No planes on 9-11-01

[The Kraken]

Dismiss news anchors who were there standing on the site who said they saw no evidence of a plane, no fuselage, no wings? Dismiss survivors who worked there who said they saw no evidence of a plane inside nor outside the pentagon?

Did you see the video? Did you see the pictures?

I only used eye-witnesses earlier to make an example of the bible, but go into a court room, and eye-witnesses are generally considered unreliable. There are a number of explanations why they didn't see anything, but it only takes one video, one picture, to prove that there was something.

like Einstein said "for all my work, it's only one experiment away from being disproved"

Same goes here , it only takes one video to prove that planes hit the towers, just one. Why did those people not see it? Who knows, maybe they weren't looking up, maybe they were looking into the sun, maybe their view was shielded by smoke and buildings, maybe they have an agenda, I dunno, but what i do know, is that a plane hit each building

[BigDofBA]

Ebe you'll believe anything, without a shred of evidence

That's what I've learned in here

Agreed. A lot of this copy and paste stuff is years old and already been disproven. Maybe he just read this stuff recently and got brainwashed.

And I've got nothing against Jtoler but it seems like he is arguing planes "didn't" hit the WTC.

My friend SAW the second plane hit!!!! So did other countless people. Were they watching some kind of mirage?

[The Kraken]

Exactly, and I like Toler, think he's a solid poster. If he continues to believe there were no planes, so be it, he has the right to believe that. I'll think its a bit nutty, but I'll still like him as a poster going forward.

Ebe on the other hand He's a full blown Alex Jones groupiie

[jtoler]

Did you see the video? Did you see the pictures?

I only used eye-witnesses earlier to make an example of the bible, but go into a court room, and eye-witnesses are generally considered unreliable. There are a number of explanations why they didn't see anything, but it only takes one video, one picture, to prove that there was something.

like Einstein said "for all my work, it's only one experiment away from being disproved"

Same goes here , it only takes one video to prove that planes hit the towers, just one. Why did those people not see it? Who knows, maybe they weren't looking up, maybe they were looking into the sun, maybe their view was shielded by smoke and buildings, maybe they have an agenda, I dunno, but what i do know, is that a plane hit each building

But youre only saying a plane hit because of the footage that you saw and believed was an actual plane hitting a building. Do you believe special effects when you watch a movie? Why not? When you put common sense into everything does it still add up? Like the black boxes, the trillions of dollars Rumsfeld said was missing the previous day, the fact that the nose of a plane still intact was shown exiting the building even though it had steel columns in it. The fact that the video showed a plane slicing through a building as if it was butter. There are a million things that dont make sense, but thats ok with you? What it be weird if people within a 3 mile radius say there video and phones didnt work during those moments? Is it strange that some on the ground that day with a different story mysteriously disappeared not long after?

[JIBBBY]

This thread is about 5 years too late... Lol....

BigDofBA you got it right in your above post..

[nyplayer33]

Not saying planes or no planes..but why are there all these pilots who are saying impossible ..not wise to go against the common sense explanation unless...there is truth to the bs story..

[nyplayer33]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQtxTnDusk

[brainfreeze]

I've already read everything you've copied and pasted. I read it years ago when I did my own research. A lot of it isn't true or factual.

You can't take what read in the Internet as gossiple.

A lot of those "facts" you reference have been disproven.

911 truthers can't even come up with a consistent narrative. Was it a bird, was it a plane, was is a cartoon, or was it a missile?

The answers we are supposed to rely on are the govs, not truthers. The burden doesn't hang on truthers, the ones that should be held accountable and should have to explain ALL the facts for such a BIG event as this, relies on gov. We don't know what happened with everything, we just know the story published is a fib, rest is up for speculation. I don't put anything past the power @ be though, I know what it's capable of..

[JIBBBY]

The plane video post ^^

They managed to pull it off. Those are big buildings side by side and those two BIG buildings are clearly above the skyline of all other buildings in NY.. Line up the plane and fly it straight in.. Seems doable to me.. You don't know if that is a true pilot in that youtube vid talking either.. A pilot can line up on a runway to land right? What's the difference?

If I'm on a straight freeway going 150 mph I'm sure I can keep it straight and hit something lined up anyways..

Keep in mind the terrorist had time to really think and plan this all out.. Sure he knew what he was doing once he took the cockpit.. It's already proven that one terrorist in each plane had flight training experience as well..

Debunked again..

What we now have suicide American pilots flying passenger jets in both planes? Come on man!!!..

[Ebe]

lol at these degenerate posters who think they are smarter than the doctors, pilots, experts, engineers

You people are so dumb its fuckin unbelievable

[Kermit]

lol at these degenerate posters who think they are smarter than the doctors, pilots, experts, engineers

You people are so dumb its fuckin unbelievable

What about the doctors, pilots, experts, and engineers that disagree with those doctors, pilots, experts, and engineers?

[brainfreeze]

What about the doctors, pilots, experts, and engineers that disagree with those doctors, pilots, experts, and engineers?

... Then who's opinion can you count on ? Case my point, age of deception. Why we should study out for ourselves to understand what we can of this mess. There can be truth found, then there's the ultimate truth, Christ and His Word.

[JIBBBY]

... Then who's opinion can you count on ? Case my point, age of deception. Why we should study out for ourselves to understand what we can of this mess. There can be truth found, then there's the ultimate truth, Christ and His Word.

You can trust your own eyes and what about everyone on the planet watching saw too.. Hundreds of credible people that witnessed and experienced this event in real life interviewed after.. There is no conspiracy here and there never was...

[Ebe]

[jtoler]

You can trust your own eyes and what about everyone on the planet watching saw too.. Hundreds of credible people that witnessed and experienced this event in real life interviewed after.. There is no conspiracy here and there never was...

Who got to you, give me a name.

[Ebe]

Who got to you, give me a name.

[brainfreeze]

You can trust your own eyes and what about everyone on the planet watching saw too.. Hundreds of credible people that witnessed and experienced this event in real life interviewed after.. There is no conspiracy here and there never was...

The interviews I heard and it was more then a few, all talked about explosions and being thrown around the room. As for my own eyes, I wasn't there. There is a video, or " documentary " of the WHOLE event. I mean first plane hitting and everything, he was the only guy that caught this footage, and just so happens he was with the firemen of that area AS IT HAPPENED. He caught everything on tape, it's pretty extensive footage, took me a while but it was what I was looking for, what did it really look like " in real time " as it happened, from where fires were started and fire chiefs communications on site, where they were heading and so fourth. You should check it out, forgot what it's called though.

Thats about as close to what we know of the truth of 9/11 as for finding passports out of the destruction, and all the inconsistencies that I'm not going to list, you just have to come to your own conclusions for now.

[JIBBBY]

Who got to you, give me a name.

No one got to me, just bored and posting while watching this football game I guess. lol...

I just remember years ago really researching this event and debunking the conspiracy theories as I was in question myself back then. Seen many documentaries on TV with it since as well.. I spent some time with it over the years....

I'm just flinging up stuff off memory now on this thread.. It's really old news.. I'm not going deep into the debunking faze again, been there done that already..

[jtoler]

You can trust your own eyes and what about everyone on the planet watching saw too.. Hundreds of credible people that witnessed and experienced this event in real life interviewed after.. There is no conspiracy here and there never was...

I remember seeing vids of reporters posing as common every day people giving accounts of seeing planes, turns out they were reporters. Ive seen some shady interviews of some others seeming coached. But firemen say they heard explosions as other witnesses in the building at the time. What could have caused those explosion sounds?

[Kermit]

What could have caused those explosion sounds?

Pressure.

[JIBBBY]

I remember seeing vids of reporters posing as common every day people giving accounts of seeing planes, turns out they were reporters. Ive seen some shady interviews of some others seeming coached. But firemen say they heard explosions as other witnesses in the building at the time. What could have caused those explosion sounds?

The massive weight of the building coming down with gravity behind it, collapsing building structure weak points and exploding out is what those explosions were.. With every floor collapsing and picking up speed with gravity and force simply stressed out the structures weak points below the collapsing areas. Happen to be in systematical places of the building..

They called in a few building engineers on a tv documentary that I saw a few years back that clearly explained it all away.. Was like a domino effect once the building gave way at the highest points of plane impact and when starting to tumble down..

In the vid you see tiny explosions at exact points in the building structure and those were the weakest points in the structure giving way.. Just that simple and yes it probably sounded like explosions under all that force and weight coming down..

That's it man.. Debunked already..

[jtoler]

When you tell the truth of what you saw and heard you get dismissed, listen to the first interview and look at the jewish reporter's expression at 33 seconds.

When you give the relayed script account youre given more airtime and coached along by the reporter as in the 2nd interview, guy sounds so phony, too descriptive, too many obvious lies. Lol he has the hard hat on while driving trying to give the impression he had boots on the ground.

[jtoler]

The massive weight of the building coming down with gravity behind it, collapsing building structure weak points and exploding out is what those explosions were.. With every floor collapsing and picking up speed with gravity and force simply stressed out the structures weak points below the collapsing areas. Happen to be in systematical places of the building..

They called in a few building engineers on a tv documentary that I saw a few years back that clearly explained it all away.. Was like a domino effect once the building gave way at the highest points of plane impact and when starting to tumble down..

In the vid you see tiny explosions at exact points in the building structure and those were the weakest points in the structure giving way.. Just that simple and yes it probably sounded like explosions under all that force and weight coming down..

That's it man.. Debunked already..

No bro no massive weight, this was explosion sounds way before any building collapse happened, as the "event" was occurring and people running. Go watch the vids and watch up and down the outside of the building, you will see explosions along the framework of the building, its obvious, but believe what you want to believe.

[The Kraken]

UFO sightings. Hoaxed moon landings. Reptiles who rule the world.What, in the name of our alleged lizard overlords, convinces a person to believe in conspiracy theories?
According to a pair of new studies published in the journal Applied Cognitive Psychology, conspiracy theorists—and there are a lot more of them than you may think—tend to have one thing in common: they feel a lack of control over their lives.
Jan-Willem van Prooijen, associate professor in social and organizational psychology at VU University Amsterdam, has been studying conspiracy theories and those who believe them for six years. “When I started this research, one of the things that I really found astonishing was how many people believe in certain conspiracy theories,” he says.
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Conspiracy theories often crop up during times of uncertainty and fear: after terrorist strikes, financial crises, high-profile deaths and natural disasters. Past research suggests that if people feel they don’t have control over a situation, they’ll try to make sense of it and find out what happened. “The sense-making leads them to connect dots that aren’t necessarily connected in reality,” van Prooijen says.
He and his team showed that the opposite is also true: feeling a sense of control is protective against believing conspiracy theories. In one of the studies, they split 119 people into two groups and told one group to write down times when they were totally in control; the other group was told to jot down a time when they didn’t feel in control. (This gave one group a powerful feeling, while the other felt helpless.)
The researchers then surveyed their attitudes on a building project in Amsterdam that accidentally destroyed the foundations of many houses, and which many people believed was a conspiracy of the city council. But those who had been primed to feel in control were less likely to believe the government was up to something evil. “We found that if you give people a feeling of control, then they are less inclined to believe those conspiracy theories,” he says. “Giving people a sense of control can make them less suspicious over governmental operations.”
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The Dutch, of course, aren’t the only believers. The second experiment looked at survey data from a nationally representative sample of Americans conducted in the last months of 1999 leading up to Y2K. “The more that people feared the millennium bug in 1999, the more likely they were inclined to believe in other conspiracy theories, ranging from Kennedy to the government hiding evidence of the existence of UFOs,” van Prooijen says. The best predictor of believing in one conspiracy, he says, is believing in another.
This finding backs up data from another group last year, which found that 37% of surveyed Americans believe that the FDA is deliberately preventing the public from accessing natural cures for cancer because they’re beholden to drug companies.
These beliefs can be very hard to change, but giving people a feeling of control could help dispel some conspiratorial beliefs, the new research suggests—a finding that could prove useful worldwide. “There are no doubt cultural variables influencing it,” van Prooijen says. “But the essence of conspiracy theorizing is, I think, universal in human beings. People have a natural tendency to be suspicious of groups that are powerful and potentially hostile.”

There's a whole science to studying people that believe in conspiracy theories, certainly not new.

The two biggest take aways are that the best predictor a person will believe in a conspiracy theory is that they've believed in other conspiracy theories I'd say SBR certainly follows #1. It's the same folks, every time

#2 tries to get to the root cause of why some people are more prone to believe in conspiracy theories, or things that never happened, like 9/11 being a cover up. Ultimately, scientists find that certain people feel more powerless, or less in control, of the world, therefore they're more likely to try and connect dots that don't agree with reality

Science is science folks and it's figured you guys out

Ultimately, SBR also follows #2. Those of us with a firm grasp on the world, that feel as if we're in control, that aren't helpless or powerless, tend to not believe in conspiracy theories. And the reverse holds true.

[The Kraken]

No bro no massive weight, this was explosion sounds way before any building happened, as the "event" was occurring and people running. Go watch the vids and watch up and down the outside of the building, you will see explosions along the framework of the building, its obvious, but believe what you want to believe.

Toler, you tell us what the explosions were.

Our lack of knowing isn't proof on your side.

So if you have proof, not an opinion, but proof of what the explosions were, please present them here. I'm certainly open minded enough to change my opinion, as I have here many times before, but it's got to be logical.

[jtoler]

Toler, you tell us what the explosions were.

Our lack of knowing isn't proof on your side.

So if you have proof, not an opinion, but proof of what the explosions were, please present them here. I'm certainly open minded enough to change my opinion, as I have here many times before, but it's got to be logical.

What do you mean by proof, receipts? Cant help you there, but I saw what could have appeared to be such in the video. Also there are many vids with firemen using terms related to such. The black female worker who was at the Pentagon has a good story, dont see why she would lie, she's been threatened, said she saw no evidence of a plane while she ran out with her small child I believe, reporters there said the same thing, same with Shanksville, but nobody wants to talk about no evidence of planes which is strange when believing such occurred. Just go to google and type in plane crash photos or youtube and look at plane wreckage, when one happens its unmistakable. Watch what happens when a plane comes into contact with something. Looks no different than a radio controlled plane crashing really.

[JIBBBY]

No bro no massive weight, this was explosion sounds way before any building collapse happened, as the "event" was occurring and people running. Go watch the vids and watch up and down the outside of the building, you will see explosions along the framework of the building, its obvious, but believe what you want to believe.

Watch a couple of 9/11 explosion debunked vids on youtube.. Maybe you'll change your mind once you understand how these high rise structures are built and what stresses they are actually capable of taking. The lower levels were buckling long before the building began to completely collapse simply put and I'll explain why..

Think of it this way - you have a stationary building with no added stress.. All of the sudden a plane slams into it and rocks it's very core, sending shock waves thru the entire structure.. Fuel fire slowly melts away the structure at the point of impact.. Buckling and collapsing has already began at lower points in the building.. The weakest points exploded out like every 10 floors in systematic order if I remember correctly off a visual of the actual collapse..

Not planted explosions but rather weak connection points in the structure giving way prior to the full collapse..

[jtoler]

Nope again. These statements were made as the "event" was occurring. I've seen enough in the past to not need to see anything else, better yet I understand why this happened. Now show me where another building fell like that in history that didn't have explosives, strange 3 did that day.

[JIBBBY]

Toler, you tell us what the explosions were.

Our lack of knowing isn't proof on your side.

So if you have proof, not an opinion, but proof of what the explosions were, please present them here. I'm certainly open minded enough to change my opinion, as I have here many times before, but it's got to be logical.

There is no proof and there never will be because it doesn't exist...

Common sense tells you if there were multiple huge bombs planted in the buildings why would you even need the planes to slam into them? Why not just set off the bombs and bring the buildings down and call it a day and a terrorist attack?..

Right? Common sense usually is the ultimate debunk tool with conspiracy theories.....

Also isn't 2 planes slamming into the twin towers visual enough for shock value, do you really need to set off bombs to make more destruction and potentially blow the cover?

The conspiracy itself doesn't make sense period....

Use common sense people

[jtoler]

There is no proof and there never will be because it doesn't exist...

Common sense tells you if there were multiple huge bombs planted in the buildings why would you even need the planes to slam into them? Why not just set off the bombs and bring the buildings down and call it a day and a terrorist attack?..

Right? Common sense usually is the ultimate debunk tool with conspiracy theories.....

Also isn't 2 planes slamming into the twin towers visual enough for shock value, do you really need to set off bombs to make more destruction and potentially blow the cover?

The conspiracy itself doesn't make sense period....

Use common sense people

Ironically thats exactly what happened.

[Ebe]

lmao unreal how dumb people are

I cant even read this stuff anymore

What do you think happens if all of a sudden the buildings come down to bombs only numbnuts

[Ebe]

How on Gods green Earth would you manage to blame that on terrrorists

Are you people real?

[The Kraken]

What do you mean by proof, receipts? Cant help you there, but I saw what could have appeared to be such in the video. Also there are many vids with firemen using terms related to such. The black female worker who was at the Pentagon has a good story, dont see why she would lie, she's been threatened, said she saw no evidence of a plane while she ran out with her small child I believe, reporters there said the same thing, same with Shanksville, but nobody wants to talk about no evidence of planes which is strange when believing such occurred. Just go to google and type in plane crash photos or youtube and look at plane wreckage, when one happens its unmistakable. Watch what happens when a plane comes into contact with something. Looks no different than a radio controlled plane crashing really.

Well if you don't have a receipt, then there's just no need to go further

[Kermit]

Looks no different than a radio controlled plane crashing really.

I couldn't find any pictures or video of a fully fueled Jet that size at that speed crashing into a building other than the ones in New York.

[Kermit]

How on Gods green Earth would you manage to blame that on terrrorists

Are you people real?

Did you know in 1993 that terrorists tried to blow up the foundation of tower 1 and knock it into the 2nd tower?

I was actually surprised how many people(probably because of their age) didn't know this.