Good Value on Joel Embiid to win the MVP at +1600

[thomorino]

MVP in the east right now is Giannis.
Look at all the offensive numbers that matter.

Embid is second best in the east.
And maybe fourth best overall if Morant keeps playing the way he is.

Memphis has been almost just as good without Morant, just stop. Embiid is the clear MVP as long he stays healthy.

[thomorino]

And Embid looked like he's totally out of gas.
He was laying bricks last night like a JV player.

It's over, Jokic is the better center.
And it's not even close.

The next time Embid has a game like Jokic had tonight, will be his first time.
And he was playing sick.

And THREE blocks to boot.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Jokic just had the night off, Embiid was playing on the second night of a back to back.

[stevenash]

Jokic soccer 8 points and he needed the night off next game. Just stop.

He was sick.
Not tired or hurt.

Just stop, Embid is runner up.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33443511/denver-nuggets-star-nikola-jokic-scores-30-4th-quarter-ot-logs-historic-triple-double-win

[thomorino]

He was sick.
Not tired or hurt.

Just stop, Embid is runner up.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ple-double-win

No he's not, every single betting market has Embiid as the favorite.

[stevenash]

So?
Bet the chalk, you'll lose.

Embid can't do what Jokic does.
There's a reason why he's reigning MVP.

Embid had a nice little season, Jokic sealed the deal last night.
Just ask Maria Taylor.

It's over.
Done.

Out, good bye.

[thomorino]

So?
Bet the chalk, you'll lose.

Embid can't do what Jokic does.
There's a reason why he's reigning MVP.

Embid had a nice little season, Jokic sealed the deal last night.
Just ask Maria Taylor.

It's over.
Done.

Out, good bye.

One game means nothing. Embiid is the prohibitive favorite.

[stevenash]

Embid is set up tonight to have a big game.
He's got Harden back and it looks like Tristan Thompson is going to be on him.

Even I could rag doll Thompson and I'm 5' 7.5" 172 lbs and over 40 for the love of God.
If Embid sucks like the other night you know there's something wrong with him.

[vitterd]

Embid is set up tonight to have a big game.
He's got Harden back and it looks like Tristan Thompson is going to be on him.

Even I could rag doll Thompson and I'm 5' 7.5" 172 lbs and over 40 for the love of God.
If Embid sucks like the other night you know there's something wrong with him.

The bulls are the worst team in giving up points in the paint. It all depends with the sixers. Embiid doesnt have to have a huge game for them to win anymore. He did for 3/4 of the season but he can go for 20/10/4 and they can still win.

[stevenash]

The bulls are the worst team in giving up points in the paint. It all depends with the sixers. Embiid doesnt have to have a huge game for them to win anymore. He did for 3/4 of the season but he can go for 20/10/4 and they can still win.

Looking at Philly TT over 119.

Thing is if Philly opens it up by 20 in the fourth quarter can you count on the bench to push it to 120 plus?

Game total 232.5 is astronomical, even with the scoring on both teams.

[jjgold]

Another dominating game

[stevenash]

Another dominating game

Not even close to what Jokic did last night.
Jokic's game last night was one of the greatest overall ever played.

Embid's matchup tonight was one of the softess any center will ever see.
21 shots 33 percent of all the shots so far Philly has taken has been Embid.
He wants the MVP so bad.
Funny thing is he ain't winning it.

They're still talking about Jokic.

I'm not hating of Embid, he's having a nice little season, Jokic is having a season for the ages.

[thomorino]

Not even close to what Jokic did last night.
Jokic's game last night was one of the greatest overall ever played.

Embid's matchup tonight was one of the softess any center will ever see.
21 shots 33 percent of all the shots so far Philly has taken has been Embid.
He wants the MVP so bad.
Funny thing is he ain't winning it.

They're still talking about Jokic.

I'm not hating of Embid, he's having a nice little season, Jokic is having a season for the ages.

Embiid just dropped 43 with 13 rebounds and 3 blocks.

Just stop.

Jokic is barely an average defender.

[thomorino]

He's toasted.
He looked like shit last night, he's never gone this deep in a season, and it shows.

Did you see what Jokic did tonight?
Embid can't do that.

He just scored 43 - just stop

[thomorino]

Cousins is giving Denver some solid minutes too, which means Denver will likely use Jokic less and probably rest him on the second night of some back to backs as well

[stevenash]

BOOM
(as somebody likes too say)

Back to back consecutive triple/doubles.
He did it tonight in just 22 minutes.

My only regret is only buying 100 dollars of Jokic at +300 last month.
This conversation is over.
/enddiscussion
#JokicMVP

[vitterd]

BOOM
(as somebody likes too say)

Back to back consecutive triple/doubles.
He did it tonight in just 22 minutes.

My only regret is only buying 100 dollars of Jokic at +300 last month.
This conversation is over.
/enddiscussion
#JokicMVP

Embiid can only lose mvp if he gets hurt. His odds went from -125 yesterday to -140 today. I think your letting your feelings about Morino get in the way here.

[vitterd]

Not even close to what Jokic did last night.
Jokic's game last night was one of the greatest overall ever played.

Embid's matchup tonight was one of the softess any center will ever see.
21 shots 33 percent of all the shots so far Philly has taken has been Embid.
He wants the MVP so bad.
Funny thing is he ain't winning it.

They're still talking about Jokic.

I'm not hating of Embid, he's having a nice little season, Jokic is having a season for the ages.

Embiid should get lots if the action when Tristan Thompson is on him. The offense runs thru him and Harden.

[stevenash]

Embiid can only lose mvp if he gets hurt. His odds went from -125 yesterday to -140 today. I think your letting your feelings about Morino get in the way here.

My feelings towards him doesn't factor into anything.
I was taught to "consider the source"
I have no feelings towards him, except that he's the most annoying person drawing breath.

Jokic is having an historic season, and after tonight the ones who don't realize that, will now,

[stevenash]

Embiid should get lots if the action when Tristan Thompson is on him. The offense runs thru him and Harden.

He did, Embid took 27 out of the teams 84 shots.
Now my stellar math skills tells me if 27x3=81, then Embid took pretty much one out of every three shots.

[thomorino]

Embiid completely dominated this game. Denver was down almost double digits in the second half. Embiid dominates defensively, Jokic again, is barely average defensively.

[vitterd]

My feelings towards him doesn't factor into anything.
I was taught to "consider the source"
I have no feelings towards him, except that he's the most annoying person drawing breath.

Jokic is having an historic season, and after tonight the ones who don't realize that, will now,

I agree with you about Morino. He’s awful. However, I think they are more prone to vote for a guy who hasn’t received the mvp yet and is playing great at both ends. I think that’s why you see Embiid as the steady favorite everywhere.

[thomorino]

I agree with you about Morino. He’s awful. However, I think they are more prone to vote for a guy who hasn’t received the mvp yet and is playing great at both ends. I think that’s why you see Embiid as the steady favorite everywhere.

Post a 1099.

[Wrongside]

Is anybody more valuable to their team than Doncic? At this point, it’s still Embid’s, but man Doncic is playing great - and winning. Embid has so much more talent around him…

[stevenash]

Embiid completely dominated this game. Denver was down almost double digits in the second half. Embiid dominates defensively, Jokic again, is barely average defensively.

Just stop with the elite defender bullshit.

Last year's defensive player of the year award.
That's seven points, not votes by the way.
He got one second, and a couple of booby prize votes.
I am not worthy.

Do some research, top five center of all time my ass, maybe top three center of 2022 would be more accurate.

				Voting					Per Game						Shooting			Advanced
Rank	Player	Age	Tm	First	Pts Won	Pts Max	Share	G	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	FG%	3P%	FT%	WS	WS/48
1	Rudy Gobert	28	UTA	84	464	500	0.928	71	30.8	14.3	13.5	1.3	0.6	2.7	0.675	0	0.623	11.3	0.248
2	Ben Simmons	24	PHI	15	287	500	0.574	58	32.4	14.3	7.2	6.9	1.6	0.6	0.557	0.3	0.613	6	0.153
3	Draymond Green	30	GSW	0	76	500	0.152	63	31.5	7	7.1	8.9	1.7	0.8	0.447	0.27	0.795	4.6	0.112
4	Bam Adebayo	23	MIA	1	31	500	0.062	64	33.5	18.7	9	5.4	1.2	1	0.57	0.25	0.799	8.8	0.197
5	Giannis Antetokounmpo	26	MIL	0	12	500	0.024	61	33	28.1	11	5.9	1.2	1.2	0.569	0.303	0.685	10.2	0.244
6	Clint Capela	26	ATL	0	10	500	0.02	63	30.1	15.2	14.3	0.8	0.7	2	0.594		0.573	8.2	0.207
7	Joel Embiid	26	PHI	0	7	500	0.014	51	31.1	28.5	10.6	2.8	1	1.4	0.513	0.377	0.859	8.8	0.266
8	Jrue Holiday	30	MIL	0	6	500	0.012	59	32.3	17.7	4.5	6.1	1.6	0.6	0.503	0.392	0.787	6.6	0.165
9	Myles Turner	24	IND	0	3	500	0.006	47	31	12.6	6.5	1	0.9	3.4	0.477	0.335	0.782	3.3	0.11
10	Jimmy Butler	31	MIA	0	2	500	0.004	52	33.6	21.5	6.9	7.1	2.1	0.3	0.497	0.245	0.863	9.3	0.255
11T	Kentavious Caldwell-Pope	27	LAL	0	1	500	0.002	67	28.4	9.7	2.7	1.9	0.9	0.4	0.431	0.41	0.866	4.2	0.107
11T	Matisse Thybulle	23	PHI	0	1	500	0.002	65	20	3.9	1.9	1	1.6	1.1	0.42	0.301	0.444	2.8	0.102

[stevenash]

How exactly is Embid one of the top five centers of all time?




Top PER seasons in NBA history

Nikola Jokic	2021-22	DEN	32.3
G. Antetokounmpo	2021-22	MIL	32.0
G. Antetokounmpo	2019-20	MIL	31.9
Michael Jordan	1987-88	CHI	31.7
LeBron James	2008-09	CLE	31.7
Michael Jordan	1990-91	CHI	31.6
LeBron James	2012-13	MIA	31.6
Stephen Curry	2015-16	GSW	31.5
Nikola Jokic	2020-21	DEN	31.3
Joel Embiid	2021-22	PHI	31.0

[thomorino]

Just stop with the elite defender bullshit.

Last year's defensive player of the year award.
That's seven points, not votes by the way.
He got one second, and a couple of booby prize votes.
I am not worthy.

Do some research, top five center of all time my ass, maybe top three center of 2022 would be more accurate.

				Voting					Per Game						Shooting			Advanced
Rank	Player	Age	Tm	First	Pts Won	Pts Max	Share	G	MP	PTS	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	FG%	3P%	FT%	WS	WS/48
1	Rudy Gobert	28	UTA	84	464	500	0.928	71	30.8	14.3	13.5	1.3	0.6	2.7	0.675	0	0.623	11.3	0.248
2	Ben Simmons	24	PHI	15	287	500	0.574	58	32.4	14.3	7.2	6.9	1.6	0.6	0.557	0.3	0.613	6	0.153
3	Draymond Green	30	GSW	0	76	500	0.152	63	31.5	7	7.1	8.9	1.7	0.8	0.447	0.27	0.795	4.6	0.112
4	Bam Adebayo	23	MIA	1	31	500	0.062	64	33.5	18.7	9	5.4	1.2	1	0.57	0.25	0.799	8.8	0.197
5	Giannis Antetokounmpo	26	MIL	0	12	500	0.024	61	33	28.1	11	5.9	1.2	1.2	0.569	0.303	0.685	10.2	0.244
6	Clint Capela	26	ATL	0	10	500	0.02	63	30.1	15.2	14.3	0.8	0.7	2	0.594		0.573	8.2	0.207
7	Joel Embiid	26	PHI	0	7	500	0.014	51	31.1	28.5	10.6	2.8	1	1.4	0.513	0.377	0.859	8.8	0.266
8	Jrue Holiday	30	MIL	0	6	500	0.012	59	32.3	17.7	4.5	6.1	1.6	0.6	0.503	0.392	0.787	6.6	0.165
9	Myles Turner	24	IND	0	3	500	0.006	47	31	12.6	6.5	1	0.9	3.4	0.477	0.335	0.782	3.3	0.11
10	Jimmy Butler	31	MIA	0	2	500	0.004	52	33.6	21.5	6.9	7.1	2.1	0.3	0.497	0.245	0.863	9.3	0.255
11T	Kentavious Caldwell-Pope	27	LAL	0	1	500	0.002	67	28.4	9.7	2.7	1.9	0.9	0.4	0.431	0.41	0.866	4.2	0.107
11T	Matisse Thybulle	23	PHI	0	1	500	0.002	65	20	3.9	1.9	1	1.6	1.1	0.42	0.301	0.444	2.8	0.102

Embiid protects the rim and defends well on the perimeter - Jokic does nothing well defensively. Just stop.

[stevenash]

Embiid protects the rim and defends well on the perimeter - Jokic does nothing well defensively. Just stop.

Jokic is a better shooter (look at the percentages)
Jokic is a better ball handler.
Jokic is a better rebounder (look at the RPG averages)

Jokic is clearly the better all around center and it's not even close.
Please stop talking, the facts are burying you.

MVP Candidates' PER and BPM

Nikola Jokic	Den	32.3	13.9
G. Antetokounmpo	Mil	32.0	11.1
Joel Embiid	Phi	31.3	9.5
		(BIG GAP)	(BIG GAP)
LeBron James	LAL	26.4	7.7
Kevin Durant	Bkn	26.1	7.4
Rudy Gobert	Uta	25.3	5.1
Trae Young	Atl	25.2	4.7
Ja Morant	Mem	25.1	6.6
DeMar DeRozan	Chi	24.2	3.1
Luka Doncic	Dal	24.1	7.4
Steph Curry	GS	21.9	5.9

[chargers4222]

Embiid protects the rim and defends well on the perimeter - Jokic does nothing well defensively. Just stop.

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[stevenash]

I'm bringing a shotgun (data, facts, and figures) to his cap pistol (misguided opinions, fluff, and no data) to a fight.

Who's going to win Chargers4222?

My money is on the dude with the shotgun.

Unless the OP can counter the facts with opinions backed with stone cold proof, my work here is done.

[thomorino]

Jokic is a better shooter (look at the percentages)
Jokic is a better ball handler.
Jokic is a better rebounder (look at the RPG averages)

Jokic is clearly the better all around center and it's not even close.
Please stop talking, the facts are burying you.

MVP Candidates' PER and BPM

Nikola Jokic	Den	32.3	13.9
G. Antetokounmpo	Mil	32.0	11.1
Joel Embiid	Phi	31.3	9.5
		(BIG GAP)	(BIG GAP)
LeBron James	LAL	26.4	7.7
Kevin Durant	Bkn	26.1	7.4
Rudy Gobert	Uta	25.3	5.1
Trae Young	Atl	25.2	4.7
Ja Morant	Mem	25.1	6.6
DeMar DeRozan	Chi	24.2	3.1
Luka Doncic	Dal	24.1	7.4
Steph Curry	GS	21.9	5.9

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I'm bringing a shotgun (data, facts, and figures) to his cap pistol (misguided opinions, fluff, and no data) to a fight.

Who's going to win Chargers4222?

My money is on the dude with the shotgun.

Unless the OP can counter the facts with opinions backed with stone cold proof, my work here is done.

Again, the difference in strength of schedule is huge. The West has no depth.Embiid was also hurt at the beginning of the year.

Embiid physically dominates games, he protects the paint, he's the best player in the NBA right now.

Jokic is a finesse player who isn't even average defensively. Embiid had 3 blocks last night, Jokic will take 3 months to have another 3 block game.

This isn't even close.

[shadymcgrady]

Embiid has got this easily. It'd be more of a shock if jokic got it again than when Nash got b2b over the likes of dirk and Kobe the second yr

[stevenash]

Again, the difference in strength of schedule is huge. The West has no depth.Embiid was also hurt at the beginning of the year.

Embiid physically dominates games, he protects the paint, he's the best player in the NBA right now.

Jokic is a finesse player who isn't even average defensively. Embiid had 3 blocks last night, Jokic will take 3 months to have another 3 block game.

This isn't even close.

Blocked shots is a meaningless stat, keep reaching,
Wrong, again.
Do your homework.


Embid and Jokic are even on defense.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

Your opinions with out facts are meaningless.

Facts are.
Jokic and Embid are pretty much equal on defense.
The NBA facts trump your misguided opinion

Jokic is more efficient.
Jokic is far the superior play maker, Jokic has superior ball skills, the assists say so, not just me.
Jokic is clearly the better shooter, the FG % says so.
And Jokic is the better rebounder, the rebound average per game says so.

How can, as you say, Embid be one of the top five greatest centers of all time, when he barely the second best in 2022.

*mic drop*
OUT

[thomorino]

Blocked shots is a meaningless stat, keep reaching,
Wrong, again.
Do your homework.


Embid and Jokic are even on defense.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense/?sort=DEF_WS&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=C

Your opinions with out facts are meaningless.

Facts are.
Jokic and Embid are pretty much equal on defense.
The NBA facts trump your misguided opinion

Jokic is more efficient.
Jokic is far the superior play maker, Jokic has superior ball skills, the assists say so, not just me.
Jokic is clearly the better shooter, the FG % says so.
And Jokic is the better rebounder, the rebound average per game says so.

How can, as you say, Embid be one of the top five greatest centers of all time, when he barely the second best in 2022.

*mic drop*
OUT

The betting market has Embiid as the prohibitive favorite.

Embiid is better at everything ,everything, than Jokic, except passing.

Embiid takes over games, he dominates physically, he guards every position on the floor and protects the paint.

Jokic is a finesse player who isn't even average defensively.

The markets are right, Embiid is the clear favorite to be MVP.

[shadymcgrady]

Jokic one of the worst defending bigs in the league, everyone knows it. Guards drive the paint when he's standing there bc they know he won't block or foul

[stevenash]

Jokic one of the worst defending bigs in the league, everyone knows it. Guards drive the paint when he's standing there bc they know he won't block or foul

He's much better this year than last, and that didn't hurt his cause last year.
If Embid wins it's poli8tical, not on merit.