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  • grease lightnin
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 10-01-12
    • 16015

    #1506
    Originally posted by grease lightnin
    Right about now I would love to hear some accomodative language from the fed on rates and from Trump on trade.
    Finally. Hello Santa
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    • KVB
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 05-29-14
      • 74817

      #1507
      Here are the Top 20 Decliners with last trade over 5 and avg trade over 250,000...

      Symbol Last Trade Change % Change Description
      AMZN 1,675.78 -96.58 -5.45 AMAZON.COM INC
      BKNG 1,860.29 -59.41 -3.09 BOOKING HOLDINGS INC
      GOOG 1,056.90 -49.53 -4.48 ALPHABET INC
      GOOGL 1,068.95 -47.40 -4.25 ALPHABET INC
      ISRG 519.99 -28.93 -5.27 INTUITIVE SURGICAL INC
      BLK 408.41 -26.46 -6.08 BLACKROCK INC
      TDG 353.94 -18.45 -4.95 TRANSDIGM GROUP INC
      SIVB 239.82 -16.16 -6.31 SVB FINANCIAL GROUP
      SOXL 100.00 -15.53 -13.44 DIREXION DAILY SEMI BULL
      ABMD 328.72 -14.74 -4.29 ABIOMED INC
      ALGN 221.04 -14.66 -6.22 ALIGN TECHNOLOGY INC
      ULTA 292.10 -14.39 -4.70 ULTA BEAUTY INC
      BA 345.59 -14.37 -3.99 BOEING CO
      GWW 302.90 -14.30 -4.51 GRAINGER (W W) INC
      MELI 355.44 -14.07 -3.81 MERCADOLIBRE INC
      FDX 216.35 -13.69 -5.95 FEDEX CORP
      NFLX 277.25 -13.06 -4.50 NETFLIX INC
      ILMN 337.23 -13.02 -3.72 ILLUMINA INC
      URI 106.35 -12.91 -10.83 UNITED RENTALS INC
      ROP 288.17 -12.88 -4.28 ROPER TECHNOLOGIES INC
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      • KVB
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 05-29-14
        • 74817

        #1508
        Originally posted by KRIT
        This market gonna turn around anytime soon? I literally pay zero attention to market and know close to nothing about it. Can someone sum up why it has been so bad the past couple months. Thanks.
        Well, we have been on a record bull run.

        While running hot, Pres Trump confronted trade and that has created some uncertainty and headwind.

        The Fed has made some moves that also had an effect on equities. The broader picture shows still a pretty good economy but stock prices, at least some, were pretty high.

        Any news, like with housing today, will make this market jittery.

        Money is shifting, rates are changing, but many companies are still doing well.

        Stocks pretty much due to pull back, but that doesn't mean the economy is going into a recession.

        Apple scared everyone because the hardware iphone market is getting flooded and they want to focus on services for reporting purposes.

        When betting on continued growth, it's tough to keep growing at crazy rates when you get big. This is an issue for some of the big tech and media guys.

        Elon Musk is an Ambien tweeter.

        Something like that.
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        • Otters27
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 07-14-07
          • 30749

          #1509
          Tooany huge swings in the market. Tomorrow could be a 400 pt rally. Problem is when the real crash comes it will be too late for most to know to pull out and poof. Goes everyone's 401 k
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #1510
            Lol

            That’s why people get crushed trying to predict markets daily, weekly, monthly
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            • KVB
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 05-29-14
              • 74817

              #1511
              Market closed tomorrow.

              No Gold, you can minimize loss and play the swings. I think there is more opportunity in volatile markets.

              Sometimes.

              This market is $2 steak style tough right now though, if you're trying to get a rise.
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              • HockeyRocks
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-10-13
                • 6069

                #1512
                Interest rates, uncertainty in Washington, Americans and Corporations beginning to feel the pinch of tariffs and a dumb fukking president that knows NOTHING on how to run the economy other than to bankrupt it ='s a down market..
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                • grease lightnin
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 10-01-12
                  • 16015

                  #1513
                  Originally posted by grease lightnin
                  Finally. Hello Santa
                  Bad Santa
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                  • homie1975
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 12-24-13
                    • 15452

                    #1514
                    Originally posted by grease lightnin
                    Bad Santa
                    i was gona joke that you mushed us yesterday Greaser but you're my guy and didn't wana bring attention to it LOL
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                    • jimminn
                      SBR MVP
                      • 04-23-11
                      • 1176

                      #1515
                      get out now . I have heard the dollar will no longer be the world currency after december 30 Chaos coming. short everything
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                      • homie1975
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-24-13
                        • 15452

                        #1516
                        Good god
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                        • KVB
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 05-29-14
                          • 74817

                          #1517
                          Originally posted by homie1975
                          Good god
                          Yeah, even the banks getting slammed again. Ran BAC up little, then gave it back...


                          Here are the top 20 decliners with last trade over 5 and avg 5 day vol over 250,000

                          Symbol Last Trade Change % Change Description
                          SIVB 212.33 -28.10 -11.69 SVB FINANCIAL GROUP
                          AZO 854.66 -25.41 -2.89 AUTOZONE INC
                          PLCE 104.05 -19.10 -15.51 CHILDRENS PLACE INC
                          BLK 390.82 -17.93 -4.39 BLACKROCK INC
                          OLLI 73.27 -13.56 -15.62 OLLIE'S BARGAIN OUTLET HL
                          UGAZ 139.52 -12.74 -8.37
                          ISRG 506.43 -12.39 -2.39 INTUITIVE SURGICAL INC
                          HUM 312.31 -12.16 -3.75 HUMANA INC
                          CMG 456.24 -12.11 -2.59 CHIPOTLE MEXICAN GRILL IN
                          ORLY 334.42 -12.01 -3.47 O'REILLY AUTOMOTIVE INC
                          BA 330.73 -11.77 -3.44 BOEING CO
                          ANTM 281.69 -11.23 -3.83 ANTHEM INC
                          MELI 344.29 -10.56 -2.98 MERCADOLIBRE INC
                          CXO 118.32 -10.09 -7.86 CONCHO RESOURCES INC
                          AVGO 222.57 -9.47 -4.08 BROADCOM INC
                          HQY 75.06 -8.54 -10.22 HEALTHEQUITY INC
                          CNC 133.83 -8.35 -5.87 CENTENE CORP
                          SHW 398.29 -8.31 -2.04 SHERWIN-WILLIAMS CO
                          UNH 270.33 -8.22 -2.95 UNITEDHEALTH GROUP INC
                          WCG 244.06 -8.20 -3.25 WELLCARE HEALTH PLANS INC
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                          • RoyBacon
                            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                            • 09-21-05
                            • 37074

                            #1518
                            Originally posted by homie1975
                            Good god
                            Blood in the streets...you know what to do. -Warren Buffet

                            Just in time for the santa claus rally too.
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                            • KVB
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 05-29-14
                              • 74817

                              #1519
                              Originally posted by RoyBacon
                              Blood in the streets...you know what to do. -Warren Buffet

                              Just in time for the santa claus rally too.
                              What are you liking?

                              I feel like there's value in some banks and even retail.

                              We have one more season of GME to get sales. It's got a decent dividend and I rode the up down wave all year. I sold all of it at 14.95 now am thinking of going back in for the dividend trade.

                              What are you looking at here?
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                              • RoyBacon
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 09-21-05
                                • 37074

                                #1520
                                Originally posted by KVB
                                What are you liking?

                                I feel like there's value in some banks and even retail.

                                We have one more season of GME to get sales. It's got a decent dividend and I rode the up down wave all year. I sold all of it at 14.95 now am thinking of going back in for the dividend trade.

                                What are you looking at here?
                                So far today I bought
                                SPY - a ton
                                AMZN

                                I'm keeping some powder dry on anything dividend related. NRZ is tempting at $16.70, real tempting.

                                But once this storm blows over folks are going to see the strength in the economy and I think we resume the overheating concerns and rates tick up. I do not see the solid dividend plays moving much. But they are tempting.
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                                • KVB
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 05-29-14
                                  • 74817

                                  #1521
                                  I like it.

                                  Keep it simple with the index. It really does makes a ton of sense.
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                                  • RoyBacon
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 09-21-05
                                    • 37074

                                    #1522
                                    Let's see how the close and open tomorrow goes.

                                    There will be a lot of forced margin selling on both. Mu guess is there will be plenty of buyers.
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                                    • RoyBacon
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 09-21-05
                                      • 37074

                                      #1523
                                      Impressive. I think I saw the Dow down 775 at one point. Closes down 80.
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                                      • d2bets
                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                        • 08-10-05
                                        • 39994

                                        #1524
                                        Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                        Impressive. I think I saw the Dow down 775 at one point. Closes down 95.
                                        Nasdaq closed positive too. Very unpredictable market. Somebody's cashing in from this volatility.
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                                        • RoyBacon
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 09-21-05
                                          • 37074

                                          #1525
                                          Originally posted by d2bets
                                          Nasdaq closed positive too. Very unpredictable market. Somebody's cashing in from this volatility.
                                          Today's sell off surprised me. I bot some calls when it was down 400 and sold them when it was down 500.

                                          We could have just seen a real capitulation, verrrrry rare. SPY trades about 75 million a day, today was over 200 million. Time will tell. We need to avoid any horrible news for a couple of days and let her heal.
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                                          • KVB
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 05-29-14
                                            • 74817

                                            #1526
                                            Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                            Today's sell off surprised me...
                                            Yeah, it's like when the favorite and expected winner goes down early then makes a comeback.

                                            STWD finished positive.

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                                            • d2bets
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 08-10-05
                                              • 39994

                                              #1527
                                              Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                              Today's sell off surprised me. I bot some calls when it was down 400 and sold them when it was down 500.

                                              We could have just seen a real capitulation, verrrrry rare. SPY trades about 75 million a day, today was over 200 million. Time will tell. We need to avoid any horrible news for a couple of days and let her heal.
                                              Well this is the third recent bounce off of ~ 2640ish on the S&P in the last couple of months.

                                              If you ignore the volatility, right now the S&P is almost exactly flat for 2018. Pretty boring lol.

                                              I'm just worried that the action is starting to look like the action in late 2007.
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                                              • homie1975
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 12-24-13
                                                • 15452

                                                #1528
                                                market came roaring back to close pretty much even on the S&P and up on the Daq. i'm not in anything on the DOW
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                                                • RoyBacon
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 09-21-05
                                                  • 37074

                                                  #1529
                                                  Originally posted by d2bets
                                                  Well this is the third recent bounce off of ~ 2640ish on the S&P in the last couple of months.

                                                  If you ignore the volatility, right now the S&P is almost exactly flat for 2018. Pretty boring lol.

                                                  I'm just worried that the action is starting to look like the action in late 2007.
                                                  Of course a true capitulation is not known until the chart gets some forward history. This could just be the start for all we know right now.

                                                  A close below 2610 on the SnP would A) today's event was not a capitulation and B) take out major support. A trader could put on a 20 day Call/Put straddle at any trades below 2620. The strategy would involve holding until expiration.

                                                  But I doubt we get there with rates where they are. Jobs report in the AM. Verrrry hopeful it's benign. Good or bad news can be bad when this puppy is trying to catch its breath.
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                                                  • KVB
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 05-29-14
                                                    • 74817

                                                    #1530
                                                    That BAC I picked up a couple of days ago is the only real shit I own. I'm actually up today.

                                                    Starting to buy and accumulate MJ, the weed ETF, in the 26's and 27's for a longer term position.

                                                    I hope it's the right call.

                                                    Here are the top 20 Decliners with last trade over 5 and avg 5 day vol over 250,000...

                                                    Symbol Last Trade Change % Change Description
                                                    BKNG 1,819.93 -62.31 -3.31 BOOKING HOLDINGS INC
                                                    MTN 224.25 -47.52 -17.49 VAIL RESORTS INC
                                                    AMZN 1,654.34 -44.85 -2.64 AMAZON.COM INC
                                                    ULTA 262.10 -30.82 -10.52 ULTA BEAUTY INC
                                                    GOOG 1,040.13 -28.60 -2.68 ALPHABET INC
                                                    GOOGL 1,051.30 -26.78 -2.48 ALPHABET INC
                                                    COO 250.60 -26.42 -9.54 COOPER COMPANIES INC
                                                    ISRG 496.48 -22.61 -4.36 INTUITIVE SURGICAL INC
                                                    NFLX 266.44 -16.44 -5.81 NETFLIX INC
                                                    TREE 245.81 -16.11 -6.15 LENDINGTREE INC
                                                    LULU 117.35 -14.09 -10.72 LULULEMON ATHLETICA INC
                                                    ILMN 323.97 -10.35 -3.10 ILLUMINA INC
                                                    ABMD 322.71 -10.27 -3.08 ABIOMED INC
                                                    FDX 205.48 -9.58 -4.46 FEDEX CORP
                                                    NVDA 148.78 -9.51 -6.01 NVIDIA CORP
                                                    ADBE 241.17 -9.46 -3.78 ADOBE INC
                                                    BIG 30.83 -9.46 -23.49 BIG LOTS INC
                                                    MDGL 111.20 -9.46 -7.84
                                                    SIVB 209.86 -9.29 -4.24 SVB FINANCIAL GROUP
                                                    ANET 229.15 -9.28 -3.89 ARISTA NETWORKS INC
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                                                    • Stallion
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 03-21-10
                                                      • 3616

                                                      #1531
                                                      I'm seeing a recession in 12 to 18 months.
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                                                      • BigJay
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-14-12
                                                        • 3485

                                                        #1532
                                                        I had a decent size lump sum (for me) to invest second week of October.

                                                        Debated buying a shade over three BTC at $6,200 but thankfully went with stocks instead.

                                                        I’ve followed the market for years but the one time I had a nice investment nest egg but unfortunately I had to liquidate it during my divorce.

                                                        I made what’s been a very good call so far to buy the TSLA dip (in at $254), also bought Amazon (in at $1702) and BABA (in at $144).
                                                        I have about 45 percent of my investment in both TSLA and Amazon and 10 percent in BABA.

                                                        Amazon is so volatile but I do like the company long term. I am also afraid of a recession or at least a slow down in the economy soon.

                                                        Although I’ve done well so far I’m afraid I’m getting in this boat when a lot of signs point to another crash soon.

                                                        Any suggestions?

                                                        I’ve also been following a stock called JD.com that seems like a good value right now. Thinking about buying 50-100 shares.

                                                        I know I was kind of all over the place there but any advice from some of the long-time investors on this site would be greatly appreciated.

                                                        Thanks in advance
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                                                        • homie1975
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 12-24-13
                                                          • 15452

                                                          #1533
                                                          Originally posted by RoyBacon
                                                          Blood in the streets...you know what to do. -Warren Buffet

                                                          Just in time for the santa claus rally too.
                                                          Yes Sir I am running towards this not away from it
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                                                          • KVB
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 05-29-14
                                                            • 74817

                                                            #1534
                                                            BIgJay JD and Baba solid companies but prepare for volatility, shouldn't matter long term.

                                                            The economy really is doing fine. Don't equate what happens in the markets to what is happening in the economy.

                                                            Individual companies that ran like crazy simply aren't going to continue on the same path of growth but as services and cloud services become the new growth areas, things really could rebound.

                                                            I would like to say that even a slowdown of any kind showing up in the near future may not hurt equities much more but I don't know that. Maybe we should see some capitulation and sideways movement first.

                                                            Amazon is always a good bet, but buying on dips is obviously wise there.

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                                                            • KVB
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 05-29-14
                                                              • 74817

                                                              #1535
                                                              Originally posted by KVB
                                                              That BAC I picked up a couple of days ago is the only real shit I own. I'm actually up today...
                                                              Welp, not up anymore, BAC in the temporary shitter and my natty gas giving up some nice gains. Might pick up more BAC.

                                                              GME up today, a little. Investors chasing that dividend.
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                                                              • SportsMushroom
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 09-28-10
                                                                • 4177

                                                                #1536
                                                                Originally posted by KVB
                                                                The economy really is doing fine. Don't equate what happens in the markets to what is happening in the economy.
                                                                i'm not the most knowledgeable regarding the stock exchange, but these are some basic stuff kvb

                                                                the markets may not reflect the economy as a whole, but they are a good approximation

                                                                a stock's price represents expected future earnings for the shareholder, so it also represents the expected earning potential of the company

                                                                when a stock's price goes down, it means the markets think that the future earning potential of the company has diminished

                                                                obviously when one company's stock price changes, it could be because of a myriad of factors, if most stocks are going down at the same time, it points to factors that are market wide

                                                                the markets right now are going down in tandem, which implies that investors think that future earnings potential for most companies has diminished, they are under the impression that the economy is slowing down, possibly heading for a recession

                                                                one of the biggest reasons for this belief is the trade war, investors know many companies rely on imports of raw materials and components from china, the trade war is increasing their input costs, forcing those with the tightest margins to close shop, and reducing profits for the rest, also many will choose to pass the costs to consumers, either because they think that people will pay, or because thats the only way to remain profitable. this leads to inflation, which means consumers can afford to buy less things. to summarize, the trade war has led to companies going out of business, less profits for the rest, and less money for consumers to spend, i.e. recession. investors think its coming, they are selling like crazy to secure their profits or limit losses, and the markets are tumbling


                                                                thanks obama /s
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                                                                • KVB
                                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                                  • 05-29-14
                                                                  • 74817

                                                                  #1537
                                                                  Honestly Mushroom, that's just not true anymore.

                                                                  The stock market and the economy are separate, no matter what they try to teach you.

                                                                  The US economy is in really good shape. The good new is, nobody thinks it is.

                                                                  As far as stock prices and future earnings, if only it were that easy.

                                                                  It's a traders market. A gamblers market, driven by math more complex than just future earnings. Those thinking stock prices and future earning are long term and when they do trade short term, it doesn't move markets.

                                                                  Don't kid yourself, the stock market is an institutionally manipulated animal independent of the economy, has been for some time now.
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                                                                  • grease lightnin
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 10-01-12
                                                                    • 16015

                                                                    #1538
                                                                    Mushroom is a sharp kid. Stocks are a leading economic indicator.

                                                                    But its not just trade. It’s rising interest rates and delevering of central bank balance sheets. It’s the temporary nature of the boost from tax cuts. And it’s just late in the economic cycle.

                                                                    It cracks me up to hear Trumpers talk like we were in a recession all during the Obama era, and now because we have trip, we are in an expansion. Guys, the expansion is ten years old.

                                                                    You can now read about these things on CNBC, but Greaser gave you all these reasons a long time ago.
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                                                                    • grease lightnin
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 10-01-12
                                                                      • 16015

                                                                      #1539
                                                                      Originally posted by KVB
                                                                      Honestly Mushroom, that's just not true anymore.

                                                                      The stock market and the economy are separate, no matter what they try to teach you.

                                                                      The US economy is in really good shape. The good new is, nobody thinks it is.

                                                                      As far as stock prices and future earnings, if only it were that easy.

                                                                      It's a traders market. A gamblers market, driven by math more complex than just future earnings. Those thinking stock prices and future earning are long term and when they do trade short term, it doesn't move markets.

                                                                      Don't kid yourself, the stock market is an institutionally manipulated animal independent of the economy, has been for some time now.

                                                                      Much of this is true, but fundamentals are still the linchpin.

                                                                      But hey, that’s the way I think.

                                                                      I also think bookmakers try to get even money on both sides of the bet.

                                                                      KVB and I are opposed on both topics. Funny how they are both very similar.

                                                                      Who is right?

                                                                      Probably both of us.
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                                                                      • KVB
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 05-29-14
                                                                        • 74817

                                                                        #1540
                                                                        Definitely both of us.

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