No planes on 9-11-01

[JIBBBY]

I tried to reason with you guys and make perfect sense but I have no takers.. One last attempt...Try to take this post in..

Building explosions are seen going downward in timely order in this actual video I found.. Legit video here.. If bombs were going off why would the building come tumbling down from top to bottom? We've all seen many building demolitions, the bottom falls out and then structure comes down.. Didn't happen with the twin towers like that did it? .

It clearly toppled down from the top to bottom and from the impact point.. So were those bombs duds, why didn't the building structure collapse in the middle or bottom areas first where the alleged bombs were heard and went off?

Common sense people please.... Use it... Or just use the laws of physics..

[jtoler]

I couldn't find any pictures or video of a fully fueled Jet that size at that speed crashing into a building other than the ones in New York.

What speed?

[Kermit]

What speed?

The speed of the ones that hit the towers in New York.

[jtoler]

The speed of the ones that hit the towers in New York.

Which was? I've read 500-600 mph here many times, which is impossible.

[Kermit]

Which was? I've read 500-600 mph here many times, which is impossible.

400.

I don't know where 600 came from.

There is nothing in history to compare this to.

[The Kraken]

We'll argue about anything

Neither side gonna prove anything, nor change the others opinions

Merry Crhistmass you'll Grinches

[Kermit]

Which was? I've read 500-600 mph here many times, which is impossible.

NIST stated AA11 flew 443 MPH and UA175 flew 542 MPH.

Is this accurate?

[Ebe]

Why would NIST lie

Its not like they have anything to hide or are censored or anything

[jtoler]

400.

I don't know where 600 came from.

There is nothing in history to compare this to.

B-25 Empire State Building. But still.

[Kermit]

B-25 Empire State Building. But still.

Not even in the same ballpark. I mean, yeah, it was a plane, but nowhere near the size, fuel, or speed.

Hell Cory Lidle crashed his plane into a building in New York.

[Kermit]

Why would NIST lie

Its not like they have anything to hide or are censored or anything

Well, according to the youtube vids that you've analyzed, how fast were the planes going?

[ByeShea]

It wasnt an attack by Atta and Co Auto Donk

Do more research and you will inevitably come to the same comclusion

I assure you

Interesting. When did you arrive at this comclusion?

[Ebe]

Something called common sense

[mohye1980]

lay this one out for me, please...... your saying Ted Olsen's wife didn't really die? or that the solicitor general was somehow paid off to say his wife died?

where did the flights with the "lost" passengers go? the gov't hi jacked the planes and killed all the passengers? and planted those camel jockeys down in florida, partying it up in the nights before the attacks? and the gov't recruited these foreign kahkmasters to be part of the ruse?

I'll believe that the cia killed kennedy long before I ever believe this was a US planned operation..... at least with kennedy, you had 60-something eyewitnesses say they thought they heard a shot or shots coming from the grassy knoll, and some witnesses saw a man running from behind the picket fence along the knoll..... and kennedy had a f'n bullet entry wound in the front of his neck.... and now we have james files saying he shot kennedy from the grassy knoll......

So, with regard to 9-11, enlighten me as to who the hell planned this and why.... just give me a brief synopsis.....

and we did all of this why? to attack Iraq? Afghanistan????

Long story short our defense department lost billions of dollars. Only way to hide it is to go to war. Start a war with an attack on the U.S. And they can have billions and billions more to throw away.

[Kermit]

Long story short our defense department lost billions of dollars. Only way to hide it is to go to war. Start a war with an attack on the U.S. And they can have billions and billions more to throw away.

But let's be honest, when has the U.S. ever needed a reason to do anything? The majority of the time our Government is wasting money in other countries and no citizens even know about it.

Pretending to attack our own country just seems unnecessary considering what we've done in the past. Why kill 1000's and do Billions of dollars in damage as an excuse to do something that is second nature anyways?

[jtoler]

But let's be honest, when has the U.S. ever needed a reason to do anything? The majority of the time our Government is wasting money in other countries and no citizens even know about it.

Pretending to attack our own country just seems unnecessary considering what we've done in the past. Why kill 1000's and do Billions of dollars in damage as an excuse to do something that is second nature anyways?

Who would approve a war without a reason?

[BigDofBA]

This is still going on....

I could literally tell some of these conspiracy theorist that I was in Manhattan and saw the planes hit the building and they would still try to argue with me that it didn't happen. I could show a picture of flight debris at the pentagon and they would say it was fake. I could show them countless studies done by engineers and physicist and they would say those people were part of the cover up and refer to some other wacko.

You can't win having a logical debate with these people.

A lot of these "facts" that support the conspiracy theory are complete bullshlt but people are going to believe what they want.

Copying and pasting bs from the Internet likes its truth doesn't prove these conspiracies.

It's really quite funny reading some of these comments. People truly believe this bs and they're the ones people calling others idiots....

If you want to believe it was an inside job, that's your right but the fact that people get mad when they're presented with facts makes them look bad. It's like a little kid throwing a fit when you tell them Santa Clause isn't real.

[Ebe]

Still not understanding that we're not disputing that planes hit the building

smh

[BigDofBA]

Still not understanding that we're not disputing that planes hit the building

smh

That was someone else, not you. Since you believe planes did crash into the WTC, who do you think flew them?

Like I've said before, we probably don't know all the facts and I don't trust our government any more than the next guy. I also think it's good people research things wanting more answers. I just want people to research things on their own before they jump on the conspiracy bandwagon.

I used to buy into a lot of the 911 theories until I actually researched to see if what people were saying was true. A lot of it isn't which led me to believe these people weren't very credible.

Anyway, just like you don't want to trust the government's statements regarding 911, you shouldn't trust accusations made by a bunch of nerds on the Internet.

If you guys truly believe what you're saying, I'm not going to call you idiots. I'm just not going to agree with which is fine. We can have different opinions and beliefs in America.

[Ebe]

Ive researched it a ton. I know what happened. You don't.

[BigDofBA]

Ive researched it a ton. I know what happened. You don't.

That makes you seem ignorant and unreasonable. You'r researched things on the "internet" so now you know exactly what happened? How is that any different than someone believing the official story?

I know it wasn't you but one "truther" said planes didn't hit the tower. I have a friend that lives between 14th and 15th street in Manhattan and watched the second plane hit with his own eyes. So me and you know that the theory that planes weren't used is complete bulls1t.

Despite that fact, conspiracy nutjobs have went to extreme lengths to come up with long fabricated reasons to rationalize planes not hitting the building.

Since we both agree that planes did hit the building, who do you think were flying them?

I'm just trying to have a conversation with you so please answer the question. Saying you've researched a ton and know what happened is pretty childish. Feel free to ask me a question. I've answered several in this thread using my own brain rather than internet "truther" articles.

[Ebe]

This is retarded

Believe whatever you want

Just know how horribly wrong you are

[BigDofBA]

This is retarded

Believe whatever you want

Just know how horribly wrong you are

Again you look childish. When asked to provide facts you just try to throw out an insult and tell other people they're wrong and you know more than them.

It's pretty obvious you don't know a lot about how a demolition actually works either. The central claim is that the buildings were brought down by a controlled demolition. These is complete an utter non-sense.

When a demolition occurs, you hear a series of very loud explosions that can be heard from miles away. Despite what you choose to believe, that did not happen. The building fell actually pretty quietly in comparison to what a demolition sounds like.

Secondly, the pops you see coming out of the windows (which you think are bombs lmao) is nothing more than the air pressure being released. This is caused by the roofs above collapsing. All of that air has to go somewhere. True demolition waves occur before a building collapses, not after it already begins to collapse like the conspiracy theorist are saying. With that said, you obviously didn't know that and neither did the conspiracy theorist so I hope you have learned something new today.

There are way more facts disproving all of your theories. Since I've just given you some real info. I'll once again wait for your empty response telling everyone you know it all without saying anything that is actually factual or of substance.

[Ebe]

Ive made dozens of informative posts in this thread

Its pointless and like herding cattle

If you want you can go back and read them

[JIBBBY]

Long story short our defense department lost billions of dollars. Only way to hide it is to go to war. Start a war with an attack on the U.S. And they can have billions and billions more to throw away.

Load of crap.. Did this at the expense of 5000 American civilian lives.. Our Government and leaders at that time (Bush) are completely the Anti-Christ if so..

Lol'ing over here at some of your guys thinking.....

[Ebe]

Mohammed Atta's passport was recovered but they never were able to recover the black box of the plane

And that seems plausible to you

Why did the military not shoot down any of the planes

How did building 7 collapse when not even hit by a plane

Why was there molten metal found

Why all the other strange discrepencies in the story

It seems feasible to you that inexperienced pilots pulled this off and then killed themselves?

[Ebe]

The government doesnt give a rats ass about a handful of civilians

Thats funny

[BigDofBA]

Load of crap.. Did this at the expense of 5000 American civilian lives.. Our Government and leaders at that time (Bush) are completely the Anti-Christ if so..

Lol'ing over here at some of your guys thinking.....

The thing is, the government invades countries all the time. They do whatever they want. They wouldn't need to orchestrate 911 to goto war. Saying the gov. could pull off that type of feat is giving them way too much credit.

As for the Ebe guy, he is stuck on a few key points he can't get out of his head. He has no comeback for the facts about how a demolition actually occurs.

I've gotten through that planes did in fact strike the WTC and now I'm trying to get through that the building was not brought down by a demolition. It's like baby steps.

I keep asking who flew the planes if it was an inside job but no one has told me....

[Kermit]

Mohammed Atta's passport was recovered but they never were able to recover the black box of the plane

And that seems plausible to you

Why did the military not shoot down any of the planes

How did building 7 collapse when not even hit by a plane

Why was there molten metal found

Why all the other strange discrepencies in the story

It seems feasible to you that inexperienced pilots pulled this off and then killed themselves?

I do believe that fight 93 was shot down in Pennsylvania. I live very close to where that plane went down and heard numerous witnesses accounts on our local TV networks and they all had similar stories about fireballs on the jet in the sky and fighter jets seen around it. Then the whole story about the passengers taking over the plane and crashing it surfaced which I honestly do not believe. Not to mention that it went down in the middle of nowhere.

I can't deny that if I had to make the call that I would have shot that plane down as well instead of reaching it's intended target.

[Ebe]

Why would I need to come back about how a demolition works

What the devil are you talking about

[BigDofBA]

Mohammed Atta's passport was recovered but they never were able to recover the black box of the plane

And that seems plausible to you

Why did the military not shoot down any of the planes - I think it's plausible they shot down the plane in Penn.

How did building 7 collapse when not even hit by a plane - Two of the biggest buildings in the world collapsed right next to it....

Why was there molten metal found - There is no evidence of this and I've already debunked the demolition theory.

Why all the other strange discrepencies in the story - I agree it was a strange day but what other discrepancies?

It seems feasible to you that inexperienced pilots pulled this off and then killed themselves? - Yes. Taking off and landing are the hard parts of flying. Who do you think flew the plane?

Please see my answers above in red. Waiting on yours.

[BigDofBA]

My main problem with the 911 truthers is that they demand for investigations even though investigations have already occurred. It was the most investigated event in history. Even when their theories are investigated and proved false, they just demand more investigations and claim the investigators are in on it....

Then there is building 7 that they always freak out about. Idiots say "See, it looks just like a controlled demoliation......" Maybe to the average person that doesn't know anything but in reality NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT A DEMOLITION LOOKS LIKE! Demolitions start at bottom of the building and you can see the shock waves before the building starts collapsing. It's not the other way around like we saw with the WTC. Read post #268 above.

The towers both buckled right near the points at which the planes impacted, started collapsing, and then you saw air pressure explode out the windows below. It wasn't a precisely timed thermite explosion that was SECRETLY planted and timed. Why is that so fvcking hard to understand? Also, the building didn't collapse perfectly in it's foot prints like truthers claim. It may have appeared that way on TV but it didn't. It's just another case of someone making something up and people running with it.

Lets say the official story isn't true and it's all a cover up. What really happened you conspiracy theory people? Who hijacked the planes? Who flew them into the buildings? Why? Were the passengers all fake? What really happened that day and why? LMAO. You guys don't know. You're just firing out theories and asking ignorant questions that you're not ready to accept the answers for.

[jtoler]

I do believe that fight 93 was shot down in Pennsylvania. I live very close to where that plane went down and heard numerous witnesses accounts on our local TV networks and they all had similar stories about fireballs on the jet in the sky and fighter jets seen around it. Then the whole story about the passengers taking over the plane and crashing it surfaced which I honestly do not believe. Not to mention that it went down in the middle of nowhere.

I can't deny that if I had to make the call that I would have shot that plane down as well instead of reaching it's intended target.

How did that crater form and where was the plane?

[JIBBBY]

Why would I need to come back about how a demolition works

What the devil are you talking about

Bombs were supposedly planted in the twin towers to help bring them down is the conspiracy theory suggested after the planes already hit.. Which doesn't make any sense..

In demolition they detonate explosives at the base of structures on up all the time, explosives are places at the bottom strong points of the building structure first and then the entire structure then collapses from the bottom area on up.. The twin towers when they came tumbling down was from top to bottom and the starting point was from place of plane impact....

Hense bomb theory debunked in the twin towers....

[Ebe]

The investigation was a bunch of BS

underfunded, censored, and set up to fail from the very beginning