LeBron is the best basketball player ever.

[mcduggly]

Who was the best White European player of all time?

I'm going with Dirk.

Also, what a perfect response from LeBron in this article:

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miam...sed-titles-won

[Creep]

One must acquire basketball skills at an early age.

[raiders72001]

Bird a much better passer than LeBron. Just watch the first couple of passes.

[raiders72001]

and a better shooter

[upscope]

Last time I checked,Rings are not an individual effort..........

Therefore should hold no weight in a discussion of the greatest "individual" ever to play NBA basketball...........

True but championships define greatness. The truly great ones lead their teams to championships. That's the reason they become greater on a bigger level.

[upscope]

i forgot how many rings does bill russell have :~)

Russell played in an era that consisted of 8 team leagues.

[pavyracer]

Russell played in an era that consisted of 8 team leagues.

How many different teams have won the NBA championship the last 30 years?

[MP123]

Lebron James is great, he's the greatest active player right now n it's not even an argument
But let's not forget Jordan's competitive spirit.. He simply refused to lose night in night out... The heat just barely r starting to get interested in the season, Jordan lead his team to 72 wins after winning 3 titles, than 69, future hall of famers couldn't get a title cuz they had 2 go through Jordan, Craig ehlo, Clyde drexler, Charles Barkley, Gary Payton, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Reggie miller, Tim hardaway, the list goes on n on n none of them won a title cuz every time they tried to make a run there was #23 again... He averaged 37 points in 1 season his 3rd year in the league and that was with handchecking and Detroit pistons badboy basketball , meaning they knocked u on ur ass if u ever drove to the basket. A lot of people say what LBJ is doing right now is the greatest stretch of all time, it's great but how about 30+ pts 10+ assists & 10+ boards a game for 10/11 straight, and the 1 he didn't get a triple double, 40 pts 7 ast and 11 rebounds in the 2nd of a b2b vs the Detroit pistons, who would win the title a few weeks later... And 5 games in 7 nights during that stretch... How about this for a stretch of games.. 78, 61, 55, 54, 52, 43, 50, 57, 55, 59, 51, 53, 60. And on the night Wilt scored 78, he had 43 rebounds … against the Lakers. Later in that same season of '62, Wilt had nights of 67 points and 21 rebounds, 65 points and 23 rebounds, 61 and 28, 100 and 25, and 58 and 35. What about Oscar Robertson, averaging a triple double the whole SEASON!! Lebron James greatest active player? Yes. Greatest of all time? A little premature
Edit: oh n almost forgot, 10+ assists in all 19 playoff games to lead the lakers to the title, than to prove it wasn't a fluke the next year, 10+ again in all but 1 game, with that lone game having 9 assists magic Johnson

[k13]

Jordan played against mostly scrubs, the best players that guarded him were like Ehlo, Starks, Miller, Dumars, Richmond. lol
Basically a joke.

Jordan said the best defender that guarded him was Richmond, that's already laughable.

Might as well brag about beating wheelchair kids at the local YMCA.

[jsmithj88]

True but championships define greatness. The truly great ones lead their teams to championships. That's the reason they become greater on a bigger level.

so that must mean sam cassell is greater than john stockton
since he won a title (while jordan was away) while john lost to jordan twice .............

[PAULYPOKER]

True but championships define greatness. The truly great ones lead their teams to championships. That's the reason they become greater on a bigger level.

Yes, Phil Jackson proved this many times but he is not a great player.......

[raiders72001]

Don't snicker when Michael Jordan says he's trying to get back down to his playing weight.Whether he comes back to the NBA or not, Jordan still can beat you in one-on-one ... unless you're better than the No. 2 pick in the draft.
Charlotte Bobcats rookie Michael Kidd-Gilchrist said Friday in Houston that 49-year-old Jordan beat him in a one-on-one game. Jordan turns 50 Sunday, while Kidd-Gilchrist is seven months away from turning 20.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon...s-nba/1924059/

[raiders72001]

Jordan played against mostly scrubs, the best players that guarded him were like Ehlo, Starks, Miller, Dumars, Richmond. lol
Basically a joke.

Jordan said the best defender that guarded him was Richmond, that's already laughable.

Might as well brag about beating wheelchair kids at the local YMCA.

You're 100% wrong. Plus Jordan was double teamed and smacked around every time he drove.

[raiders72001]

Jordan played against mostly scrubs, the best players that guarded him were like Ehlo, Starks, Miller, Dumars, Richmond. lol
Basically a joke.

Jordan said the best defender that guarded him was Richmond, that's already laughable.

Might as well brag about beating wheelchair kids at the local YMCA.

The Top 50 All Time Perimeter Defenders of Michael Jordan

This is a rebuttal to that Kobe lovin jockstrap detectors causing themselves to belittle Michael Jordan's legacy by saying Mike have never faced defenders that was 6'5'' and up. This is a list of NBA Players who have guarded Mike during his Prime Time Days:

Grant Hill - Height 6'8"
Sean Elliott - Height 6'8"
Robert Reid - Height 6'8"
Jerry Reynolds - Height 6'8"
Walt Williams - Height 6'8"
Malik Sealy - Height 6'8"
Shawn Marion - Height 6'7"
Bruce Bowen - Height 6'7"
Lionel Simmons - Height 6'7"
Calbert Cheaney - Height 6'7"
Penny Hardaway - Height 6'7"
Bryon Russell - Height 6'7"
Clyde Drexler - Height 6'7"
Reggie Miller - Height 6'7"
Purvis Short - Height 6'7"
Tony Campbell - Height 6'7"
Dale Ellis - Height 6'7"
Steve Smith - Height 6'7"
Reggie Theus - Height 6'7"
Glen Rice - Height 6'7"
Alex English - Height 6'7"
Reggie Williams - Height 6'7"
Dominique Wilkins - Height 6'7"
Nick Anderson - Height 6'6"
Gerald Wilkins - Height 6'6"
Rolando Blackman - Height 6'6"
Stacey Augmon - Height 6'6"
Doug Christie - Height 6'6"
Craig Ehlo - Height 6'6''
Ron Harper - Height 6'6"
Chris Mullin - Height 6'6"
Jim Jackson - Height 6'6"
Kobe Bryant - Height 6'6"
Ron Artest - Height 6'6"
Paul Pierce - Height 6'6"
Michael Ray Richardson - Height 6'5"
Mario Ellie - Height 6'5"
Mitch Richmond - Height 6'5"
Michael Cooper - Height 6'5"
Kendall Gill - Height 6'5"
Kerry Kittles - Height 6'5"
Raja Bell - Height 6'5"
Mike Woodson - Height 6'5"
Gary Payton - Height 6'4"
Lester Conner - Height 6'4"
Dennis Johnson - Height 6'4"
Jeff Malone - Height 6'4"
Joe Dumars - Height 6'3"
John Starks - Height 6'3"


Jeff Hornacek - Height 6'3"

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[InTheDrink]

I love this thread because I think I've gotten started watching MJ videos on youtube and now I'm almost all the way through every one of them.

People who say lebron is better at everything than jordan except shooting are clueless. Jordan is arguably a top five ball handler of all time (off the top of my head with CP3, Isiah, Pistol Pete, Iverson...skip to my lou not eligible cuz he sucked) and was better around the rim in a half court offense than lebron. No one has ever been as good with both hands around the basket as MJ

[PAULYPOKER]

Elliott Diablos Richards

Now that's the best NBA player as far as I am concerned

[raiders72001]

I love this thread because I think I've gotten started watching MJ videos on youtube and now I'm almost all the way through every one of them.

People who say lebron is better at everything than jordan except shooting are clueless. Jordan is arguably a top five ball handler of all time (off the top of my head with CP3, Isiah, Pistol Pete, Iverson...skip to my lou not eligible cuz he sucked) and was better around the rim in a half court offense than lebron. No one has ever been as good with both hands around the basket as MJ

Great video. They didn't have the restricted area under the net when Jordan played making it more difficult since defenders stood in that area trying to take a charge or block.

[pouyasophy]

MJ had to deal with the dirty Pistons hitting him all over the place. It made him tougher and burned his soul.

If Lebron had to deal with dirty cheap shots, he'd run into the locker room and cry. The guys today are sissies and mental midgets compared to 20 years ago.

Lebron got swept in the finals, choked another time worse than any player in the history of the sport against an old, washed up, slow Mavs (with Shawn Marion guarding him of all people). Shawn Marion made a hook shot in Lebron's face and called him a b*tch as they got back on defense, and Lebron LET IT HAPPEN because he's a b*tch.

Lebron quit vs the Celtics while on the Cavs.

Lebron has 1 ring with 3 other superstars and would have never even won 1 ring if he had to play the Spurs...therefore, Lebron has still not even cracked the top 10 of all time yet.

[k13]

.....

That list is a joke. Kobe Bryant, are you serious? All the "new" generation players were just starting out as Jordan was retiring.
Chris mullin...why not just have a chair as a defender? lol

Jordan was going down hill in his final "championship" years as more longer, athletic players were starting to come to the NBA.
46% FG and 23% 3pt, he knew deep down inside it was time to retire.

When you put someone like Shawn Marion on this list, you lose all credibility.
If Jordan had "skill", he would still be good with the Wizards but he was just a chucker who lost his athletic advantage.
Even old scrubs shoot better than 41% and 18% from 3 point land.

[k13]

You watch Jordan highlights from the 80's and it looks like he's playing against handicapped kids who can barely move and dribble.

[pouyasophy]

You watch Jordan highlights from the 80's and it looks like he's playing against handicapped kids who can barely move and dribble.

Lebron's playing against no one! Name a few good defenders....(crickets)

The pathetic thing is that Lebron gets to play with 3 Hall of famers and finally got 1 ring in 10 years despite having more talent than any NBA player ever. He's a sissy with no hunger who has had to finally get 100x better than everyone in order to win a championship because we all know that if the games are close he can't win it because he's a mental midget.

Not to mention that in the NBA there are only 2-3 contenders each year and the rest of the teams are scrubs for Lebron to pad his stats against.

Not to mention you get called for a flagrant for looking at Lebron...

what a joke these 20 year old kids think Lebron is even a top 10 player all time already with his countless chokejobs and failures...guy wins 1 ring and is god ....


let me know when he has as many rings as Wade...oh right, he had to jump on Wade's d*ck to win a ring...pathetic

[InTheDrink]

You watch Jordan highlights from the 80's and it looks like he's playing against handicapped kids who can barely move and dribble.

k13 thats a clown comment bro

pistons were the best defensive team of all time...and as mentioned already the nba wasnt soft as charmin like it is today

[InTheDrink]

i couldnt imagine guys like laimbeer or anthony mason in todays nba...theyd foul out or get ejected in the first three minutes

[raiders72001]

That list is a joke. Kobe Bryant, are you serious? All the "new" generation players were just starting out as Jordan was retiring.
Chris mullin...why not just have a chair as a defender? lol

Jordan was going down hill in his final "championship" years as more longer, athletic players were starting to come to the NBA.
46% FG and 23% 3pt, he knew deep down inside it was time to retire.

When you put someone like Shawn Marion on this list, you lose all credibility.
If Jordan had "skill", he would still be good with the Wizards but he was just a chucker who lost his athletic advantage.
Even old scrubs shoot better than 41% and 18% from 3 point land.

I listed everyone that guarded Jordan. You lose all credibility if you think a team is going to put their worst defender on the best player to ever play the game night in and night out.. Look up Gary Payton to see some of the guys that guarded Jordan.

[Dutch]

Hornacek = GOAT

[raiders72001]

Hornacek = GOAT

They used Stockton to double team Jordan. Just a guy that happened to guard Jordan on occasion.

[raiders72001]

Jordan telling Kerr to be ready because Stockton will double team. Kerr hits last shot.

[mcduggly]

Comparing defenders from different eras is just as effective as comparing players from different eras. I can sit here and say the defenders were "better" because the players that they were guarding were worse, thus increasing their defensive effectiveness.

[mcduggly]

Jordan telling Kerr to be ready because Stockton will double team. Kerr hits last shot.

Aren't these the plays that people criticize LeBron for? Passing it off to a wide open shooter in the closing seconds of the game instead of taking the shot himself, even if he's double-teamed? LeBron always makes the right decision to close games, and like I've said before, it doesn't have to be the shot that wins the game. In this situation Kerr technically hit the game-winning shot, but MJ made the winning play with the pass.

[Seaweed]

Lebron calls Jordan the GOAT

[spencer7]

lebron does not have the attitude like jordan magic or bird watch him interviewed after a loss he's not pissed the others were

[InTheDrink]

Aren't these the plays that people criticize LeBron for? Passing it off to a wide open shooter in the closing seconds of the game instead of taking the shot himself, even if he's double-teamed? LeBron always makes the right decision to close games, and like I've said before, it doesn't have to be the shot that wins the game. In this situation Kerr technically hit the game-winning shot, but MJ made the winning play with the pass.

LOL are you fukkin kidding gueey? lebron is criticized because he makes NO attempt to take the shot...watch that other video...jordan has control of the game and has his own game plan at ALL times

i love this one....he didnt even try to get inside the three point line and it cost him an easy mvp if the east won

[raiders72001]

Aren't these the plays that people criticize LeBron for? Passing it off to a wide open shooter in the closing seconds of the game instead of taking the shot himself, even if he's double-teamed? LeBron always makes the right decision to close games, and like I've said before, it doesn't have to be the shot that wins the game. In this situation Kerr technically hit the game-winning shot, but MJ made the winning play with the pass.

That's not what LeBron gets criticized for. Against Dallas in the finals he passed the ball as soon as it hit his hands in the 4th. He didn't drive. He sat outside the 3 point line and passed. Jordan wants the ball, LeBron doesn't at times.

[ThaTopMoron]

You watch Jordan highlights from the 80's and it looks like he's playing against handicapped kids who can barely move and dribble.

you know nothing as evidenced by comments like this

[ThaTopMoron]

LOL are you fukkin kidding gueey? lebron is criticized because he makes NO attempt to take the shot...watch that other video...jordan has control of the game and has his own game plan at ALL times

i love this one....he didnt even try to get inside the three point line and it cost him an easy mvp if the east won

yup that's right LeBrock was even scared to take a last second shot in the f'n all-star game

MJ was always ready for a challenge, ready to defeat it, no matter what... not afraid. #eminem