Originally posted by Ebe
And is that enough to prove 9/11 was a conspiracy in your mind?
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For once, you tell us why
And is that enough to prove 9/11 was a conspiracy in your mind?Comment -
Noone can explain how steel melted at temperatures that are physically impossible?
But you still accept the story?
What kind of retard are you?Comment -
Originally posted by The Kraken
Because nano-thermite was used. Its used in controlled demolitions. And it gets hot enough to melt steel.
Its why those buildings really collapsed.Comment -
The One Meridian Plaza Fire
One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. 1 2 3 It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".
The fire caused window breakage, cracking of granite, and failures of spandrel panel connections. 4 Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed.
The First Interstate Bank fire Comment -
The First Interstate Bank FireThe First Interstate Bank fire
The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city's history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. The fire caused extensive window breakage, which complicated firefighting efforts. Large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze. Firefighting efforts resulted in massive water damage to floors below the fire, and the fire gutted offices from the 12th to the 16th floor, and caused extensive smoke damage to floors above. The fire caused an estimated $200 million in direct property loss. 5
A report by Iklim Ltd. describes the structural damage from the fire:
In spite of the total burnout of four and a half floors, there was no damage to the main structural members and only minor damage to one secondary beam and a small number of floor pans. 6
LINKThe 1 New York Plaza Fire
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The most recent example of a spectacular skyscraper fire was the burning of the Hotel Mandarin Oriental starting on February 9, 2009. The nearly completed 520-foot-tall skyscraper in Beijing caught fire around 8:00 pm, was engulfed within 20 minutes, and burned for at least 3 hours until midnight. Despite the fact that the fire extended across all of the floors for a period of time and burned out of control for hours, no large portion of the structure collapsed.
The Hotel Mandarin Oriental blazes
It is tempting to draw parallels between this spectacle and the destruction of WTC 1, 2, and 7 because of the stark opposites: on 9/11/01, three skyscrapers were transformed into piles of rubble primarily as a consequence, supposedly, of fires -- fires spanning small fractions of each building; and on 2/09/09, a skyscraper remained intact after burning like a torch for hours. However such parallels may be limited by major structural differences between the buildings in the two cases -- one being that the Hotel Mandarin Oriental, designed by the famous Dutch architect Rem Koolhaas, had a full-height interior atrium, and thus had the hollowness that the 9-11 Commission deceptively attempted to attribute to the Twin Towers. 10
Perhaps the relevance of the Mandarin fire to the events of 9/11/2001 is more symbolic than forensic. The Mandarin fire is examined more fully here.
References
1. ONE MERIDIAN PLAZA, Philadelphia Fire Films, 1991, [cached]
2. High-rise Office Building Fire One Meridian Plaza, [cached]
3. One Meridien Plaza, [cached]
4. High-rise Office Building Fire One Meridian Plaza Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, [cached]
5. First Interstate Bank Fire, lafire.com, [cached]Comment -
Lol
So some truth and facts were presented and he went on a copy and paste rampage calling everyone stupid and throwing out insults.
I'm not surprised. People really need to be careful when they start believing a lot of this crap on he Internet.
We can literally show pictures of wreckage and planes yet people still don't believe it. It is really sad.
Merry Christmas. I'm done with this crap. No point in trying to reason logic.Comment -
3 steel framed buildings in the history of the world have collapsed
all on 9-11Comment -
Originally posted by BigDofBA
Unreal
the irony
I can only hope and pray someday you realize how wrong you are
when that happens think of meComment -
Free fall speeds?Originally posted by Ebe
Find the formula on how to calculate free fall speed, do the math, and get back to me.
I did the math, it's what I do for a living, tell me if that tower fell at free fall speed?
How many lies to I have to prove here?
5, 10, 299?
Check out pal, your out of your league here.Comment -
You vile little queer. You have no clue what you're even talking about.
You're hopeless.Comment -
How many times have a Boeing 757 and 767 crashed into a high raise building full of jet fuel going close to 500 mph?Originally posted by Ebe
You're just reciting the same shit truthers say in all of heir videos to justify their wild theories. I've already heard and read all of that. Bring out something new hat hasn't been disproven.Comment -
What about the unusually high number of put options that indicate foreknoledge of the attacks? Yet another coincidence?Comment -
After the buildings were severely damaged by the planes hitting them, why would it have even been necessary for the Government to use explosives to bring them down in broad daylight knowing that people would try and find flaws and conspiracy in their destruction ?
The planes hitting the buildings would have already more than enough. It wasn't like the damage and the fires could possibly be contained.Comment -
Why is it so hard for people to get this stuff through their idiotic brains. Its unreal.Comment -
Our government has always been of the classic sociopath mentality. Do something and then blame it on someone else, most warring countries do the same thing, this is done to gain public support. In all of such look no further than what transpires afterwards. What happened after 9//11, an "event" happened and it was blamed on someone else, public support was gained to go to war, not even firstly with the country who we blamed the event on, but with Iraq(I know how weird), then Afghanistan. Nations typically respect other nations everybody has guns, so how do you get something done, you either provoke it, which we and many countries have done so many times, or you create it and blame it on them, which we and many countries have done many times. Just think if many knew history such things as 9/11 and the many things that dont add up would become clear and things would make much more sense then. The U.S. has a script it usually follows, it doesnt deviate often, first they try and reason with a leader sometimes through loans to indebt, when that doesnt work, then they try to assassinate him and or overthrow him by screwing with their elections, next its sanctions, if no response then its usually war of some kind.Comment -
Originally posted by Kermit
SMH
your interpretation of the events is off
Planes were used as a coverup to cover the controlled demoltionComment -
Theres many things that are wrong that all fit together. Its not one or two or 2 things.
Its honestly crazy to me how dumb people are though. Thats for sure.
The government counts on your retardness.
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Originally posted by EbeBelow is a message from Stephen D. Chastain of Metal Talk.Several times over the last year I have been asked to comment on a photo of one of the Trade Center Towers. The photo shows a molten flow from one of the windows. The flow falls down along the building. It appears orange and turns to a gray color as it cools.
The questions usually want me to address "Is this photo a fake?" and "Is the flow steel or aluminum?" "Is this situation possible?"
First, I will address the temperature range, then the color of the flow.
I am working in imperial units and temperature in degrees F [To convert to C use this link]
Metals lose about 50% of their strength at 60% of their melting temperature. This is common knowledge and may be found in any undergraduate text regarding "Fracture and Deformation of Materials."
If the approximate melting temperature of steel is 2750 F the the material would be plastic at 1650 F. Even assuming a safety factor of 3, you would expect the bolts or other structural members to deform and fail near this temperature, especially with the additional weight if a jet air liner. I would assume that the live load calculations did not include the typical office equipment and an airliner plus a factor of 3. THEREFORE I assume that the flow is not steel and that the temperature of the steel members at the time of the photo is less than 1650 F.
Assuming that the flow would be molten aluminum from the airliner and the color of molten aluminum is silver then why is the flow orange?
The color of pure molten aluminum is silver, It has an emissivity of .12. Steel has an emissivity of .4 and appears orange in the temperature range of molten aluminum.
The emissivity of aluminum oxide is .44 and also appears orange in the melting temperature range of molten aluminum.
The emissivity of plate glass is .937 It begins to soften at 1000 F and flows around 1350 F. Silica has an emissivity of .8
Copper oxide also has an emissivity of .8. however I will assume that their effect is negligible.
Aluminum oxidizes readily in the foundry under ideal melting conditions. Large surface area relative to thickness, turbulence, the presence of water or oil greatly increases the oxidation of aluminum. A jet airliner is made of thin aluminum sheet and most probably suffered considerable oxidation especially in contact with an open flame and being in contact with jet fuel. If you don't believe this, try melting a few soda cans over coals or open flame. If you are lucky you will end up with only 50% aluminum oxide. However, the cans may completely burn up.
The specific gravity of aluminum is 2.7. The specific gravity of aluminum oxide (Al2O3-3H2O) is 2.42 the specific gravity of Si = 2.40 and Glass is 2.65 these are all very similar and likely to be entrained in a molten aluminum flow. Don't believe it? lightly stir the dross into molten aluminum. The surface tension is so high is is almost impossible to separate them.
THEREFORE assuming that the flow consist of molten aluminum and considerable oxides, and assuming that the windows in the trade center were plate glass and also in a plastic state and that they were also likely entrained in the molten aluminum. I would expect the flow to appear to be orange in color. Especially since both the entrained materials have emissivities equal to or more than twice that of iron.
Also since dross cools to a gray color and glass with impurities also turns dark. I would expect that the flow would darken upon cooling.
I would also suggest that not only is the photo possible, but entirely likely.
Summary: The flow is not steel because the structural steel would fail well below the melting temperature. The flow is likely to be a mixture of aluminum, aluminum oxides, molten glass and coals of whatever trash the aluminum flowed over as it reached the open window. Such a flow would appear orange and cool to a dark color.
Stephen D. Chastain
I've highlighted the important parts, there was no nano-thermite, that's simply never been proven, only assumed, and it was put into place to bridge a theory that couldn't be proven otherwise. There was nano-thermite, it's simply unproven.
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no, you ape
just noComment -
nano thermite is the central core of your argument, without it you have nada, you can't explain anythingOriginally posted by Ebe
So by all means Ebe, I'd love to see proof of nano-thermiteComment -
Urgent: Scientists Confirm Nano-thermite Explosives Used to Demolish Towers on 9/11...Physics Journal Publishes Hard Peer-reviewed Evidence of WTC Explosives...Twenty-five Military Officers Call Official 9/11 story "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up", investigate 911 now...Majority of 9/11 Commissioners Now Say Government Lied...1,000 Architects & Engineers "calling for a Grand Jury investigation of NIST officials"...
Scientists find Nano-thermite explosives (estimated at over 10-tons) at the World Trade Center catastrophe.Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
The paper's first author is Dr. Niels Harrit, a 37-year Professor of Chemistry at Copenhagen University in Denmark and an expert in Nano-chemistry, who says, "The official account put forth by NIST violates the fundamental laws of physics."
Government and independent evidence corroborates Thermitic explosives used to bring down all three WTC Towers on 9/11. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
Over a thousand architects, engineers, academics, and high-ranking military officers, as well as hundreds of 9/11 firemen, survivors, and family members have challenged the government's conspiracy theory.Twenty-five military officers call the official 9/11 story, "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up". Forty-one U.S. counter-terrorism and intelligence agency veterans challenge the official 9/11 account, calling it, "terribly flawed", "laced with contradictions", "a joke", "a cover-up".
The majority of 9/11 Commissioners now say that the government lied about 9/11, including its Chairman, Thomas Kean (Republican), Vice Chairman, Lee Hamilton (Democrat), and its Senior Legal Counsel, John Farmer, who states, "there was an agreement not to tell the truth."
According to a scientific poll by New York Times & CBS News, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11, while 81% think it is hiding something or mostly lying. CNN poll shows that 89% believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11.
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They are all lying and making it up tho. But you are correct.
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[QUOTE=Ebe;25023841
What kind of retard are you?[/QUOTE]
Is there more than one kind of retard?
I suppose there are, you're provin yourself out to be multiple.
Hugs and kisses sweety, I'm out, 30 minutes debating with a tin foil hat wearer is enough.
Merry Christmas, oh, not going to kill myself.
Happy cutting and pastingComment -
you're a complete moron. Just remember that.Comment -
Originally posted by Ebe
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Originally posted by EbeComment -
How did they know exactly where the planes should hit so they didn't set off any of these explosives prematurely? The planes took out many floors when they hit and the fires were spreading and burned for awhile.Originally posted by EbeComment -
- The problem here is that when the "truthers" say there was not wreckage, we show them pictures of wreckage.Originally posted by The Kraken
- When the "truthers" say it was IMPOSSIBLE for phones to be used in the planes, we prove that it wasn't impossible.
- When "truthers" say planes didn't hit the towers, we provided evidence that they did. Ex. I know someone that lives there that saw it.
When we ask the "truthers" for their evidence, they have nothing. I could type something up on and post it online saying explosive residue was found. That doesn't mean it was.
I find it ironic that the "truther" is calling us dumb and shouting insults when all we're doing is asking for evidence. I think it's good that people look into things like this and question things but at least have your shit together and make sense. I want facts, not shit people are making up online.
It's also pointless when "truthers" spew rhetoric like "This was the only time in histroy two high rise buildings collapsed due to fire." That's a really weak argument and shows how baseless their theories are. This was the first time in history a lot of things happened...such as a 767 flying full speed into a building.Comment -
Originally posted by EbeUrgent: Scientists Confirm Nano-thermite Explosives Used to Demolish Towers on 9/11...Physics Journal Publishes Hard Peer-reviewed Evidence of WTC Explosives...Twenty-five Military Officers Call Official 9/11 story "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up", investigate 911 now...Majority of 9/11 Commissioners Now Say Government Lied...1,000 Architects & Engineers "calling for a Grand Jury investigation of NIST officials"...
Scientists find Nano-thermite explosives (estimated at over 10-tons) at the World Trade Center catastrophe.Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
The paper's first author is Dr. Niels Harrit, a 37-year Professor of Chemistry at Copenhagen University in Denmark and an expert in Nano-chemistry, who says, "The official account put forth by NIST violates the fundamental laws of physics."
Government and independent evidence corroborates Thermitic explosives used to bring down all three WTC Towers on 9/11. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
Over a thousand architects, engineers, academics, and high-ranking military officers, as well as hundreds of 9/11 firemen, survivors, and family members have challenged the government's conspiracy theory.Twenty-five military officers call the official 9/11 story, "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up". Forty-one U.S. counter-terrorism and intelligence agency veterans challenge the official 9/11 account, calling it, "terribly flawed", "laced with contradictions", "a joke", "a cover-up".
The majority of 9/11 Commissioners now say that the government lied about 9/11, including its Chairman, Thomas Kean (Republican), Vice Chairman, Lee Hamilton (Democrat), and its Senior Legal Counsel, John Farmer, who states, "there was an agreement not to tell the truth."
According to a scientific poll by New York Times & CBS News, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11, while 81% think it is hiding something or mostly lying. CNN poll shows that 89% believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11.
Interesting how this gets dismissed
Obviously you morons are smarter than these doctors, professors, engineers etc.
JFC you idiots are sad
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None of what you said can be shown to be a plane but anyway. Do you think what General Wesley Clark said about the 7 countries he was showed a memo of that we would go to war with right after 9/11 was false. Its happened, how can one know in advance whom they are going to war with? What is the link in such?Originally posted by BigDofBAComment -
You guys are funny. You know there was a documentary on Pentagon burn victims that actually worked there.. Yes they smelled jet fuel and yes they were burnt by jet fuel.. Confirmed by doctors that worked on them after interviews.. This Pentagon conspiracy thing was debunked years ago.. Yes it was a plane that hit the Pentagon and not a cruise missile...
Pentagon crash real
Twin Tower crash real
Building coming down in small explosion like images was real as well.. Those explosion between floors was actually the weight of the building coming down with force and the building structure weak points giving way and exploding out every so many floors.. That's why it looked like a timed explosives.. Structural Engineers already debunked that too..
All conspiracy theories have already been debunked over and over again..
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So you post some pictures and expect everyone to just believe that the red pieces are actually nano-thermite?Originally posted by EbeUrgent: Scientists Confirm Nano-thermite Explosives Used to Demolish Towers on 9/11...Physics Journal Publishes Hard Peer-reviewed Evidence of WTC Explosives...Twenty-five Military Officers Call Official 9/11 story "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up", investigate 911 now...Majority of 9/11 Commissioners Now Say Government Lied...1,000 Architects & Engineers "calling for a Grand Jury investigation of NIST officials"...
Scientists find Nano-thermite explosives (estimated at over 10-tons) at the World Trade Center catastrophe.Nano-thermite explosives shown above were gathered from the WTC debris shortly after the towers fell on 9/11. Brigham Young University Physics Professor, Dr. Steven Jones, discovered the explosives and joined an international team of nine scientists for further analysis. Through extensive laboratory testing, the scientists concluded that the samples were Nano-thermitic explosives. After a rigorous peer-review process, their paper was published in the Bentham Chemical Physics Journal, which has been endorsed by Nobel Laureates and is respected within the scientific community.
The paper's first author is Dr. Niels Harrit, a 37-year Professor of Chemistry at Copenhagen University in Denmark and an expert in Nano-chemistry, who says, "The official account put forth by NIST violates the fundamental laws of physics."
Government and independent evidence corroborates Thermitic explosives used to bring down all three WTC Towers on 9/11. (sources 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8)
Over a thousand architects, engineers, academics, and high-ranking military officers, as well as hundreds of 9/11 firemen, survivors, and family members have challenged the government's conspiracy theory.Twenty-five military officers call the official 9/11 story, "Impossible", "Ludicrous", "A well-organized cover-up". Forty-one U.S. counter-terrorism and intelligence agency veterans challenge the official 9/11 account, calling it, "terribly flawed", "laced with contradictions", "a joke", "a cover-up".
The majority of 9/11 Commissioners now say that the government lied about 9/11, including its Chairman, Thomas Kean (Republican), Vice Chairman, Lee Hamilton (Democrat), and its Senior Legal Counsel, John Farmer, who states, "there was an agreement not to tell the truth."
According to a scientific poll by New York Times & CBS News, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11, while 81% think it is hiding something or mostly lying. CNN poll shows that 89% believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11.
Those red pieces have been debunked as being nano-thermite years ago
Let me ask you Ebe, when was the last time you actually handled nano-thermite? Or dealt with thermite in general?
You don't even know you're being duped because you don't know what you're looking at. It wouldn't have mattered what was in those pics, you would have believed you were looking at nano thermite.
Here's a snippet for you, again I'll bold the important
Basically, Jones never proved anything, not in the scientific world. Jones even had to change the course of his story and say the thermitic material was SPRAYED on everything, 10 tons of itJones investigates only the red and gray chips and not the entire sample. He has a limited sample size. The chips have a laminar nature which suggests a coating or adhesive but he rules out paint by comparing the effect of MEK on some unknown paint and comparing it to the effect on the red chips. This is either incompetence or scientific misconduct and fraud.He sees that there is an organic fraction but does not analyze it. He uses DSC to measure exotherms but does it in a stream of air so he cannot tell the difference between a reaction and plain combustion of components but claims thermitic reaction. His EDAX shows silicon, aluminum, and oxygen in the same areas of the particle but he ignores this congruency; aluminosilicates are clays and are often fillers in paints and coatings. He does not extract a larger sample of the red and gray chips with a more agressive solvent, such as hot DMF or DMF-DMSO which would allow analysis of individual components.
His conclusion that this is a thermitic material is not justified based on the data.
Heres a good one
“We can also say that because Kaolinite is present and that it is embedded in a Carbon based matrix with Rhomboidal Fe2O3 that a more likely explanation for the red material is paint.”
Another explanation about the red particles you posted
Again, there has NEVER been PROVEN that nano thermite was present, only speculated by conspiracy theorists such as yourself as a way to support your version of what happenedComment -
Dismiss news anchors who were there standing on the site who said they saw no evidence of a plane, no fuselage, no wings? If a plane crashes, you know it. There would be seats, luggage, wheels, you know plane. Dismiss survivors who worked there who said they saw no evidence of a plane inside nor outside the pentagon?Originally posted by JIBBBYComment -
Ebe you'll believe anything, without a shred of evidence
That's what I've learned in hereComment
