Another A book that is only interested in square action

[raiders72001]

I believe they have to make each line publicly available first.

I don't remember the exact details but I wanted to make a bet at the Imperial Palace. I was the only one at the window and tried to make a bet. The clerk said one second and went in the back to get the manager. The manager told me that he would give me so much money at one price and then more at another price.

[MonkeyF0cker]

If they were going to leave the line at -120, I think it's legal. I don't know for certain though. I'll find out tomorrow.

[Inkwell77]

Yeah, it works like this I believe...

line is at team A +100. I want to bet $10,000. Book manager says no, we'll take $x on that. Then usually they move the line and allow you to bet more if you want. It usually is the same limit at both prices.

This happens with futures a bit, especially off prices. They'll take a couple hundred maybe on a long shot (200-1, 100-1) and then move the price (usually a ridiculous move that no one would ever bet). It's fukked but it is what it is.

[raiders72001]

Ages ago and I'm sketchy on the details and amounts but a guy was killing bases at the Barbary Coast. He would go there and try to bet $60k on a baseball game at -150. Manager would come out and say I'll give you $20k at -150, $20k at -160 and $20k at -170. I forget details but I do know he got 3 different prices.

[Trident]

Ages ago and I'm sketchy on the details and amounts but a guy was killing bases at the Barbary Coast. He would go there and try to bet $60k on a baseball game at -150. Manager would come out and say I'll give you $20k at -150, $20k at -160 and $20k at -170. I forget details but I do know he got 3 different prices.

Barbary Coast was the place to play MLB back in the day, might have been first book to offer reduced juice with 5 Cent lines on sides.

[Fishhead]

Ages ago and I'm sketchy on the details and amounts but a guy was killing bases at the Barbary Coast. He would go there and try to bet $60k on a baseball game at -150. Manager would come out and say I'll give you $20k at -150, $20k at -160 and $20k at -170. I forget details but I do know he got 3 different prices.

It depends on the establishment, who is working behind the counter, who the bettor is and so on and so on..............but some of what you have stated in this thread that you think occurs in Vegas does indeed happen in Vegas(rather ethical and/or within nevada gaming regulations or not), how frequently it happens would be a guess..............lots of places.

[Fishhead]

Barbary Coast was the place to play MLB back in the day, might have been first book to offer reduced juice with 5 Cent lines on sides.

I believe that would be correct.

At the time I worked as a supervisor at the old Sands, believe we were the first place to offer -108 on football in the city.

[Fishhead]

Ages ago and I'm sketchy on the details and amounts but a guy was killing bases at the Barbary Coast. He would go there and try to bet $60k on a baseball game at -150. Manager would come out and say I'll give you $20k at -150, $20k at -160 and $20k at -170. I forget details but I do know he got 3 different prices.

This is precisely what I meant when I said much depends on the establishment..........barbary was known to cut limits, whereas most joints would stick to their regular limits posted at all times.

Every place that I worked at was given the option to allow the player to wager up to 50% more than the posted limit..........so say we had a limit of 10,000 on a game, the player could definetly get down 10k and if he wanted more, it was than the decision for us to give the player anywhere from 100-5,000 more

[rumnblack]

I believe that would be correct.

At the time I worked as a supervisor at the old Sands, believe we were the first place to offer -108 on football in the city.

Fish, if you're a known sharp face, how easy is it to then use runners and spread 20K across 20 books? If those 20 went to a different book each time it would be virtually impossible to detect wouldn't it as long as everyone said nothing?

[Fishhead]

Fish, if you're a known sharp face, how easy is it to then use runners and spread 20K across 20 books? If those 20 went to a different book each time it would be virtually impossible to detect wouldn't it as long as everyone said nothing?

Yes, but we are talking lots of different scenarios here and discussing such things is difficult, especially for a writing challenged person like myself.

Remember, lots of books(one shop) have numerous venues(will hill, stations, cantor, mgm, etc., etc) and that is but one aspect to consider with your above theory.

[paco]

Welcome bak fish head

[Smoke]

All the dumpsters been raided

[andywend]

You're the only one that considers me an idiot, but you're the idiot. So, that's a pretty moot point. I love how you try to speak for other people when the only person that I've ever argued with over there is you.

Just because many people don't use accounts doesn't mean they aren't available, genius.

Raiders, I most definitely place MonkeyFocker in the IDIOT column and he is one of the most nasty, bitter individuals living on planet Earth.

MonkeyFocker and EmilyHaines have very similar personalities though Monkey is by far the more intelligent of the 2.

If I recall correctly, both of those clowns play a ton of poker and I am starting to notice a pattern of full time poker players being extremely bitter people.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Raiders, I most definitely place MonkeyFocker in the IDIOT column and he is one of the most nasty, bitter individuals living on planet Earth.

MonkeyFocker and EmilyHaines have very similar personalities though Monkey is by far the more intelligent of the 2.

If I recall correctly, both of those clowns play a ton of poker and I am starting to notice a pattern of full time poker players being extremely bitter people.

From the guy who said this...

I got an email from Mikewins.com and they are claiming they have gone 44-1 over their last 45 selections and all of them are regular -110 bets. I googled Mikewins.com scam and didn't come up with any hits but I also have a hard time believing the 44-1 record is even remotely possible.

Anyone deal with Mikewins.com that can attest to their 44-1 claimed elite pick record over the past 2 months?

FYI, the probability of going 44-1 with a 60% win expectation would be 0.0000000103945629881252% (1 in 9,620,414,068). At 50% expectation, the probability is 0.0000000000028421709430% (1 in 35,184,372,088,832).

Happy to clear that up for you, GENIUS. Or do you still need clarification? LMAO.

Have fun slumming in the promo forum, Richie Rich.

[raydog]

andywend...quite a big difference in a guy who plays live poker in vegas half the day (or used to) and a guy who makes posts crying about sbrpoker being rigged.

[raiders72001]

Raiders, I most definitely place MonkeyFocker in the IDIOT column and he is one of the most nasty, bitter individuals living on planet Earth.

MonkeyFocker and EmilyHaines have very similar personalities though Monkey is by far the more intelligent of the 2.

If I recall correctly, both of those clowns play a ton of poker and I am starting to notice a pattern of full time poker players being extremely bitter people.

Couldn't agree more and he brings that bitterness with him wherever he goes. He's the type of guy that walks into a room and sucks the air right out of it.

[Optional]

I saw a photo of Monkey recently. Quite a good looking lad.

[raiders72001]

Good stuff Fishhead. Be fun to hear more Vegas stories. How does it feel to be back there?

[Sam Odom]

Fishhead

[mathdotcom]

Speaking on Vegas NBA halftimes..................the Southpoint is very good joint for those seeking good value on HT's..................limits are 3-5k, depending on the game and circumstances.


As far as Vegas teasers, LVclub was once home to 6pt even money teasers.

Cantor currrently -110 on 6pt.......at Venetian yesterday, I attempted to wager 1650*1500 on a two-team teaser and was told I could only wager 990-900 and then bosses would have to decide if they wanted more.......placed the 990 wager and waited 3-4 minutes waiting for no reply and then wandered down the street to have a few beers with a group of Wisky gals.

Ooooh Cantor... hired a bunch of math whizzes... will take $1million on anything...oooooh scary scary

They're a pathetic and scared book like the rest

[mathdotcom]

Guys I'm about to release the coveted Cantor algorithm that is a closely held secret, stashed in the M vault surrounded by 24/7 armed personnel. If I disappear mysteriously after this post you know what happened.

Drumroll please....

If bettor is unknown to the book:
Cantor line = Pinnacle line + 5 cents juice
Cantor limits = (Pinnacle limits)/10

If bettor gets punched in the head for a living
Cantor line = Pinnacle line + 20 cents juice on the square side
Cantor limits = $5 million

[Fishhead]

Good stuff Fishhead. Be fun to hear more Vegas stories. How does it feel to be back there?

Feels great.....hope never to make the mistake of leaving for more than 6 months ever again.

Mathy, you will get a good dose of Cantor 12 days from now.

[Winner_13]

mathy if all they do is add juice on whatever the pinny side is, how do you expect or want to beat them? assuming theyl label u as a sharp?

why dont u just bet at pinnacle with less juice?

[mathdotcom]

Thats what I do

[raiders72001]

Guys I'm about to release the coveted Cantor algorithm that is a closely held secret, stashed in the M vault surrounded by 24/7 armed personnel. If I disappear mysteriously after this post you know what happened.

Drumroll please....

If bettor is unknown to the book:
Cantor line = Pinnacle line + 5 cents juice
Cantor limits = (Pinnacle limits)/10

If bettor gets punched in the head for a living
Cantor line = Pinnacle line + 20 cents juice on the square side
Cantor limits = $5 million

I believe what you say. Where can I follow the Cantor lines? I don't see Cantor or M on SO.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Ooooh Cantor... hired a bunch of math whizzes... will take $1million on anything...oooooh scary scary

They're a pathetic and scared book like the rest

On teasers? Yes. But who isn't? They'll book $55k on an NFL side or total to anyone sharp or square without batting an eyelash.

Like you were saying, it is pretty rare to find off market numbers at Cantor. It's a great out for an originator. +EV teasers are low hanging fruit that will get you flagged pretty quickly nearly everywhere these days though. That's a big reason why I don't play them with regularity.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I believe what you say. Where can I follow the Cantor lines? I don't see Cantor or M on SO.

Cantor's lines are off-screen.

[Fishhead]

On teasers? Yes. But who isn't? They'll book $55k on an NFL side or total to anyone sharp or square without batting an eyelash.

Like you were saying, it is pretty rare to find off market numbers at Cantor. It's a great out for an originator. +EV teasers are low hanging fruit that will get you flagged pretty quickly nearly everywhere these days though. That's a big reason why I don't play them with regularity.

This

[mathdotcom]

Give me deep enough pockets and I wouldn't bat an eye-lash at a 55k bet laid at a number no better than Pinnacle's either.

So what's so impressive? It only looks impressive compared to the pussy books who are just trying to charge squares more and shuddering at any sharp dropping 2k on the other side (Stations, Bodog, SIA, any Euro book).

I'd be impressed if Cantor lines actually had a significant opinion in them.

The real question is "Suppose Pinn/CRIS/Greek/5Dimes disappeared tomorrow -- does M still take a 55k NFL bet?" I doubt it. Since they're off screen, I don't know the answer, but I suspect they move off air with Pinnacle which as we all know any 5 year old could do.

If they're so sharp why are they even offering any low hanging fruit? The Vegas convention of -110 a side is quickly disappearing anyways.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Give me deep enough pockets and I wouldn't bat an eye-lash at a 55k bet laid at a number no better than Pinnacle's either.

So what's so impressive? It only looks impressive compared to the pussy books who are just trying to charge squares more and shuddering at any sharp dropping 2k on the other side (Stations, Bodog, SIA, any Euro book).

I wouldn't call them impressive. The reason they get so much publicity is because they aren't what so many other books have become lately (like the ones that you named).

I'd be impressed if Cantor lines actually had a significant opinion in them.

The real question is "Suppose Pinn/CRIS/Greek/5Dimes disappeared tomorrow -- does M still take a 55k NFL bet?" I doubt it. Since they're off screen, I don't know the answer, but I suspect they move off air with Pinnacle which as we all know any 5 year old could do.

I don't believe the M would change if Pinny et al. disappeared tomorrow. They're the type of company that would seize the opportunity. Do they move off of air? Certainly. Do they clone Pinny on every market and every move? No. Of course, I'd love it if they took $55k bets and dealt mostly opinionated lines in major markets. How sharp would that be though? The market moves the number. It's a bit difficult for a book with geographic restrictions to have more efficient action than a(n almost) worldwide book like Pinny. Much of the big money in American markets on Pinnacle are betting Cantor lines simultaneously anyway (at least prior to the bust) because they take the size they do.

If they're so sharp why are they even offering any low hanging fruit? The Vegas convention of -110 a side is quickly disappearing anyways.

They offer it to bring in action I would assume.

[Winner_13]

mathy, u said u wanted to play cantors off numbers?
how do they have off numbers when all they do is juice pinny's numbers?

[Fishhead]

mathy, u said u wanted to play cantors off numbers?
how do they have off numbers when all they do is juice pinny's numbers?

Read Monkey's post a few posts back..............................

[maxvalue1]

Fishhead or someone "in the know" , what would say is the going rate for a runner in LV for someone wanting to get down 5-10 dimes per game ?

[MonkeyF0cker]

What sport(s)?

Usually in the $800-$1k/week range.

Might change if they have to run to various casinos.

[JasonDC]

Your probably one of those guys that alerts the book when they have a line error. It's almost like you want the books to win. I guess I will just never get it. Tons of guys vote GOP every election even when these guys want to close down every betting site. Just makes no sense. Maybe the discussion should end here.

I vote GOP in every election..but it has nothing to do with my sports betting hobby..there are plenty of reasons i vote GOP but dont want to turn this in to a political thread.