Another A book that is only interested in square action

[MonkeyF0cker]

I know a lot of sharps play at both. Your buddy in vegas plays at Heritage and is good friends with the owner. You might of seen him on 60 Minutes? maybe youre sharper than him and have been kicked out of both???

I have been kicked out of my fair share of books - both offshore and here.

[MonkeyF0cker]

A comparison of offshore to Vegas depends on a lot of personal factors.

Vegas is relatively good if you're American and bet major sports based on a model; offshore is relatively much better if you're not American, and a bonus whore or line shopper.

I've always thought Monkey underrated offshore though. Until recently, there were so many shops just giving away money. Hollywood bonuses + soft lines made me happy to get out of bed every morning. Promo code PANCAKE25 to celebrate National Pancake Week. Promo code FIREMAN22 to celebrate Firefighter's month, etc. Some of you will be snickering if you took advantage of these in the past. From his perspective I'd be more worried about all the p2p fees in posting up rather than the chance of being stiffed. Compared to the volume of bets I've made, the cost of stiffs probably amounts to 0.000000000001% of that total volume. In 5 years I've only been stiffed a couple of dimes, and even those less lucky haven't been stiffed that much more. Stories of guys being stiffed over 6 figures for correlated parlays come to mind, but they probably still came out far ahead and don't regret getting involved offshore.

The expected cost of a stiff can just be thought of as higher juice. I think this is minimal and more than compensated for by higher limits, convenience of betting online (Vegas mobile betting is still relatively new remember), greater variety of lines, promos, and greater variety of betting options. Unless you've been established in Vegas for a while it must be difficult to get fully trustworthy runners, which if they're not are probably more likely to stiff you than an offshore book. Runners still don't work for free, even if that is still a minimal cost. Books like Stations shouldn't really be factored into the analysis since sharps aren't going to last there very long. So what's left? Will Hill and Cantor? Move to a city for two shitty outs that never have better lines than Pinnacle?

Mathy loves offshore. Would be worth 98.4% less without it.

Hilton and MGM are solid outs. I am speaking strictly for Americans where there aren't nearly as many options for books as there are for people in other countries. And I'm speaking in the current tense. In the past, offshore has had a clear advantage. My argument is that it isn't there anymore for Americans. This thread is a perfect example. A book that was well-respected in the past has resorted to slimy "risk aversion" tactics. And that seems to be a continuing trend.

[MonkeyF0cker]

If your read Mathy closely he gets it, just doesn't like it. Monkey with his Vegas comparisons probably gets it a little better than before the thread started.

Oh. I've always gotten it, John. It's the people that don't "get it" that argue with me. People that have no idea what it's like to bet professionally in Vegas are usually the people that I'm arguing with. Because they think they know better than me somehow. But they always use the excuse that I'm the one that doesn't understand offshore like I don't bet there either (which is patently false). It's pretty absurd.

My preferences come from experience. Their opinions come from ignorance.

[mathdotcom]

I think Monkey is one of those guys that gets up in the morning and showers and gets dressed right away.

For the rest of us, offshore is the place to be

[MonkeyF0cker]

I think Monkey is one of those guys that gets up in the morning and showers and gets dressed right away.

For the rest of us, offshore is the place to be

Well, I also might be a bit bitter as I've recently had a very important out taken away from me. That changes things dramatically for me offshore.

[raiders72001]

A book that was well-respected in the past has resorted to slimy "risk aversion" tactics. And that seems to be a continuing trend.

You call CRIS slimy ignoring the fact that Vegas was first to change teaser odds.

[MonkeyF0cker]

You call CRIS slimy ignoring the fact that Vegas was first to change teaser odds.

Vegas doesn't have systematically different limits for certain subsets of teasers. What part of illegal did you not understand?

Have I ever argued about a book charging -120 for 6-point teasers? No.

[mathdotcom]

Well, I also might be a bit bitter as I've recently had a very important out taken away from me. That changes things dramatically for me offshore.

With some effort it can be replaced sir.

[raiders72001]

Vegas doesn't have systematically different limits for certain subsets of teasers. What part of illegal did you not understand?

Have I ever argued about a book charging -120 for 6-point teasers? No.

Is it illegal for lawyers and doctors to charge different rates to different people for the exact same service?

[MonkeyF0cker]

Is it illegal for lawyers and doctors charge different rates to different people for the exact same service? I'll help you out, No.

LMAO. Unbelievable. I don't care what doctors and lawyers can do. We're talking about what Vegas sportsbooks can do - BY LAW.

Seriously, get lost. Everything you post is absolute garbage.

[raiders72001]

Different jurisdictions have different rules. It's always been this way and always will. The world doesn't revolve around Vegas.

[MonkeyF0cker]

With some effort it can be replaced sir.

Yeah. Makes things much more complicated though and something that I haven't been able to reliably sort out yet.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Different jurisdictions have different rules. It's always been this way and always will. The world doesn't revolve around Vegas.

Not worth my time.

[raiders72001]

Vegas teasers were best long ago when a tie on either leg of a 2 teamer equaled a push. It didn't matter if the other leg won or lost.

[raiders72001]

While some books have GB at 7 - 7.5 Pinnacle is using teaser protection and has the line at 9.5.

[Inkwell77]

Vegas teasers were best long ago when a tie on either leg of a 2 teamer equaled a push. It didn't matter if the other leg won or lost.

uh... I'm pretty sure this is still how it is....
Or at least it was last year

[MonkeyF0cker]

Vegas teasers were best long ago when a tie on either leg of a 2 teamer equaled a push. It didn't matter if the other leg won or lost.

LMAO. Would you like me to post a current picture of a sportsbook's house rules for you?

Every. Single. Post. Absolute. Garbage.

[rumnblack]

Raiders is pretty entertaining but I fear he's about to be owned.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Raiders is pretty entertaining but I fear he's about to be owned.

If you mean entertaining in the "How is it possible for a human being to be that stupid?" sort of way, then I'd have to agree.

[Fishhead]

I know a lot of sharps play at both. Your buddy in vegas plays at Heritage and is good friends with the owner. You might of seen him on 60 Minutes? maybe youre sharper than him and have been kicked out of both???

They may not kick you out(but both have to quite a few), but they will lower your maximum wagers greatly, greatly diminishing their necessity for many HIGH rollers to bother playing with them.

Personally, I'm a MID roller and many of the limits at both places are now low even for my MID standards.

[raiders72001]

Raiders is pretty entertaining but I fear he's about to be owned.

MFer admitted across the street that he doesn't play teasers. He was lost talking about halftimes. He says BW doesn't play teasers and sharps don't buy points.

He wants to post rules that have nothing to do with the my post. Years ago before MFer was in Vegas, you got a push on 2 team 6 point teasers if one leg tied. Ask Justin, he knows this.

[Fishhead]

Speaking on Vegas NBA halftimes..................the Southpoint is very good joint for those seeking good value on HT's..................limits are 3-5k, depending on the game and circumstances.


As far as Vegas teasers, LVclub was once home to 6pt even money teasers.

Cantor currrently -110 on 6pt.......at Venetian yesterday, I attempted to wager 1650*1500 on a two-team teaser and was told I could only wager 990-900 and then bosses would have to decide if they wanted more.......placed the 990 wager and waited 3-4 minutes waiting for no reply and then wandered down the street to have a few beers with a group of Wisky gals.

[Winner_13]

Vegas doesn't have systematically different limits for certain subsets of teasers. What part of illegal did you not understand?

Have I ever argued about a book charging -120 for 6-point teasers? No.

See, this is what I dont understand,...I thought vegas does have different limits for people!!!

ex. krackman vrs. regular joe

walters vrs.mayweather

vegas does their own "risk aversion" but yet you do not consider them slimy?

[MonkeyF0cker]

MFer admitted across the street that he doesn't play teasers. He was lost talking about halftimes. He says BW doesn't play teasers and sharps don't buy points.

Repeating the same lies over and over again doesn't make them true. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, feel free. I'm starting to feel really sorry for you.

He wants to post rules that have nothing to do with the my post. Years ago before MFer was in Vegas, you got a push on 2 team 6 point teasers if one leg tied. Ask Justin, he knows this.

Are you saying that the rule doesn't exist today? LOL. If so, how much would you like to wager? Name your price.

[MonkeyF0cker]

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[raiders72001]

Repeating the same lies over and over again doesn't make them true. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, feel free. I'm starting to feel really sorry for you.



Are you saying that the rule doesn't exist today? LOL. If so, how much would you like to wager? Name your price.

I'll bet on any statement that I've made. You have said:

1) You don't play teasers
2)BW doesn't bet teasers
3) sharps don't buy points.

As far as teaser rules offshore, they are all over the place. Some books have 2 team 6 pt even. 3, 4, 5 team payouts are different at almost all books. One book tries to get you in with 2 teamers even and then posts horrible odds on 4 teamers and up. They are hoping that you'll play those instead of the 2 teamers.

A tie on one leg is also all over the place. There are great teaser bets offshore but you have to look around.

[raiders72001]

Fishhead- Any other books offer decent teaser odds in Vegas now?

[MonkeyF0cker]

I'll bet on any statement that I've made. You have said:

1) You don't play teasers
2)BW doesn't bet teasers
3) sharps don't buy points.

As far as teaser rules offshore, they are all over the place. Some books have 2 team 6 pt even. 3, 4, 5 team payouts are different at almost all books. One book tries to get you in with 2 teamers even and then posts horrible odds on 4 teamers and up. They are hoping that you'll play those instead of the 2 teamers.

A tie on one leg is also all over the place. There are great teaser bets offshore but you have to look around.

LMAO. Aww. Look at the little guy backtrack. Truly pathetic.

This is the third time in this thread alone that you've tried to claim that I've made statements that I did not. You can take any statement out of context and make it seem to mean something that it was not intended to mean, and I'm not having this conversation for 700th time. It's truly sad how you always scramble to this every time you're completely embarrassed. Unless you'd actually like to wager on the intimation that Vegas rules have overwhelmingly changed from no action on a push of either leg of a 6-point 2-team teaser, this conversation is over. Once again, name your price.

Love,

Non-teaser player who knows more about teasers than you

[raiders72001]

I'm not backtracking on anything. I'll bet $1000 on anything that I said. You want to bet on something that I never said. Stop already. Let's get back to the topic on hand.

[BAUS]

Raiders, did you ever return the 3 dimes you owed to Uncle B?

BAUS

[MonkeyF0cker]

Years ago before MFer was in Vegas, you got a push on 2 team 6 point teasers if one leg tied. Ask Justin, he knows this.

Would you like to wager that this rule is not in play in Vegas today? Yes or no.

[raiders72001]

Raiders, did you ever return the 3 dimes you owed to Uncle B?

BAUS

have no idea what you are talking about.

[raiders72001]

Would you like to wager that this rule is not in play in Vegas today? Yes or no.

I know for a fact that years ago you got a push if one leg tied. It didn't matter if the second leg won or lost. That's all I said. I loved Vegas teasers back then.

With this new offer, what's the bet? It's ambiguously worded. I'm not sure what side you are taking. We are talking 2 team 6 point NFL teasers.

[BAUS]

I heard a rumor in March of 2006 that you had not paid back the 3 dimes that you owed Uncle B.

Maybe I have it backwards and Uncle B actually owed Raiders 3 dimes...

Where is Uncle B these days?

BAUS

[raiders72001]

I heard a rumor in March of 2006 that you had not paid back the 3 dimes that you owed Uncle B.

Maybe I have it backwards and Uncle B actually owed Raiders 3 dimes...

Where is Uncle B these days?

BAUS

He still posts at OGD now and then. I wish he posted more. Funny guy.