GOD

[raydog]

how does this happen, rk? give me a heart attack, only to have science and medicine keep me alive? i honestly will never understand how the god fearing mind works.. its okay for god to cause havoc on his world and people, since god controls all, but when the unwanted outcome arises and even the most innocent are abused, god is forgiven or has a plan or cant control the people overtaken by the devil or some other ignorant excuse? thats retarded simpleton whoreshit, buddy.

[Swaggy P]

Current discussion going on right now about the Christian god on a Buddhist discussion forum. Good thing gods aren't seen as all powerful omnipotent beings. That would explain why a lot of senseless shit goes on in the world.

http://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=18734

[Swaggy P]

*that is if they do actually exist*

[jtoler]

for me, i have actually done some reading over the last month or so... and ill never change my mind as the bible seems further and further from the realm of reality than ever... i cant believe much from the bible...its irrational and there is too much that is obviously made up, imo ... because of that, since i cant believe it all, i cant believe ... i live in the real world , where real games of chance occur and where prayers are merely another way of saying im thinking about you... only a complete fool expects prayers of importance to be answered and the idea of living for such an unproven and inhumane god is out of the question for me...

but ill still have questions, bf... stick around...i do enjoy the thread and no matter how i feel about the idea of a god, i do appreciate your love for him/it and no matter if they are rational or irrational, i appreciate your efforts to give answers...

What does man consist of? Would you say you have a spirit?

[rkelly110]

how does this happen, rk? give me a heart attack, only to have science and medicine keep me alive? i honestly will never understand how the god fearing mind works.. its okay for god to cause havoc on his world and people, since god controls all, but when the unwanted outcome arises and even the most innocent are abused, god is forgiven or has a plan or cant control the people overtaken by the devil or some other ignorant excuse? thats retarded simpleton whoreshit, buddy.

God doesn't control all. God, shall I say, is a fabric of life. We are all connected from the animals to you and me.
We are here and live at our own free will. How we decide to live is up to each and everyone of us.

You can't tell me you don't have a story to tell of a time something happened to you, you can't explain?
How about the worst time in your life, someone or something didn't help you?

All these naysayers in here, I guarantee during a time of crisis, prayed to someone or something
for help and later just brushed it off as coincidence. It wasn't. I'll leave you to ponder that for a while.

[brainfreeze]

lolz... you need to find some sources that are up to date with the scientific times... authors, actors, philosophers who are long dead or have done nothing of real credit in the field, have no reason to even be mentioned and again, just have a novice opinion... there are few who are even qualified to voice an opinion.. but thats okay, there will always be those who change their minds.. both ways

for me, i have actually done some reading over the last month or so... and ill never change my mind as the bible seems further and further from the realm of reality than ever... i cant believe much from the bible...its irrational and there is too much that is obviously made up, imo ... because of that, since i cant believe it all, i cant believe ... i live in the real world , where real games of chance occur and where prayers are merely another way of saying im thinking about you... only a complete fool expects prayers of importance to be answered and the idea of living for such an unproven and inhumane god is out of the question for me...

but ill still have questions, bf... stick around...i do enjoy the thread and no matter how i feel about the idea of a god, i do appreciate your love for him/it and no matter if they are rational or irrational, i appreciate your efforts to give answers...

The guy who made the machine that we can detect cancer... is christian. There's plenty of christians that left a lot of impact on the world that your not realizing and all those people who are now christian, I assure you they were not dummies. I live in that same world raydog, difference is I see past the world, what goes beyond the eye. Thank you for the kind words raydog, even though we might not agree about this, along with others, I still have love for you guys.

[recon1]

Why bother recon, it's ridiculous to think he knows what's going on in the hearts and minds of many.

Oh yea swaggy, I'm not here to convince you or anyone... That's Gods work, I just speak the truth like a doorman or a servant... God will feed

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Yep, you are correct.

[recon1]

Brain freeze, these deniers won't believe a word you say until the Lord himself grabs them by the throat and
bitch slaps them silly.

I've said it before, even if something like that went down, most would still not believe. Although i do like the thought about bitch slapping some of them…i know brain i shouldn't inject violence in the matter, but it's who i'am a fighter.

[recon1]

God doesn't control all. God, shall I say, is a fabric of life. We are all connected from the animals to you and me.
We are here and live at our own free will. How we decide to live is up to each and everyone of us.

You can't tell me you don't have a story to tell of a time something happened to you, you can't explain?
How about the worst time in your life, someone or something didn't help you?

All these naysayers in here, I guarantee during a time of crisis, prayed to someone or something
for help and later just brushed it off as coincidence. It wasn't. I'll leave you to ponder that for a while.

No atheist in fox-holes

[recon1]

Imagine all the alleged Christians who stopped in here, but decieded not to stand up for God. Those are some pathetic individuals

[brainfreeze]

I've said it before, even if something like that went down, most would still not believe. Although i do like the thought about bitch slapping some of them…i know brain i shouldn't inject violence in the matter, but it's who i'am a fighter.

Tell you what, I had a rude awakening no doubt, but I'd rather folks to go through something like it, rather then live blind thinking it's all nonsense.

[brainfreeze]

Imagine all the alleged Christians who stopped in here, but decieded not to stand up for God. Those are some pathetic individuals

There are a few who did, and I'm sure God is pleased ..

[recon1]

There are a few who did, and I'm sure God is pleased ..

Standing up for God here would ruin thier SBR street creed

[muldoon]

Imagine all the alleged Christians who stopped in here, but decieded not to stand up for God. Those are some pathetic individuals

Matthew 7:1-3

[recon1]

Matthew 7:1-3

Who's Judging? Only a Judge can levy a sentence, punishment etc. It's my opinion and fair one at that.

Again what was the point you were attempting?

[muldoon]

Who's Judging? Only a Judge can levy a sentence, punishment etc. It's my opinion and fair one at that.

Again what was the point you were attempting?

That you're judging others as pathetic because they might be Xians but haven't joined in the pro-jeebuz horrible spelling parade. Opposite of a gospel no less.

[raydog]

God doesn't control all. God, shall I say, is a fabric of life. We are all connected from the animals to you and me.
We are here and live at our own free will. How we decide to live is up to each and everyone of us.

You can't tell me you don't have a story to tell of a time something happened to you, you can't explain?
How about the worst time in your life, someone or something didn't help you?

All these naysayers in here, I guarantee during a time of crisis, prayed to someone or something
for help and later just brushed it off as coincidence. It wasn't. I'll leave you to ponder that for a while.

unfortunately, this is why i am so adamant with my beliefs ... ive never seen proof and never will...there is always an explanation for everything...

and no, i dont have a story... and i firmly believe that those who do, have either come to that conclusion out of last resort ignorance, drugs or they are sheep that have been brainwashed since they were old enough to attend church and think that, by some chance, god has spoken to them... an act of kindness or unexpected help is just that... why you think this is the work of a god, is beyond me... people dont need god or faith in order to be good... but again, i have never had an instance where i was fortunate enough to think that God gave me this help or blessing... i make my own bed and i accept the fact that i can be run over by a car tomorrow...

its been over 25yrs since i said a prayer to god... i have "prayed" /talked to myself, "i hope for so and so"...knowing i was only hoping for good luck to come about... but ive never been in a situation where i all of a sudden started praying for Gods help... I never will

i dont believe in spirits/ghosts/heaven/hell either .. i believe those things rest solely in the minds of the God fearing and are as unproven as god itself.

[muldoon]

No atheist in fox-holes

Says....you? Did Pat Tillman convert at the last moment?

[brainfreeze]

unfortunately, this is why i am so adamant with my beliefs ... ive never seen proof and never will...there is always an explanation for everything...

and no, i dont have a story... and i firmly believe that those who do, have either come to that conclusion out of last resort ignorance, drugs or they are sheep that have been brainwashed since they were old enough to attend church and think that, by some chance, god has spoken to them... an act of kindness or unexpected help is just that... why you think this is the work of a god, is beyond me... people dont need god or faith in order to be good... but again, i have never had an instance where i was fortunate enough to think that God gave me this help or blessing... i make my own bed and i accept the fact that i can be run over by a car tomorrow...

its been over 25yrs since i said a prayer to god... i have "prayed" /talked to myself, "i hope for so and so"...knowing i was only hoping for good luck to come about... but ive never been in a situation where i all of a sudden started praying for Gods help... I never will

i dont believe in spirits/ghosts/heaven/hell either .. i believe those things rest solely in the minds of the God fearing and are as unproven as god itself.

Hypothetical ... What if someone gave you a billion dollars, or fame and power, and showed you God and lucifer exists ... but upon acknowledgment that He does exist.. You have to renounce God and follow lucifer to keep this money, fame or power, what would you do ?

A. Keep the billion and do evil you never thought was possible.

B. Tell them to shove the proposition, and let God reign in your life.

[raydog]

since its clearly hypothetical, if it was somehow proven to me that there was god and lucifer, then i would kindly deny any money and commit myself to god and all that is promised after i die... but since what you are proposing is as silly as god summoning animals to live on a boat during the very questionable time of a worldwide flood, i like my stance on living life without fearing an unseen and unproven higher power.

[brainfreeze]

since its clearly hypothetical, if it was somehow proven to me that there was god and lucifer, then i would kindly deny any money and commit myself to god and all that is promised after i die... but since what you are proposing is as silly as god summoning animals to live on a boat during the very questionable time of a worldwide flood, i like my stance on living life without fearing an unseen and unproven higher power.

To each his own.... but good answer by the way

[jtoler]

Says....you? Did Pat Tillman convert at the last moment?

Possibly, and possibly even before considering he was possibly about to come forth with opposing views of his fellowmen's occupation in Afghanistan.

[brainfreeze]

Another poem of mine written at the end of last year...

IM GOING HOME


, crosses that bling, Mercedes that swing, whores dancing, souls are dying but not feeling a thing, there's gotta be somethin', there's gotta be somethin', we get tired of runnin, hungry with no where to go, are we headed home or down deaths row, split decisions, a mystery of missions, apply the pressure, see if he'll listen,
listen to his heart, it's always where to start with the first conscience thought, he could never be bought, he's a servant to his Maker, the Creator, who's greater then any face that's on gold or paper,

only when we recognize what's inside our disguise that we hide will we find Him, are you good, are you good, the wicked hide in hoods with paths of confusion, the bonds have been loosened, spirits are moving, pick a side, what side are you choosing ? The pain holds us back, where we fight and scratch, I let go, I let go, I could never go back, I choose Light, The Life, and The Way that is Jesus, who teaches and keeps us until we get home, not alone, He's watching every step, every corner, every breath, every test that we take, His words are like cake, sweet to the core, I want more, I want more, I'm not leaving, I endure until I get to that door, I found peace, I found love, which is much through faith, just a few things I've found on the way to the gates.. Wow there pearly... I made it home

[muldoon]

Possibly, and possibly even before considering he was possibly about to come forth with opposing views of his fellowmen's occupation in Afghanistan.

That's a lot of possibly's (3 in fact)

There is no evidence his atheistic views changed whatsoever.

Old expressions like "there's no atheists in foxholes" are exactly that - just expressions. Religious people rely on the fact that everyone has some fear of the unknown. Most people having been exposed to religious stories at some point during their youth by people in authority, will naturally cling to anything when faced with the possibility of almost certain death.

Doesn't make it right - or real.

[jtoler]

That's a lot of possibly's (3 in fact)

There is no evidence his atheistic views changed whatsoever.

Old expressions like "there's no atheists in foxholes" are exactly that - just expressions. Religious people rely on the fact that everyone has some fear of the unknown. Most people having been exposed to religious stories at some point during their youth by people in authority, will naturally cling to anything when faced with the possibility of almost certain death.

Doesn't make it right - or real.

Recurring citations was to make a point, but what if you were destitute, say of money, was very poor and needed money and was told two miles down the road after you make a right and dig two feet into the ground there is there enough to sustain you. Thinking the story too far fetched to be true never gave it serious hought and kept living in poverty, does it mean no money is in the ground simply because you dont believe there isnt any in the ground. Anyway Im still wanting raydog to answer my question of, What does man consist of, does man have a spirit?

[muldoon]

but what if you were destitute, say of money, was very poor and needed money and was told two miles down the road after you make a right and dig two feet into the ground there is there enough to sustain you. Thinking the story too far fetched to be true never gave it serious hought and kept living in poverty, does it mean no money is in the ground simply because you dont believe there isnt any in the ground. A

Or maybe we shouldn't go around digging up money that isn't ours.

My turn to ask you believers a question.

What sort of proof would it take for you to realize there is no God?

[jtoler]

Or maybe we shouldn't go around digging up money that isn't ours.

My turn to ask you believers a question.

What sort of proof would it take for you to realize there is no God?

The money in the story is meant to be yours if found, anyway...
Once youve been truly enlightened Id suspect it'd be hard to convince someone of such, not altogether impossible, but not easy either. Doesnt mean once enlightened a person is going to live for God, just means that person knows he exists. People still exist in a flesh and fall off, bottom line if you dont pray/meditate on his word, sin is lying at the door, if you dont pray youre going to sin, what isnt of faith(the spirit) is of sin(the flesh). Would you put water in your car and expect it to operate correctly, same goes for man, who is a spirit first and foremost. When he isnt feeding his car(spirit) with the word of God and seeking his will which is what he was created for, then he is living in the flesh and feeding his car with (water) temporal things which lack substance, the flesh is insatiable, cant be satisfied. raydog where are you.

[muldoon]

The money in the story is meant to be yours if found, anyway...

So I'm poor, but there's money for me buried up the road. It belongs to me, but rather than just give it me, I have to hear about it and then go digging for it? If someone else reaches it first, do I kill them because it's mine?

I get that religion serves as some sort of existential eternity insurance policy for people who can't find enough meaning in this life to make it count - but damn, you need better stories.

[raydog]

The money in the story is meant to be yours if found, anyway...
Once youve been truly enlightened Id suspect it'd be hard to convince someone of such, not altogether impossible, but not easy either. Doesnt mean once enlightened a person is going to live for God, just means that person knows he exists. People still exist in a flesh and fall off, bottom line if you dont pray/meditate on his word, sin is lying at the door, if you dont pray youre going to sin, what isnt of faith(the spirit) is of sin(the flesh). Would you put water in your car and expect it to operate correctly, same goes for man, who is a spirit first and foremost. When he isnt feeding his car(spirit) with the word of God and seeking his will which is what he was created for, then he is living in the flesh and feeding his car with (water) temporal things which lack substance, the flesh is insatiable, cant be satisfied. raydog where are you.

im not exactly sure what kind of answer you are looking for.. i just told you i didnt believe in spirit/s and your idea that a man who doesnt pray is going to sin is fukking retarded, to put it nicely... but okay

i wont live my life for the unproven and unknown ... the bible is full of garbage and, as a rational adult, i refuse to believe all that is written... what am i made of if i dont have a spirit or soul? im sure i dont have an answer that will appease you, but i live by morals i set for myself in order to be a good person...am i always good, no.. are you or other god fearing, no... but i wont be hoodwinked into beleiving the most irrational and unproven theory in the history of mankind... my lack of faith in a god is completely beside the point... but your ideas of what man must do or be , in order to be good, are asinine...

[jtoler]

So I'm poor, but there's money for me buried up the road. It belongs to me, but rather than just give it me, I have to hear about it and then go digging for it? If someone else reaches it first, do I kill them because it's mine?

I get that religion serves as some sort of existential eternity insurance policy for people who can't find enough meaning in this life to make it count - but damn, you need better stories.

Looking into it too much, lol, just saying eternal life is meant as a free gift is it not? Its yours for the taking, but there is a requirement.

[brainfreeze]

So I'm poor, but there's money for me buried up the road. It belongs to me, but rather than just give it me, I have to hear about it and then go digging for it? If someone else reaches it first, do I kill them because it's mine?

I get that religion serves as some sort of existential eternity insurance policy for people who can't find enough meaning in this life to make it count - but damn, you need better stories.

What does anything " mean " to you ? It's the opposite, life without God is meaningless, because one would miss the sole purpose on why they are here in the first place and that's to praise Him and give Him glory on what He does and is doing.

You know the scriptures, so go back to Ecclesiastes.

[jtoler]

im not exactly sure what kind of answer you are looking for.. i just told you i didnt believe in spirit/s and your idea that a man who doesnt pray is going to sin is fukking retarded, to put it nicely... but okay

i wont live my life for the unproven and unknown ... the bible is full of garbage and, as a rational adult, i refuse to believe all that is written... what am i made of if i dont have a spirit or soul? im sure i dont have an answer that will appease you, but i live by morals i set for myself in order to be a good person...am i always good, no.. are you or other god fearing, no... but i wont be hoodwinked into beleiving the most irrational and unproven theory in the history of mankind... my lack of faith in a god is completely beside the point... but your ideas of what man must do or be , in order to be good, are asinine...

Which brings me to the question I asked many many pages ago, if someone truly doesnt believe something exists who would debate it daily for months, makes no sense to me. Ive come across this from "nonbelievers" a long time, I simply dont believe that they dont believe there is no God, seems they just want a sign, some proof, but the proof is attached to the requirements in His word which He says He will move on, yet nobody likes that answer so they stick with the peripheral and an endless debate ensues.

[raydog]

What does anything " mean " to you ? It's the opposite, life without God is meaningless, because one would miss the sole purpose on why they are here in the first place and that's to praise Him and give Him glory on what He does and is doing.

You know the scriptures, so go back to Ecclesiastes.

god kills innocent children.. along with the bad, god kills the nicest, most giving people...god ruins lives never presents miracles... when bad happens, you say its not gods control and its the sins of others, but when good happens, its always god god god... how can you sit there and rationally believe in this? how come god never has to take blame for shitty stuff? its always placed on sinners or we get the "god has a plan" excuse... i have no idea what it takes to make people so gullible that they will make up asinine excuses for and unproven fairy tale... honestly, its mind boggling the amount of bullshit, from god, that christians will put up with... astonishing how much pain he brings and you gullible people continue to take it with stride...

[muldoon]

the sole purpose on why they are here in the first place and that's to praise Him and give Him glory on what He does and is doing.

First 4 commandments are all about him. Zero commandments about raping children or dealing drugs to kids. \

How insecure is your God?

[muldoon]

god kills innocent children.. along with the bad, god kills the nicest, most giving people...god ruins lives never presents miracles... when bad happens, you say its not gods control and its the sins of others

It's like a good telemarketer dude.

Good happens = give him praise!
Bad happens = it's his will...too complex to understand.

100 people get cancer with a 5% rate of survival. All of them pray. 95 die.

The other 5 are paraded around as evidence that prayer works.