Vice Presidential Debate In-Game-Thread

[infamousbacardi]

Regardless of smirks and laughter... Ryan was outclassed. I thought the most damning thing was when Ryan slammed the stimulus, and then Biden revealed how Ryan sent him 2 letters begging for stimulus money citing how it would help create jobs and growth in Wisconsin.

This was Biden's worst moment to me actually...and shame on you for not realizing it. Ryan's job as House member in WI is to get money for his area. That's what every house member is supposed to do in Washington. To bring that up in a debate and/or in public in general is entirely classless and low brow. Easily one of Biden's worst moments last night and if you didn't realize that then you're clueless.

[shari91]

shari , the problem with American Politics and I guess politics in general is the superficiality

Remember Dr Howard Dean ? The so called 'Dean Scream' killed him. He dropped like a rock in the polls & primaries after that

True but he was a presidential candidate and different segments of the media, including CNN, came out and apologised for taking it too far with that considering the circumstances around the 'scream' and how people in the audience said they didn't even know what had happened until they saw it on tv. And it didn't help when Grossman came out and said he'd work for someone else if Dean lost Wisconsin. I personally think he got beaten up pretty badly by the media and no amount of apologies could fix it. I just don't think the average person cares too much about the VP candidate. Sure if they do well and you're already a party supporter then you're happy but I can't see how that debate would push an independent off the fence no matter how they did last night.

[ProfaneReality]

This was Biden's worst moment to me actually...and shame on you for not realizing it. Ryan's job as House member in WI is to get money for his area. That's what every house member is supposed to do in Washington. To bring that up in a debate and/or in public in general is entirely classless and low brow. Easily one of Biden's worst moments last night and if you didn't realize that then you're clueless.

Give me a break. You advocate slamming the president, and trying to score politically, while behind closed doors you wait with your hand out ? Some people actually have principles. Clearly, you don't. Plenty of politicians who were opposed to the stimulus, refused the money.

[PhillyFlyers]

Mr 100 Ron Paul posts a day. Get with the program. Watching the games won't make them win. Watching the debates
makes you more informed.

I haven't posted in the political forum in I don't know how long.

Ron Paul was the right guy with all the right answers on how to fix this economy.

Watching these clowns debate ain't going to change the economic climate or anyone's personal financial situation.

Watching games that could make me money will.

[Boner_18]

Give me a break. You advocate slamming the president, and trying to score politically, while behind closed doors you wait with your hand out ? Some people actually have principles. Clearly, you don't. Plenty of politicians who were opposed to the stimulus, refused the money.

Who? Name one state where this holds true.

[ProfaneReality]

Who? Name one state where this holds true.

My state. Ohio. There was federal stimulus money set aside for high speed rail, and Kasich refused it and killed the project. Which was idiotic.

Would you like more? You only asked for one.

[PhillyFlyers]

This was Biden's worst moment to me actually...and shame on you for not realizing it. Ryan's job as House member in WI is to get money for his area. That's what every house member is supposed to do in Washington. To bring that up in a debate and/or in public in general is entirely classless and low brow. Easily one of Biden's worst moments last night and if you didn't realize that then you're clueless.

Well, to be fair, if this happened like Profane said it did I can understand his point.

How can Ryan slam a program he lobbied for on behalf of his state?

Makes him look like a total hypocrite (which he would be if it's true that he actually did ask for it).

This goes along with Romney's image as a huge hypocrite. The guy has taken every political position possible.

Just a few days ago, he made a statement saying he would not interfere with a woman's right to choose an abortion, then backtracked on it in the same statement.

You cannot get much more deviously underhanded than that.

[ProfaneReality]

Philly, the moderator specifically asked Ryan if it were true and he sheepishly admitted to it.

[oddtodd]

Ryan looked like a crazy person with strange grin staring at Biden the entire time. My girlfriend, previously mentioned he was good looking, and during the debate she coudn't even look at him as he looked "too creepy". ipso facto, Ryan has lost all his appeal to females .

[shari91]

Well, to be fair, if this happened like Profane said it did I can understand his point.

How can Ryan slam a program he lobbied for on behalf of his state?

Makes him look like a total hypocrite (which he would be if it's true that he actually did ask for it).

This goes along with Romney's image as a huge hypocrite. The guy has taken every political position possible.

Just a few days ago, he made a statement saying he would not interfere with a woman's right to choose an abortion, then backtracked on it in the same statement.

You cannot get much more deviously underhanded than that.

Apparently there were 4 letters in total although Ryan admitted to it anyway.

http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-ryan-stimulus-money-letters-2012-10

[PhillyFlyers]

Philly, the moderator specifically asked Ryan if it were true and he sheepishly admitted to it.

You're kidding.

The guy admitted to being a hypocrite on national tv, and no one in the media picked up on this?

This should be a topic of discussion everywhere.

[shari91]

You're kidding.

The guy admitted to being a hypocrite on national tv, and no one in the media picked up on this?

This should be a topic of discussion everywhere.

Yeah but like I said, it depends on where people choose to get their news from. "joe biden ryan letters stimulus" = 3,170 results, 6,972 news articles.

[PhillyFlyers]

Yeah but like I said, it depends on where people choose to get their news from. "joe biden ryan letters stimulus" = 3,170 results, 6,972 news articles.

Well, like I said, I did not watch the debate as there were too many games on last night and this was the first I've heard of it.

Also, I was switching back and forth between CNN and Fox News all morning and have not heard a single mention of this but in this thread.

[oddtodd]

Romney was on to something with his 47% comment. When it comes down to it. 70% pro lifers will vote for the Dems (and 100% of the ones for whom this is a major issue), 80% of recent immigrants will vote for the Dems because they are the far more worldly party (i.e. not as ego/americacentric), 85% of latinos will vote for them, 95% of the blacks, and 100% of the gays. The only people the Repubs have in the bag are the racists.

[PhillyFlyers]

Romney was on to something with his 47% comment. When it comes down to it. 70% pro lifers will vote for the Dems (and 100% of the ones for whom this is a major issue), 80% of recent immigrants will vote for the Dems because they are the far more worldly party (i.e. not as ego/americacentric), 85% of latinos will vote for them, 95% of the blacks, and 100% of the gays. The only people the Repubs have in the bag are the racists.

Not sure if I understand this post.

Are you saying racists are only Republicans?

Are you saying only Republicans can be/are racist?

[infamousbacardi]

My state. Ohio. There was federal stimulus money set aside for high speed rail, and Kasich refused it and killed the project. Which was idiotic.

Would you like more? You only asked for one.

High speed rail in this country is stupid. We don't have the dense populations as other countries who use the systems. Wisconsin had this same debate last year or the year before.

Ryan in Janesville in particular was facing a bunch of people in his constituency about to be laid off because of the GM plant in Janesville being closed. It's his job to send that letter (or two) to Biden to ask, "IF you are going to spend the stimulus money, then we need some here...." Ryan refusing the money would only seek to get him voted out of office....if he refused the money and every GM plant survived except for his, he would be villainized forever in Janesville. As it were, he requested the money and the plant STILL closed....so how did that work out?? Then Biden pulls this classless nonsense and calls him out on doing his job on national tv trying to get one over on him.

Again, if you don't realize what happened, you got fleeced too.

[Boner_18]

My state. Ohio. There was federal stimulus money set aside for high speed rail, and Kasich refused it and killed the project. Which was idiotic.

Would you like more? You only asked for one.

Ohio took no stimulus? You sure about that?

I didn't ask for a single instance of refused stimulus. If you want that Wisconsin rejected some too. Lets try to keep this apples to apples.

[shari91]

Well, like I said, I did not watch the debate as there were too many games on last night and this was the first I've heard of it.

Also, I was switching back and forth between CNN and Fox News all morning and have not heard a single mention of this but in this thread.

I wasn't directing my comment at you at all! It was more just a general statement of how I think the average person consumes/confuses what they see on tv as fact or the whole story when it's not always the case. Not just in the US but almost everywhere. That's why I always laugh when I see someone make the comment about how a non-American doesn't have the right to participate in a discussion about US politics... as ttwarrior did in this thread. Not only does what happens in the US affect many countries - as some overly patriotic Americans like to remind everyone - but often the people living outside of the US are getting more balanced news than what the MSM are reporting within the US itself. Same as how you'd receive more balanced info about Australia than I do living here now. It's scary actually.

[ProfaneReality]

Ohio took no stimulus? You sure about that?

I didn't ask for a single instance of refused stimulus. If you want that Wisconsin rejected some too. Lets try to keep this apples to apples.

Yes lets keep this apples to apples. I said politicians refused it. Maybe you have forgotten that a lot of new governors came into office in 2011. Yes Ohio received stimulus funds prior to Kasich. But when he took office, he refused anymore. He stuck to his principles, whether I agree with them or not, Mr. Ryan can't say the same

[infamousbacardi]

Yes lets keep this apples to apples. I said politicians refused it. Maybe you have forgotten that a lot of new governors came into office in 2011. Yes Ohio received stimulus funds prior to Kasich. But when he took office, he refused anymore. He stuck to his principles, whether I agree with them or not, Mr. Ryan can't say the same

Ryan was just doing his job and playing politician and Biden took a cheap shot at him on national tv for it. Again, it was low brow and void of class. Simple for anyone to see.

[oddtodd]

Not sure if I understand this post.

Are you saying racists are only Republicans?

Are you saying only Republicans can be/are racist?

99% of white racists vote republican. Minorities aren't really ever considered racist, just the way it is. Find me a white person that can be reasonably be construed as racist and votes democrat. It doesn't even have to be with Obama as prez, any time, any Dem.

[Boner_18]

Hah. Comparing a Gov accepting or rejecting stimulus funds to a Congressman championing a certain flow of stimulus funds is apples to apples. Okay guy.

[shari91]

High speed rail in this country is stupid. We don't have the dense populations as other countries who use the systems. Wisconsin had this same debate last year or the year before.

Ryan in Janesville in particular was facing a bunch of people in his constituency about to be laid off because of the GM plant in Janesville being closed. It's his job to send that letter (or two) to Biden to ask, "IF you are going to spend the stimulus money, then we need some here...." Ryan refusing the money would only seek to get him voted out of office....if he refused the money and every GM plant survived except for his, he would be villainized forever in Janesville. As it were, he requested the money and the plant STILL closed....so how did that work out?? Then Biden pulls this classless nonsense and calls him out on doing his job on national tv trying to get one over on him.

Again, if you don't realize what happened, you got fleeced too.

So if Ryan didn't ask for the money, he'd get voted out of office according to you. So when it was self-serving, he had no problem with the stimulus package. Now that it's self-serving to be on the opposite side, he does. This is exactly what makes him a hypocrite. Can't say I really fault the guy for asking for the cash if it meant trying to save his job. But it definitely wasn't his brightest move to trash the stimulus package in a nationally televised debate against the very person from whom you asked for the money. There is no way if the tables had been turned that Ryan wouldn't have thrown that in Biden's face either so let's not kid ourselves here.

[Boner_18]

Yes lets keep this apples to apples. I said politicians refused it. Maybe you have forgotten that a lot of new governors came into office in 2011. Yes Ohio received stimulus funds prior to Kasich. But when he took office, he refused anymore. He stuck to his principles, whether I agree with them or not, Mr. Ryan can't say the same

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/RecoveryData/Pages/RecipientReportedDataMap.aspx?stateCode=OH

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOOLO Tons after Kasich. What a fraud. Nice principals.

[infamousbacardi]

So if Ryan didn't ask for the money, he'd get voted out of office according to you. So when it was self-serving, he had no problem with the stimulus package. Now that it's self-serving to be on the opposite side, he does. This is exactly what makes him a hypocrite. Can't say I really fault the guy for asking for the cash if it meant trying to save his job. But it definitely wasn't his brightest move to trash the stimulus package in a nationally televised debate against the very person from whom you asked for the money. There is no way if the tables had been turned that Ryan wouldn't have thrown that in Biden's face either so let's not kid ourselves here.

Shari, you don't get it....THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM A POLITICIAN!!! Every member of the House of Reps would have done the same thing, every politician would have....a politicians goal ON EITHER SIDE of the aisle is re-election...

Just answer me this one simple question. The GM Janesville plant closed, fact. Let's say Ryan DIDN'T ask for the stimulus money for the GM plant and then said plant closes while Obama and Biden are yelling to everyone who will listen how they "saved GM and the auto-industry"...how would Ryan look now? They'd be blaming him for the closing of the plant!!! It's politics 101 Shari. Obvious.

[Sam Odom]

ObamaCo backtracking on Joe this Morning


Vice President Joseph R. Biden on Thursday seemed to open the door to adjusting President Obama’s tax increases to only apply to those making $1 million or more a year — a much higher threshold than the $250,000 level they had pushed previously.

But the Obama campaign said Friday that Mr. Biden was only “providing an illustration” of how the tax increase would be divided out and that the president sticks by his bigger tax-increase plan

[Boner_18]

Again, show me one politician that rejected stimulus in total. What state?

Wisconson rejected SOME and took SOME just like every other pol. Unless you can show me one state that this is untrue.

[King Mayan]

Eddie Munster is one funny motherfukeer.

[ProfaneReality]

Shari, you don't get it....THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM A POLITICIAN!!!

And that's admirable? or even justifiable ?

It's the height of hypocrisy. I guess you would defend the pro-life, pro-family Republican that encouraged his mistress to have an abortion. Hey, anyone in his position would do what he did.

[Sam Odom]

Mayan , dont you have some grass to cut this morning ?

[infamousbacardi]

And that's admirable? or even justifiable ?

It's the height of hypocrisy. I guess you would defend the pro-life, pro-family Republican that encouraged his mistress to have an abortion. Hey, anyone in his position would do what he did.

Don't hate the player, hate the game....EVERY POLITICIAN IN THAT SITUATION would have been required to ask for that money for the plant. And if they didn't, and that plant closed (like it actually did), they'd be blaming HIM today for the closing of the plant. Is that morally righteous?? It's offensive, but that's politics and that's the way the Democrats would be portraying Ryan today if he DIDN'T try and save that plant. He did his job, and he did what every politician in his position would have done...Democrat or Republican.

I'm a pro-CHOICE Republican, so you can take your moral high ground nit picking at one politician's acts nonsense to someone else. Republican and Democrat politicians on both sides of the aisle have done reprehensible things at every turn of the way in history. Nit picking at one and calling him a hypocrite doesn't help to prove your point, not even 1%.

[King Mayan]

Sammy no grass today.. Hire me yeah??? All those weeds/trash around your trailer park can be gone by noon today!

Eddie munster you funny fukk

Sammy you mad brah?

[Sam Odom]

ObamaCo backtracking on Joe this Morning


Vice President Joseph R. Biden on Thursday seemed to open the door to adjusting President Obama’s tax increases to only apply to those making $1 million or more a year — a much higher threshold than the $250,000 level they had pushed previously.

But the Obama campaign said Friday that Mr. Biden was only “providing an illustration” of how the tax increase would be divided out and that the president sticks by his bigger tax-increase plan

Say it aint so , Joe


Vice President Joe Biden claimed that the administration wasn't aware of requests for more security in Libya before the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi during Thursday night's debate, contradicting two State Department officials and the former head of diplomatic security in Libya.

"We weren't told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there," Biden said.

In fact, two security officials who worked for the State Department in Libya at the time testified Thursday that they repeatedly requested more security and two State Department officials admitted they had denied those requests.

[Sam Odom]

Sammy you mad brah?

my morning meds havent taken affect yet

[King Mayan]

Hey Sammy were you politicizing the 9/11 attacks, a month after the attacks??

Eddie Munster...