LeBron is the best basketball player ever.

GuinnessDrinka · 02-15-13, 09:01 AM

[QUOTE=raiders72001;17818628]Wade is much better than Pippen and Bosh is better than anyone else that Jordan had on his team. Miami should never lose a game.

are u serious with this statement?

InTheDrink · 02-15-13, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Durrrr

Lebron WILL overtake Mj IF he continues his tear like this for a few season, then all you Jordan fanboys can kill yourselves.

are you still butt hurt that jordan dropped a double nickel on the suns in the 93 finals?

Chi_archie · 02-15-13, 02:29 PM

Lots of time for lebron to over take Jordan.

off topic but anyone got any stats on what percentage of white Americans play the game today vs 20 years ago?

pavyracer · 02-15-13, 02:57 PM

Most of the whites are foreigners now. I don't have any stats to prove it but the last white American who got a high draft pick was a bust. Was that kid with goofy hair from Gonzaga. Morrison or something like that. Kyle Korver is pretty good though.

frostno98 · 02-15-13, 03:01 PM

When LeBron gets a successful shoe company name LeBron then we can continue this debate.

salvador_7764 · 02-15-13, 03:06 PM

imagine if mj didnt retire he would have 7 or 8 championship ring.

InTheDrink · 02-15-13, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Most of the whites are foreigners now. I don't have any stats to prove it but the last white American who got a high draft pick was a bust. Was that kid with goofy hair from Gonzaga. Morrison or something like that. Kyle Korver is pretty good though.

Kevin Love genius

Jonah · 02-15-13, 03:15 PM

Great Teammate. His efficiency is the stuff Kobe and Jordan could only dream of.

BTW - Of course Jordan would take Kobe over Lebron. Jordan isn't jealous of Kobe.

PhillyFlyers · 02-15-13, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by russiaboss

My opinion Wilt Chamberlain is the best ever. At age 36 played every game during the season and averaged 18.6 rebounds his final year. 22.9 Career. Only center in NBA history to lead the league in assists (702 in 1967-68). Averaged 50.4 PPG in 1961-62. Never fouled out in his career.

This.

On top of that, Wilt still holds the record for most rebounds in one game, 55 and he did it against Bill Russell who is somehow considered by many to be the best defensive player ever(that should go to Wilt too). Blocked shots weren't kept as an official stat back then or he would own that record too.

Russell is also on record as saying that he was terrified of Wilt.

mcduggly · 02-15-13, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Most of the whites are foreigners now. I don't have any stats to prove it but the last white American who got a high draft pick was a bust. Was that kid with goofy hair from Gonzaga. Morrison or something like that. Kyle Korver is pretty good though.

Adam Morrison. Dude filled it up in college at Gonzaga but I don't even think he's playing basketball anymore.

pavyracer · 02-15-13, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by InTheDrink

Kevin Love genius

I looked it up. Morrison was #3 pick. Love was #5 pick. So I was correct.

Chi_archie · 02-15-13, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by PhillyFlyers

This.

On top of that, Wilt still holds the record for most rebounds in one game, 55 and he did it against Bill Russell who is somehow considered by many to be the best defensive player ever(that should go to Wilt too). Blocked shots weren't kept as an official stat back then or he would own that record too.

Russell is also on record as saying that he was terrified of Wilt.

Rebounds and points records from those days in NBA should be looked at in the same way we look at wins and complete games records in MLB from the 1920s

hostile takeover · 02-15-13, 04:11 PM

Adam Morrison. Who would bring up that d-bag?

Wait a second... Morrison Rings = 2. lebron Rings = 1.

InTheDrink · 02-15-13, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

I looked it up. Morrison was #3 pick. Love was #5 pick. So I was correct.

fuk

InTheDrink · 02-15-13, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

Rebounds and points records from those days in NBA should be looked at in the same way we look at wins and complete games records in MLB from the 1920s

archer please dont engage philly flyers in any sort of conversation

raiders72001 · 02-15-13, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Jonah

Great Teammate. His efficiency is the stuff Kobe and Jordan could only dream of.

BTW - Of course Jordan would take Kobe over Lebron. Jordan isn't jealous of Kobe.

If you want to use efficiency then Jordan is the winner. Look at their win shares.

pavyracer · 02-15-13, 04:28 PM

90% of the people who say Lebron James is better than Jordan are 29 years old or younger.

Jordan was part of the original dream team who blew out all opposition by 60 points. Lebron had a hard time beating Spain and Argentina.

JayLA · 02-15-13, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

90% of the people who say Lebron James is better than Jordan are 29 years old or younger.

Jordan was part of the original dream team who blew out all opposition by 60 points. Lebron had a hard time beating Spain and Argentina.

i know older bettors and bball fans who think otherwise.

they must not know shit, huh.

pavyracer · 02-15-13, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by JayLA

i know older bettors and bball fans who think otherwise.

they must not know shit, huh.

When Lebron wins all the NBA finals he ever played he will surpass Jordan which is statistically impossible to happen.

ACoochy · 02-15-13, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by JayLA

i know older bettors and bball fans who think otherwise.

they must not know shit, huh.

Correct.

Wait til James has a comparable amount of rings to Jordan THEN they can make such a claim.

As an athlete he is probably more complete than Jordan but as a team player I've yet to see him rise to MJ level...

darrell74 · 02-15-13, 04:47 PM

Lebron is not the best, ever.
He's not clutch.

The best players are the guys you want to have the ball when the game is on the line.

mcduggly · 02-15-13, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

When Lebron wins all the NBA finals he ever played he will surpass Jordan which is statistically impossible to happen.

What the fukk does never losing in a finals series have to do with anything? So all the years he never made the finals are just thrown out just because he didn't get there? Stupid.

zjohnzzz · 02-15-13, 04:48 PM

i forgot how many rings does bill russell have :~)

mcduggly · 02-15-13, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by darrell74

Lebron is not the best, ever.
He's not clutch.

The best players are the guys you want to have the ball when the game is on the line.

I want a guy who will make the winning PLAY, whether it be a shot, pass, block, steal, etc.

mcduggly · 02-15-13, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by ACoochy

Correct.

Wait til James has a comparable amount of rings to Jordan THEN they can make such a claim.

As an athlete he is probably more complete than Jordan but as a team player I've yet to see him rise to MJ level...

We already established that rings don't mean shit in this comparison. If that was the case, Michael Jordan would take a back seat to Bill Russell. 11 to 6.

JayLA · 02-15-13, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by ACoochy

Correct.

Wait til James has a comparable amount of rings to Jordan THEN they can make such a claim.

As an athlete he is probably more complete than Jordan but as a team player I've yet to see him rise to MJ level...

correct about what, ACoochy?
you're saying grown ass men(marines,even) who've made(and lost) thousands gambling on basketball for 15+ years are wrong?

please.

Lebron James is the best athlete to touch the hardwood. Period. Deal with it.. embrace it.... wait until he plays for your favorite team. I wish my friends would post on message boards so they could make videos burying all of you doubters.

PAULYPOKER · 02-15-13, 04:52 PM

Last time I checked,Rings are not an individual effort..........

Therefore should hold no weight in a discussion of the greatest "individual" ever to play NBA basketball...........

mcduggly · 02-15-13, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by PAULYPOKER

Last time I checked,Rings are not an individual effort..........

Therefore should hold no weight in a discussion of the greatest "individual" every to play NBA basketball...........

It's about time you post something logical. Thank you.

str · 02-15-13, 05:09 PM

"Ever" covers a lot of territory.

Too much IMO.

Chi_archie · 02-15-13, 05:12 PM

Robert Horry was awesome

pavyracer · 02-15-13, 05:15 PM

Even Magic Johnson said today that if Jordan played Lebron one on one game for 10 games he would have won all 10. How is Lebron going to defend Jordan's shot? Jordan could jump 4 feet in the air and do a complete 360 turn and a pump fake all in the air before he released his shot.

InTheDrink · 02-15-13, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

Robert Horry was awesome

only player in history to lead hakeem, kobe, shaq and duncan all to nba titles

Seaweed · 02-15-13, 05:22 PM

Deciding 1-1 is stupid. Doesn't take into account other aspects of the game of passing, playing without the ball, making the right plays etc. Must judge in play. Jordan is the better jump shooter, but i think Lebron is better in all other aspects.

Seaweed · 02-15-13, 05:23 PM

Who was the best White European player of all time?

PAULYPOKER · 02-15-13, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Seaweed

Who was the best White European player of all time?

That one is easy........

Elliot Richards.......