is me to provide you a link to you saynig how you said how trustworthy the regulators where with no proof or no evidence? Because if thats what you want - thats easy. lol

YES

You keep on quoting words which I NEVER SAID
That is a despicable distortion of what I posted

What's so hard to understand that I am demanding you prove what you are claiming I said when I deny it, or retract your accusation with an apology?

[todd73nj]

YES

You keep on quoting words which I NEVER SAID
That is a despicable distortion of what I posted

What's so hard to understand that I am demanding you prove what you are claiming I said when I deny it, or retract your accusation with an apology?

So back to when you said you have no reason to doubt them - as you said in a prior message in this thread - what are you basing that on?

[Hareeba!]

So back to when you said you have no reason to doubt them - as you said in a prior message in this thread - what are you basing that on?

English mustn't be your native language?

You seem to have an awful lot of trouble comprehending.

Prima facie a government agency in a civilised country should be afforded the benefit of one's trust.

I have no knowledge of the agency in question ever having being called into question.

i.e. I have no reason to doubt their capability or trustworthiness.

But typically it seems you doubt and mistrust everyone despite having no basis for doing so other than your ability to twist what they say and then make posts attributing your twisted versions as factual statements.

[todd73nj]

English mustn't be your native language?

You seem to have an awful lot of trouble comprehending.

Prima facie a government agency in a civilised country should be afforded the benefit of one's trust.

I have no knowledge of the agency in question ever having being called into question.

i.e. I have no reason to doubt their capability or trustworthiness.

But typically it seems you doubt and mistrust everyone despite having no basis for doing so other than your ability to twist what they say and then make posts attributing your twisted versions as factual statements.

Ok, I see your point - a government agency should be trusted - but I asked you for a link to this government agencies website. A government agency should have a clear outline of its function, no? If they intervened fairly on the behalf of players, then what does the SBR have to get involved for? They are nothing but a licensing agency and you seemed to feel I should have freely trusted them with my money.

[Hareeba!]

Ok, I see your point - a government agency should be trusted - but I asked you for a link to this government agencies website. A government agency should have a clear outline of its function, no? If they intervened fairly on the behalf of players, then what does the SBR have to get involved for? They are nothing but a licensing agency and you seemed to feel I should have freely trusted them with my money.

now you're just talking junk

what do you mean by intervening on behalf of players ?

what do you mean about SBR having to get involved .. in what ?

all the agency was going to do in the initial plan was hold and then disburse US players funds

you've got yourself all twisted up again and haven't a clue what you're talking about

[csm506]

5dimes will be next on the chopping block for us players

[todd73nj]

now you're just talking junk

what do you mean by intervening on behalf of players ?

what do you mean about SBR having to get involved .. in what ?

all the agency was going to do in the initial plan was hold and then disburse US players funds

you've got yourself all twisted up again and haven't a clue what you're talking about

Hareeba, They are a licensing agency. And NOTHING more.

You were able to provide no information back then about them ever having any dealing with any players, or players funds. They have never settled any disputes, dispersed any money, or had anything to do with players.

My point about SBR, is you can find dealings they have had with books to negociate and correct issues.

[todd73nj]

5dimes will be next on the chopping block for us players

That would be a nightmare.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba, They are a licensing agency. And NOTHING more.

You were able to provide no information back then about them ever having any dealing with any players, or players funds. They have never settled any disputes, dispersed any money, or had anything to do with players.

My point about SBR, is you can find dealings they have had with books to negociate and correct issues.

All irrelevant to my point.
They were initially chosen to do the job.
It's not rocket science. I have no reason to doubt their capability.
I don't know why the arrangement was changed to a bunch of lawyers. I doubt they'd ever had any prior experience with dispersing player funds either. In my experience lawyers have always had trouble with accounting matters.
Still have nfi why you raise SBR in this discussion.

[todd73nj]

All irrelevant to my point.
They were initially chosen to do the job.
It's not rocket science. I have no reason to doubt their capability.
I don't know why the arrangement was changed to a bunch of lawyers. I doubt they'd ever had any prior experience with dispersing player funds either. In my experience lawyers have always had trouble with accounting matters.
Still have nfi why you raise SBR in this discussion.

You dont give money deposited with your company to a company that has never dealt with out of country players. What experience do they have processing withdrawals? And dont tell me that MB was going to come back and take the money back and disperse it. Giving the money to a licensing agency that does NOTHING but license makes no sense at all. Bad business decisions.

Maybe the Costa Rican regulators can help all the Bet Ed players get their money.

[Hareeba!]

You dont give money deposited with your company to a company that has never dealt with out of country players. What experience do they have processing withdrawals? And dont tell me that MB was going to come back and take the money back and disperse it. Giving the money to a licensing agency that does NOTHING but license makes no sense at all. Bad business decisions.

Maybe the Costa Rican regulators can help all the Bet Ed players get their money.

Your ability to comprehend anything is so limited that it's a total waste of time trying to discuss even simple concepts with you as demonstrated time and time again in this thread.

[todd73nj]

What dont I understand Hareeba - Matchbook claimed they didnt want any transaction with US players - so they were passing our money off to someone else to make that payment when the time came. This agency has no experience paying people. Unless of course this was just another lie and inconsistency form the management - because they would provide no information or contact either.

[Scorpion]

Did matchbook pay all the us players? any complaints?

[todd73nj]

Not sure. But they still trade nothing in game, NOTHING at all. And their numbers just sit there.

[austin]

Not sure. But they still trade nothing in game, NOTHING at all. And their numbers just sit there.

yeah go and sing about betmaker.
it is just obvious that you hold a grudge against mb only because they kicked you out and you not being able to profit from them anymore

[Hareeba!]

Not sure. But they still trade nothing in game, NOTHING at all. And their numbers just sit there.

Until they change to calculating commission on net win rather than on every trade there's no way in-play will work for Matchbook. Anyone with a clue would be playing at Betfair.

But pre-game Matchbook is clearly the best place for most of us to bet on the major US sports.

I get my offers matched at better than Pinnacle and Greek prices almost every time and Betfair just isn't in the race for liquidity.

[QQPALLADIUM]

New York Yankees -161 $322
Minnesota Twins +157 $162

the liquidity is great at MB....

great prices at MB...+162 at 5D...