Matchbook update

[the_situation]

its safe to say the currency issue is the only thing holding Matchbook back from becoming a top flight exchange. For most rec bettors they save a lot on commission at Matchy compared to Betfair although the betting options are fewer.

[todd73nj]

its safe to say the currency issue is the only thing holding Matchbook back from becoming a top flight exchange. For most rec bettors they save a lot on commission at Matchy compared to Betfair although the betting options are fewer.

LOL. It doesnt matter that they dont keep players funds separate like Betfair does. It doesnt matter that play 1s deposit is used for player 2s withdrawal.

Only issue is the currency.

[Thremp]

So umm... Why does the timeline of not paying out futures coincide nicely with the realization they don't have enough money to pay players?

Since its so hard to process payouts... why increased the amount and go against prior company policy?

herp derp derp

Don't forget to drink your kool-aid shills.

[Thremp]

So umm... Why does the timeline of not paying out futures coincide nicely with the realization they don't have enough money to pay players?

Since its so hard to process payouts... why increased the amount and go against prior company policy?

herp derp derp

Don't forget to drink your kool-aid shills.

[Hareeba!]

So umm... Why does the timeline of not paying out futures coincide nicely with the realization they don't have enough money to pay players?

Since its so hard to process payouts... why increased the amount and go against prior company policy?

herp derp derp

Don't forget to drink your kool-aid shills.

WTF are you talking about ?

and I still await the (non-existent) evidence to back your previous statement

[QQPALLADIUM]

just pay todd out of your mb acct and have mb reimburse you if you are so confident about mb....

[todd73nj]

just pay todd out of your mb acct and have mb reimburse you if you are so confident about mb....

I got paid. SLOW. VERY SLOW.

Because they have no money.

[the_situation]

LOL. It doesnt matter that they dont keep players funds separate like Betfair does. It doesnt matter that play 1s deposit is used for player 2s withdrawal.

Only issue is the currency.

Todd, unless you have proof that they're doing this why keep posting it? Yea they might have paid out a bit slow but blame the US gov't for making it so difficult.

[Monte]

So umm... Why does the timeline of not paying out futures coincide nicely with the realization they don't have enough money to pay players?

You sound like a drunk professor, wtf does that mean.
I don't see any shills in this thread, just people who would like a good exchange.
And a few assholes with nothing better to do than bashing them, none of us has problems getting paid quick.
Just the bunch of assholes does.

[Thremp]

Five facts:

1) First agreed to pay futures out at "fair market value".
2) Actively slowpaying.
3) Renege on #1 pushing payouts till later.
4) Complain about volume of payouts (# of transactions).
5) Exacerbate #4 with #3.

[Hareeba!]

LOL. It doesnt matter that they dont keep players funds separate like Betfair does. I

So where's your evidence that this is factual ?

[Thremp]

BetED says they kept balances escrowed as well.

[todd73nj]

Todd, unless you have proof that they're doing this why keep posting it? Yea they might have paid out a bit slow but blame the US gov't for making it so difficult.

So where's your evidence that this is factual ?

I cant give you the hard proof you want.

But anyone that actually thinks they have players funds set aside must be on something.

Didnt want to do book to books or send checks because they didnt want transactions with US players. Funny how that changed.

20 days to get an over night check. When the NBA/NHL playoffs ended - why didnt everyone get paid at once? That would be the ultimate end of all futures. Nothing beyond that was listed. Why would one player wait 15 days and another wait 30?

Pretty simple answer.

[Hareeba!]

I cant give you the hard proof you want.

But anyone that actually thinks they have players funds set aside must be on something.

I have been given no reason to doubt their word.
Every reason to doubt you and Thremp.
To you it seems everyone else is a liar.

Didnt want to do book to books or send checks because they didnt want transactions with US players. Funny how that changed.

Nothing's changed.
They don't have US players so they don't do transactions with them.

[Thremp]

Only the most naive individuals would not believe something is amiss when these payouts have dragged on for a >100 days.

[Covers or SBR]

I was always treated kindly and paid fairly and timely by Matchbook. I thought they were a great service that provided great value. Would love to see them return.

[todd73nj]

I have been given no reason to doubt their word.
Every reason to doubt you and Thremp.
To you it seems everyone else is a liar.



Nothing's changed.
They don't have US players so they don't do transactions with them.

But they sent checks in the end. Didnt they? But not all at once. Needed 30 days difference (or maybe more) to pay out all the players on the same day of expiry.

Nope not weird at all.

Its like someone buying a business in a distress sale, and not having the money to make upgrades. They change gradually as they make money.

[Hareeba!]

But they sent checks in the end. Didnt they? But not all at once. Needed 30 days difference (or maybe more) to pay out all the players on the same day of expiry.

Nope not weird at all.

Its like someone buying a business in a distress sale, and not having the money to make upgrades. They change gradually as they make money.

Still making mountains out of molehills I see

It seems you know nothing about MB but are prepared to call them liars

Either they or you are and I know where I'd rather have my money in that contest.

[todd73nj]

Still making mountains out of molehills I see

It seems you know nothing about MB but are prepared to call them liars

Either they or you are and I know where I'd rather have my money in that contest.

And what do you know about them?

What history do they have?

1) Paying out current players on time
2) Completely slow paying American players
3) Retracting their statements and plans time and time again
4) Avoiding a direct interview with SBR

Sounds like a group of guys Id put blind faith in.

[Hareeba!]

And what do you know about them?

What history do they have?

1) Paying out current players on time
2) Completely slow paying American players
3) Retracting their statements and plans time and time again
4) Avoiding a direct interview with SBR

Sounds like a group of guys Id put blind faith in.

I know they ALWAYS pay customers very promptly.
I know they say that client funds are kept separate from their own.
I know there's nowhere else I can get better net odds on US pro-sports.
That's enough for me to go along with.

YOU are the one who claims they have no money and don't segregate their own and clients' funds.
Now put up some real evidence of that rather than just whining away again about the delays in paying former US customers. We're all sick of hearing that and no longer care about it.

[Monte]

We're all sick of hearing that and no longer care about it.

Still you keep it going just as much as him by replying all the time, you are right here but it would be smarter to let this crap die.

[Hareeba!]

Still you keep it going just as much as him by replying all the time, you are right here but it would be smarter to let this crap die.

Yep, I understand that but when someone posts a specific claim against a book (or poster) and then is incapable of backing it up when called upon I don't think he should just be let get away with it.

[Thremp]

Let me address your points:

1) You're either an idiot or a liar. They do not pay their previous clients who they ended their business relationship with "promptly". They are still attempting to find enough funds to pay the players.
2) If I say I have a 12inch d0ng, would you believe it? Probably. You believe Pinnacle has 0 US players and MB has a separate escrow accounts with 0 proof.
3) This is because you are lazy. I never bet at prices as poor as MB.
4) We've already established your deceptive nature. No wonder you'd go along with an outright lie, a potential fabrication with no proof, and your willful ignorance as a reason to play at a book.

I agree with your comment to Monte. Please show regulation or evidence of escrowed funds or banish yourself forever. tyty.

[Hareeba!]

Let me address your points:

1) You're either an idiot or a liar. They do not pay their previous clients who they ended their business relationship with "promptly". They are still attempting to find enough funds to pay the players.

I said they always pay their clients promptly.
The new MB has never allowed US clients. I don't know and frankly no longer care about the issues involved in paying out the old owners' clients.

2) If I say I have a 12inch d0ng, would you believe it? Probably. You believe Pinnacle has 0 US players and MB has a separate escrow accounts with 0 proof.

I have never said Pinnacle has zero US players. In fact I'm sure in one thread somewhere I said precisely the opposite. And I'm sure MB has some too. WTF has that got to do with anything?

3) This is because you are lazy. I never bet at prices as poor as MB.

Once again, totally irrelevant to anything I've said.
There is nowhere I'm allowed or am prepared to bet at that consistently offers better odds than MB on US pro sports.

4) We've already established your deceptive nature. No wonder you'd go along with an outright lie, a potential fabrication with no proof, and your willful ignorance as a reason to play at a book.

ROFL
Despite a thousand requests for any proof you've established SFA in support of your false claims and lies about me.

I agree with your comment to Monte. Please show regulation or evidence of escrowed funds or banish yourself forever. tyty.

what escrowed funds ?
and why should I provide anything as evidence to YOU when you've refused to do the same to any of my numerous requests

[QQPALLADIUM]

what great liquidity on tonites mlb games...john blutarsky liquid

[todd73nj]

I know they ALWAYS pay customers very promptly. I know they say that client funds are kept separate from their own. I know there's nowhere else I can get better net odds on US pro-sports. That's enough for me to go along with. YOU are the one who claims they have no money and don't segregate their own and clients' funds. Now put up some real evidence of that rather than just whining away again about the delays in paying former US customers. We're all sick of hearing that and no longer care about it.

Oh ok - so they paid you on time. Yes. But you can clearly see the slow pay of all US customers.

And you say you know they keep funds apart from their own? Post your proof. If they had money - they would have never let payouts drag on this long. Thats all the proof I need. ANY other site I use can pay me within a week on an over night check. But the NEW MB needed 30 days. Matchbook Mikes failure to answer any questions directed at the contradictions in this thread should show all of you the deceptive nature of Matchbook. And if you label me a MB heckler - what about all the players who asked questions about things he posted - but got no response? But thats not strange either.

You say they have the best odds - BetEd had some of the best bonuses.

This company has no positive history to ensure the saftey of your funds.

what great liquidity on tonites mlb games...john blutarsky liquid

And while Betfair offers more ingame liquidy on one tennis match than MB does all week.. lol

[BrigadierPudding]

There is nowhere I'm allowed or am prepared to bet at that consistently offers better odds than MB on US pro sports.

So Thremp is right. You're lazy.

You're also very wrong. MB doesn't have close to the best prices on WNBA, MLS, AFL, etc. You know, US pro sports. Seriously, you really need to stop spouting that crap. It just makes you look foolish.

[Hareeba!]

Really hope they come back to the US, I really miss having them as an option!

that is clearly up to the US to fix
MB won't be returning under the current legislation
If they did, I'd be bailing out

[Hareeba!]

So Thremp is right. You're lazy.

You're also very wrong. MB doesn't have close to the best prices on WNBA, MLS, AFL, etc. You know, US pro sports. Seriously, you really need to stop spouting that crap. It just makes you look foolish.

ok ok, but those aren't what I meant - I should have referred to the major sports

explain the lazy bit please .. I work very hard and long hours at this game - more than you I expect

[Hareeba!]

And you say you know they keep funds apart from their own? Post your proof. If they had money .

ROFL
How rich is that ?
YOU say they don't and I ask you to post evidence to back up your claim and you can't.
But now you require me to do what you wouldn't/couldn't !!!

I have had correspondence from MB confirming what I told you.

But knowing you, you'll not believe it.
I don't care what you believe but don't expect to post lies and not get challenged.

You say they have the best odds - BetEd had some of the best bonuses.

WTF has that to do with anything I've ever posted ?

I would never have sent money to that outfit.

This company has no positive history to ensure the saftey of your funds.

MB has no negative history to suggest otherwise.
I've never seen any complaints of failure to pay their customers promptly
don't go boring us all with your whining about former customers please

And while Betfair offers more ingame liquidy on one tennis match than MB does all week.. lol

Irrelevant. I can still achieve better odds almost always than are available at Pinnacle or other genuine A grade books.
I never play ingame so I don't give a fig
A very large quantity of US sport happens whilst Europe is asleep so it's no real surprise that there's nothing happening then

[todd73nj]

ROFL
How rich is that ?
YOU say they don't and I ask you to post evidence to back up your claim and you can't.
But now you require me to do what you wouldn't/couldn't !!!

I have had correspondence from MB confirming what I told you.

But knowing you, you'll not believe it.
I don't care what you believe but don't expect to post lies and not get challenged.




WTF has that to do with anything I've ever posted ?

I would never have sent money to that outfit.




MB has no negative history to suggest otherwise.
I've never seen any complaints of failure to pay their customers promptly
don't go boring us all with your whining about former customers please




Irrelevant. I can still achieve better odds almost always than are available at Pinnacle or other genuine A grade books.
I never play ingame so I don't give a fig
A very large quantity of US sport happens whilst Europe is asleep so it's no real surprise that there's nothing happening then

I explained to you that my only evidence is their lack of ability to pay out large sums of money on time. I think that should be pretty self explanatory that they do not have that sum of cash lying around. When they pay out on Moneybookers or Book to Book, thats on credit.

And its funny how MB would have ccontact with you telling YOU that they have money on account - but they wouldnt tell anyone else? Thats quite a claim.

And as far as no history - its sort of like going in to buy a car with no credit history. They dont give you 1.9%. Why? Because you have no history - and thats the type of person (or ion this case company) - that you want to be careful with. Could go either way - but certainly no need to blindly trust.

[Hareeba!]

When they pay out on Moneybookers or Book to Book, thats on credit.

Payment via Moneybookers is on credit ?
Now I find that impossible to swallow.
I expect you've got another weak excuse for not being able to show me any evidence to support that claim ?

[Hareeba!]

And its funny how MB would have ccontact with you telling YOU that they have money on account - but they wouldnt tell anyone else? Thats quite a claim.

Coming from someone who appears to trust nobody that would probably be so.
Nevertheless it's a fact.
What do you mean they wouldn't tell anyone else?
Who's asked and not been answered?

[todd73nj]

Payment via Moneybookers is on credit ?
Now I find that impossible to swallow.
I expect you've got another weak excuse for not being able to show me any evidence to support that claim ?

I read that on here, I do not use Money bookers. But Book to book is definitely on account with each other - so basically credit.

Coming from someone who appears to trust nobody that would probably be so.
Nevertheless it's a fact.
What do you mean they wouldn't tell anyone else?
Who's asked and not been answered?

That question was asked to MB Mike.

The fact that you blindly trust a book - an online gambling website is beyond me. Anyone I start out with I start out with basically nothing in my account till I feel they have a history.

If MB actually had this money on account - they would advertise that and offer proof of it. Tradesports offered players copies of their individual bank accounts where their money was stored, and the transfers that were made on a daily basis. So I guess it would go a little beyond saying "Hey yeah, we do that"

[the_situation]

SBR just upgraded Matchbook to a B...they know a lot more than anyone here about Matchbook and their finances...so I think I will trust them over any US player who is pissed because they didn't pay him asap.