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Hey Freeze, the first sentence about you being a solid poster was my original post. Once I posted, I then saw the post with the link.
That's why I made the edit.
Clearly I have no problem with the info as it stands, but it's ok to say you saw something posted elsewhere and this it what it said. It really doesn't alter my feeling that you are a solid poster, but it is what it is.
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I copy and paste all the time, rather it be Gods word, a video, article or something pertaining to a subject. I never state the authors. This author happened to be on a forum and doesn't have an official name to take " credit ". Your still not answering any question on the " philosophy of mathematics ". I give God the credit for even knowing about it and leading me to said body of work. Seems y'all are a little sensitive on the matter so I'll ask again and leave it alone...Hey Freeze, the first sentence about you being a solid poster was my original post. Once I posted, I then saw the post with the link.
That's why I made the edit.
Clearly I have no problem with the info as it stands, but it's ok to say you saw something posted elsewhere and this it what it said. It really doesn't alter my feeling that you are a solid poster, but it is what it is.
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Just to clear it up for you guys since this is more important then what was said... Smh
Here's said author of this paragraph and if anyone can get a letter out to the moon, give this guy a pat on the back for me. Please do post on this numbers philosophy when the cat let's go of the tongue. God is not related to numbers or " quantum " anything. His Word is more then enough for all generations.
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Freeze, you sound defensive. Truthfully what you copied and pasted is out context and only makes so much sense...that's a problem when you copy and paste haphazardly. If you had taken care, or understood what you were posting, this would not be problem.
Fortunately, I happen to understand where it was going. I have no problem with "what was said." Discussing the philosphy of mathematics here is beyond the scope of this thread. It's not neessary to delve that deep.
I have no problem with God leading you to "said body of work" either. And no, some unkown poster in some random forum Muldoon hangs out in doesn't need the credit. This is not about someone being a little sensitive.
Your defensive posture has led me to believe that you may not even fully understand what you copied and pasted or the context from which it came; especially considering the haphazard way it was done.
You did not alter the font, you did not say you read it somewhere, by doing so you actually appear to go out of your way to make it look like you typed it.
Your further emphasis on giving a the author credit shows you do not understand. It's not about that author, it's about you simply revealing that those words were not yours.
And you don't understand that.
This thread has very likely seen my last post.
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Actually muldoon does the same exact thing, every time some bogus clip art is posted. I don't see the maker of said clip art but whatever.. Believe what you want, And don't say " I went out of my way " to make it look like I typed it, that's a lie. I'm not defensive, and if I didn't understand it, why would I post it ? I see you like to belittle people, and I can assure you that's no product of God. Your full of pride " on what YOU understand ". I pulled the paragraph up for a reason, because it sums up that numbers are a " construct " of man. You say you have no problem with what was said, but you follow the math. If some want to relate numbers to the world, they do it to their own destruction ... PeriodFreeze, you sound defensive. Truthfully what you copied and pasted is out context and only makes so much sense...that's a problem when you copy and paste haphazardly. If you had taken care, or understood what you were posting, this would not be problem.
Fortunately, I happen to understand where it was going. I have no problem with "what was said." Discussing the philosphy of mathematics here is beyond the scope of this thread. It's not neessary to delve that deep.
I have no problem with God leading you to "said body of work" either. And no, some unkown poster in some random forum Muldoon hangs out in doesn't need the credit. This is not about someone being a little sensitive.
Your defensive posture has led me to believe that you may not even fully understand what you copied and pasted or the context from which it came; especially considering the haphazard way it was done.
You did not alter the font, you did not say you read it somewhere, by doing so you actually appear to go out of your way to make it look like you typed it.
Your further emphasis on giving a the author credit shows you do not understand. It's not about that author, it's about you simply revealing that those words were not yours.
And you don't understand that.
This thread has very likely seen my last post.
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im more likely to read an unreferrenced quote than an obscure link... its no biggie to me...
that being said, bf, can you look over some of these bible discrepancies and pick out a few to discuss... they seem to pretty straight forward contradictions found in scriptures... im sure some are talking about completely different issues and are taken out of context, but it makes for some conversation
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Ray, the bible was written 600 years after Christ. To find contradictions will be inevitable. That would be like finding
contradictions in a best selling fictitious novel.
The bible, along with people you admire, has great insight to your everyday problems and life experiences. Yes,
some of the stories in the bible are just that, stories passed on by generations that someone wrote down.
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Should we kill ?
If it's done righteously, by what the law commands, yes. David killed Goliath ... There's plenty stories of righteous killing and unrighteous murder, like when David killed Batheshebas husband out of lust for a married women. Notice these are all verses from the Old Testament as well. This is why we have murder of the first, second, third degrees, it's the level of intent and premeditation.
Should we tell lies ?
God does what He wants to benefit Him. If that means sending a lying Spirit through a person that is already evil, He will do so. He also hardened pharaohs heart as well, remember that story ? He can make some go back to sleep to the world, and wake some up out of the world. He does what is necessary pertaining to a given situation. God though, has never lied, you won't find a verse that says so.
Should we steal ?
Jesus never stole the colt, com'on now. The owner was obviously a YAHWEH fearing man, and gave the colt after being confronted with the situation.
The Feeding of the Five Thousand
…14Therefore when the people saw the sign which He had performed, they said, "This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world." 15So Jesus, perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone.
shall we keep the sabbath ?
This is where Jesus got in heated arguments with the Pharisees, because He went out healing people on The Sabbath. The only time you see The Messiah get angry is with the Pharisees. Rather it be money changing in the temple or about the law. The law is good, but what happened after the death and resurrection of the Messiah ? He sent the Holy Ghost, something that man never had to help them through their journey of life. Now gifted with the Holy Spirit, we walk after the Spirit, not after the flesh. The law is a school master, the Spirit is graduation ...
Shall we make stone graven images ?
only verse that says otherwise then what's commanded, is solomon. As we know solomon was corrupted by pride, power, and women. These women turned his heart to worship false gods just a YAHWEH said they would. This is why the 12 tribes were split, because of this.
Are we saved through works ?
Faith in Christ is key, but upon confessing " the Messiah is God and saying sorry for sins " repenting (turning away) from sin, one receives the Holy Spirit, now the gifts of the Holy Spirit will bear fruit, so it is no longer you but the Holy Ghost helping you... We do works in abundance of love, peace, long suffering, temperance, self-control, joy and so fourth.... but it's by default because of Holy Spirit. Paul talks about this transition of flesh to Spirit in Romans 6,7, and 8.
Slaves ?
Israelites were slaves in Egypt as Moses screamed " let my people go " but the fact is we are all slaves... Who are we serving is the question God or lucifer. Helping others or helping self.
Does God change His mind ?
No, man has free will God understands this and in the days of Noah He was displeased at how that went. That's all...
Are we punished for are fathers sin ?
Yes and no.... Adam and Eve are off the tree of good and EVIL, it leads to death.... Now this goes for all man because of it, so yes we are punished for this ultimate mistake that has brought us in to a fallen state, and no, God gives us the option to stay in the flesh/of the world or live in Spirit crucifying the flesh. We have to show are intent with this knowledge now here on earth, so this is like a trial ground. Only way to beat death and the accuser of flesh " lucifer ", is to be born again in Spirit.
Is God good ?
Yes, very much so... His love outmatches anything known to man.
Can God tempt ?
These are different uses of the word for that verse. God does not tempt with evil, but He will put you through test to know where your heart is, like putting bronze in fire, you try it that it won't snap. There's a difference.
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Not true,
quote from this site :http://www.israeljerusalem.com/when-...ls-written.htm
When were the Gospels written? Over the centuries, there's been much debate on this topic. Even today, many claim to know when the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written but few offer evidences beyond invitations to trust their 'expert' opinions for their claims, which range from a few decades to over a century after the events written about in the Gospels. The discussion below presents evidences which indicate that the Gospels indeed were written just a few decades after Jesus walked on earth.Comment -
I know I said “very likely” last post but Freeze, I’ve always liked you and you deserve a response.
Freeze, I hope you see that my posts have largely been in support of you. In that effort, I have made no effort to belittle anyone. I’ve really tried to be thought provoking and hopefully a little educational. I like, some posters, understand the limits of this thread. To suggest science and math and the existence of God of can live in harmony belittles no one. If you feel it does so, then obviously my writings aren’t for you.
It is likely true that few in this thread understand both concepts well enough to get this. Is it prideful to say that? It’s not meant to be prideful, it’s meant to be realistic and is evident in some posts.
I do not know it all and believe I understand the folly of leaning on our own understanding, I have certainly heard the warnings. Further, I too have a lot to learn.
If you anyone feels belittled by what I wrote please don’t take it that way and please try to see why it was written.
But for you Mr. Freeze, we are all human and make mistakes, and are subject to human behavior and reactions. You are defensive and it implies guilt. It is your reaction to Muldoon’s post and your lack of proper context that shows me you have feelings of guilt.
You’ve even gone to the level of accuser, even so far as to judge, and not based on your own righteousness:
I would have let it go after my first post, still maintaining you as one of SBR’s more solid posters. But you got obviously defensive, even angry. I saw no reason for that behavior.
As far as posting a picture and the credits…Freeze you still don’t get it…and this will cause me to pray for you. You still don’t understand. A picture, different text, quotes, a simple “I read this somewhere once” is all that is needed. I did already post…“It's not about that author, it's about you simply revealing that those words were not yours.” It appears you still don’t understand. Or choose not to.
But let’s not drag this on, Freeze I forgive you, and I may have reacted a little harsh with my implications, there are more important things in this thread. I apologize. No reason to go back and forth with this.
I have noted Freeze your commendable expertise in the bible and you’ve noted a weakness in math and science. Freeze, stick to the Bible…that is how you should behave in this thread.
Freeze, don’t try to use man’s philosophy to beat down man’s philosophy all the while condemning man’s philosophy when men in this thread pose one of man’s philosophies against God. Belittling or not, you are out of your element here.
Attacking math will not help you in any argument here and most certainly will not help in the Great Commission. But I think you know that.
Continue with the scripture. That is your element here. You are teaching many readers and even helping some to reconcile differences or misconceptions they may have with scripture.
That is good work.
With Love,
KVB
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I see your good at insinuating as well kvb, I call it as I see it. I still say you need to turn the pride down. I think you added some good to the thread, but to add your better then me at math is childish, it's like me saying I will break your ankles in basketball. This helps nothing... Math has nothing to do with God, it won't prove or disprove. Belittling or not, I'm out of my element ? There you go again. I never used mans philosophy, at all, I've shown the discrepancies in it. One day they believe in and spread lies of a Big Bang, the next day it's no bang. Now where did I use mans philosophy, they make themselves look unsure of what they believe, got nothing to do with me. I do stick to the Word of God more treasured then precious gold. If I see something that relates to a point I'm making, I use it, I'll stick to that...
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rkelly, i think you know less about the bible than me... all you did was produce a silly excuse... not uncommon, but if there are actual discrepancies , how do we know which to trust? and how do we trust a book with so many?
thanks for going over some, bf.. im on the run all day too, but ill be in after a while to ask some questions...obviously, i know all these will be involve redirection...ive read thats how the harder, less understood issues are handled, but thanks for taking the time and tackling some of these...again, its just for conversation and perhaps i/some others can get an idea of whats going on in the minds of believers ...
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Freeze this has never been about someone’s ability over another’s ability. This isn’t about me; this isn’t about any other poster. There are no insinuations here. My post is about you.
If someone came to you with a few widespread public myths about the bible and no other knowledge and started attacking major premises in the bible, you might recognize that individual as being out of their element.
I’m not here to condescend. Freeze, it is evidenced in your posts and by your own admission that you know little of science, or at least it’s not your area of expertise. As such, you should stop attacking major premises of science, especially with widespread notions that are mostly myth.
It is not what Christians do and hopefully others will see that.
Science is always changing, God’s word never does. Accept those two Freeze. When you do, you’ll stop “accusing” Science of changing. Now your point of media twisting and attacking, often producing lies, does not go unnoticed. There are flaws in the system, even with how some science is reported in its own circles…big time.
Sometimes, to understand certain principles in the bible one must dig further into the bible to understand the roots of those principals. Not just what was said, but why it was said.
Understanding a great deal of science too requires an understanding of the Scientific Method and specific methodology used to reach conclusions. Not just the ability to read a sensationalized headline which often skews the science drastically.
It is my feel that you are discounting one of God’s greatest gifts, and not even using the bible to do so.
Please understand everyone; it’s not a bad thing or an insult when I say uneducated. I cannot repair any part of an airplane; in that field I am both unskilled and uneducated.
There are things of which all of us are ignorant. And some of those things are the same among us.
Let’s not be drivers Freeze, let’s be driven. I think you know what I mean.
Again to my kids,
The Christian who doesn’t believe in science is uneducated.
The scientist who doesn’t believe in God simply hasn’t found the Lord.
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Love the use of "they" as though there is a hive mind that exists between all scientists.
Different theories and hypothesis is what allows science to discover and continue to grow.
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Thank you for being some what understanding, and coming to some middle ground. Answers in boldFreeze this has never been about someone’s ability over another’s ability. This isn’t about me; this isn’t about any other poster. There are no insinuations here. My post is about you.
Direction / redirection - driving.... You know what I mean
If someone came to you with a few widespread public myths about the bible and no other knowledge and started attacking major premises in the bible, you might recognize that individual as being out of their element.
I’m not here to condescend. Freeze, it is evidenced in your posts and by your own admission that you know little of science, or at least it’s not your area of expertise. As such, you should stop attacking major premises of science, especially with widespread notions that are mostly myth.
See ken ham debating bill Nye ... or watch some kent hovind videos ... Just not that interested myself. None of it will change what I know to be truth... I point out truth...
It is not what Christians do and hopefully others will see that.
Science is always changing, God’s word never does. Accept those two Freeze. When you do, you’ll stop “accusing” Science of changing. Now your point of media twisting and attacking, often producing lies, does not go unnoticed. There are flaws in the system, even with how some science is reported in its own circles…big time.
As long as some realize they believe in something that is always changing, so be it. Yes, I know the system is flawed, we live in a age of twist and turns don't we ?
Sometimes, to understand certain principles in the bible one must dig further into the bible to understand the roots of those principals. Not just what was said, but why it was said.
Understanding a great deal of science too requires an understanding of the Scientific Method and specific methodology used to reach conclusions. Not just the ability to read a sensationalized headline which often skews the science drastically.
These are scientist who say their theory proves the universe has no beginning and no end. Not just a sensational head line ... Though it was
It is my feel that you are discounting one of God’s greatest gifts, and not even using the bible to do so.
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Please understand everyone; it’s not a bad thing or an insult when I say uneducated. I cannot repair any part of an airplane; in that field I am both unskilled and uneducated.
Good for you, you understand science or math.... I still don't believe a Big Bang, evolution from ape to man, adding up God, and a few others, nothing you say will change that.
There are things of which all of us are ignorant. And some of those things are the same among us.
Agreed..
Let’s not be drivers Freeze, let’s be driven. I think you know what I mean.
Let's...
Again to my kids,
The Christian who doesn’t believe in science is uneducated.
The scientist who doesn’t believe in God simply hasn’t found the Lord.
As Ive said previously I don't have a problem with legitimate scientist like kent hovind and so fourth. It's the ones that twist science I have a problem with.
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You are correct, haven't read the Bible and can barely quote the 3rd psalm. Haven't gone to church for 30 years except for weddings and funerals.rkelly, i think you know less about the bible than me... all you did was produce a silly excuse... not uncommon, but if there are actual discrepancies , how do we know which to trust? and how do we trust a book with so many?
thanks for going over some, bf.. im on the run all day too, but ill be in after a while to ask some questions...obviously, i know all these will be involve redirection...ive read thats how the harder, less understood issues are handled, but thanks for taking the time and tackling some of these...again, its just for conversation and perhaps i/some others can get an idea of whats going on in the minds of believers ...
Some people use the bible as gospel, while others use it as a fiction novel, but you can use it as both if you need guidance.
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i like the answer too, rkelly... i never really understood why people felt they needed church in order to worship their god... i guess some like the idea of learning new scripture and all that goes along with sunday services...
would be much easier if every 25yrs or so, god would rise above some place special and let us know he is watching and we need to cut the shit and act right... strike a few assholes dead on the spot somehow, to remind us who is boss and float into the sky... instead, the god fearing have to trust a dirt old book that reads more like a movie from the sci-fi channel ... how do you trust a 3500yr old book that was written with info from within a 1500 yr span.. ... nevermind, because people told you to ... at least science is constantly working on theories for the how and why ... unlike the old book, science constantly updates us on findings ... the god theory will continue to lose ground without some sort of sign for the whole world to see... cant depend on the old book forever ... bf, pull some strings with your boy and get us some proof down here.. thanks
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Oh there are plenty of signs. Plenty of signs for the whole world to see. Maybe that's what some people are missing. I'd like to tell people to just open their eyes, but I'm not sure it's that simple. Whether or not someone is receptive is up to God. If you ask, you just might receive.i like the answer too, rkelly... i never really understood why people felt they needed church in order to worship their god... i guess some like the idea of learning new scripture and all that goes along with sunday services...
would be much easier if every 25yrs or so, god would rise above some place special and let us know he is watching and we need to cut the shit and act right... strike a few assholes dead on the spot somehow, to remind us who is boss and float into the sky... instead, the god fearing have to trust a dirt old book that reads more like a movie from the sci-fi channel ... how do you trust a 3500yr old book that was written with info from within a 1500 yr span.. ... nevermind, because people told you to ... at least science is constantly working on theories for the how and why ... unlike a dirt old book, science constantly updates us on findings ... the god theory will continue to lose ground without some sort of sign for the whole world to see... cant depend on the old book forever ... bf, pull some strings with your boy and get us some proof down here.. thanks
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You guys go first.
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Only strength I have in this is prayer, I can pray He reveals Himself to you through any given situation in your life, of His liking. ... and I will pray for you raydogi like the answer too, rkelly... i never really understood why people felt they needed church in order to worship their god... i guess some like the idea of learning new scripture and all that goes along with sunday services...
would be much easier if every 25yrs or so, god would rise above some place special and let us know he is watching and we need to cut the shit and act right... strike a few assholes dead on the spot somehow, to remind us who is boss and float into the sky... instead, the god fearing have to trust a dirt old book that reads more like a movie from the sci-fi channel ... how do you trust a 3500yr old book that was written with info from within a 1500 yr span.. ... nevermind, because people told you to ... at least science is constantly working on theories for the how and why ... unlike the old book, science constantly updates us on findings ... the god theory will continue to lose ground without some sort of sign for the whole world to see... cant depend on the old book forever ... bf, pull some strings with your boy and get us some proof down here.. thanksComment -
◄ Revelation 3:20 ►
…19'Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. 20'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.Comment -
Always wondered why people get so angry who are Anti-Christ? What are you mad for? Is it your indecisiveness? Judgmental?
It's like someone who enjoys a glass of milk. The one who doesn't.... "You drink milk everyday??? What's wrong with you?" You never see someone scold someone for that... but you always see someone scolding another who believes in Christ. Interesting.Comment -
I got this Freeze...lol:
A little bit from Matthew 5:
…9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 10"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.…"
May you follow the links and find peace with Him.
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Exactly, it's not about me at all, some will hate Christ ... Just the way it is Money,I got this Freeze...lol:
A little bit from Matthew 5:
…9"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. 10"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.…"
May you follow the links and find peace with Him.
Luke
22"Blessed are you when men hate you, and ostracize you, and insult you, and scorn your name as evil, for the sake of the Son of Man. 23"Be glad in that day and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven. For in the same way their fathers used to treat the prophets.Comment -
Mom prays, dead son comes back to life
Dr. Garrett said, "It's a bonafide miracle."
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Must have been more than just 1 person praying for this poor person...
Sorry - fresh out of miracles on this day. Or maybe they prayed to the wrong god?
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people who have never seen anything like it, always call things a miracle...although miraculous, to an extent, there are reasons why he is alive... if he wasnt in ice, he is long dead... funny how this happens quite frequently in cold regions and in many areas where they dont believe in god ... wonder how that gets explained
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There's joy and there's pain, life and death, suffering and happiness... A human isn't going to be able to give you the answer of a individual's circumstances. Some need joy with reason at that time and season of their life, as some need pain with reason. Everything happens with purpose that goes beyond our thought.people who have never seen anything like it, always call things a miracle...although miraculous, to an extent, there are reasons why he is alive... if he wasnt in ice, he is long dead... funny how this happens quite frequently in cold regions and in many areas where they dont believe in god ... wonder how that gets explained
good story though... i just hate his family is dumb enough to think their begging had anything to do with anything
Example : Joseph the Dreamer was hated by his brothers, looked to kill him instead sold him as a slave and told his father he was dead, Joseph became commander under pharaoh because he could interpret dreams and told pharaoh to store food because a drought would come after 4 years of good harvest. Then the drought came to the land, the same brothers that sold him as a slave were now going to starve to death, they had to go to the city to get food, guess who was in control of said food... Joseph, He already forgave them in his heart, he held no grudges and gave his brothers plenty of food to go home with, Joseph saved thousands of people all because something bad happened....Comment -
i know, i know...
the emotional roller coaster ride for the guys family had to be insane... good stuff... now i feel bad for the poor sap at the church picnicComment
