Originally posted by Kev the Brit
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thank you Kev you are the man u also get my point true we did lose but when u chase u just have to wait til more plays hit and go from there but when u 6 game chase vs. a 3 game chase the losses really f you up a lot worse and I proved it for example purposes by providing above in my post proper #s to back it up I dont know what the big damn deal here is sorry for you folks who dont get it or understand itComment -
ha well i didn't find my balls so I skipped the last game and licked my wounds from the first 4 losses
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No ones saying your numbers aren't right, people are criticizing because you weren't following proper money management. You shouldn't have jumped on board this system expecting it to be undefeated. Just because YOU didn't manage your money right doesn't mean working systems are losers. Systems and Money Management are two separate entities, and for a chase system your best bet is ALWAYS a labby line. I provided you with my labby numbers and they are true and show that you would still be in profit and will easily recoup this loss. However like I said earlier, even following this system traditionally or using Solamans lowered risk method, you will most likely still profit by seasons end. Which means your complaining about nothing.Originally posted by jmjjComment -
BOL on your plays todayComment -
We start another positive streak todayComment -
are there plays for today?Comment -
OK positive streak OKComment -
If this money management was followed we would not be having this conversation.Originally posted by JW CashNot if you use a 3 Line Labourchere....
Using a 3 Line Labby...you should make 100+ Units...
On Line 1........play Game 1 and Game 4
On Line 2........play Game 2 and Game 5
On Line 3........play Game 3 and Game 6
No Sweating the chase
No Stress.....
No Problems...
So easy.....a caveman can do it......
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How do you play the labby, if there are multiple games playing from a line at the same time?Comment -
I am going to briefly explain the Labby Method for all those looking for guidance
This is the way I usually handle my labby, feel free to tweak it, the thing about labby is it's very flexible and you can personalize it.
Bankroll: $1000
Take 5% of bankroll = $50
Divide by 2 = $25
Now we know to create our lines with 25s, so we create 3 lines.
25-25-25-25
25-25-25-25
25-25-25-25
3 lines because there are 3 games, 2 halves per line. Line 1 will be the Bet 1 and 4, Line 2 will be Bet 2 and 5, Line 4 is Bet 3 and 6.
When you place a bet, you add up the first and last number of the line you are on, since this is Bet 1, we will add up the first and last number of line 1, which equals 50. So, bet to WIN 50. If the bet clears, cross out the first and last number on the line, and your next series add up the remaining 2 numbers for your bet amount (again, equals 50). If you find your clearing line 1 a lot more than the other 2, then bring up some 25's from line 2 and 3 to to line 1 so you can add them together and cancel them out.
Your goal with the labby is to "clear lines". Once you've cleared 2 lines, you can recreate all 3 lines.
If you lose, you add your lost cash to your respective line. Then cut it in HALF and add the other half to the next line. For example, if we had lost Bet 1 (which was on Line 1), our lines would look like this:
25-25-25-25-27.5
25-25-25-25-27.5
25-25-25-25
We wanted to WIN 50, so we risked 55. We lost, so 55/2=27.5
This means when we move on to the next half, we also move on to our next line, Line 2 (because as stated earlier, Line 2 is for the 2nd and 5th Half in the series). This makes our 2nd Half bet to WIN 52.5. If this bet loses as well, we cut the number we risked in half (we risked 57.75, divided by 2 is 28.9) and add it to our Lines 2 and 3. Our line now looks like this:
25-25-25-25-27.5
25-25-25-25-27.5-28.9
25-25-25-25-28.9
If you lose your bet 3 (which is on line 3) you would divide your loss in half and put half on line 3 and the other on line 1. The lines may get daunting to clear after a loss, they will be pretty lengthy, but you can add up all the losing numbers (NOT the 25s, only losing bet numbers) and divide them by 12 (because there are 12 total numbers), this gives you a fresh set of 3 lines that when cleared will have recovered your loss and then some. Then, you recreate your lines.
The system is simple in theory, with chase systems, you are only going to lose about 2 games or so, but the losses are devastating. But because you chase you end up winning very close to every series. So, since the win rate is so high, you can afford to cut your lost bets into bits and place them on the labby line. This avoids chasing 1 series to a crazy amount, because the labby knows that there will be many more wins to recoup chunks of the losses instead of flat out betting a giant amount. In the end, this leads to having to risk less, and having a lost series cost you not nearly as much as chasing.
This method, while it takes time to get used to, is the BEST money management method for chase systems. This means that for the Dallas series just past, you would have lost only $353 instead of nuking your bankroll. This loss will take you roughly 5 games to recoup using the labby. Also by the time of this loss your profit margin would be so high that the loss only barely dipped into your profit, instead of devastating your entire bankroll.Comment -
So the play today is??Comment -
Thanks for explaining, but how do you calculate your bet size, if there are let's say two game 1's playing at the same time?Originally posted by thelimit0310Comment -
I'm not going to say i fully understand it but i appreciate you posting it for us
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If there are 2 games at the same time, you just bet the same amount for both games and tweak your lines afterwords. Let's say for example sake one wins and one loses. First factor in the winning game, your line looks like this:Originally posted by nomeansno
X-25-25-X
25-25-25-25
25-25-25-25
The X's mean I crossed out the 2 numbers I added together to create my bet size (25+25=$50 bet). Now, you factor in the losing game, we bet to WIN 50, we lost, so we put in 55. However like I said earlier, you cut your loss in half and carry the other half to the next line. So after factoring in the loss, our lines look like this:
X-25-25-27.5
25-25-25-25-27.5
25-25-25-25
Going into the next half for that game, you would go to Line 2. You add together the first and last numbers (25+27.5=52.5), and you bet to WIN that amount. If it loses, repeat the last step (divide by 2 and carry half down). If it wins, you cross out the numbers you added together, making your lines this:
X-25-25-27.5
X-25-25-25-X
25-25-25-25
Of course, if both the bets won, your Line 1 would be cleared (ie X-X-X-X) because you cross out all winning bets. At this point for your next Game 1 you could bring up some numbers from line 2 and 3, or just recreate your line with fresh 25's.Comment -
Can you clarify the part about dividing by 12 bc there are 12 numbers? Maybe use an example? Thanks.Comment -
On a fresh 3 line labby:Originally posted by jas19illini
25-25-25-25
25-25-25-25
25-25-25-25
There are 12 numbers total. That's why you divide by 12, your dividing into individual portions. If you were only using a 2 line labby, you would only divide by 8, because there are only 8 spots to fill. Get it?Comment -
And if there were 3 games at the same time and they all lost, Wud ur lines look like this?
Assuming ur unit size is 10....
10-10-10-10-33
10-10-10-10-33
10-10-10-10Comment -
CHI @ POR (2/7), UT (2/9), NO (2/12)
DAL @ SAC (2/9), DEN (2/10), HOU (2/12)
POR @ TOR (2/11), DET (2/13), MN (2/14)
SA @ WAS (2/12), NJ (2/14), CHI (2/17)
PHI @ MN (2/12), MEM (2/15), HOU (2/16)
DEN @ MEM (2/13), HOU (2/14), MIL (2/16)
MIA @ BOS (2/13), IND (2/15), TOR (2/16)
LAL @ ORL (2/13), CHA (2/14), CLE (2/16)
LAC @ OKC (2/22), NO (2/23), LAL (2/25)###
UT @ DAL (2/23), IND (2/25), DET (2/26)
SAC @ ORL (2/23), CHA (2/25), MEM (2/26)
BOS @ DEN (2/24), LAC (2/26), UT (2/28)
NY @ CLE (2/25), MIA (2/27), ORL (3/1)###
ATL @ GS (2/25), POR (2/27), DEN (2/28)
DAL @ WAS (2/26), TOR (2/27) PHI (3/1)
### optional series . These series could be
a no play.[/color]
current schedule so you dont have to look through the posts.
bet on portland tonight
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If there were 3 Game 1s and none of them covered:Originally posted by jas19illini
10-10-10-10-11-11-11
10-10-10-10-11-11-11
10-10-10-10
This means that for this system all games would go to the 2nd half, making your TO WIN bet $21 instead of $20. You would do this for all 3 games. The reason you don't add them all together like you did is because you would esentially place a $43 bet on only 1 of the games for the 2nd half, instead of spreading the risk around all 3 games (remember, if all games lost then all games would go to the 2nd half). At that point your pretty much chasing again, which is a bad idea. The point of the Labby is to spread the risk.Comment -
Thanks for explanation the of the Labby money management deal. The best explanation Ive read so far.
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hey bro now u are starting to make more sense with that post but u are still need to go back and re-read what I orginially wrote and u would be fineOriginally posted by thelimit0310
1. Im not down anything so dont assume that I havent been playing anything for real only paper playing it to see how good or bad it is considering this guys system keeps bleeding over to other forums where I do post regularly so I thought I'd find out what the hell the big hubbub was all about -)
2. the #'s I provided were as if I was playing it since day 1 of this season with let's say for ex. a 10g starting bankroll at -110 odds is like what around 1% roll fair starting point for any series or bet period across the board no?
3. yes I said if we go undefeated the rest of the way then sure yeah we'd be back up but the bottom line is and what I was trying to show and I gotta f ucking repeat myself b/c people cant read is if u were starting since day 1 of THIS SEASON you would have lost all of your profit and even been down some now after that series loss
and with probably around 30-50 so plays left then sure not a problem we can be back up if we go undefeated the rest of the way hopefully we can
and also people keep saying or you do bro at least that wasnt proper bankroll management in my example?
I guess u guys thought I was actually down real money? lol nooo not hardly I mean are u kidding? I wouldnt just start blindly betting a series from a guy who invented or says he invented it on a chat board w/o checking it out.......but anyway u guys have said I didnt use proper bankroll management use math and tabulate it for yourself I stayed wayy under the limit on a system like this b/c typically your starting A bet should be around 2-4% of your roll and...
I think that -110 odds on a 10g roll is wayyy under that parameter no? thats a little above 1% bet amnt on the A bet enough saidComment -
Awesome explanations, thanks a lot!Comment -
No problem and thanks for the points!Originally posted by racer43Thanks for explanation the of the Labby money management deal. The best explanation Ive read so far.Comment -
So if we win the first half tonight, then the next play on Wednesday wud come from line 1 or 2?Comment -
Line 1Originally posted by jas19illiniComment -
YEAH this system works you just need the right money management tools and be disciplined and not fall asleep during half time and miss your bets like me
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thanks for the explanation, i'm getting it. now~~Comment -
I am trying to follow this, so far you are doing great. Now, if in this example, all three bet 2's win, what does your labby look like for the next game 1, and how much are we betting that game 1. When does this labby go away, and a fresh one start, when every single number is gone. Basically what I am saying is, what if your first line, and possibly your secomd line, is gone. Does line 3 then become our bet 1, and add new 10 10 10 10 as our second and third lines, or what? Hope I didn't confuse you, I just confused me.Originally posted by thelimit0310Comment -
line 1 - halves 1&3Originally posted by jas19illini
line 2 - halves 2&5
line 3 - halves 3&6Comment -
When do we make up the loss monies that are still on line 2? Next time there is a bet 2 or 5, or do they get carried up to top, since you said we are playing line 1 again?Originally posted by oklahomaComment -
In the example you quoted if all 3 bets won on the 2nd half your lines would look like this:Originally posted by Wallco99
10-10-10-10-11-11-11
X-X-X-10-X-X-X
10-10-10-10
You can handle this a couple of ways:
This means the next bet would be on line 1, 10+11=21, you would bet to WIN $21. If this lost and went to the next bet on the next line, carry over half of the loss to line two, add that to the 10 that's left and bet to win that amount. When the second line is cleared you can move some numbers around from other lines to fill it back up.
Another method when your line looks as skewed as above is to do what I mentioned in the first post and add your losing numbers and divide by 12. We have 3 losing numbers in the above example; 11, 11, and another 11. Add them up, it equals to 33. Divide 33 by 12 and we get 2.75. So, create a fresh 3 line labby and add 2.75 to every number. This would be the end product:
12.75-12.75-12.75-12.75
12.75-12.75-12.75-12.75
12.75-12.75-12.75-12.75
Note that you will recover the 33 in losing numbers before you clear all those lines, because there were blank spots where 10s were missing that we filled in with 12.75. So if you want to switch up your labby line after recovery you can always reset the line to 10s after that point. This is simply to reset your skewed line while recovering your debt faster. Also, as long as the system your following is solid, having a skewed line is something that will only happen a few times per season. The ride is usually more comfortable than the above example. The great thing about labby is its highly customizable. There are many different ways to run it, and there are no walls, you can change it up to whatever whenever. It's a lot easier to understand when you have a balance going with it, and it does take some common sense/intuition. But once you get it, it's all smooth sailing
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This just keeps getting more confusing lol.Comment -
Shouldn't the twolves be in play? Just want to make sure I've understood correctly...Comment -
good question. why arent the twolves a series? as in..why arent we betting hornets 1st half tonight? twolves start a 3 game road trip tonight. and the first page rules state that if the series has only 3 games then you would still play all three.Originally posted by a.jeanjean
though theres another rule stating if a home team is favored by 5 or more the first game then the series is eliminated. hornets are currently at -4.5Comment -
must be an oversight by Solaman on his Feb sked. looks like it should be a play??
mn @ no (02/07), hou (02/08), ind (02/11)
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