What is your religion?

**itchypickle** · 08-27-10, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by gwiz

If you have read the bible you would know that the law of moses was done away with by the blood of christ

the fact dr laura thinks levtican law has meaning shows that she don't know about the bible but tries to use it to her advantage

or knows full well what she is saying and is trying to create confusion about the "word of god"

This is assuming only the Christian bible....remember it's an 'add on' in their eyes....still confuses me how Christians call it "old testament' and not relevant anymore...yet the entire 'new' testament is built from the original...and carry over parts that they want..i.e. Ten Commandments etc.
Not saying anyone's right or wrong...just that the Christian way of thinking is that their Bible is the 'bible' of all.

**curious** · 08-27-10, 07:25 PM

My religion wasn't listed in the poll:

VOODOO

**kingkhi** · 08-27-10, 07:32 PM

i am a muslim and i am proud of it !

**gwiz** · 08-27-10, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by itchypickle

This is assuming only the Christian bible....remember it's an 'add on' in their eyes....still confuses me how Christians call it "old testament' and not relevant anymore...yet the entire 'new' testament is built from the original...and carry over parts that they want..i.e. Ten Commandments etc.
Not saying anyone's right or wrong...just that the Christian way of thinking is that their Bible is the 'bible' of all.

hello mr pickle

I read the bible to be a collection of books since thats the definition,it is 66 books[occult number] in total in the king james version

I think your telling us that the new testament is an "add on" in the orthodox jews opinion?

I would agree 100% about the old testament being relevant to the new testament since as you say there is clear interplay,the issue is really that the bible is not a "religious" book" it is a collection of stories about a family on earth who clearly believe in god regardless of what the rest of the world believes in.

christ refers to the scriptures many times yet most christians don't even know what the scriptures are,they think it means the old testament,

so while many christians are confused and confounded if it came down to it I would still rather run into a gang of christians before any other gang on earth

A book like the torah or koran might be more approriately termed religious books,although I can't be positive never having read either

**gwiz** · 08-27-10, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by stealthyburrito

i am very open to believing in a god myself, so long as someone can provide scientific, factual evidence of a god existing. The evidence presented here in favor of a christian god is fundamentally flawed in that it relies on pre-existing christian beliefs, which are most certainly not grounded in fact themselves (for the most part).

the law is your god.it's a scientific fact

Do I exist?

How can I prove it to you.you will never see me, never know me, unless you search me out.

I could talk to you through this medium till the day one of us dies and you will still never have proof I existed.

The concept of God is belief.

you look for proof when you are the proof

the religious concept of god and devil is the devil claiming gods authority,well guess what that implies.

**gwiz** · 08-27-10, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

I never understood why religious people consider Atheists and Agnostics arrogant. Most Atheists and Agnostics don't claim to have all the answers. Religious beliefs are practically the very DEFINITION of arrogance.

I agree with this statement

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

I have much respect for your passion for individual liberties. We are very much the same when it comes to this. However, it seems to me that the Bible and the Qaran(among other books) want to take these individual liberties away from us. This is just one of the many things that I don't like about religion.

It might seem that the bible wants to take away our liberties but thats really a matter of semantics since it does try to persuade the idea of not doing things that are ultimately destructive such as stealing however there are clear sections devoted to the language of freedom,

I am free to be an idiot but rarely will it profit me

**tim0402** · 08-27-10, 08:29 PM

i like mormon chicks ez sometimes

**gwiz** · 08-27-10, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by losturmarbles

The Law is derived from individuals. read "The Law" by Bastiat.

drug prohibition and other illegal activities are actually perversions of the law.

"I govern myself and that is a christian concept"

really? succumbing to your religious authority (whether it be the church or an old book), is hardly governing yourself. complicit slavery is still slavery, especially when it's of the mind. "christ is the law in my mind"

thanks for the link,I am looking into it,clearly the law is from individuals but most of those individuals will have religious undertones to all they do including and especially when it comes to law

**itchypickle** · 08-27-10, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by gwiz

hello mr pickle

I read the bible to be a collection of books since thats the definition,it is 66 books[occult number] in total in the king james version

I think your telling us that the new testament is an "add on" in the orthodox jews opinion?

I would agree 100% about the old testament being relevant to the new testament since as you say there is clear interplay,the issue is really that the bible is not a "religious" book" it is a collection of stories about a family on earth who clearly believe in god regardless of what the rest of the world believes in.

christ refers to the scriptures many times yet most christians don't even know what the scriptures are,they think it means the old testament,

so while many christians are confused and confounded if it came down to it I would still rather run into a gang of christians before any other gang on earth

A book like the torah or koran might be more approriately termed religious books,although I can't be positive never having read either

I'm of the Reform Jews for the record, not Ortho

And the Torah is merely the first 5 books....the Tanakh (Old Testament) is the Jewish Bible. Basically the first five are more or less the laws..then you have the writings and such. We just don't recognize the 'New Testament". We are not anti Jesus or anti Muhammad or even anti Wicken or Scientologist...just not in our field of thought is all. Always a common misconception.

**Odessa** · 08-28-10, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by kingkhi

i am a muslim and i am proud of it !

Could you share you religion views on gambling?

**losturmarbles** · 08-28-10, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by gwiz

thanks for the link,I am looking into it,clearly the law is from individuals but most of those individuals will have religious undertones to all they do including and especially when it comes to law

Law exists to protect life and property, religion exists to take it away.

**zert** · 08-28-10, 08:53 AM

I am a catholic thank youfor the points

**JohnGalt2341** · 09-06-10, 09:17 PM

My favorite Baptist Pastor:

**gwiz** · 09-08-10, 09:24 PM

This guy is probably a satanist who uses the words in a deceptive way for political purposes

he keeps referring to jesus as god and lord

he starts with a bad premise then everything is just gonna be confusing to him from there on out

what is the point of his speech?

for those who don't know CSPAN is a political channel

How can you be atheist and still be a baptist

**Dark Horse** · 09-08-10, 09:44 PM

Belief systems come and go. True religion transcends these. Ultimately all beliefs must be destroyed. If there is anything standing after that destruction, we can agree to call it indestructible truth. Truth, after all, doesn't have to be believed. It simply is.

Those who claim to have answers without doing this type of investigation are believers. It doesn't matter what they believe. God, no God, left, right, all irrelevant. Because, as already pointed out, ultimately all belief must be destroyed; to make way for direct personal experience. Why read about descriptions of mangos? What good are those if you can't eat them? As Einstein said: 'religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame.'

**in2thethickofit** · 09-08-10, 09:56 PM

why does the guy that started this post care about any of this??? He is an atheist and he is agnostic...wtf???

**stealthyburrito** · 09-08-10, 09:59 PM

this was a good thread.

**Dark Horse** · 09-08-10, 10:01 PM

If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to belief in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?

'You take the red pill ...'

**flyingillini** · 09-08-10, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by itchypickle

I'm of the Reform Jews for the record, not Ortho

And the Torah is merely the first 5 books....the Tanakh (Old Testament) is the Jewish Bible. Basically the first five are more or less the laws..then you have the writings and such. We just don't recognize the 'New Testament". We are not anti Jesus or anti Muhammad or even anti Wicken or Scientologist...just not in our field of thought is all. Always a common misconception.

This is correct except I have a little different view of that guy on the cross than you probably do. You are right on for the most part though!

**itchypickle** · 09-08-10, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by flyingillini

This is correct except I have a little different view of that guy on the cross than you probably do. You are right on for the most part though!

illini...'happy new year'

When you say you hold a different view of Jesus...Messianic Jew?

**flyingillini** · 09-08-10, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by itchypickle

illini...'happy new year'

When you say you hold a different view of Jesus...Messianic Jew?

I just got home from Services, they were very nice. I don't want to get into my view of Jesus on this forum, actually it's not really a view of him because he never existed. Shana Tova my friend.

**JohnGalt2341** · 09-08-10, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by in2thethickofit

why does the guy that started this post care about any of this??? He is an atheist and he is agnostic...wtf???

Religion fascinates me. Countries have been fighting wars for thousands of years over who's Invisible friend is the "real" God. It disturbs me deeply. It's difficult for me to fathom as an Atheist. My ultimate goal is to hear a rational response from a Christian/Muslim/Jew etc.. as to WHY their God is real. I have yet to see such a response.

It's true that I am an Atheist for I do not believe in God. And it's also true that I am an Agnostic for I don't deny the possibility that God might exist. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? All I'm looking for is 1 SHRED of evidence. It doesn't have to be in the form of Gambling but, if you started a thread that said something like "God spoke to me and said this 10 Team Parlay is going win" and you won, I would worship your god forever. Regardless of whether I bet on it or not. Let the "God spoke to me" threads begin!

**curious** · 09-09-10, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

Religion fascinates me. Countries have been fighting wars for thousands of years over who's Invisible friend is the "real" God. It disturbs me deeply. It's difficult for me to fathom as an Atheist. My ultimate goal is to hear a rational response from a Christian/Muslim/Jew etc.. as to WHY their God is real. I have yet to see such a response.

It's true that I am an Atheist for I do not believe in God. And it's also true that I am an Agnostic for I don't deny the possibility that God might exist. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? All I'm looking for is 1 SHRED of evidence. It doesn't have to be in the form of Gambling but, if you started a thread that said something like "God spoke to me and said this 10 Team Parlay is going win" and you won, I would worship your god forever. Regardless of whether I bet on it or not. Let the "God spoke to me" threads begin!

god spoke to me, he told me to track down idiots like you and sacrifice them.

**curious** · 09-09-10, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by curious

god spoke to me, he told me to track down idiots like you and sacrifice them.

Actually, God told my dog and my dog told me.

**JohnGalt2341** · 09-09-10, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by curious

god spoke to me, he told me to track down idiots like you and sacrifice them.

Very clever. You DO bring up an interesting point. Why is it that the more educated a person is the more likely he is to be an Atheist? And the less educated he is the more likely he is to believe in God. That's not to say that all Atheists are geniuses nor are all Believers morons. Show me an uneducated 3rd World Country and I will show you a nation full of Believers. It's not their fault. They don't know any better.

Now, how good of Handicapper is your Dog? I could use some winners.

**MMAchicka** · 09-09-10, 08:19 PM

Lutheran baby

**gwiz** · 09-09-10, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

Very clever. You DO bring up an interesting point. Why is it that the more educated a person is the more likely he is to be an Atheist? And the less educated he is the more likely he is to believe in God. That's not to say that all Atheists are geniuses nor are all Believers morons. Show me an uneducated 3rd World Country and I will show you a nation full of Believers. It's not their fault. They don't know any better.

Now, how good of Handicapper is your Dog? I could use some winners.

because education is a form of mind control

really just gonna come down to what kind of things you learn about I guess

kind of the same principle as the movie "Trading Places"

**roasthawg** · 09-10-10, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by gwiz

christ refers to the scriptures many times yet most christians don't even know what the scriptures are,they think it means the old testament

Count me in this group... what do the scriptures refer to if not the old testament?

**gwiz** · 09-10-10, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by JohnGalt2341

Religion fascinates me. Countries have been fighting wars for thousands of years over who's Invisible friend is the "real" God. It disturbs me deeply. It's difficult for me to fathom as an Atheist. My ultimate goal is to hear a rational response from a Christian/Muslim/Jew etc.. as to WHY their God is real. I have yet to see such a response.

It's true that I am an Atheist for I do not believe in God. And it's also true that I am an Agnostic for I don't deny the possibility that God might exist. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? All I'm looking for is 1 SHRED of evidence. It doesn't have to be in the form of Gambling but, if you started a thread that said something like "God spoke to me and said this 10 Team Parlay is going win" and you won, I would worship your god forever. Regardless of whether I bet on it or not. Let the "God spoke to me" threads begin!

Jesus was explaining that god lived through him and every other human being.

this gets twisted into "He thinks he is GOD" type of thinking

He was explaining this to people who thought god talked to moses through a burning bush

think about that for a minute and look at what jesus was up against.

scientifically speaking a human needs energy to be ALIVE.

energy never dies it is only transferred

you are the proof that the energy exists

call it what you want.

God is not some guy in the sky that wants to control your life, thats evil greedy people who look at you as nothing more than a commodity

most people worship the idol in this day and age because they are programmed

**gwiz** · 09-10-10, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by roasthawg

Count me in this group... what do the scriptures refer to if not the old testament?

I will try to clear that statement up a little but I'm not sure I can

the word bible means "a collection of books" that in the time of jesus wasn't a bible thus no old testament

so while it might seem to us today that he was referring to the "old testament" he was referring to a specific book or text

**gwiz** · 09-10-10, 01:04 AM

on one hand you could say the bible has no business being put together the way it is

it is essentially two faiths in one collection

but if it wasn't you couldn't see the devil IMO

**MEATHEAD** · 09-10-10, 04:05 AM

All this talk about religion might lead to a war between Muslims and Christians with the Jews behind the scenes pulling the strings.

**bobbyfk** · 09-10-10, 04:53 AM

I am Christian

**Odessa** · 09-10-10, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by bobbyfk

I am Christian

Bobby, I thought you're a Gambler and a Sinner. How you got converted?

**itchypickle** · 09-10-10, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by gwiz

on one hand you could say the bible has no business being put together the way it is

it is essentially two faiths in one collection

but if it wasn't you couldn't see the devil IMO

Don't leave out the fact that the 'devil' per se is a Christian belief....not a Jewish one.