LeBron is the best basketball player ever.

[raiders72001]

This tells it all. Jordan didn't disappear in the playoffs.

46.3	Jerry West*	Lakers	1965 Western Division Finals	Bullets	6	278
45.2	Michael Jordan*	Bulls	1988 Eastern Conference First Round	Cavaliers	5	226
45.0	Michael Jordan* (2)	Bulls	1992 Eastern Conference First Round	Heat	3	135
43.7	Michael Jordan* (3)	Bulls	1986 Eastern Conference First Round	Celtics	3	131
43.0	Michael Jordan* (4)	Bulls	1990 Eastern Conference Semifinals	76ers	5	215
42.6	Bernard King	Knicks	1984 Eastern Conference First Round	Pistons	5	213

[Goat Milk]

LeBron is a better rebounder and that's it. Jordan is better in every other category offensively and defensively as well as FT shooting.

Jordan no where near the passer that Lebron is. Not even close to the same vision.

[Hotpicks]

Jordan all the way as the best. nothing compares so far. there are a handful of greats out there-- Kareem -Magic - Barkley - Malone,, goes on ,but Jordan is by far the best. Kobe is in the elite as well as Lebron , but even with Kobes rings and Lebrons all around flow there is only one Jordan

[raiders72001]

Missed a few years in my first post.

46.3	Jerry West*	Lakers	1965 Western Division Finals	Bullets	6	278
45.2	Michael Jordan*	Bulls	1988 Eastern Conference First Round	Cavaliers	5	226
45.0	Michael Jordan* (2)	Bulls	1992 Eastern Conference First Round	Heat	3	135
43.7	Michael Jordan* (3)	Bulls	1986 Eastern Conference First Round	Celtics	3	131
43.0	Michael Jordan* (4)	Bulls	1990 Eastern Conference Semifinals	76ers	5	215
42.6	Bernard King	Knicks	1984 Eastern Conference First Round	Pistons	5	213
41.0	Michael Jordan* (5)	Bulls	1993 NBA Finals	Suns	6	246
40.8	Rick Barry*	Warriors	1967 NBA Finals	76ers	6	245
40.6	Elgin Baylor*	Lakers	1962 NBA Finals	Celtics	7	284
39.8	Michael Jordan* (6)	Bulls	1989 Eastern Conference First Round	Cavaliers	5	199

[stevenash]

Lebron is no where near the passer Bird was.
Now, before you jump ugly on your pal Nash, not saying Bird was better than James.

[raiders72001]

Jordan no where near the passer that Lebron is. Not even close to the same vision.

Then you never watched Jordan play.

[stevenash]

Missed a few years in my first post.

Benard King was a chucker

[Goat Milk]

Then you never watched Jordan play.

Jordan is no where near the passer that James is and it's not close. James is one of the most gifted passers in NBA history, even more so than 95% of point guards. Yeah I live NBA Raiders. I watched players step onto the court long before Jordan.

[raiders72001]

Jordan is no where near the passer that James is and it's not close. James is one of the most gifted passers in NBA history, even more so than 95% of point guards. Yeah I live NBA Raiders. I watched players step onto the court long before Jordan.

Then did you ever see Jordan disappear in the 4th quarter of a finals as Lebron did against Dallas? Or what about the clunkers that LeBron threw up against Bos in some playoff games? Jordan NEVER scored under 20 in the playoff finals.

[Goat Milk]

Then did you ever see Jordan disappear in the 4th quarter of a finals as Lebron did against Dallas? Or what about the clunkers that LeBron threw up against Bos in some playoff games? Jordan NEVER scored under 20 in the playoffs.

Did you even read my 1st post in this thread 1 page back? I'm aware. Go read my post

[raiders72001]

Did you even read my 1st post in this thread 1 page back? I'm aware. Go read my post

Sorry, missed it. Very long thread and I didn't see all the posts.

[Goat Milk]

Lebron is no where near the passer Bird was.
Now, before you jump ugly on your pal Nash, not saying Bird was better than James.

While bird was a great passer, he is no where near James. D Wade and Bird both good playmakers probably the same vision. Wade averaged over 7 assists a game for many years.

Lebron's vision sets him apart. Only a few guys I've ever seen have that vision. Nash, Bron, Isiah, Magic, maybe a couple others. Not many. Also, bird was more of a guy that would create a play for a team mate out of the post or in a pick and role while James can create a lot more plays off the dribble. Those 4 guys I mentioned have eyes in the back of their head. Jordan could never make the passes that Lebron James can make. Jordan's highlight passes are all stuff he does in the air to deceive the defender and then gets a no looker to someone.

How many times did you see Jordan run a pick and roll and then throw a perfect bounce pass to the roller? He hardly did that. Neither does Bryant. They're almost the same player, Jordan and Bryant.

[raiders72001]

While bird was a great passer, he is no where near James. D Wade and Bird both good playmakers probably the same vision. Wade averaged over 7 assists a game for many years.

Lebron's vision sets him apart. Only a few guys I've ever seen have that vision. Nash, Bron, Isiah, Magic, maybe a couple others. Not many. Also, bird was more of a guy that would create a play for a team mate out of the post or in a pick and role while James can create a lot more plays off the dribble. Those 4 guys I mentioned have eyes in the back of their head. Jordan could never make the passes that Lebron James can make. Jordan's highlight passes are all stuff he does in the air to deceive the defender and then gets a no looker to someone.

How many times did you see Jordan run a pick and roll and then throw a perfect bounce pass to the roller? He hardly did that. Neither does Bryant. They're almost the same player, Jordan and Bryant.

Still disagree on the passing. Jordan averaged 8 assists per game one year. There's very little difference in passing. It's just that at the end of the game, Jordan took over and made a few less passes while LeBron may dish it off in that situation.

[raiders72001]

88-89 : Jordan averaged 8 assists, 8 boards and 32.5 pts.

Jordan also played all 82 games in 9 different years.

[pavyracer]

Lebron can't do this. He will melt under pressure.

[raiders72001]

I liked the flu game. They had to carry him off the court when the game ended. He wasn't going to miss the game.

[InTheDrink]

goater ive probably agreed with every point youve made somewhere in this thread but i disagree with bird being nowhere near lebron passing the ball....bird probably managed to hang on extra year or two primarily because of his passing...if he wasnt such a great passer he'd have been a complete non threat offensively being a broken down man...and sure he was a shell of himself at that point but he was still very effective and borderline all star caliber (when he could play)

[Goat Milk]

Nice Bird vid. Yeah the guy was an exceptional passer for sure. You can certainly make the argument. But Bron is about to be in some elite company as far as total assists when he retires. For a 6'9 270 pound guy.

I'm not buying the Jordan better passer than James argument though. I think Bird is a better passer than Jordan and at the SG position I know for sure that D Wade is a better passer than Jordan, Earl Monroe right on Jordan's level maybe. A.I. was a gifted passer too but he was kind of a hybrid not really a true 2 guard. I just think Bryant and Jordan are both pretty much the same player. Both are great passers and could have averaged 10 assists a game every year if they really wanted, but they're both so focused on scoring, I don't know, they just don't have the same vision that the Nashes and the Lebron's have imo.

[face]

wow that's a cool video drinker

[PAULYPOKER]

Now that goat is back from his suspension,

this thread will go 96 + pages of useless drivel........

[MarlinsFan2212]

His combo of size and speed is simply unmatched. When his jumper falls he's literally unstoppable

[InTheDrink]

wow that's a cool video drinker

i spent all day making it

[Chi_archie]

Bird was a far better passer than Lebron

[PAULYPOKER]

Never was or will be a 6'9" white boy with rhythm or any white boy over 6'3" for that matter..................

[face]

i spent all day making it

[raiders72001]

Nice Bird vid. Yeah the guy was an exceptional passer for sure. You can certainly make the argument. But Bron is about to be in some elite company as far as total assists when he retires. For a 6'9 270 pound guy.

I'm not buying the Jordan better passer than James argument though. I think Bird is a better passer than Jordan and at the SG position I know for sure that D Wade is a better passer than Jordan, Earl Monroe right on Jordan's level maybe. A.I. was a gifted passer too but he was kind of a hybrid not really a true 2 guard. I just think Bryant and Jordan are both pretty much the same player. Both are great passers and could have averaged 10 assists a game every year if they really wanted, but they're both so focused on scoring, I don't know, they just don't have the same vision that the Nashes and the Lebron's have imo.

Wade is much better than Pippen and Bosh is better than anyone else that Jordan had on his team. Miami should never lose a game.

Jordan led the league in scoring in 10 years and led the league is steals 3 years. LeBron has on scoring title avg/game and has never played 82 games.

[raiders72001]

His combo of size and speed is simply unmatched. When his jumper falls he's literally unstoppable

And during the playoffs he just has the best seat in the house some games.

[William Walters]

Never was or will be a 6'9" white boy with rhythm or any white boy over 6'3" for that matter..................

You a field worker oddball?

[InTheDrink]

Never was or will be a 6'9" white boy with rhythm or any white boy over 6'3" for that matter..................

vanilla ice is 6'2"

[MoneyLineDawg]

Lebron at his best like tonight is about as good as it can get.....Will agree that MJ was more consistently great day in and day out and definitely in the playoffs (at least so far when compared to Lebron's playoff career)

But come on, when Lebron is nailing his outside shots he is literally unstoppable.....Tonight he put on an absolute clinic against a great team

Also his vision and passing are as good as it gets in NBA history (Top 5 anyway--Bird and Magic were unreal in this category)......If he were to play strictly PG he would probably be the best ever at that too

[Durrrr]

Lebron WILL overtake Mj IF he continues his tear like this for a few season, then all you Jordan fanboys can kill yourselves.

[BlacK_HazE]

[Seaweed]

3 point shootout

[raiders72001]

Lebron at his best like tonight is about as good as it can get.....Will agree that MJ was more consistently great day in and day out and definitely in the playoffs (at least so far when compared to Lebron's playoff career)

But come on, when Lebron is nailing his outside shots he is literally unstoppable.....Tonight he put on an absolute clinic against a great team

Also his vision and passing are as good as it gets in NBA history (Top 5 anyway--Bird and Magic were unreal in this category)......If he were to play strictly PG he would probably be the best ever at that too

When Jordan hits those outside shots, he puts up 50 or 60 points. The rules were different when Jordan played. You got knocked on your ass when you drove. Today they call a flagrant.

[SparJMU]

Lebron WILL overtake Mj IF he continues his tear like this for a few season, then all you Jordan fanboys can kill yourselves.

I am not sure about the killing ourselves part, but you are right Lebron will take the crown if he keeps this up for about 4-5 more years. In the meantime, all this Lebron talk has to stop. We are years away from any real debate.