Nba road system 2010 - 11

[JW Cash]

Just to be clear...
Technically you could have a losing streak, but then win a few games with your labby and hit your profit target after 4 wins or so, even though your bankroll still shows an overall loss from the losing streak. Would you continue to use that labby until your bankroll recovered and showed the profit? Or just after your labby shows the profit target?

Thanks again JW your insight is appreciated

Not sure if I know what you mean here..........



When I hit the labby profit goal of $80.....that also means
by bankroll is increased by $80.......................

[playr101]

can Sac cover 1H...

lets hope so

GL

-playr101

[thelimit0310]

Not sure if I know what you mean here..........



When I hit the labby profit goal of $80.....that also means
by bankroll is increased by $80.......................

Not if you were on a losing streak. Let's say you had a $1000 bankroll, then you hit a losing streak, and your bankroll was at $800. For the sake of example, lets say your labby lines grew to this:

20-20-20-20
20-20-20-20
20-20-20-20

After clearing the first line you would hit the $80 profit goal, but your bankroll is only $880 at that point. So my question is, would you continue the same labby lines until you recovered plus your $80? Or would you scrap it at the point of hitting $880?

Thanks again!

[JW Cash]

Not if you were on a losing streak. Let's say you had a $1000 bankroll, then you hit a losing streak, and your bankroll was at $800. For the sake of example, lets say your labby lines grew to this:

20-20-20-20
20-20-20-20
20-20-20-20

After clearing the first line you would hit the $80 profit goal, but your bankroll is only $880 at that point. So my question is, would you continue the same labby lines until you recovered plus your $80? Or would you scrap it at the point of hitting $880?

Thanks again!

I have my labby lines set up with a balance.....


Say its $100 before I play a game...


Then if I lose 4 plays......my balance on that labby is $60....


I stay with that labby till I have a profit of $80....

So I dont start another labby till the balance on that labby is $180......

[bombCanada]

What people seem to be missing is that when you use Labouchere lines to manage your money, money management and wager sizing is now decoupled from the games and the series underway. if you start out with a bank of $1000, and your line is 25-25-25-25, you use that line (or the total number it represents) to size your bets. If you've done it right, when you clear the line, you'll now have $1100. Same thing would happen if you used 2 lines of 10-10-10-10-10 and 10-10-10-10-10, or 1 line of 20-20-20-20-20. The only difference among the 3 is how large your wagers are and how many it takes for you to get from 1000 to 1100.

While it's always good to learn, and it's never too late to learn, if you're just starting to follow this thread and it's this late in the season, then it's a lot late to be thinking about the money management aspect of this system. My guess is that for every follower who is not risking enough per bet, there are a dozen whose bet sizes are way too large. As JW Cash has pointed out repeatedly, in everything you do, your object must be to survive to wager again tomorrow. You'll be most successful with a lot of small wins, not a few big wins.

[thelimit0310]

I have my labby lines set up with a balance.....


Say its $100 before I play a game...


Then if I lose 4 plays......my balance on that labby is $60....


I stay with that labby till I have a profit of $80....

So I dont start another labby till the balance on that labby is $180......

Hmmm, I see.

I guess my only question left would be, if you set a balance per labby line (which I guess the balance would be the total of all the numbers on the labby?), what happens if you lose to where that balance is 0? Do you just restart the labby then as well because the numbers on it would be too high or the lines too long?

Thanks for clearing this up JW, I gave ya some points for your trouble.

[oklahoma]

so after covering 6 straight road halves, some against elite teams mind you. sacramento not only covers against dallas, they win the first half outright. please tell me im not the only that skipped this series.

[playr101]

damn.. ESPN.com has it tied at 43 with 3:25 to go.. is the half over?

-playr101

[playr101]

Thanks for the jinx

-playr101

[jas19illini]

so after covering 6 straight road halves, some against elite teams mind you. sacramento not only covers against dallas, they win the first half outright. please tell me im not the only that skipped this series.

I skipped it too, and on top of it I picked up the MIN series yesterday with game 2 (even though Solaman said it wasnt an official play) and lost both halves. Now have just 2 more halves to cover that series bet.

[thelimit0310]

I skipped it too, and on top of it I picked up the MIN series yesterday with game 2 (even though Solaman said it wasnt an official play) and lost both halves. Now have just 2 more halves to cover that series bet.

Why wasn't minny an off. play?

[oklahoma]

Thanks for the jinx

-playr101

my bad, i dont know what the hell i was reading earlier.

[jas19illini]

Why wasn't minny an off. play?

Bc Solaman accidentally overlooked it, so he just left it off the slate.

[leafsfan19]

what was the second half line on the sac game? I'm assuming they covered that considering they won the second half by 7?

[playr101]

was +1/2 2H

good win

-playr101

[on3]

yea, sacto was +.5 for the 2nd half, so they covered.

[marku]

good call, thank you, same today!

[SOLAMAN]

I wanted to double check to see if I overlooked the Minn road series or if I had a reason for not listing it.

I went back to check my notes on the Feb schedule and I did have the Minn series as a series in question. I had 5 series in question which was discussed in a previous post after I posted the Feb schedule. The 5 series in question were:

Mn road series starting 2/7
Dal road series starting 2/9
Lac road series starting 2/22
Ny road series starting 2/25
Hou road series starting 2/27

The question: would any of these road teams return home during the road trip. I put 3 of these 5 on the schedule and noted that 2 could be optional. I left off the hou and mn series because I believed that there would be a return to home during the road trip. Hou goes to NO before Por and Mn has 3 days between the Hou and Ind game.Lac last game is at Lal and noted that it could be optional since the game is in LA.

I noted in a post recently that all listed series will be in play.

[isg2010]

bumping from page 19

POR @ TOR (2/11), DET (2/13), MN (2/14)

SA @ WAS (2/12), NJ (2/14), CHI (2/17)

PHI @ MN (2/12), MEM (2/15), HOU (2/16)

DEN @ MEM (2/13), HOU (2/14), MIL (2/16)

MIA @ BOS (2/13), IND (2/15), TOR (2/16)

LAL @ ORL (2/13), CHA (2/14), CLE (2/16)

LAC @ OKC (2/22), NO (2/23), LAL (2/25)###

UT @ DAL (2/23), IND (2/25), DET (2/26)

SAC @ ORL (2/23), CHA (2/25), MEM (2/26)

BOS @ DEN (2/24), LAC (2/26), UT (2/28)

NY @ CLE (2/25), MIA (2/27), ORL (3/1)###

ATL @ GS (2/25), POR (2/27), DEN (2/28)

DAL @ WAS (2/26), TOR (2/27) PHI (3/1)

### optional series . These series could be
a no play.[/color]

[thelimit0310]

Is there a place to see whether they will return home? Or are you guessing? I would suspect anything less than 3 days means they wouldnt return home.

Anywhere we can check this?

[SkivChef]

Just wondering if i really have this labby figured out? I started labby on the minnesota series, they've lost 4 in a row. portland won on first half and sac on second. here's how my lines look: started with 20 20 20 20 now i'm at :

X X 20 X X 24 25 22 24
X 20 20 20 22 23 25 22 X
20 20 20 20 23 24

I do round up my numbers exp. 23.40 equals 24.
I feel like i'm never gonna catch up. Can someone confirm that i'm on the right track here.

[jas19illini]

Yeah i figured it was left off bc of a possible return home during the road trip.

[thelimit0310]

Just wondering if i really have this labby figured out? I started labby on the minnesota series, they've lost 4 in a row. portland won on first half and sac on second. here's how my lines look: started with 20 20 20 20 now i'm at :

X X 20 X X 24 25 22 24
X 20 20 20 22 23 25 22 X
20 20 20 20 23 24

I do round up my numbers exp. 23.40 equals 24.
I feel like i'm never gonna catch up. Can someone confirm that i'm on the right track here.

It is going to be somewhat difficult to decipher your own labby for you, but if portland covered on the first half I can tell you that there should be an X at the end of line 1 to reflect that. Also, what you could have done right from the start is take 50% of your lost bet, and leave that on the current line, then carry the other percent to the next line down. So for instance if your lines were 20, and you lost your first bet at 44 to win 40:

50% of 44 = 22
22/4 is 5.5
so add 5.5 to all the 20s on the first line, and do the same for the next line down. this makes your lines

25.5-25.5-25.5-25.5
25.5-25.5-25.5-25.5
20-20-20-20

Or if you want to bet less, you could have distributed the entire loss thru all 3 lines, dividing at 34% (33.33333 repeating). This would have added 3.75 to all your lines.

OR you could have created an entire new line and distributed that way.

OR you could have added another number to the first number line, and carried a portion of your losses to that number (and example for this is if you have 20-20-20-20 and lose 44 to win 40, instead of 20-20-20-20-44 you could have 20-20-20-20-22-22)

Your labbys can be ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO BE! Distribute however you like to keep your bets low thru the losses.

As JW Cash said, it's best to have a profit target in mind, once you reach that target, regardless of what the lines look like, you should abandon those lines and start new ones. So you could, if you wanted, throw all your losses on a new line and keep betting to win 40 as you have been, and soon as you hit your profit target abandon the lines. That would be inefficient, and it is much better to distribute your losses, but it just goes to prove a point that it's YOUR labby. You can do whatever you want with it, distribute however you like, create new lines at will, switch your betting sizes whenever you like, etc. So long as before you abandon your lines you achieve your set out profit goal (which in your case would be $160, or the equivalent to clearing a line twice).

In fact, it is encouraged to distribute the way I pointed it out, the entire point is to survive a losing streak, which by creating lines or distributing to help keep your bets low, shouldn't be a problem with your labby. Then, when you start to win again and cross out numbers you will start to recuperate. The point is, if the system you are following is a working system, you should be able to hit your profit goal EVENTUALLY, you just have to survive until then, which is why we distribute losses to keep bet sizes low. Once you hit that profit goal, you create entirely new lines.

As far as Solamans system goes, it has never experienced more than 2 losses a season, so keep that in mind, stop your bets from getting too out of control (even distributing can make the numbers large after a losing streak, and at that point it's best to create a 4th line and throw some cheddar on it, again, to distribute and lower bet sizes from getting too big) and know that you will win much more than you lose, its just surviving those loses that you need to distribute for.

Hope this helps and good luck

[SkivChef]

thanks limit, your post was very helpful. good luck to u too.

[SOLAMAN]

NBA ROAD SYSTEM
HALVES / ATS
STARTING 2/7
UPDATE THRU 2/9
NET UNITS +3.6

PLAN A : SINGLE PLAY OPTION (-110)

LINE 1 / 3 LINE LABBY / P1/P4
3. 02/11....2.2 - 2.2 - 4.4...............6.6 TO WIN 6.0 (por @ tor /1h)
2. 02/09.....2.2 - 2.2 .....................4.4 TO WIN 4.0 (dal @ sac / 1h).. LOSS /(-4.4 UNITS)
1. 02 /07....2.2 - 2.2 - 2.2 - 2.2 ...4.4 TO WIN 4.0 (chi @ por / 1h)...WIN / 4 UNITS

LINE 2 / 3 LINE LABBY / P2/P5
2. 02/11....2.2 - 2.2.......................4.4 TO WIN 4.0 (por @ tor /2h)? (if no 1h cover)
1. 02/09....2.2 - 2.2 . 2.2 - 2.2 .....4.4 TO WIN 4.0 (dal @ sac / 2h)..WIN / +4 UNITS

LINE 3 / 3 LINE LABBY / P3/P6
1. N/A

*P = PLAY OF SERIES

Comments: The above is an optional method and this is only one version of the labby with my attempt to adjust it to the road system. Because of the input of others I have decided to show a multiplay option on the same line as well for comparison and will reduce this option from two to one unit.

PLAN B : MULTIPLAY OPTION
NET UNITS +1.8

LINE 1 / 3 LINE LABBY / P1/P4
3. 02/11....1.1 - 1.1 - 2.2...............3..3 TO WIN 3.0 (por @ tor /1h)
2. 02/09.....1.1 - 1.1 .....................2.2 TO WIN 2.0 (dal @ sac / 1h).. LOSS /(-2.2 UNITS)
1. 02 /07....1.1 - 1.1 - 1.1 - 1.1 ...2.2 TO WIN 2.0 (chi @ por / 1h)...WIN / 2 UNITS

LINE 2 / 3 LINE LABBY / P2/P5
2. 02/11....1.1 - 1.1.......................2.2 TO WIN 2.0 (por @ tor /2h)? (if no 1h cover)
1. 02/09....1.1 - 1.1 . 1.1 - 1.1 .....2.2 TO WIN 2.0 (dal @ sac / 2h)..WIN / 2 UNITS

LINE 3 / 3 LINE LABBY / P3/P6
1. N/A

*P = PLAY OF SERIES

[SOLAMAN]

NBA ROAD SYSTEM UPDATE THRU 2/9
HALVES / ATS / 2010-11
SERIES RECORD 81 - 1
PENDING: 0

SUMMARY:

1ST PLAY OF SERIES.........55
2ND PLAY OF SERIES.........17
3RD PLAY OF SERIES.........7
4TH PLAY OF SERIES.........2
5TH PLAY OF SERIES.........0
6TH PLAY OF SERIES.........0
LOSS..............................1

*includes optional plays (18 - 0)

STD PROGRESSION / UNITS -3.55
LIMITED PROG / UNITS +37.65
LABBY (SINGLE) / UNITS ????
LABBY (MULTI) / UNITS ????
1ST HALF/GM1 ONLY/UNITS +25.30

[madmiek]

I think the original method is fine, IMO you can just skip series where the road team is hot, like the Dallas series and the N.O series earlier this year where they had won 8 in a row or just skip the ones you dont like for that matter and you should be fine.

[oklahoma]

Raps +1.5 - 105. bol tonight

[greally311]

soloman, hate to be a mooch, but do you have a spreadsheet of this backdated system....maybe not the full 8 (would be great if you did) but even some of the backdated system with teams and where each play ended. thanks

[playr101]

lets go TOR

-playr101

[jas19illini]

Lets go Toronto! I have Indiana tonight too bc i played game 2 of that MINN series. Wish me luck!

[SOLAMAN]

I think the original method is fine, IMO you can just skip series where the road team is hot, like the Dallas series and the N.O series earlier this year where they had won 8 in a row or just skip the ones you dont like for that matter and you should be fine.

The first few years I had a list of no play road teams. These teams were road warriors over the previous 2 seasons that push series deep on a regular basis. I usually had around 8 to 10 teams on this list and it could change from season to season and dallas was on that list every season. The last 2 seasons prior to this season, I used all road teams and it went well (125 - 1) and (127-1). The 2 losses, one was a 5 play loss and the other was a 6 play loss.

I will continue to give updates on all listed progression methods but I thought the labby method is worth a trial run. I will consider any progression method that can reduce risk.

[SOLAMAN]

soloman, hate to be a mooch, but do you have a spreadsheet of this backdated system....maybe not the full 8 (would be great if you did) but even some of the backdated system with teams and where each play ended. thanks

I have no spreadsheet and really going back more than 2 or 3 seasons is useless because the NBA has changed plus I have made adjustments to the system over the years. You can search the forum for some of this info of past records.

[oklahoma]

rudy fernandez putting on a clinic dear god. 6/6 behind the arc.

[jas19illini]

Sorry to spread my bad luck to you guys. Ever since i started this system it went downhill.