Horse Racing questions and answers

[BOA12]

B12: That would be Laurel Park. It would be my pleasure if that occurred.

Ball is my court,

might drag J and the Chief of AC

2 split the gas 3ways - first leg of a possible

odyssey of 3.

It would be my pleasure to make that occur.

Tazmania out-law line;


30-1

[str]

Ball is my court,

might drag J and the Chief of AC

2 split the gas 3ways - first leg of a possible

odyssey of 3.

It would be my pleasure to make that occur.

Tazmania out-law line;


30-1

How about we split it 4 ways.

[BOA12]

How about we split it 4 ways.

MIA bound- GP or bust 4US.

4-horse lover brothers

on a quest like no others.

[BOA12]

Chief all in, road trip/poker game.

Can't justify one w/out the other.

[JBEX]

hey str

I think on paper white abarrio will be the speed in the big race but what good is it to have sovereignty sitting right off your flank .. how about throwing a bit of a curveball , take back after the break , "possibly" getting SOV to do something he's never done and wind up on the lead .. be the pressee vs being the pressed .. like to know what your thoughts are on the race besides
that

[JBEX]

I'd want at least 5-1 on white abarrio and think he will be higher than the 7-2 ml

[str]

hey str

I think on paper white abarrio will be the speed in the big race but what good is it to have sovereignty sitting right off your flank .. how about throwing a bit of a curveball , take back after the break , "possibly" getting SOV to do something he's never done and wind up on the lead .. be the pressee vs being the pressed .. like to know what your thoughts are on the race besides
that

So this would be a bet that is all about position and the clock. We've certainly seen that before. Pace makes the race, right? In a race like this, I would think that Mott would not want to be laying 2nd early. He would be most likely uncomfortable with that. Why? Because Mott is not running for today. Mott is running for the year. This is the 1st race. So IMO, it's a mindset. It's a build that starts today. That is certainly how I would look at it.
He wants Sov to break and find a stride. Breath and find a relaxed, comfortable position. Now that could be 2nd... but... Mott's main objective is not winning today, odd as that might sound. Does he want to? Of course. But his number one job is to map out a season for this horse. It is not to win at all costs today like there is no tomorrow. So all of this becomes a mental approach. I do hope that makes sense to fans who are anxious to see this race today. Mott is looking for RELAX AND BREATH. Settle and go when asked.

In the NFL, the objective is to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. Anyone remember the Seahawks first game of the season last year? I don't.
So admit it or not, like it or not, the mindset for a trainer HAS to be, the season. This might rub bettors the wrong way but it's the truth and the only practical way it can be professionally approached. And this happens every year. All the time. Please everyone, do not misconstrue what I say to be that the race if fixed, or someone might not be trying. That is ridiculous. But the honest reality is the season, not the day. I hope people can understand that.

So with all that said, in a race void of any true speed, if White Arbarrio breaks running, why NOT go to the lead? Nobody wants it. So sure, make the lead if it is available, slow down the pace and see what happens from the 3/8ths pole home. I also think 5-1 would be a solid play on price. Why? Because if that race on paper materializes, it seems too me that W. A. would likely win 2 out of 5 of those with a half mile in 48 and change relaxed and uncontested early. Maybe 2 1/2 times on average. So, 5-1 is value.

W. A. is running to make money. Period. So he is ready with nothing to lose and everything to gain. Sov. , Journalism are both getting their 4 yr. old campaign going. Neither horse should be geared up to the moon for today. It's a long season.
Either could win, heck why not? But the value is most likely in W.A. today. Of course, value doesn't pay the bills, winning does, . As long as the player approaches the race with those things in mind, they will be fine because they will have a true understanding of what they are watching.

Solid observation JBEX. It's always pretty cool when we all look at the same form and see things so differently. We see this the same.

Enjoy the race everyone. I'm off to Laurel for King T.'s celebration of life this morning at Laurel. I'll see the old crowd I assume. King was one of a kind. So glad I got to know him so well in his last years when we were not competing.

GL everyone.

[BOA12]

So this would be a bet that is all about position and the clock. We've certainly seen that before. Pace makes the race, right? In a race like this, I would think that Mott would not want to be laying 2nd early. He would be most likely uncomfortable with that. Why? Because Mott is not running for today. Mott is running for the year. This is the 1st race. So IMO, it's a mindset. It's a build that starts today. That is certainly how I would look at it.
He wants Sov to break and find a stride. Breath and find a relaxed, comfortable position. Now that could be 2nd... but... Mott's main objective is not winning today, odd as that might sound. Does he want to? Of course. But his number one job is to map out a season for this horse. It is not to win at all costs today like there is no tomorrow. So all of this becomes a mental approach. I do hope that makes sense to fans who are anxious to see this race today. Mott is looking for RELAX AND BREATH. Settle and go when asked.

In the NFL, the objective is to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. Anyone remember the Seahawks first game of the season last year? I don't.
So admit it or not, like it or not, the mindset for a trainer HAS to be, the season. This might rub bettors the wrong way but it's the truth and the only practical way it can be professionally approached. And this happens every year. All the time. Please everyone, do not misconstrue what I say to be that the race if fixed, or someone might not be trying. That is ridiculous. But the honest reality is the season, not the day. I hope people can understand that.

So with all that said, in a race void of any true speed, if White Arbarrio breaks running, why NOT go to the lead? Nobody wants it. So sure, make the lead if it is available, slow down the pace and see what happens from the 3/8ths pole home. I also think 5-1 would be a solid play on price. Why? Because if that race on paper materializes, it seems too me that W. A. would likely win 2 out of 5 of those with a half mile in 48 and change relaxed and uncontested early. Maybe 2 1/2 times on average. So, 5-1 is value.

W. A. is running to make money. Period. So he is ready with nothing to lose and everything to gain. Sov. , Journalism are both getting their 4 yr. old campaign going. Neither horse should be geared up to the moon for today. It's a long season.
Either could win, heck why not? But the value is most likely in W.A. today. Of course, value doesn't pay the bills, winning does, . As long as the player approaches the race with those things in mind, they will be fine because they will have a true understanding of what they are watching.

Solid observation JBEX. It's always pretty cool when we all look at the same form and see things so differently. We see this the same.

Enjoy the race everyone. I'm off to Laurel for King T.'s celebration of life this morning at Laurel. I'll see the old crowd I assume. King was one of a kind. So glad I got to know him so well in his last years when we were not competing.

GL everyone.

I never mind being 2nd best against the best.

What % of the purse for place if you know ?

[batt33]

Catching up on the threads! I've been dealing with the parents... Dad and I are good... He needs either 2 stents or open heart surgery... his choice... anyway taking a look at the Oaklawn race!

Just saw the Flight line colt when for 10.5 million at the OBS sale! Wholly smokes! Hopefully not another "green Monkey "for the buyers!

As far as my horses "closest to racing
Caldera ..My Kenttucky derby hopeful from last year... he has been training super well... looking for an allowance race... entered but races haven't been filling.

Caldera stretched his legs this morning at Palm Meadows through 3/8 in :36.95. He’s pretty much sitting on go at this point, so doesn’t need to do much as we wait for a race. The same race we were looking at as an extra is back in the new condition book for Apr. 30, so that will be the target for now.

Bacio ..The turf speed freak... is pointed to a race derby week at keenland
Bacio worked the bullet five furlongs yesterday(10days ago)at Keeneland in :59.80 and exited the move in good order. Trainer Wesley Ward has his sights set on an allowance race on Apr. 28 at Churchill Downs (Derby week) to start off your colt’s sophomore campaign. The hope is to use that race as a potential springboard to a trip to Royal Ascot if Bacio runs well and seems up to the task.

Nakoma Update



Nakoma has been entered again today in a new extra at Gulfstream going 5 1/2 furlongs on the Tapeta. If it goes today it’ll be for Apr. 24, but with it being an extra it could take longer than one day to fill. Note that our racing team will be traveling back from Ocala right around when tonight’s overnight is released, but we’ll be sure to provide more info as soon as we can if/when the race goes.

still have a few others getting back or winding up

Black Tie Optional Check In



We checked in on Black Tie Optional this morning at Los Alamitos. He’s looking good and likely two to three weeks or so away from returning to the work tab.

Your colt’s sire Not This Time was represented today by G1 Dubai World Cup hero Magnitude.

[JBEX]

I never mind being 2nd best against the best.

What % of the purse for place if you know ?

usually 20% and don't think it'd be any different here.. about a half million dollar difference winning vs 2nd

[BOA12]

usually 20% and don't think it'd be any different here.. about a half million dollar difference winning vs 2nd

Thanks J

buys a lot of hay.

I'm playing White Aborrio to " steal one " 2day.

[JBEX]

So this would be a bet that is all about position and the clock. We've certainly seen that before. Pace makes the race, right? In a race like this, I would think that Mott would not want to be laying 2nd early. He would be most likely uncomfortable with that. Why? Because Mott is not running for today. Mott is running for the year. This is the 1st race. So IMO, it's a mindset. It's a build that starts today. That is certainly how I would look at it.
He wants Sov to break and find a stride. Breath and find a relaxed, comfortable position. Now that could be 2nd... but... Mott's main objective is not winning today, odd as that might sound. Does he want to? Of course. But his number one job is to map out a season for this horse. It is not to win at all costs today like there is no tomorrow. So all of this becomes a mental approach. I do hope that makes sense to fans who are anxious to see this race today. Mott is looking for RELAX AND BREATH. Settle and go when asked.

In the NFL, the objective is to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. Anyone remember the Seahawks first game of the season last year? I don't.
So admit it or not, like it or not, the mindset for a trainer HAS to be, the season. This might rub bettors the wrong way but it's the truth and the only practical way it can be professionally approached. And this happens every year. All the time. Please everyone, do not misconstrue what I say to be that the race if fixed, or someone might not be trying. That is ridiculous. But the honest reality is the season, not the day. I hope people can understand that.

So with all that said, in a race void of any true speed, if White Arbarrio breaks running, why NOT go to the lead? Nobody wants it. So sure, make the lead if it is available, slow down the pace and see what happens from the 3/8ths pole home. I also think 5-1 would be a solid play on price. Why? Because if that race on paper materializes, it seems too me that W. A. would likely win 2 out of 5 of those with a half mile in 48 and change relaxed and uncontested early. Maybe 2 1/2 times on average. So, 5-1 is value.

W. A. is running to make money. Period. So he is ready with nothing to lose and everything to gain. Sov. , Journalism are both getting their 4 yr. old campaign going. Neither horse should be geared up to the moon for today. It's a long season.
Either could win, heck why not? But the value is most likely in W.A. today. Of course, value doesn't pay the bills, winning does, . As long as the player approaches the race with those things in mind, they will be fine because they will have a true understanding of what they are watching.

Solid observation JBEX. It's always pretty cool when we all look at the same form and see things so differently. We see this the same.

Enjoy the race everyone. I'm off to Laurel for King T.'s celebration of life this morning at Laurel. I'll see the old crowd I assume. King was one of a kind. So glad I got to know him so well in his last years when we were not competing.

GL everyone.

if that scenario materializes and SOV does not press WA (as you said) he could be on an easy lead with comfortable fractions
.. maybe the ml maker sees that and feels some of the bigger money flowing in will also .. I thought it was optimistic to make him 7-2 in here off what he's done recently.. possibly the idea might be if he goes off around that it's a good sign that he's supported well and ditch the 5-1 odds minimum..I think I I have changed my mind and if WA is ml or below he would be my play

obviously we can't forget journalism but have to think his connections will probably view this race the same way as SOV's and he would also be compromised by a slow pace

i agree that the connections of WA can go into this with an underdog mentality.. everything to gain and if they run 3rd or worse that's what was supposed to happen

have a good time at laurel str and appreciate your input on the race

[JBEX]

Thanks J

buys a lot of hay.

I'm playing White Aborrio to " steal one " 2day.

no problem boa .. I like the low ml combined with str's view of how the race might unfold ..but as mentioned I do want to see WA played at ML or below .. might consider 4-1 but 9-2 too much and would scare me away .. hopefully we're both on the winner

[JBEX]

I think sovereignty and journalism just found themselves on the front end in a small field where there was really not a consistent front running type.. white abarrio is not a speed horse but looked most likely of the 3 of them to be able to get the lead if he wanted it .. I don't know if being on lead and pressing the pace respectively confused SOV and JOU or WA is just that good .. probably a combination of both and a great race and win for the latter

[str]

What a dream come true for White Abarrio. He warmed up with the full intention of settling on the front end early. So much so that while the other horses were lining up and walking to the gate, WA was still jogging in figure 8's back and forth to the gate and back to the other horses. That got the other riders attention late in the post parade and it got into their head that W.A. would be gunning for the lead. They assumed they would need to break and go just enough so as to not allow a 25-50 first couple of fractions. So, the gate opens, both former 3 yr. olds pay strict attention to W.A. and decide they would try and put a little pressure on him so that 25-50 fraction split scenario does not happen. Then, Irad, seeing the other riders using their horses just enough to lean on W.A., pulls the plug and takes back. Whoops !!

Within the next 5 strides, the setup was so perfect for W.A. to stalk 3rd with a totally clean right eye, and simply wait to pounce as they turned for home. Both Sov. and Journalism found themselves in the classic fish out of water scenario. Both riders had to be sick going down the backside. Only one thing was left to happen. W.A. simply had to respond when Irad asked him. That's it. Nothing else.
And, he did. Both Sov. and Journalism were left out of lung capacity and totally out of their element the last 1/8th of a mile.
A not so surprising " Welcome to 4 years old and upward guys".

I have to think both trainers were sick going into the 1st turn. I know I would have been. The 7 yr., old with a race under his belt who has won a BC Classic and 7+ Million gets the catbird seat against two just turned 4 yr. olds that have not run in months after a hard fought 3yr. old campaigns.

For those that played W.A., it really doesn't get much more fun than that. Wow !

[JBEX]

would you say str that saffie joseph and irad were thinking things might unfold like this especially given the way irad warmed WA up prior to the race
.. have to think they were not totally surprised that they might wind up with the stalking trip

[BOA12]

What a dream come true for White Abarrio. He warmed up with the full intention of settling on the front end early. So much so that while the other horses were lining up and walking to the gate, WA was still jogging in figure 8's back and forth to the gate and back to the other horses. That got the other riders attention late in the post parade and it got into their head that W.A. would be gunning for the lead. They assumed they would need to break and go just enough so as to not allow a 25-50 first couple of fractions. So, the gate opens, both former 3 yr. olds pay strict attention to W.A. and decide they would try and put a little pressure on him so that 25-50 fraction split scenario does not happen. Then, Irad, seeing the other riders using their horses just enough to lean on W.A., pulls the plug and takes back. Whoops !!

Within the next 5 strides, the setup was so perfect for W.A. to stalk 3rd with a totally clean right eye, and simply wait to pounce as they turned for home. Both Sov. and Journalism found themselves in the classic fish out of water scenario. Both riders had to be sick going down the backside. Only one thing was left to happen. W.A. simply had to respond when Irad asked him. That's it. Nothing else.
And, he did. Both Sov. and Journalism were left out of lung capacity and totally out of their element the last 1/8th of a mile.
A not so surprising " Welcome to 4 years old and upward guys".

I have to think both trainers were sick going into the 1st turn. I know I would have been. The 7 yr., old with a race under his belt who has won a BC Classic and 7+ Million gets the catbird seat against two just turned 4 yr. olds that have not run in months after a hard fought 3yr. old campaigns.

For those that played W.A., it really doesn't get much more fun than that. Wow !

Did play in the setting sun

and attest it was fun.

[JBEX]

hey str

I think on paper white abarrio will be the speed in the big race but what good is it to have sovereignty sitting right off your flank .. how about throwing a bit of a curveball , take back after the break , "possibly" getting SOV to do something he's never done and wind up on the lead .. be the pressee vs being the pressed .. like to know what your thoughts are on the race besides
that

I don't consider this to be what happened as they were all aggressively sent to the lead.. wound up being that pace scenario though

[batt33]

Thanks J

buys a lot of hay.

I'm playing White Aborrio to " steal one " 2day.

Nice call!

[batt33]

hey str

I think on paper white abarrio will be the speed in the big race but what good is it to have sovereignty sitting right off your flank .. how about throwing a bit of a curveball , take back after the break , "possibly" getting SOV to do something he's never done and wind up on the lead .. be the pressee vs being the pressed .. like to know what your thoughts are on the race besides
that

Pretty interesting to read the Jockey's comments after he race. Irad thought he would be on the lead but couldn't get there in the beginning so sat back. Sovereignty was feeling his oats and Alvarado just let him go.. rather than fight him... Jose didn't want to let Sovereignty get away so he pressed him allowing his brother to set in the cat birds seat.

[JBEX]

Pretty interesting to read the Jockey's comments after he race. Irad thought he would be on the lead but couldn't get there in the beginning so sat back. Sovereignty was feeling his oats and Alvarado just let him go.. rather than fight him... Jose didn't want to let Sovereignty get away so he pressed him allowing his brother to set in the cat birds seat.

both SOV and JOU had been relatively close to some very honest paces in their last few races so I don't think it was a shocker they were able to get the lead in that race .. not their regular running style but WA not really a committed front runner either .. not what I thought would happen though

[BOA12]

Nice call!

His race to win or lose, catch me if you can.

Last chance to go against Sovrghnty.

Stopped a sorry Saturday at Lexington

and bailed me out.

[JBEX]

couple of army mules breaking side by side at horseshoe indy R8 on tuesday .. it's a 3 up statebred msw @ 5.5f

7 army fever (12-1)
8 honorabledischarge (8-1)

[str]

would you say str that saffie joseph and irad were thinking things might unfold like this especially given the way irad warmed WA up prior to the race
.. have to think they were not totally surprised that they might wind up with the stalking trip

WA was prepared for either scenario. They went 23 1/5th early. Irad is tremendous! He can feel the time like the good ones can. Not that the others didn’t but this is about mindset. Sov came out running and the rider lightly brushed the stick on his right shoulder up and down a couple times. Being so fresh, that’s all it took. He was committed to attending the pace. Journalism was committed to staying close to Sov. So what’s that allow Irad to do? It lets him tap the breaks once both cannot un commit , so he taps the brakes on an old war horse, sits 3rd to two horses both in a strange place, they continue to worry about each other, and WA chills off the duel, and goes right on by being the fittest of the three.
That was a master class ! Just great. And honestly, WA was a clear winner as they went down the backside. I’ll give the other two credit for finishing as well as they did.
I would expect Sov. To relax more next out and get back to his normal business. I would expect Journalism to avoid both Sovereignty next out and focus on his business and WA? He can just keep being himself but do be aware of him being over bet next out. Can’t imagine any value in his next race except trying to beat him.
Glad some tickets were cashed. That was fun.

[str]

I don't consider this to be what happened as they were all aggressively sent to the lead.. wound up being that pace scenario though

W A was always where he was on his own due to the extensive warm up. So getting him to chill was pretty easy with all his experience. The other two were lightly somewhat but still, they were asked to attend up front early and you just cant do that on an inexperienced horse like those two and change it up. Inexperienced on the lead that is.

[str]

Nice call!

He absolutely stole one B12. Just not the conventional way but that was brilliant IMO.
I be love seeing that stuff.

[str]

Pretty interesting to read the Jockey's comments after he race. Irad thought he would be on the lead but couldn't get there in the beginning so sat back. Sovereignty was feeling his oats and Alvarado just let him go.. rather than fight him... Jose didn't want to let Sovereignty get away so he pressed him allowing his brother to set in the cat birds seat.

Didn’t see the comments but I know what I saw. So cool to see.

[str]

Catching up on the threads! I've been dealing with the parents... Dad and I are good... He needs either 2 stents or open heart surgery... his choice... anyway taking a look at the Oaklawn race!

Just saw the Flight line colt when for 10.5 million at the OBS sale! Wholly smokes! Hopefully not another "green Monkey "for the buyers!

As far as my horses "closest to racing
Caldera ..My Kenttucky derby hopeful from last year... he has been training super well... looking for an allowance race... entered but races haven't been filling.

Caldera stretched his legs this morning at Palm Meadows through 3/8 in :36.95. He’s pretty much sitting on go at this point, so doesn’t need to do much as we wait for a race. The same race we were looking at as an extra is back in the new condition book for Apr. 30, so that will be the target for now.

Bacio ..The turf speed freak... is pointed to a race derby week at keenland
Bacio worked the bullet five furlongs yesterday(10days ago)at Keeneland in :59.80 and exited the move in good order. Trainer Wesley Ward has his sights set on an allowance race on Apr. 28 at Churchill Downs (Derby week) to start off your colt’s sophomore campaign. The hope is to use that race as a potential springboard to a trip to Royal Ascot if Bacio runs well and seems up to the task.

Nakoma Update



Nakoma has been entered again today in a new extra at Gulfstream going 5 1/2 furlongs on the Tapeta. If it goes today it’ll be for Apr. 24, but with it being an extra it could take longer than one day to fill. Note that our racing team will be traveling back from Ocala right around when tonight’s overnight is released, but we’ll be sure to provide more info as soon as we can if/when the race goes.

still have a few others getting back or winding up

Black Tie Optional Check In



We checked in on Black Tie Optional this morning at Los Alamitos. He’s looking good and likely two to three weeks or so away from returning to the work tab.

Your colt’s sire Not This Time was represented today by G1 Dubai World Cup hero Magnitude.

Batt, he keeps changing ever so slightly like they do sometimes. All for the better. No more butter ball . He looks GREAT. Love this horse.

[JBEX]

WA was prepared for either scenario. They went 23 1/5th early. Irad is tremendous! He can feel the time like the good ones can. Not that the others didn’t but this is about mindset. Sov came out running and the rider lightly brushed the stick on his right shoulder up and down a couple times. Being so fresh, that’s all it took. He was committed to attending the pace. Journalism was committed to staying close to Sov. So what’s that allow Irad to do? It lets him tap the breaks once both cannot un commit , so he taps the brakes on an old war horse, sits 3rd to two horses both in a strange place, they continue to worry about each other, and WA chills off the duel, and goes right on by being the fittest of the three.
That was a master class ! Just great. And honestly, WA was a clear winner as they went down the backside. I’ll give the other two credit for finishing as well as they did.
I would expect Sov. To relax more next out and get back to his normal business. I would expect Journalism to avoid both Sovereignty next out and focus on his business and WA? He can just keep being himself but do be aware of him being over bet next out. Can’t imagine any value in his next race except trying to beat him.
Glad some tickets were cashed. That was fun.

it's interesting that as much as they both accomplished in their 3yo seasons there's still things that can be learned by them as 4 year olds .. I guess by 5 with a reasonable amount of races most will have developed the racetrack savvy they'll need to handle a lot of adverse situations .. be great if these 2 hung around for a 5yo campaign but doubt that will happen with all the stallion money in front of them .. possibly the middle east race $$ might make the connections think twice about early retirement .. sure they'll both improve going forward with this experience in them

I agree white abarrio will be an underlay next out .. serious beyer (111) for the race so both SOV and JOU also had big figures.. think off that race JOU might be an interesting candidate for the met mile on the belmont stakes undercard at saratoga .. one way to probably not meet up with SOV next out.. whatever path these 3 decide to go the big races over the summer will be a lot of fun to watch

[JBEX]

looking at JOU pp's from the oaklawn handicap , imo looks like a mile might be a good fit for him

[str]

Remember how Kingsbarns just kind of learned to relax and be just different enough to be better? Think he was in his mid 4 yr. old season when he turned the corner. That is typically when it happens. So I think you look back at the race last Saturday and compare it to a race they run this August or Sept. and you will see a different animal running. Their brains will be much more full of knowledge. Just another reason to not try and do too much in a first start back off the 3 yr. old year. Constantly try and build upwards. You don't want to have to stop climbing and address something that happened last race if you can help it. Now, both of those horses need to do that. Another reason why to avoid one another, especially Journalism.

[JBEX]

Remember how Kingsbarns just kind of learned to relax and be just different enough to be better? Think he was in his mid 4 yr. old season when he turned the corner. That is typically when it happens. So I think you look back at the race last Saturday and compare it to a race they run this August or Sept. and you will see a different animal running. Their brains will be much more full of knowledge. Just another reason to not try and do too much in a first start back off the 3 yr. old year. Constantly try and build upwards. You don't want to have to stop climbing and address something that happened last race if you can help it. Now, both of those horses need to do that. Another reason why to avoid one another, especially Journalism.

makes sense what your saying that at this stage they're kind of learning on the fly and you're not looking to take a lot of time to correct things .. nice luxury KB had was he got to start out in an allowance race but he was also much less accomplished for the start of his 4yo season then these two were .. ran a very professional race at 7f and that probably set him up nicely for the 3 solid stakes efforts afterwards .. definitely was a more professional and polished horse than he was as a 3yo .. shame he couldn't have continued on and have a shot at the breeders cup

[JBEX]

couple of army mules breaking side by side at horseshoe indy R8 on tuesday .. it's a 3 up statebred msw @ 5.5f

7 army fever (12-1)
8 honorabledischarge (8-1)

they finished 1st and 2nd .. 87 exacta pd $45.20 and they were 7-2 and 4-1 in that order

[batt33]

they finished 1st and 2nd .. 87 exacta pd $45.20 and they were 7-2 and 4-1 in that order

awe geez I meant to look at that... Hope you had it!!

Dad had a stent put in "95% blockage" I was a little sidetracked... He is home and doing well!

[JBEX]

awe geez I meant to look at that... Hope you had it!!

Dad had a stent put in "95% blockage" I was a little sidetracked... He is home and doing well!

98+% of the time (including this) I'm not playing these batt .. daily picks , army mule progeny , horse follows (kingsbarns,deterministic) , future bets .. I've been upfront about this on here over the years .. honestly it doesn't even sting a little when things hit .. broken in well lol


glad your dad is OK