Another A book that is only interested in square action

[MonkeyF0cker]

I know for a fact that years ago you got a push if one leg tied. It didn't matter if the second leg won or lost. That's all I said. I loved Vegas teasers back then.

With this new offer, what's the bet? It's ambiguously worded. I'm not sure what side you are taking. We are talking 2 team 6 point NFL teasers.

LMAO. How is it ambiguously worded? You said this...

Vegas teasers were best long ago when a tie on either leg of a 2 teamer equaled a push. It didn't matter if the other leg won or lost.

And this...

Years ago before MFer was in Vegas, you got a push on 2 team 6 point teasers if one leg tied. Ask Justin, he knows this.

That implies that the rule no longer exists. Would YOU like to wager that books in Vegas do not have this rule any longer? I believe the side that you've taken is pretty self-evident.

Squirm like the snake you are, Raiders.

[raiders72001]

MFer- You're just wasting my time. Here's a sample of your work.

01-12-2010, 06:18 AM

raiders72001 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 39,701

Re: I was looking for OGD.... BW buys the hook a lot and plays teasers. He even plays them the first week of football season which surprise me because the lines are looser at the beginning of the year.

01-12-2010, 06:28 AM

MonkeyF0cker Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 884

Re: I was looking for OGD.... No he doesn't, moron. He absolutely DOES NOT buy hooks.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Oh, gee. How'd I know this was coming? That's not out of context or anything. But I believe I've already stated that since this the fourth time you've done it in this thread alone. You're as predictable as a clock. LMAO. How pathetic.

You lose. Again. Sorry, chump. Nice squirming as always.

[raiders72001]

01-13-2010, 01:21 AM

MonkeyF0cker Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 884

Interesting. I couldn't run an optimizer from my iPhone. I've done very little with teasers. I've bet them maybe a handful of times here. They are nearly a thing of the past in Vegas.

I think I've made my point.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I think I've made my point.

What point is that? That you got clowned in an argument about teasers by someone who admittedly rarely bets them? Solid point indeed.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Those posts are only two years old as well. LOL. In two years, that's the best that you can come up with. That's extremely sad.

[raiders72001]

What point is that? That you got clowned by someone who rarely bets teasers? Solid point indeed.

That you were schooled. If you bet offshore, you would be betting teasers. You were 100% wrong about HT bets. Many of your statements about offshore are just plain foolish. You're a fraud, but you're good with numbers so you fool the sheep.

[MonkeyF0cker]

That you were schooled. If you bet offshore, you would be betting teasers. You were 100% wrong about HT bets. Many of your statements about offshore are just plain foolish. You're a fraud, but you're good with numbers so you fool the sheep.

Yes. You've certainly schooled me. It's amazing how you keep going on after being thoroughly embarrassed. You have zero shame. That's not an admirable quality. Know when you're beat and take your lumps, chump. An old man like you should know better.

[raiders72001]

Yes. You've certainly schooled me. It's amazing how you keep going on after being thoroughly embarrassed. You have zero shame. That's not an admirable quality. Know when you're beat and take your lumps, chump. An old man like you should know better.

40s not old but old enough to spot a fraud.

[Winner_13]

MF,
I thought vegas does have different limits for people!!!

ex. krackman vrs. regular joe

walters vrs.mayweather

vegas does their own "risk aversion" but yet you do not consider them slimy?

[evo34]

You're ignoring the fact that affiliate agreements are in force for the life of the account. NBC doesn't have perpetual rights to any residuals from the customers it brings to Wal-Mart, yet SBR has those rights to all the accounts it's been signing up with sponsors for over a decade now.

No major book would dare attempt to renegotiate this late in the game considering the power that SBR still has to smear them; just look at how marginalized Carib ended up after attempting to do exactly that. They'll ride those agreements out even as they go upside down, even with the wrecks of BetPhoenix and BetOnline foundering next door to them.

And while I wouldn't say SBR has a monopoly on referrals, as I stated earlier, the barriers to entry in the affiliate market only increase as the industry itself contracts. I don't anticipate any major shakeups in the affiliate world while the movement of funds in and out of country continues to increase in difficulty. That only strengthens SBR's ability to squeeze the remaining books as hard as they wish, short of inducing an artificial collapse.

There are plenty of affiliate programs outside the world of sports betting. Ones that pay a pct. of money spent. I highly doubt they are all surviving because of extortion.

The only way your argument makes sense is if the only effective way for sportsbooks to bring in new deposits was via SBR, AND if SBR was actively trying to bring down sportsbooks who refused to do business with it. The former: no way. The latter: I would obviously need to see hard evidence before believing.

[evo34]

Assuming that 5 Dimes is paying the going rate to SBR, what precisely would happen if they stopped? Would there be anonymous false payout complaints? An unexplained drop in grade to B? A subtle negative vibe from moderators? It's an honest question. What would the protocol be with SBR if such an event occurred?

[Optional]

There are plenty of affiliate programs outside the world of sports betting. Ones that pay a pct. of money spent. I highly doubt they are all surviving because of extortion.

The only way your argument makes sense is if the only effective way for sportsbooks to bring in new deposits was via SBR, AND if SBR was actively trying to bring down sportsbooks who refused to do business with it. The former: no way. The latter: I would obviously need to see hard evidence before believing.

Gambling affiliate traffic is a different beast to most other markets. There are very few easy to hook into traffic streams and for profit per conversion it is still one of the highest niches around. Groups of 'friendly' site owners control the bulk of free search engine traffic and I'd guess less than 15 entities control more than 50% of the best paid and type-in traffic sources.

New books need places like SBR to grow fast, which makes it even more worthwhile for established books to hold on to and force up the price of ad space.

Probably tough for SBR to grow profits in this climate, but I'd guess they are still one of the very few key sites that can make a newer book big if they try.

[Optional]

Assuming that 5 Dimes is paying the going rate to SBR, what precisely would happen if they stopped? Would there be anonymous false payout complaints? An unexplained drop in grade to B? A subtle negative vibe from moderators? It's an honest question. What would the protocol be with SBR if such an event occurred?

Someone else would take the space and immediately erode 5Ds market share. No conspiracy needed.

[evo34]

Someone else would take the space and immediately erode 5Ds market share. No conspiracy needed.

Seems pretty unlikely an established, successful book would need to pay off someone to prevent a new book from getting promoted and stealing business.

[MonkeyF0cker]

40s not old but old enough to spot a fraud.

Who am I defrauding exactly? LMAO.

Would you like to wager on your statements or not? Please do. A fraud like me needs money from a PLAYER like you. Give me some of that EOG paid poster money, big shot.

[raiders72001]

Assuming that 5 Dimes is paying the going rate to SBR, what precisely would happen if they stopped? Would there be anonymous false payout complaints? An unexplained drop in grade to B? A subtle negative vibe from moderators? It's an honest question. What would the protocol be with SBR if such an event occurred?

Almost everyone can be an affiliate. Slap a banner up and you get 25-30%. Most of the time the book will look at your site and approve it before they allow a banner. SBR probably gets 40-50% because of the volume. Many times, after a year of inactivity, a player may switch to another affiliate. If 5Dimes were to stop paying an affiliate, then word would get out and no one would advertise 5Dimes.

[evo34]

Almost everyone can be an affiliate. Slap a banner up and you get 25-30%. Most of the time the book will look at your site and approve it before they allow a banner. SBR probably gets 40-50% because of the volume. Many times, after a year of inactivity, a player may switch to another affiliate. If 5Dimes were to stop paying an affiliate, then word would get out and no one would advertise 5Dimes.

By "stopped", I simply meant if they fairly ended the affiliate deal with SBR going forward, not that they would stiff SBR of promised payments. RogueScholar is saying that simply choosing to discontinue doing affiliate business with SBR would result in such retaliation by SBR that a book would never even consider doing it. If this is a known threat (which is what he implies), I'm curious what precisely this retaliation consists of.

[Winner_13]

did corys mom ever get paid?
did heritage give money to a charity?

[Winner_13]

MF, I still do not understand how vegas isn't considered slimy?

[MonkeyF0cker]

MF, I still do not understand how vegas isn't considered slimy?

I don't think you entirely understand what the purpose of this thread is. There are disparate limits for certain subsets of teasers. That is not the same as limiting a player. It is limiting certain sides of a wager.

[Winner_13]

mhmm, makes sense.

...its a hard knock life.

the basic principle is still the same however, "risk aversion"/wanting "square" action.

[raiders72001]

I don't think you entirely understand what the purpose of this thread is. There are disparate limits for certain subsets of teasers. That is not the same as limiting a player. It is limiting certain sides of a wager.

doesn't hold weight. Happens all the time. You've never been at a book in Vegas where they told you that you could bet so much money at this line and so much at that? As winner13 pointed out, it's all risk aversion.

[MonkeyF0cker]

doesn't hold weight. Happens all the time. You've never been at a book in Vegas where they told you that you could bet so much money at this line and so much at that? As winner13 pointed out, it's all risk aversion.

Please stop trying to tell me what happens in Vegas. If that happens, a complaint is filed with gaming.

[raiders72001]

Please stop trying to tell me what happens in Vegas. If that happens, a complaint is filed with gaming.

lol- Now you think that doesn't happen. It's happened to me.

[Winner_13]

doesn't hold weight. Happens all the time. You've never been at a book in Vegas where they told you that you could bet so much money at this line and so much at that? As winner13 pointed out, it's all risk aversion.

MF, I am not in that list of people trying to tell you what happens in vegas, actually im the opposite, I want to learn what happens in Vegas.

[MonkeyF0cker]

lol- Now you think that doesn't happen. It's happened to me.

LMAO. Sure it has. And I'm sure you knew it was illegal. And I'm sure you filed a complaint with gaming.

Was it in between your paid posting gigs at EOG?

It's really amazing that you have the gall to call other people frauds.

You are a sad, sad man, Raiders. One who would rather spread misinformation than concede on a forum.

[MonkeyF0cker]

MF, I am not in that list of people trying to tell you what happens in vegas, actually im the opposite, I want to learn what happens in Vegas.

I know, man. I'm not accusing you of it. Raiders thinks he knows Vegas for some reason.

[raiders72001]

LMAO. Sure it has. And I'm sure you knew it was illegal. And I'm sure you filed a complaint with gaming.

Was it in between your paid posting gigs at EOG?

It's really amazing that you have the gall to call other people frauds.

No, I didn't file a complaint. I'm not a whiner.

[MonkeyF0cker]

No, I didn't file a complaint. I'm not a whiner.

Of course. Why would you try to stop it from happening again? Better to not be labeled a "whiner." LMAO.

Could you be more full of shit? I doubt it.

[raiders72001]

I know, man. I'm not accusing you of it. Raiders thinks he knows Vegas for some reason.

I don't know Vegas at all. It's like you telling me about offshore HTs. I'm just going by my own experience.

[raiders72001]

MFer- Serious question. You go up to the window and say you want $10k on the Packers to win the central at +100. Can they say I'll give you $5k at +100 and another $5k at -120? I don't know Vegas rules.

[rumnblack]

MFer- Serious question. You go up to the window and say you want $10k on the Packers to win the central at +100. Can they say I'll give you $5k at +100 and another $5k at -120? I don't know Vegas rules.

Sorry, completely off topic, but that's exactly what happens at Euro books with EPL soccer matches.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I don't know Vegas at all. It's like you telling me about offshore HTs. I'm just going by my own experience.

Yet, you've told us all about the time it takes for Vegas HT lines to move, how long it takes to get bets in here, teaser rules, and now illegal practices being commonplace. Funny how that works.

[MonkeyF0cker]

MFer- Serious question. You go up to the window and say you want $10k on the Packers to win the central at +100. Can they say I'll give you $5k at +100 and another $5k at -120? I don't know Vegas rules.

I believe they have to make each line publicly available first.