GOD

[recon1]

have an acquaintance who will probably die soon.. he was in a wreck the other night and has been in a coma ever since...drs. say they arent sure... but all over my facebook are people praying for this and that and saying how good god is and how god will get him through this..yada yada whoreshit yada... your god allowed him to be put there... your god did the damage... but lets forget about all that and if he makes it (at least to a semi partial normal life), well, obviously it will be due to god... such a retarded theory im seriously ashamed that so many can think this way...

i understand that sending prayers or saying whatever is a way of being nice and giving hope and all, but you start talking about god healing a person and you totally lose me... if your god is the solution, then your god created the problem... there is no middle ground folks... its elementary and so many dont want to believe it...if god control all, then god brings the bad and the pain and the problem before LETTING BELIEVERS DOWN with meaningless unanswered prayers...

do right by others, the way you "think" a god would have you do and hope to receive the same in return... but to believe in a god, that created all and pulls all the strings, because of a 5000yr old book, is childish nonsense when you look at what all your supposed god puts people through...

the bible and god attempt to defy logic with impossibilities...impossibilities that we have never seen since they "supposedly" took place before and during the times of jc...

I was a lot like you years ago. I would always ask why God would allow this, or that etc. Only major difference is i would never openly challenge God even though i didn't believe.
Sorry to here about your friend. Best i can tell you is God never offered cookies, milk, warm low humidity sunshine filled days etc. Instead we have Sunshine, rain, good, bad, hungry, fulfilled, dying, birth, disease, cure, happy, sad etc. etc. God did not give us a contract saying if you accept me, i'll give you a life full of ease.
God clearly will use anybody, for his will and his will only. I (just like you) am here to fulfill Gods will whatever it may be. Also, just because an innocent family is murdered doesn't mean it is of Gods will, God is clear as good exist in this world so does Satan and his influences.

[Bostongambler]

It's not logical in the fact that it would be logical based on whatever theory u want, whether it's the big bang theory or something else, but that it wouldn't have a beginning. Wouldn't u agree that is not logical but rather a " why can't it be" statement?

Yes, I do believe in some sort of architect , that's my belief.

[Bostongambler]

I also never got the assumption that how could God do this or do that. If we were merely protected cuz we believe in God , then why even put on our seatbelts when we get in our car.

If some sort of Heaven really exists then maybe we can see the difference.

[zert]

God gave man free will. There are forces of nature involved by God s design. We have storms some are destructive. There is gravity planes fall. We have a mortal body it only last so long. We cannot understand everything.

[raydog]

I was a lot like you years ago. I would always ask why God would allow this, or that etc. Only major difference is i would never openly challenge God even though i didn't believe.
Sorry to here about your friend. Best i can tell you is God never offered cookies, milk, warm low humidity sunshine filled days etc. Instead we have Sunshine, rain, good, bad, hungry, fulfilled, dying, birth, disease, cure, happy, sad etc. etc. God did not give us a contract saying if you accept me, i'll give you a life full of ease.
God clearly will use anybody, for his will and his will only. I (just like you) am here to fulfill Gods will whatever it may be. Also, just because an innocent family is murdered doesn't mean it is of Gods will, God is clear as good exist in this world so does Satan and his influences.

the difference in you and me is that i dont ask god/a god these questions and i dont live my life for anyone other than myself (and family/friends whatever, you get my drift) ... i dont do or not do anything with the thoughts of god in my head... ill never worry if im being judged

i only pose these questions in the thread to keep it going and i keep trying to come up with something new to discuss...although i dont believe, it is still interesting to me...interesting to see others views and what is going on in their minds... this thread has actually pushed me further and further away from ever giving the god theory any real thoughts... ive learned a bit and feel confident in my stance...there is too much illogical bullshit in the bible for me to believe much of it at all... i dont believe, therefor i dont actually sit around wondering why this or why that... i ask , in the thread, because i know there will be no answer and its comical to see believers squirm around trying to find scripture or some logical biblical reasoning, when there is none.

the bible is a fictional book that attempts to teach better morals... it really should be viewed as just that... supposedly, during the time the bible was written, god didnt have any problem proving his powers to others.. impossible feats being performed for all to see and fear... but since the bible, nothing..nada.. nothing impossible occurring and no biblical worthy miracles ... why? its very obvious why

[brainfreeze]

i only pose these questions in the thread to keep it going and i keep trying to come up with something new to discuss...although i dont believe, it is still interesting to me...interesting to see others views and what is going on in their minds... this thread has actually pushed me further and further away from ever giving the god theory any real thoughts... ive learned a bit and feel confident in my stance...there is too much illogical bullshit in the bible for me to believe much of it at all... i dont believe, therefor i dont actually sit around wondering why this or why that... i ask , in the thread, because i know there will be no answer and its comical to see believers squirm around trying to find scripture or some logical biblical reasoning, when there is none.

After all the information discussed in this thread, and you feel " confident " in your stance.... May God help you friend. We don't need you to come up with excuses of why your hanging around in here either, it will go on with or without you... Science uses hypothesis and theories, not God. He proves Himself daily in people like recon, Jtoler, Mr.KLC, me and plenty others... Even on your on facebook as you've stated... Your choice, your will, do what you want with it. God loves you though, raydog... Just want you to know that.

[sourtwist]

Your not getting it raydog, there's a difference between living in sin, and just sinning... When your life revolves around sin, your living in sin... As with homosexuals, there life is centered around lust for the same sex. They talk different, they dress different, they act different, that sin is a lifestyle, and it's a forbidden one. A righteous man might get drunk one night, he sinned... but his life isn't centered around alcohol.

I like this post.

[ACoochy]

Only thing this thread is missing is this

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[sourtwist]

acoochy, please delete that post. extremely inappropriate and disrespectful. show some class, even if that's not your thing.

[ACoochy]

acoochy, please delete that post. extremely inappropriate and disrespectful. show some class, even if that's not your thing.

Twister i know some of you uber religious whack jobs would like to see nothing more than a good old fashioned book burning...

So no the post stays unless taken down by a mod for a valid reason as that picture speaks truth.

If your unable to accept that then thats not my problem...

[Snowball]

i have a neighbor who is 100. within 20 occurances of her lifetime, you're at 1 A.D.
what is 20 lifespans of my neighbor in consecutive order to a GOD ?
whether we get all the answers in 5 years or 5 thousand, will it be NEVER ?
i doubt that. i think 99% of people are full of shit.

[sourtwist]

Acoochy-

I'm not uber religious, I the word uber is not in my vocabulary, so I can only guess that you mean extremely religious, but you're not playing with a full deck it seems, and extremely may be too long a word for you to spell.

I am not religious to the extent of extreme, but I do show respect for everyone except the satanic cult of Islam. the fact that some of your peers here may be religious, and your blatant disregard for others tells enough of a story for the type of person you are. you're beyond help, and have no class.

[sourtwist]

i have a neighbor who is 100. within 20 occurances of her lifetime, you're at 1 A.D.
what is 20 lifespans of my neighbor in consecutive order to a GOD ?
whether we get all the answers in 5 years or 5 thousand, will it be NEVER ?
i doubt that. i think 99% of people are full of shit.

what?

[ACoochy]

Acoochy-

I'm not uber religious, I the word uber is not in my vocabulary, so I can only guess that you mean extremely religious, but you're not playing with a full deck it seems, and extremely may be too long a word for you to spell.

I am not religious to the extent of extreme, but I do show respect for everyone except the satanic cult of Islam. the fact that some of your peers here may be religious, and your blatant disregard for others tells enough of a story for the type of person you are. you're beyond help, and have no class.

Where did i specifically call u out as religious?

Proves that your faith has shown you lack perception...

Sorry but i dont do intentional perceptual ineptness (ie what almost all religious do)...

[sourtwist]

Where did u specifically call u out as religious? Proves you are perceptually inept...

Sorry but i dont do intentional perceptual ineptness (ie what almost all religious do)...

I don't understand the first sentence because it doesn't make sense.

[sourtwist]

Where did i specifically call u out as religious?

Proves that your faith has shown you lack perception...

Sorry but i dont do intentional perceptual ineptness (ie what almost all religious do)...

Twister i know some of you uber religious whack jobs would like to see nothing more than a good old fashioned book burning...

So no the post stays unless taken down by a mod for a valid reason as that picture speaks truth.

If your unable to accept that then thats not my problem...

sometimes i feel like i'm losing my mind

[ACoochy]

sometimes i feel like i'm losing my mind

And did I call you out specifically?

Please show me where I directly personalised your name and singled you out??

Because I didn't and you know it...

Comprehension of context obviously not your strong suit.

Then again you probably do follow a religion so that necessity/pre-requisite to be unquestioning really is on show here...

How low can you go in the name of god here twister??

Gods will= The ultimate 'get out' clause away from personal accountability...

ITs almost TOO convenient don't you think?

[sourtwist]

Twister i know some of you uber religious

[Snowball]

what?

read it again carefully.
think. :-)

[ACoochy]

Twister i know some of you uber religious

Again, SOME of YOU

Where did I directly say you and you only??

Arguing semantics is a waste of time and detracts from the topic at hand.

How about the newborn infant that contracts inoperable eye cancer?

It was gods will right?

Haha you delusional mentally ill types need to seek professional help...

[ACoochy]

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[ACoochy]

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[statnerds]

"Everyday people are straying from the church and going back to God" - Lenny Bruce

not here to say either way, but that is a cool fukkin quote.

although i am working on a idea that argues God benefits greatly from Randomness. Again, not debating the existence on that point, just that the complete misunderstanding of Randomness and its impact help prop up or inflate god.

[sourtwist]

cooch, all I did was ask you to remove your offensive post. since then, I think you've lost it. I'm sure any reasonable person would be able to see that you certainly put me in that category, I did not say you specifically singled me out, but you are twisting your own words, and are the only one practicing semantics. I'm a straight forward guy, you're all over the place trying to spin something to suit your stance. you're not a good guy, and it has nothing to do with God. it has to do with the deep disrespect you have for others. you are taking cheap shots. it's a lot different than simply calling someone a name on a forum. you're taking other people's beliefs that do not by any means change the way you live your life, and who for the most part are tolerant, and slapping them in the face.

I'd also bet that you have never once looked at Muslim faith and expressed your idiocy in their direction because you're too much of a coward.

[ACoochy]

cooch, all I did was ask you to remove your offensive post. since then, I think you've lost it. I'm sure any reasonable person would be able to see that you certainly put me in that category, I did not say you specifically singled me out, but you are twisting your own words, and are the only one practicing semantics. I'm a straight forward guy, you're all over the place trying to spin something to suit your stance. you're not a good guy, and it has nothing to do with God. it has to do with the deep disrespect you have for others. you are taking cheap shots. it's a lot different than simply calling someone a name on a forum. you're taking other people's beliefs that do not by any means change the way you live your life, and who for the most part are tolerant, and slapping them in the face.

I'd also bet that you have never once looked at Muslim faith and expressed your idiocy in their direction because you're too much of a coward.

Twister you've seen nothing yet pal...

When it comes to the sheer idiocy and delusionality of religion this is me being nice...

To be honest the only religion I have any kind of time/respect towards is dauism...

That and if I was forced to believe in a god it would have to be the ancient greek gods for they never pretended to be all knowing, selfish in the extreme and omnipresent...

Unlike the fukktard version of god the current crop has forced down our throat from grade school...

[Triple_D_Bet]

the difference in you and me is that i dont ask god/a god these questions and i dont live my life for anyone other than myself (and family/friends whatever, you get my drift) ... i dont do or not do anything with the thoughts of god in my head... ill never worry if im being judged

i only pose these questions in the thread to keep it going and i keep trying to come up with something new to discuss...although i dont believe, it is still interesting to me...interesting to see others views and what is going on in their minds... this thread has actually pushed me further and further away from ever giving the god theory any real thoughts... ive learned a bit and feel confident in my stance...there is too much illogical bullshit in the bible for me to believe much of it at all... i dont believe, therefor i dont actually sit around wondering why this or why that... i ask , in the thread, because i know there will be no answer and its comical to see believers squirm around trying to find scripture or some logical biblical reasoning, when there is none.

the bible is a fictional book that attempts to teach better morals... it really should be viewed as just that... supposedly, during the time the bible was written, god didnt have any problem proving his powers to others.. impossible feats being performed for all to see and fear... but since the bible, nothing..nada.. nothing impossible occurring and no biblical worthy miracles ... why? its very obvious why

Your not getting it raydog, there's a difference between living in sin, and just sinning... When your life revolves around sin, your living in sin... As with homosexuals, there life is centered around lust for the same sex. They talk different, they dress different, they act different, that sin is a lifestyle, and it's a forbidden one. A righteous man might get drunk one night, he sinned... but his life isn't centered around alcohol.

If a righteous man gets drunk two nights, is he still righteous? What about 3? 5? Where is the line? Common sense tells us a person has a problem when doing something interferes with their ability to function normally (whatever that happens to be at the time), we don't need a religion to tell us this or help us identify it. Where the bible and religions in general mess up is by labeling these actions "sins" regardless of context, and telling people that it's as simple as good and evil instead of shades of gray.

Regarding homosexuals...it doesn't sound like you've ever taken the time to get to know one; maybe you talked to one and extrapolated from there, or (seems more likely) you got the information from a bunch of people who just made shit up. But gay people, just like straight people, fall on a wide spectrum of preferred sexual habits and desires. Talking/dressing/behaving different is a cultural identity thing, and many demographics have their own identities.

All of the stuff you celebrate about Jesus' teachings can be taught without the supernatural elements, and are probably stronger when taught that way. By making the supernatural and self-contradicting elements part of it, you're building a house of morals on sand...pretty sure Jesus had something to say about that

[Triple_D_Bet]

Twister i know some of you uber religious whack jobs would like to see nothing more than a good old fashioned book burning...

So no the post stays unless taken down by a mod for a valid reason as that picture speaks truth.

If your unable to accept that then thats not my problem...

Not that I think a simple picture like that is particularly offensive or should be taken down, and you seem like a smart guy coochy....but ya did kind of call him a religious whack job here. Maybe you didn't mean to or meant to type something different, but I don't see any context that could be taken to mean anything else

acoochy, please delete that post. extremely inappropriate and disrespectful. show some class, even if that's not your thing.

Particularly in a thread where religion is being debated, I don't see how a picture of a burning book (a bible maybe? can't really tell) is somehow taboo. If that is a bible, would it be different if it was a koran from the "satanic cult of islam"?

[sourtwist]

tripleD, everything is situational. the intent of his post was a deliberate cheap shot based upon the subject at hand. I think that a few of you were able to have good conversation while showing respect toward one another.

as far as the Koran question...I'm not gonna b.s., It depends on the context of the thread and the purpose of it.

You are quite possibly more intelligent than I am, and I would suspect that you know that Islam certainly is a satanic cult whose intent is to kill non-believers.

one could argue that Christianity is also a cult, but it's intentions are not to kill everyone else, so that argument doesn't fly.

[brainfreeze]

I like this post.

Thanks southtwist...

[Triple_D_Bet]

tripleD, everything is situational. the intent of his post was a deliberate cheap shot based upon the subject at hand. I think that a few of you were able to have good conversation while showing respect toward one another.

as far as the Koran question...I'm not gonna b.s., It depends on the context of the thread and the purpose of it.

You are quite possibly more intelligent than I am, and I would suspect that you know that Islam certainly is a satanic cult whose intent is to kill non-believers.

one could argue that Christianity is also a cult, but it's intentions are not to kill everyone else, so that argument doesn't fly.

Cheap shot? Maybe...not sure it was much of a "shot" at all. At first glance I actually thought he was referring to how societies have burned books and destroyed knowledge for such ill-founded reasons as thinking it's blasphemy.

I think that like many religions, hateful people who want to interpret Islam to enable their actions will be able to do so. Same goes for Christianity, Hinduism...Buddhism might be a little tough Point being that when you selectively follow certain passages (as is required to make millenia-old religions compatible with our modern knowledge and awareness), it's as easy to base "wicked" actions around an interpretation of these texts as it is "righteous" ones. To me, the root cause is failure to value reason and rational thinking, and this failure leads to bad decisions by even the "righteous".

You could make the argument that there are more violence-seeking people who claim to be Muslim than those who claim to be Christian, but it might be hard to prove definitively, considering the largest source of the "bad muslims" in the Middle East are arguably as violent as they are because of the meddling done by the "bad christians" in the US.

[brainfreeze]

Again, SOME of YOU

Where did I directly say you and you only??

Arguing semantics is a waste of time and detracts from the topic at hand.

How about the newborn infant that contracts inoperable eye cancer?

It was gods will right?

Haha you delusional mentally ill types need to seek professional help...

We bring diseases and these things on ourself... It's not Gods will that these things happen, we bring this stuff in, through sin. Bad things will happen to our children and our children's children, it's sin and the father of lies that brought this to us, lucifer... Place blame correctly. If you have sex with loose women and get aids, blame yourself and sin, if one smokes crack and has a child that has disabilities, place blame correctly.. We don't know what has happened in any one situation, trust God and reject sin...simple

[brainfreeze]

Cheap shot? Maybe...not sure it was much of a "shot" at all. At first glance I actually thought he was referring to how societies have burned books and destroyed knowledge for such ill-founded reasons as thinking it's blasphemy.

I think that like many religions, hateful people who want to interpret Islam to enable their actions will be able to do so. Same goes for Christianity, Hinduism...Buddhism might be a little tough Point being that when you selectively follow certain passages (as is required to make millenia-old religions compatible with our modern knowledge and awareness), it's as easy to base "wicked" actions around an interpretation of these texts as it is "righteous" ones. To me, the root cause is failure to value reason and rational thinking, and this failure leads to bad decisions by even the "righteous".

You could make the argument that there are more violence-seeking people who claim to be Muslim than those who claim to be Christian, but it might be hard to prove definitively, considering the largest source of the "bad muslims" in the Middle East are arguably as violent as they are because of the meddling done by the "bad christians" in the US.

I think he posted the book burning because of this....

http://jonathanturley.org/2015/02/26/islamic-state-burns-over-8000-rare-books-as-demonstration-of-faith/

and I would say the same thing southtwist said, find some class... and God loves you.

[ACoochy]

We bring diseases and these things on ourself... It's not Gods will that these things happen, we bring this stuff in, through sin. Bad things will happen to our children and our children's children, it's sin and the father of lies that brought this to us, lucifer... Place blame correctly. If you have sex with loose women and get aids, blame yourself and sin, if one smokes crack and has a child that has disabilities, place blame correctly.. We don't know what has happened in any one situation, trust God and reject sin...simple

If you truly believe that then please seek professional psychological assistance immediately...

[brainfreeze]

If you truly believe that then please seek professional psychological assistance immediately...

God loves you, you seem to hold a lot of hate in your heart. Did you ever believe in Jesus Acoochy ?

[ByeShea]

To be honest the only religion I have any kind of time/respect towards is dauism...

You deluded moron. You have no idea what you're talking about.